The JL Challenge

[TwoCatSam]

iggiv

Well, just keep on deleting!  In the final analysis, you can't make John win.  And your "Hit and Run" won't win and that sticks in your crop.  You'[ve touted his methods so if he's a failure, you're a failure!

Funny how the people who say really good things about John don't have their posts deleted.

Sam

[iggiv]

Now back to roulette stuff.

Sam u claim that most of John's hit-run sessions are losers.

i will show u how your bad emotions manipulate the real truth.
I copied to jpg files his hit-run quick sessions (not his long sessions!),
and i posted my comments where he really lost. I marked the start and end of bankroll as well.

so here u go.

now tell me that u say only truth about John's game

[TwoCatSam]

There's a new link Wally G. That one's dead.

link:://:.gigabean.co.uk/jltest.html

The above link is the last one I found on this thread.  There are countless short sessions, each with far more L than w.  It has today's date, July 8, 2012, on it so it seems to be up to date.

iggiv, would you please direct me to where you got these figures?

Sam

[iggiv]

that's funny Sam, because what u call more L than W are really  more winning sessions than losing.
these are figures from the same link u posted here. Just your emotions prevented it from analyzing properly.

U ASSUMED that John's game failed, and that was enough for u.

but in reality his game failed only where he broke his own rules about hit-run. Where he let himself to be involved in long sessions. That's where he lost. But on hit-run he won more than he lost.

i calculated that if he were not involved in the long sessions he would be 29 units up by now --
10% of his bankroll. By this pace if he kept winning he would double his bankroll roughly in one month or so.

in a year or so he would make 4000 of his bankrolls, if he kept winning this way only by short sessions and kept doubling his bankroll and his units each month.

i am not telling this will necessarily happen, i am just telling how he would have been doing if he was not involved in "war against randomness" as he called it.

People are drawn by emotions, quarrels etc,  and can't just sit and analyze his results carefully...

[TwoCatSam]

Here's today's result.

We'll see, won't we?

[albertojonas]

that's funny Sam, because what u call more L than W are really  more winning sessions than losing.
these are figures from the same link u posted here. Just your emotions prevented it from analyzing properly.

U ASSUMED that John's game failed, and that was enough for u.

but in reality his game failed only where he broke his own rules about hit-run. Where he let himself to be involved in long sessions. That's where he lost. But on hit-run he won more than he lost.

i calculated that if he were not involved in the long sessions he would be 29 units up by now --
10% of his bankroll. By this pace if he kept winning he would double his bankroll roughly in one month or so.

in a year or so he would make 4000 of his bankrolls, if he kept winning this way only by short sessions and kept doubling his bankroll and his units each month.

i am not telling this will necessarily happen, i am just telling how he would have been doing if he was not involved in "war against randomness" as he called it.

People are drawn by emotions, quarrels etc,  and can't just sit and analyze his results carefully...

Anyone can explain the concept of Personal Permanence ??

[iggiv]

Here's today's result.

We'll see, won't we?

today result was 8 units from 203 to 211. Yes, we will see. No reason to bash John and claim his failure. Just wait and see.

[TwoCatSam]

Personal permanence...........

If memory serves me right, VLS described it this way:

Only the numbers that come while you are actively involved in the game are of importance to you.  If you put them all together over the years, you have your personal spins or numbers that came. 

This is why "hit and run" won't work.  If it did, in your permanence you would find a meaningful imbalance.  Like no zeros.  You just won't find it.  What you will find it that the permanence will reflect the true math of the game.

Where is KonFuSed when you need him?

Sam

[speed]

Very good explanation. 

probability to be deleted

[iggiv]

Personal permanence...........

If memory serves me right, VLS described it this way:

Only the numbers that come while you are actively involved in the game are of importance to you.  If you put them all together over the years, you have your personal spins or numbers that came. 

This is why "hit and run" won't work.  If it did, in your permanence you would find a meaningful imbalance.  Like no zeros.  You just won't find it.  What you will find it that the permanence will reflect the true math of the game.

Where is KonFuSed when you need him?

Sam

that's a most weird conclusion. if personal permanence is that and this, then hit-n-run won't work.

it's like saying " if a motorcycle engine is called internal combustion engine then jet plane engine won't work".

that definition (pers.perm)  has nothing to do with hit-run.

Most if not all legitimate  pro gamblers (John Patrick, Bret Morton and others -- well known) advocate hit-n-run. No one will tell u -- "sit in casino and play till u have power to...
If u r OK with it, then play 3 days in a row, that's ok".

they know very well, everyone who knows about gambling know that u should stop as soon as possible at the right moment...and not to play for too long...

that's what hit-n-run is about...

[TwoCatSam]

Then just answer me one question:

What do you do when you sit down and lose?  All these folks talk about sitting down and winning and then leaving.  iggiv, that is a pipe dream!  Then we have the loss limit.  What do you do if the next time you sit down, you lose?  You're trying to overcome the losses by dodging them.  Can't be done!  You must deal with them as they come!

Do you sit three days?  No.  You get tired, you leave!

And as I said, that's what I remember from Victor.

I'm outta here!!

Sam

[iggiv]

Have a good nite and sweet dreams Steve. Take it easy. I wanted to say "my friend", but i guess u don't wanna be my friend anymore.

So much i have heard about myself today from u.


Anyway feel free to say what u want.

[speed]

Have a good nite and sweet dreams Steve. Take it easy. I wanted to say "my friend", but i guess u don't wanna be my friend anymore.

Looks like an ultimatum and pressure from the mod iggiv

[iggiv]

good. lets Steve see how u r trolling in this forum. Nice.

[superman]

LOL here we go again, another fisty cuffs, Sam does have a very good point that nobody seems to remember.

When JL was priming for this challenge he said he would beat the RNG without hit n run he would attack it for as long as he wanted, his secret weapon (method) that he would only divulge via PM after the challenge proved he could do it, day and night, so what Sam and others are seeing is the goal posts have been moved a bit.

Personally I couldn't care less now if he wins or loses the challenge because from what we have already seen it didn't look good, now he's reverted to hit n run, so what, it may look good for a long time, but at some point it's not going to look good, time will tell.