Hector's Grail.

[Twisteruk]

Yes, I managed to win 500 individual sessions with a goal of +5 units for each session.  Some sessions take 10 spins, the longest was 120 spins.  When i'm not winning, i'm breaking even, winning and losing during times of chaos.

By Guessing what the next outcome will be ??

[Bayes]

Let's say your average number of bets per session is 39, with 17 losses and 22 wins. That gives a total of 19,500 bets with 11,000 wins.

The z-score is 21.68 on a single zero wheel, higher on a double zero of course.

Impressive. 

I think most of us here would like you to be a little more specific in describing your bet selection. 

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By Guessing what the next outcome will be ??

Yes.  It's not simply a blind guess, it's an educated guess.  I look at everything as a whole, it's a combination of understanding random and probability.

[F_LAT_INO]

Hi Spike.

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Let's say your average number of bets per session is 39, with 17 losses and 22 wins. That gives a total of 19,500 bets with 11,000 wins.

The z-score is 21.68 on a single zero wheel, higher on a double zero of course.

Impressive. 

I think most of us here would like you to be a little more specific in describing your bet selection. 

Read post #19 for how I'm playing.  All of these sessions were done in practice with Speilbank Weisban spins on Roulette Xtreme.  My testing phase is over and i'm starting to actually bet in a casino.  I've only had 3 sessions so far in a casino and I was able to do the same thing I did in practice at the table. 

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Hi Spike.

Def NOT Spike, I've read alot of what he does, and I have no idea if i'm doing the same thing as him, but there are similarities as far as flat betting, and paying attention.

[Bayes]

Yes.  It's not simply a blind guess, it's an educated guess.  I look at everything as a whole, it's a combination of understanding random and probability.

What do you mean by "I look at everything as a whole"?

Aren't you just looking at the last 10-15 spins?

If so, do you plan to make just one bet at a time based on those past spins? or a series of bets?

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What do you mean by "I look at everything as a whole"?

Aren't you just looking at the last 10-15 spins?

If so, do you plan to make just one bet at a time based on those past spins? or a series of bets?

Everything as a whole meaning the past 15 spins or so (the big picture).  It's always one bet at a time.  Sometimes I don't place a bet b/c all I see is chaos and I can't make anything of it.  I have a stop loss of -6 units, but in all my testing, i've never reached it yet, and when i've gotten close, i've always seemed to slowly grind my way back out of it into positive terriorty, one bet at a time.

[Bayes]

Through experience and practice I know that series of 1's (singles) and 2's (doubles) cannot last forever, if I observe this situation of many 1's and 2's in 10-15 spins, I know that streaks are coming soon.  The sands are shifting and you have to know when to capitalize on the change.

I bet in a similar way to this, but I take into account more data (not just 1's and 2's). Having said that, I use a progression. Not sure if I could win flat betting or not, never tried it long term. Maybe I just don't have the patience. 
All I know is that betting this way keeps drawdowns very low, and that's all I need.

By the way, I don't really like the phrase "reading randomness", it sounds too much like voodoo. Probability is enough, what else is there?

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I bet in a similar way to this, but I take into account more data (not just 1's and 2's). Having said that, I use a progression. Not sure if I could win flat betting or not, never tried it long term. Maybe I just don't have the patience. 
All I know is that betting this way keeps drawdowns very low, and that's all I need.

By the way, I don't really like the phrase "reading randomness", it sounds too much like voodoo. Probability is enough, what else is there?

It does take alot of patience, but if you can practice until you get it, flat betting is King and i'm sure you know that.  I don't just pay attention to 1's and 2's, I pay attention to 3's and 4+'s just as much.  Probability is definately at play, but you have to understand how randomness works, and i'm NOT talking about following trends.
Run 100 spins on roulette extreme and look at the statistics for red/black.  You will see that 1's are usually higher than 2's.  And 2's are higher than 3's.  And 3's are higher than 4's....and so on.  In a typical random stream, that is what is happening the majority of the time.  Look at 15 spins, you will see 1's usually have more appearences than 2's, 2's more than 3's etc.  That is a healthy random stream that can be taken advantage of, you can play for that to continue.  It takes a hell of alot of practice but you will see it with repetition.  When the stream is not behaving like 'typical random,' (such as lots of 3's and 4+'s...aka streaks), you know that a change is coming sooner than later, this is where probability comes to play.  Red and Black are not going to keep streaking forever, those 1's and 2's are right around the corner!

[Twisteruk]

It does take a lot of patience, but if you can practice until you get it, flat betting is King and i'm sure you know that.  I don't just pay attention to 1's and 2's, I pay attention to 3's and 4+'s just as much.  Probability is definately at play, but you have to understand how randomness works, and i'm NOT talking about following trends.
Run 100 spins on roulette extreme and look at the statistics for red/black.  You will see that 1's are usually higher than 2's.  And 2's are higher than 3's.  And 3's are higher than 4's....and so on.  In a typical random stream, that is what is happening the majority of the time.  Look at 15 spins, you will see 1's usually have more appearences than 2's, 2's more than 3's etc.  That is a healthy random stream that can be taken advantage of, you can play for that to continue.  It takes a hell of a lot of practice but you will see it with repetition.  When the stream is not behaving like 'typical random,' (such as lots of 3's and 4+'s...aka streaks), you know that a change is coming sooner than later, this is where probability comes to play.  Red and Black are not going to keep streaking forever, those 1's and 2's are right around the corner!

I would love to see this in action.
Maybe if your willing and Bayes is willing you could do a Challenge like JL has done, just so we can experience Flat Betting to Profit ?
That would be so awesome !

[Blood Angel]

Hi Barcode,
I have a question.
Would you play multiple streams at once or do you just select the one most likely to give you the outcome you expect? Im guessing you maybe wouldnt play all three at once if your stop loss is -6 units. Thank you.

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I bet in a similar way to this, but I take into account more data (not just 1's and 2's). Having said that, I use a progression. Not sure if I could win flat betting or not, never tried it long term. Maybe I just don't have the patience. 
All I know is that betting this way keeps drawdowns very low, and that's all I need.

By the way, I don't really like the phrase "reading randomness", it sounds too much like voodoo. Probability is enough, what else is there?

go here: link:://:.gametheory.net/mike/applets/random/random.html
This tool is what helped me read and practice reading random.  See if you can get your sample to be 'random' by the applet's definition on your first try.  I now get 'random' all the time.

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Hi Barcode,
I have a question.
Would you play multiple streams at once or do you just select the one most likely to give you the outcome you expect? I'm guessing you maybe wouldnt play all three at once if your stop-loss is -6 units. Thank you.

No, just one stream.  I pick the one that I think has the best chance to win on the next spin.  My last trip to the casino instead of tracking 3 streams for one individual table (R/B, H/L, O/E), I only focused on R/B by looking at the history board.  I walked around between 4 different tables all in the same area and reached in to place my bet on red or black.  If I felt it wasn't a good time to bet, I would wait, or walk to the next table and read that table's history board.  If I wanted to look at H/L, O/E, I would have to have a paper and pen to track it, and visually see it better.

[Blood Angel]

No, just one stream.  I pick the one that I think has the best chance to win on the next spin.  My last trip to the casino instead of tracking 3 streams for one individual table (R/B, H/L, O/E), I only focused on R/B by looking at the history board.  I walked around between 4 different tables all in the same area and reached in to place my bet on red or black.  If I felt it wasn't a good time to bet, I would wait, or walk to the next table and read that table's history board.  If I wanted to look at H/L, O/E, I would have to have a paper and pen to track it, and visually see it better.

Thank you for your answer.