the BET....flat bet system thats so far winning for me

[Nickmsi]

Marivo . . .

My calculations for the 57 unit profit was 20 units profit on the dominant color bet (4/6) and 37 units on the basic bet of this system. 

Hope this clarifies your question.

[marivo]

Thank you.

When we are speaking about this ec bets I (still) cant see reason why it would be more profitable if we track this bets together with doc/col bets instead of just tracking dominant (let say last 5 spins) ec bets alone? Do we stop tracking ec bets if we don't have doz/col bet (in case there is aa bb cc) and we don't bet anything? You think this could be an advantage?

[Nickmsi]

"When we are speaking about this ec bets I (still) can't see reason why it would be more profitable if we track this bets together with doc/col bets instead of just tracking dominant (let say last 5 spins) ec bets alone?"

I agree.  I am not a mathematician or statistician so can't tell if there is any correlation between the EC bets and the Doz/Colmn bets.  I don't think there is.

However, I do believe that perhaps they are synergistic, meaning that two or more systems functioning together can produce a result not independently obtainable.

It's too early in the testing of these two systems working together to know if there is truly some synergy or not.

Time will tell.

Nick

[Paja]

hi paja...lots of time study just like yourself is how i came to the conclusion of this bet...as for consistant i think its proving its self at the moment flat betting...so i think it is..

i know i am missing betting opportunities but that is becouse of lots of testing on my part as i devised the best way to play it..its not in my opinion to be taken lightly the way its played...

the 3rd and 5th bet and rules of play are what makes it work, iv,e tried so many combinations but the simple matter is this was the only way forward for it to recover losses flat betting..

why it works i think is becouse of the random cycle going around and around we are on it either when the drawdown is happening but sticking on the drawdown cycle eventually goes to the upward cycle thus getting off when in profit...a lot of times you do hit the upward cycle putting you in plus pretty quickly...either way its working

I'm glad iv,e given you inspiration and i,ll look forward to reading your systems or ideas too but you need to try without progression if you can ..it makes it more appealing and relaxing in my book...

I understand. I wasn't paying enough attention that it was matrix based concept you were referring to. I am not very familiar with it but i realise it's one of ways for tracking the spins thus reading random. As i see it width of matrix depends on number of spins in which something happens in most cases and there is great ways for tracking vertical results but i won't guess because it's something i should find out on my own.   

Many great players on this forum are using different language to say the same things and it's up to member to find one language he understands best.

I'll keep it as flat as possible!  No progression can win a game on it's own, only maximize profit of good bet selection but let's leave that for some other time.

[Paja]

I agree.  I am not a mathematician or statistician so can't tell if there is any correlation between the EC bets and the Doz/Colmn bets.  I don't think there is.

However, I do believe that perhaps they are synergistic, meaning that two or more systems functioning together can produce a result not independently obtainable.

It's too early in the testing of these two systems working together to know if there is truly some synergy or not.

Time will tell.

Nick

What about the fact that:

column B has 8 BLACK and 4 RED numbers
column C has 8 RED and 4 BLACK numbers  ?

Can we somehow make this bet to be only outside bet?

[warrior]

I understand. I wasn't paying enough attention that it was matrix based concept you were referring to. I am not very familiar with it but i realise it's one of ways for tracking the spins thus reading random. As i see it width of matrix depends on number of spins in which something happens in most cases and there is great ways for tracking vertical results but i won't guess because it's something i should find out on my own.   

Many great players on this forum are using different language to say the same things and it's up to member to find one language he understands best.

I'll keep it as flat as possible!  No progression can win a game on it's own, only maximize profit of good bet selection but let's leave that for some other time.

Ask yourself one ?are you prepared to sit at the table flat betting for 600 spins when your losing your money and your so in a draw down ,try this at a real casino and or even online 99% people will get so bored they will stop playing.and if you do win really how much profit for the time you spend in the casino.

[6th-sense]

nicely put paja...its took me a long time to make this bet happen but there are lots of interesting stuff in vertical results..especially diaganally...only when you break the table itself down..which for me is 9 movements...learn what you need to learn which is pretty much everything you can and look at other options..synergie is a good word to use i like that...
some systems or ideas cut and cropped together make a total difference when you are stuck.
not every spin has to be played just becouse its there...my system is safe and seems to be working but cannot be progressed on...does this make it a failure..NO..it makes it a sensible choice and a base for people to be inspired from to see if they cut and crop it for their own ideas...i think your going to do ok and i,m looking forward to reading anything you deem interesting to post...

yep warrior you are totally right 600 spins or 800 spins is a long time thats why i,ve asked vls to make a bot..most of the time you are in plus early the main point is that this flat bet recovers its losses..thats the basis of it..trying to link an ec to it is to make more stable ..the most up to now is 180 units down which with 10 units a bet is how many bets??? not too many and it pulls back through..quite agree with you and it works ok but if the ec can help it will be a shorter cycle to hit profit...with no progression..

[Paja]

Ask yourself one ?are you prepared to sit at the table flat betting for 600 spins when your losing your money and your so in a draw down ,try this at a real casino and or even online 99% people will get so bored they will stop playing.and if you do win really how much profit for the time you spend in the casino.

I'm not that hungry to eat half-baked cookie but there are people who can't fight the urge to go out and play in a casino every single day. This (and few other bets on this forum) are just the thing to stop them losing money. Making this bet more stable is the thing we are trying to do in this thread.

[6th-sense]

I'm not that hungry to eat half-baked cookie ......like this saying its nearly as good as one other on this forum which was ...i feel like a martian talking to a peanut....that had me giggling for months....
warrior is quite right paja...he,s not lying just telling the truth...thats why an ec to improve profits quicker is the key...i also think that with a proven flat bet your base unit can be as high as you like...this is the difference between progrssion and flat betting..
as warrior said would it be worth it...players on here progress ridicolous amounts to win 1 unit and chase losses...there unit is only 10p or a pound...your flat bet could be worth 10 x that and make 20 units a day......i,m sure everyone would choose the safer and less stressfull option..

[Nickmsi]

"What about the fact that:

column B has 8 BLACK and 4 RED numbers
column C has 8 RED and 4 BLACK numbers  ?

Can we somehow make this bet to be only outside bet?"

paja . . . I completely forgot about this correlation.  That's what I like about sharing ideas on the forum, you get many minds with many different ideas and points of views.

Will test some possibilities and see if any difference.

Thanks

Nick
   

[Paja]

So i did a little testing with this bet supported with betting on R/B.

I played by strict rules of 3rd and 5th spin in 5x20 matrix for every 100 spin session.

1st variation:


When trigger for A - same as basic bet A with no colors.
When trigger for B - same as basic bet B   10 units on BLACK
When trigger for C - same as basic bet C   10 units on RED


Idea was to strengthen the wins and weak the losses according to color difference in columns B and C.

Results:

32
10
6
-120
80
-62
20
-88
30
-52


Total -144 units in 10x100 spins sessions. 6 won, 4 lost sessions.

Maximum drawdown in one session -126 units.
Max. up  80 units.

Now I'm testing the opposite bet.

[6th-sense]

good testing paja ....my test going with the colour in front of me ie the run seems to be working a lot better...the trouble with the way you are doing it in my mind is that you are chasing the dominant colour in the columns not the colour thats flowing at the time of the game in play...i,m looking whats happening at the time...
there are lots of oddities as you have pointed out but its gameplay at the time we should be concerened about..
another oddity not mentioned on the forum is that all the numbers in doz1 have there own reference number in the same columns through the other dozens lets give a quick reference ie ac  numbers 3 red 6 black 9 red 12 red...these are all in our ref ac....look up the numbers in the rest of column at bc,cc... 15 black numbers added together=6 black..18 red numbers added together =9 red...21 red numbers added together =3 red...24 black numbers added together =6 black..27 red numbers added together =9 red...30 red numbers added together =3 red...33 black numbers added together = 6 black,....36 red numbers added together= 9 red......all except number 12 has a partner why?
same for every column number refering back to doz1 every number that is except 19 red.....
why?.......and number 1 red no partner ?

[Nickmsi]

I too tested the basic "A Bet" without any colors, the "B Bet" with 10 units on Red, and the "C Bet" with 10 units on Black.

My results were not as good as just betting the dominant color in the last 5 spins.  The dominant color also gives you more betting opportunities as you bet every time there is a trigger and I found less swings in the bankroll.

I think adding the EC bet stabilizes the basic system and will continue to test.

Nick

[Mudiru]

I wiped out my BR at BV so i decided to troll the forum again. And i must say this is the best system ive seen in a while not to mention it is used with flat bet! I recorded most of my sessions and in the long run i see it always ends in profit. I will test it live once i get some money in my account. I suspect the BV wheel behaves different once you actually play the system with money and will screw me up and loose the BR again even with this system (hope im wrong and its all in my head)

[Paja]

good testing paja ....my test going with the colour in front of me ie the run seems to be working a lot better...the trouble with the way you are doing it in my mind is that you are chasing the dominant colour in the columns not the colour that's flowing at the time of the game in play...I'm looking what's happening at the time...
there are lots of oddities as you have pointed out but its gameplay at the time we should be concerened about..
another oddity not mentioned on the forum is that all the numbers in doz1 have there own reference number in the same columns through the other dozens lets give a quick reference ie ac  numbers 3 red 6 black 9 red 12 red...these are all in our ref ac....look up the numbers in the rest of column at bc,cc... 15 black numbers added together=6 black..18 red numbers added together =9 red...21 red numbers added together =3 red...24 black numbers added together =6 black..27 red numbers added together =9 red...30 red numbers added together =3 red...33 black numbers added together = 6 black,....36 red numbers added together= 9 red......all except number 12 has a partner why?
same for every column number refering back to doz1 every number that is except 19 red.....
why?.......and number 1 red no partner ?

Very true! Wininig in this game depends on moment, like place in time when something tends to happen. One spin is never enough. I am learning that valuable way of reading random from great people from this thread as we speak.

One question: Am i right to think that we can't predict (read the pattern) of a simple coin tossing?

It looks to me that EC reading is back to back process. Patterns of EC's are just giving hints of what could be happening with larger number groups at the time. If we can see what larger groups tend to do we can predict where to bet on EC.

Oh and this "little" 369 puzzle requires special attention. Looks like awsome tool for unlocking the gates of time (even more precise and profitable way of betting?). Targeted for closer look.

It's bad luck that i can't spare more time these days on my PC to test all this ideas and theories i have (therefore my late response).