Losses control the outcome bet method

[GLC]

This is just a very simple idea that some of you might like to use with your favorite even chance bet selection method.  Of course it can be adapted to any bet, you just have to increase or decrease the number of losses.

Start out with 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1.  That's ten 1's. Every time you lose a bet, cross off a 1.  When you reach +1, re-set the line.  If you cross off all ten 1's without reaching +1, move to 2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2.  Play the same way.

You can continue as far as you wish and you can use any progression you wish.
1-1-2-2  (-60)  If you lose all 40 bets
1-2-3-4  (-100) If you lose all 40 bets
1-2-4-8  (-150) If you lose all 40 bets

I don't recommend going any further than four 10 number series.

Your session ends at the end of your 40th loss. 

If you want to adapt this to double dozens, you can just reduce the number of losses to 5 in each series to keep the same ratio.
For single dozens you increase the number to 20 losses.
For lines you increase the number to 50 losses.

If you think about this for a while, you will see that you can adjust the numbers to suit yourself.

This idea will work if you happen to have a high loss to win ratio in the early stages of an attack followed by a balancing win to loss ration at larger unit bets.

A good way to understand this is to consider if you lost the first 20 bets in a row.  You would be down 10+20=-30 units and your next line could be either ten 3's or ten 4's.  If it's 3's all you would need is to win the next 10 bets to recover back to even.  If it's 4's all you would need to win is 8 times to reach +2.  So, we lost 20 bets and won 10 or 8 bets to break even or win units.

The possibility to try to avoid is a prolonged loss to win ratio with ever increasing bet sizes.  That's why we set 40 lost bets as a stop loss limit.  This keeps us from getting too deep in the hole during a really bad session.

Cheers,

GLC

[GLC]

Bet methods like this one are useful as a means of controlling how we approach the game.  It brings order to our madness.  Some think bets placed randomly over the table are as effective as pre-determined bet sizes and placement locations.  Whether true or not, most of us need order in how we do things which these systems provide.

This is a simple method of attacking the game and it has as good a chance of winning as any other.  The more complicated methods come out at the same location, they just take a meandering and lengthened pathway.  I have tested many of them and if you test long enough you see the same type patterns as you will see with this method.

Take the expanded version of Full Trioplay, it has performed well in my testings.  Actually, better than any other system I've tested.  Nevertheless, I always have a loss or losses that bring me back close to even.  Even though I am ahead in my testing and including live play, I am only ahead by about .05 units per bet.  That means that I have to play 20 bets to be ahead by 1 unit.  It takes 20-30 minutes for 20 bets.  You need at minimum a 300 unit bank to have a realistic shot at this method and you should really have 3 of these 300 unit banks in case of catastrophy early on.

If you are using $1 units, that means you need $900 dollars to play, minimum.  You can expect, by my accounting, to win 2 units per hour of play overall.  That's approximately $2/hour.  There are numerous times that you will be 200 plus units in the hole and sometimes you will lose your 300 unit buy-in.  These are factored in to the 1 unit every 20 bet statistic.

Two dollars an hour doesn't cut for me.  So let's say we play $5 units.  That means we can expect to win $10/hour but we are risking $4500 overall.  And there's always a chance that we will lose all $4500.  Can you afford that?

Okay, $10/hour is better, but it's a hard hour for 10 bucks. 

If we play with $10 units, now all we need is $9000 and we can expect to make $20 per hour.  This is more like it.  But remember, we have invested $9000 and there's always the nagging awareness that in a really bad series of sessions, we could lose our $9000.

All I'm saying is have fun but count the possible cost.

I can't get out of my mind how a good friend, whom many of us know but I won't mention his name, had a system that he won 10's if not 100's of thousands of dollars with.  He thought it was invincible until he encountered the streak of all streaks and gave back way more than he wanted to before calling a hault to the blood letting and giving up on the system.

No matter how good the system is, you must have a realistic stop loss and never play with money that if you lost it, you would be afraid to go home to the misses and tell her.

Just a reality check for any new guest reading this forum.  I know, to the seasoned veterans, these are boring fundamentals.

Luck to all,

GLC

[GLC]

Just want to add a comment about the boogey man we're all trying to beat when it comes to negative progressions.

Let's say that we're having a very bad start and are having to increase our bet size to recover our losses.  Depending on how steep the progression, we will recover as much as 99.5% of the time.  For some progressions, even approaching 99.9% recovery after starting out with a loss.  The problem is if the bad spins continue beyond our bankroll limits.

With this method, we have 40 losses.  That represents 60 bets as a minimum.  If we start with a reasonable win/loss ratio, we will reach a new high quickly and can reset.  If we start with a bad win/loss ratio we must hope for a better ratio later when our bets are larger so we can recover our losses with fewer wins.  The killer is when we are betting 3 or 4 units per hand and we go into another really bad loss vs wins series.

That's the factor that Fripper and company were trying to find a way to deal with using a labby.  You can read about it in his "Beating Roulette With Math" topic.

Unfortunately, they could never come to a comfortable method.  It always comes down to having to either increase the size of your bets to huge amounts to recover in a few quick wins and hope you don't have even more losses or break the bets into smaller units.  This will take much longer to recover.  Even when betting smaller units, you could have the losing streak continue and the cycle goes on.

That's why it's best to just take a loss at some point, regroup and start another attack.