lets get in the real world

[Turner]

Hello good people
Does anyone think that this grail searching forum is better equipt to take a backward step and address what rouletteis really about. There is and never will be a holy grail. Every time someone actually takes time to support this forum they are hit with the daunting task of testing something for 1,000,000 spins before the forum council will accept it.
Just my view...but if we had looked for the holygrail of war mongering in 1939, i would now be called fritzfeck not turnerfeck. We had to cobble some grit and ideas based on enigma machines and antifreeze. Could be beat at any time so get crackin. Take the blows on the chin and regroup.
I'm in a casino and i need an idea. I don't give a darn if it loses now and again as long as it makes sense. How in gods name could i run code 4 in a casino whilst in a scrum with 10 chinese and asians and on my 3rd pint of Kronenberg.
And while I'm on a rant...i could do without the likes of johnlegend and flatinfo making out they never lose. It isnt helpful. We are up against a formidable foe in roulette. Prepare to lose. Its been winning for many years.

[Robeenhuut]

Flat bet only... Pack substantial BR..Never go 4 broke.. no matter how long your prog is you will always lose sooner or later... Never bet against any elaborate patterns - they will happen sooner than you think.. Never play d same system 2 long..  Repeaters over sleepers always 

Enough of this... Observe these rules and... you will win more than you lose.

Regards

[Drazen]

Be in no doubt that one can make longterm profits from roulette. The problem is most believe that out there somewhere is a foolproof system which they can mindlessly play and it will forever fill their pockets with cash.  There is no simple system which will do this, but there are techniques and strategies which help. And you have them on forum too.

Regards
Drazen

[Turner]

Thanks robeen....i dont want to know how to stay in boiling water for the longest time. I want to know the quickest way to get the hell out. I did karate when i was a kid and the mantra goes a little like this...." if you can run away, do so. If you cant....heres what you do". The approach being learn how to escape and level the situation.

[TwoCatSam]

In the real world, you won't beat the math or the probabilities.  The law of the third is not a law.  When you think it can't happen, it will.  Past spins can actually predict future events even though they are not connected in any way.  That is to say, a group of totally random incidents can point the way to an incident which is also random.  I read one book by a scientist who said:  "Things seem to want to happen together."

I may have drifted a bit out of the real world on that last one, so I'll quit there.

Frazier to Cliff Claven, "What color is the sky in your world?"

Sam

[flukey luke]

  I read one book by a scientist who said:  "Things seem to want to happen together."

Sam

That's a good starting point. The thing is they are either going to start happening almost straight away or not. There is definately no need for anybody to write down loads of spins looking for things to happen together. They could stop happening the very moment you decide to start betting. What a waste of time that would be. I learned this through experience.

Either you are going to track spins or you are just going play random and scatter your chips anywhere (may the gods be with you on that front) So how many spins do you need to start playing if you are tracking?

2

why 2?

Because you now have information. What good is any more information if you can't make use of the first bit. You will just confuse things.

I don't think I have went off tangent. I am talking real word applications here.

[Turner]

Flukey Luke....

so i did...i jotted down an idea in notepad section which looks at the last 2. "trying to play roulette like Blackjack"

I have totally gone off ideas that require you to sit and bet in a way that you can't leave until something happens, like track 24 spins and bet on all repeats. i can't get up and wander around then come back and see all 4 doubles went treble. I start to get emmotional about certain numbers like "darn...13 came up. Why did I stop tracking 13??"
13 should be Odd or low or black. At least I can go to the toilet and jump straight back in because I'm using the last 2. Last 2 is a great idea for me.

I saw someone talking about flicking a coin in a casino to make a decision. the last 2 spins can flick the coin for you....I guess.

[Nickmsi]

 Turner . . . I can see by your comments that you sometimes get frustrated with roulette and yet by your posting an “out of the box” system like blackjack, that you think there may be another way because you can't beat roulette with conventional methods.


Yes, you can win in the short term with conventional methods, like waiting for random events to happen, like triggers, repeats, sleepers, matrices, ecart deviations, hit and run, luck etc.


Congratulations on the realization that random cannot be forced into any method, that it cannot be predicted and that it will always rear it's ugly head at the wrong moment.


But this is not the end of your journey, it is only the beginning.


A lot of members have given up on roulette when they realized it cannot be beaten conventionally.  But my mantra is “Don't give up . . . Don't ever give up”.


What I did next was change the way I was thinking about random.  Instead of trying to beat it, force it, trick it, etc I tried to let random come to me.  I use the analogy of being a spider web and let the random flies get caught in my web.


To assist in this re-thinking process I used Excel spreadsheets to test various ideas.  They are not the end of your journey but they do show you another way to look at random.


Unfortunately, I am on vacation for June and won't be back home until July.  If you are interested then, just drop me a PM and I will be more than happy to email them to you.


Best of luck.  Am off to put my feet in the cold Long Island Sound . . thankful for hot coffee . . ..  Nick

[Turner]

Nick.....nice reply. Ill talk when u get back. Enjoy

[TwoCatSam]

"Yes, you can win in the short term with conventional methods"

People

If the above were true, why not just play in the "short term" and win all the time?  If you are serious about this game, you should really try to answer that question.  Or not.......

Since we are in the real world, there are lots of questions which get swept under the rug on these forums.  I've noticed when new people ask really simple questions, they get answered by everybody and his dog.  When someone who's been around the floor a few times asks a toughie, the fingers seem to go arthritic. 

In my lil' ol' opinion, we must all properly and satisfactorily answer the tough questions.

Lil' Ol' TwoCat

[Bayes]

In my lil' ol' opinion, we must all properly and satisfactorily answer the tough questions.

I agree, Sam. One of them being, why does a lot of short terms not add up to one long term? Because that's what seems to be the thinking behind the advice that you should only play in the short term - that you can somehow avoid the negative effects of the long term by keeping your sessions short. Sounds to me like hit & run rearing its ugly head again!

[TwoCatSam]

Bayes

I'm sometimes taken with the idea of "H&R" as it seems logical.  "Seems" is the operative word. 

I'm tempted to go back to Victor's Lw software and try that again.  I could log on, see which way the wind was blowing, then play or log out.  It worked until I went to $25 bets.  I learned/lost a lot from that.

I am learning some interesting things from my 24 number study.  I'll post it later on my thread.

Sam

[Turner]

Sam, while we are onthe subject of not getting answers, i asked for help in here because i was having brain seizures when confronted with the real casino. No one replied. So i have decided i will look at short term ideas so i can think clearly at the casino.

[TwoCatSam]

turner

I wrote a long dissertation on what I do and the darn forum went nuts and would not let me post it.  I'm sorry for that.  I'll dig up your post and re-write it.

Sam

[Nickmsi]

Hi Sam and Bayes . . . I agree with you that we cannot win consistently in the short run.  My point was that some people can and do win in the short run, for example, some people win just by pure luck, some quit while they are ahead, some hit a hot streak, some have to go home because their wife says it is time or they have to let out their dog etc.  They do win in the short run and they may label it as "hit & run", as the best system since sliced bread, but can they do it consistently, no, not in my book.

I won't hijack this thread with a discussion of hit and run, had enough of that.

My message to Turner was that don't get discouraged, there is a lot more to learn about roulette when you get off the beaten conventional track and he seems to be doing that with his blackjack method.

I am here to help and assist in whatever way I can.

Nick