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RNG vs Real Wheel (RW)

Started by Turner, Apr 04, 04:57 PM 2013

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nottophammer

Joe one is live wheel the other is Random.org





Who cares which type
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

The General

Notto is a good example of someone that wouldn't be able to beat a biased wheel even if you told him that it was biased.    The reason is because his bet selection is at best just a guess.
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
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Roulettebeater

i dunno how much time and efforts does notto put on his sheets but for sure his sheets as well as his systems is far away from the sh$t.


:thumbsup:  keep it going, Notto!


beat him, beat him !
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

The General

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Sep 06, 02:38 PM 2018
i dunno how much time and efforts does notto put on his sheets but for sure his sheets as well as his systems is far away from the sh$t.


:thumbsup:  keep it going, Notto!


beat him, beat him !

Perhaps there's an English translation to what you've written? ::)
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

Roulettebeater

go back to school and learn, i know it might be tough for you but at least try !
i guess you speak only one language, that's too little... try to upgrade your brain

A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

The General

Sorry, but I don't speak ghetto  ::)
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
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Roulettebeater

instead of talking bad about notto, why don't you show us your graphs ?
let your graphs speak for you.. go ahead, show us!
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

The General

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Sep 06, 03:36 PM 2018
instead of talking bad about notto, why don't you show us your graphs ?
let your graphs speak for you.. go ahead, show us!



Ok, here you go.  As you know, graphs are prove that every system works. ::)

Translation for you...
Here be da shit fool.  it work dam da hell gud mak da graph dam crazy yo!
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Turner

Quote from: The General on Sep 06, 03:54 PM 2018


Ok, here you go.  As you know, graphs are prove that every system works. ::)

Translation for you...
Here be da shit fool.  it work dam da hell gud mak da graph dam crazy yo!

Do you realise you follow the same boring process every time.

Aloof dismissal, if that doesnt work, personal insult, usually about typos and if that doesnt work, an animated gif of Mike Ehrmantraut shaking his head.

That gif makes no sense as Mike is telling the goons not to draw their guns on Walt when he is demanding they say his name....Heisenberg

What is it you actually contribute apart from tripe and trolling?







The General

Basic probability and The General are your friend.
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RouletteGhost

Quote from: The General on Sep 05, 07:16 PM 2018
Ghost,

How do you feel that it will in any way benefit you???

Be careful with chi square.  You'll put your eye out if you're not careful.

Well you asked me a question

you said "how do you feel that it will in any way benefit you?"

that question is an assumption. you are assuming i am insinuating it may benefit me...I never said that

for years I have been saying that RNG is not "roulette" and that it behaves differently

your "chi" test proves that
the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

link:[url="s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o"]s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o[/url]

The General

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 06, 07:39 PM 2018
Well you asked me a question

you said "how do you feel that it will in any way benefit you?"

that question is an assumption. you are assuming i am insinuating it may benefit me...I never said that

for years I have been saying that RNG is not "roulette" and that it behaves differently

your "chi" test proves that

My point partly is that you don't play enough spins over time for it to even matter.  Any win that you have is going to be related to shear luck over such a short term playing horizon.  It's not an insult, it's just the way it is.

Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

maestro

  Any win that you have is going to be related to shear luck over such a short term playing horizon.  It's not an insult, it's just the way it is.


i bet some people are very lucky :'(
Law of the sixth...<when you play roulette there will always be a moron tells you that you will lose to the house edge>

Nimo

Quote from: Turner on Sep 06, 06:22 PM 2018
Do you realise you follow the same boring process every time.

Aloof dismissal, if that doesnt work, personal insult, usually about typos and if that doesnt work, an animated gif of Mike Ehrmantraut shaking his head.

That gif makes no sense as Mike is telling the goons not to draw their guns on Walt when he is demanding they say his name....Heisenberg

What is it you actually contribute apart from tripe and trolling?





The General is here for the same reasons we all are, perhaps a way to improve upon what we already know, in his case he may know a lot about AP, but maybe a tweak here or there that someone posts might improve things.  He just tends to look down on the rest of us from his illusions of grandeur tower with derision and contempt, but he still reads every post looking for information he can use.  All this under the guise that he is helping us all with his knowledge.

Its similar to the snobbish wine zealots that pay dearly for a bottle of wine, but in a blind taste test can't tell the difference between an $800 bottle and $20 bottle.  They have attitude so they insist the $800 bottle has to be better because its more expensive. 
If all the world is a stage, who is left to be the audience?

Joe

Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 06, 01:09 PM 2018Joe one is live wheel the other is Random.org Who cares which type
notto, it's better to use a proper statistical test like Chi-Square because they are designed specifically to be sensitive to differences. You can easily do it in excel. See here for details :
link:://mathproblems.info/gam470/games/chi-sqr/chi-squared-test.html
My first test of 50,000 spins did show some slight "bias" for real spins, but was not really significant. The RNG chi value was 35.7 (p-value 0.482), almost right on expectation. The real spins chi value was 43.4 (p-value 0.185).
Anyway, I'll do some more testing.
Logic. It's always in the way.

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