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RNG? Rigged or Actual? opine please

Started by catalyst, May 14, 06:20 AM 2012

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catalyst

hi mate :question:

i would like to ask you about rng. in my local casino, there is screens for roulette wheel and there are computerised stations linked with it. there is no dealer present. i guess these are RNG but don't know actual or rigged. but lots of peoples are playing. it is not online, its in B & M casino. could you please provide some insights that this RNG are rigged or actual.
thanks for your patience.

catalyst

ausguy

This RNG subject comes up fairly often on the forums. A place to start is right here on CC.

Go to the home page. Go down to the Common Interest section & click on ONLINE GAMING.

Once there you should have at the start a coloured section. On the 5th line is a title "DOCUMENTED PROOF OF CHEATING RNG SOFTWARE."  Click on that and you should get to the start of the subject  post 1 by VLS.

On there is presented a promo. spread from a software provider for casino use. Have a careful read of that. This is dated October 2010. There's 7 pages of posts that follow on discussing RNG.

You can also use the search prompt on here, forum.net & VLS. There's a variety of RNG references.

Opinion is divided by many about RNG. Some say they do OK & others warn to avoid it like the plague. Of course there are 2 main RNG venues. Online & at casinos/clubs/betting shops.

RNG casino games are all lumped in with poker/slot machines and as a grouping are called GAMING MACHINES by most gaming authorities.

Vegas Star roulette,blackjack etc. is in the casino & clubs here in Sydney OZ.
My local club has a  Vegas Star roulette. The duty manager there told me they can adjust the profit % to any return they wish but he said they follow the industry accepted % & in line with their poker/slot machine %.
He also said the RNG program is interactive with the % returns and guarantees a set return to the club.
I said that this then means that a lot of the players can't win at certain betting totals because the program avoids a lot of winning bets? The duty guy then just made a zipped lip gesture, raised his eye brows a few times and smiled as he walked off.

Percentage returns are averaged out over a longer period. This is what Audits look at. Not short term peaks and troughs. I've done a lot of reading on line about all this incl. how slots work, RNG & regs. Naturally full details are not disclosed to the public.

I've won lots at times on the club roulette RNG machine. Other times I've been cleaned out. Overall the club is ahead. All clubs here have a $100 total bet limit on Vegas Star per spin. This makes it even more difficult to win on a 50c or $1 min. on any bet. The gaming authority does this so the clubs don't become casinos. The casino RNG limit is $500.

The casino is 1 hr + travel. The local club is 5 minutes. I think that live on line roulette may be good? I played William Hill last year but only on a small bank. I played again tonight on a conditions free 5 GBP promo. I kept it going for a few hours for fun. The bank was way too small so I'll wait a while until I get a decent bank together and decide on a final bet method for WH.

ausguy

Cat - Also look down the bottom of the page here. There's 5 reference threads to RNG.

catalyst

dear ausguy
thanks for your comprehensive answer. you are right i was mentioning about the vegas star roulette. i see so many peoples are playing and peoples are winning too. do you suggest to avoid those gaming machines?

thanks
catalyst

ausguy

Cat - did you look up the RNG info.? As for Vegas Star,yes sure players win. What you don't know mostly is how much and how often they win or lose? Sometimes regular players will tell you how
they go on V S ?

All that really matters is how well you go after many visits ? To do that requires a decent bankroll,a good strategy play as well as tight money management.

As with all gambling there is a risk of losing your money?   The main thing to remember with RNG is that the on screen images and results are predetermined before the "spin" takes place.

In reality the play & results could be given without the big screen. The chosen image is retrieved from the spin data bank. This is what you see when the image  changes to the top camera view above the wheel. It's all designed to make you feel like your at a real dealer table. Notice how those smiling lady dealers always take the ball from the centre spindle for every spin. They don't spin from the last result number.

There's more to it all then it 1st appears. I don't play V S because I was never able to win on it.
I'm certain the RNG program can target bets in order to make the casinos % in the long term?

I've always had better success on live dealer wheels. The random numbers there to me are more "natural" than the hybrid RNG V S numbers. 

Ron

hi ausguy how'r u doing :).. You right about -


'' All that really matters is how well you go after many visits ? To do that requires a decent bankroll,a good strategy play as well as tight money management.[/size]As with all gambling there is a risk of losing your money?   The main thing to remember with RNG is that the on screen images and results are predetermined before the "spin" takes place.''''


Thanks for the info . Just wanted to add, if one can maintain perseverance it's possible to beat the RnG by targeting one or few numbers. Yes numbers are pre-programmed, and the programmers made it really difficult at times for novice players. The V.S treats human 'intuitive power' just like a comedy scene in South park' tv serial.. I have seen 1,2,3,4,5 coming three times in raw. I believe machine is just a machine, it takes real patience to beat the machine, by the means of some virtues quality like faith,trust & self-belief overall. I checked with several club's manager they mentioned the games being monitored by the government authority, and they can't cheat at all. They have enough reserved funds to cover up some losses. We all know, at the end of the day they are the overall winners against the collective gamblers. This game got lot to do with how we perceive,predict,expect and the pre-set mental frame associated with prejudices- i mean its not a game of rational mind, and can never be proved with any theory driven from rational facts. All we can have is play the game with positive attitude & strategies. Best of luck mate.


ausguy

Mr Ron - Good day to you.  You might like to check out the cheating software reference on this very thread in my post as #1. That is if you already haven't done so?

It may be possible to beat RNG on 1 or a few visits but how about doing it on a regular basis?

Also as these RNG machines offer guaranteed % returns for the venue and still comply with player return %s as per the gaming rules, then how do they achieve that return?  Gaming authorities put RNG roulette games in the same category as poker/slot machines (POKIES). That being GAMING MACHINES.

There is less info. on how RNG roulette works then POKIES by virtue of the longer period of time the POKIES have been in operation. A visit to the many on line sites explains how POKIE RNG functions. Roulette RNG is not much different. If it, the pgm., internally requires a venues progressive % share then it will target various bets so that players don't win & therefore usually find their bankroll under stress?

With the RNG pgms. they always stay within the legal gaming limits and so they can't cheat in respect to audit conditions, which by any method has larger sampling bet windows to even out various betting spikes. In relative terms factoring in the table limits and available bet ranges the player win chances are fairly limited. That's what you're up against when playing against RNG. It can put the cleaners through a lot of bets and be temporarily outside the betting limits. Later on it will soften up and pay out more wins which then brings the game back in line with the player return average.

The auditor isn't going to say gee Ron got a raw deal 2 weeks ago on his $500 losing bet spike, &  then gets the venue to return your bet? Would never happen.

I'll even say that if you bet on RNG roulette every day for 30 days with a 1/2 decent bank roll of say $500 for a similar number of hours each day that you will be bust or suffering a large loss around the 1/2 way mark of 15 days. On a total bet pool of $15,000 I would think you'd be down a hole to the tune of at least 1/3 = $5,000.

I would like very much to be proven wrong Ron. If your confident you can make consistant profit by number targeting then you have my best wishes with it. I look forward to hearing how you're going with it all in the near future.     cheers.


downthehatch

Quote from: catalyst on May 14, 06:20 AM 2012
hi mate :question:

i would like to ask you about rng. in my local casino, there is screens for roulette wheel and there are computerised stations linked with it. there is no dealer present. i guess these are RNG but don't know actual or rigged. but lots of peoples are playing. it is not online, its in B & M casino. could you please provide some insights that this RNG are rigged or actual.
thanks for your patience.

catalyst

Hi remember with RNG, you are not playing roulette you are playing a computer programme that is called 'roulette' play the real thing or don't bother.
Cheers

dino246

I 100 % agree with downthehatch, RNG is NOT roulette, as the MACHINE play is DIFFERENT to the way a LIVE WHEEL plays...........You Have Been Warned.........STAY AWAY !!!!
Kind Regards,
Dino.

Ron

Hi mate, i really appreciate your concern about RnG. Yes it's a real concern when we playing against 1:37 odds; but the main odd seems to be the gambling venue/management itself, lets say it's 1:1000. Will there be anyone in this forum who would fight against this odd, even if someone may win few battle down the track but how long it's possible carry on with this battle. The naked truth is we all getting reaped off in this democratic society. But again it lies upon self-prophecy and depends on individual's discretion on how they going to deal with 'number beating/ money making' situation. There are very few people who could sit down for hours without making any single bet & it's the hardest job in this earth. Sometimes i wonder how can i beat my greediness (leaving by heart at home ;) ) but my tricky mind says brain can do the job. It's a perplexed situation, may be a more of gamblers fallacy. Anyways best wishes mate. Take care.

nottophammer

   The main thing to remember with RNG is that the on screen images and results are predetermined before the "spin" takes place.

Hi Aus, the above is a line of yours  from reply 4.
Players seem to think when we push the start button same time we get same number. Well yesterday playing in the bookies,player next to me  seemed to hit start same time, image of wheels both going in different directions, so thought we wont get same number, well he got 23, i got 22.
Do you think the numbers being streamed  were going in order 20,21,22,23 (0 to 36) or a random order. On your search for answers have you seen any info on how we recieve the number.
Cheers NTP


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