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Title: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 19, 10:48 PM 2013
Here is Azim again...

Quote from: maestro on Mar 19, 03:05 PM 2013
azim i do not get it....you say is good app so stick 60 in and make 30 profit,and so on i just do not get it ...since you done this topic till now you couldve have 1000...if is goooood :-\
p.s i do not need your app...

I have 2-3 weeks to do this. I am on Holidays and this would be a nice X-Mas gift for you all.

I am having problems in setting up the site where you all can enter the number's and the calculations will give you the numbers to bet..

Some of the stuff I have is proprietary belonging to someone who wants money for it...

I have 2 options to do this:..
OPTION 1:
1)  Giving you all the links  and materials to read and understand..
You do it yourself...

OPTION 2:
Is to give you a tracker for each individual system to play with and understand it..

I can't teach you how to read the result back from the 5 systems into number's with in 2-3 weeks...

That's  the part where I had paid and am paying occasionally when I play.

The whole concept is based on playing 4-5 systems together and playing the intersection of numbers..
Some of you may ask what is that?

In short, if you have 4reds, 7 evens, and 5 high numbers showing on your chart..

In the last few occasions when there was a trend, the trend broke of soon enough you bet BLACK, ODD and LOW.. You will say whats the gain...  NO you don't bet the Even chance it self you bet.. 11,13,15 & 17..  Which is 4 number's.  If it was BLACK, LOW, EVEN it would have been 5 number's..  2,4,6,8,10... 
What you want to do is bet heavy on those number's and their neighbors..  the neighbors is just to cover your investment..

You go and look at the sleepers in the same way...

Now keeping to the above example..  11, 13, 15 and 17..  If the trend was of a long one..  I would bet 30, 32, 34 and 36..

All these has to be done in 60secs + placing your bets...

It's possible for a fraction of us to do it, within the allocated time...


This time I am not here to sell anything..  I  DO NOT expect you to buy anything for this... 
I am here to give you all what I had found out a few months or a year back...from all different places

All you have to do is practice practice and practice to read the results back into numbers...  The author of the Raindrop theory said it perfectly.. play with roulette xtreme and learn the systems inside out.. It's supposed to be like knowing your alphabets..

I can answer your questions with explanation, but you all will agree No one can teach the other person how to think.
Please keep in mind not everyone's luck is the same either.

Next posts will have all the links built into it..  No words...
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 19, 11:14 PM 2013
This was Repeter's

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11565.0

The following one was intresting:  THE AUTHOR NEVER EXPLAINED IT TO ME:

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9330.0

If someone can get the owner to explain it to a non-roulette player, this might be a winner.
(by the way-> I am a C++ programmer.  IF YOU CAN THINK IT..  YOU CAN PROGRAM IT..  Might take a few months to get it right.
It will be time well spent.)

This one has it all...  The owner has vanished...I think the owner was trying to teach everyone how to think..  I am sorry, it's hard to teach someone how to think...
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=10230.0

This one has an excellent bet selection statistics for the current trend
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=2681.0


Now:  I want you to look at the following site...  I am not here to promote any of the products.
If you are the owner of the products..  Good for you..
by the way : Some of the stuff is free..

link:://:.roulette-tools.com/free-roulette-tools.htm


Forgot Drazen's theory of third as well:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4960.0




Once again..  If you want me to do the 2nd Option I am willing to do it too...

I will say it again..  I can't teach you how to think..I can explain what the results are from each and every tracker.

Azim



Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 20, 04:48 PM 2013
I know, everyone thinks, I was rude to AUSGUY.  Well, I don't want to dwell on it.  What's done is done. I had my opinion about him and he had about me..  I gave him my piece.  Anyways, Looks like he isn't up to the challenge.

AUSGUY, I AM SORRY, IF ANYTHING I SAID HAS BEEN INTERPRETED AS BEING RUDE.

So here we go :

I said this should be "like knowing your alphabets.".

I once again, can't teach you how to think, but I can show you the way and it's up to you to make the effort to learn and practice.

Step 1:
It's not an easy process. I am going to go through this process step by step for you to learn and practice.

Question I have to you all before I go to step 2.  Do you want to use all 37(European Wheel) or 38(American Wheel) or can I reduce the numbers down to 12 or 13  and try and make it easier to understand?

If I can use 12 to 13 number's I want someone to design a wheel based on those number's and post it for everyone to see.


Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: TwoCatSam on Dec 20, 08:47 PM 2013
I vote 37
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: roulettefan on Dec 20, 08:54 PM 2013
37 also
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 20, 09:18 PM 2013
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 20, 08:47 PM 2013
I vote 37

Sam,
Honestly you want to go through this process with 37 numbers... Fine by me..

I am going to say to you all before I start.. I DO NOT INTEND TO OFFEND ANYBODY..  I AM TREATING YOU ALL AS NEW ROULETTE PLAYERS WITH NO PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE. YOU WILL HAVE TO FORGET FOR A WHILE THAT YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT ROULETTE.

But remember it will really become a very long process with 37 numbers and I am sure people will have questions...
I don't want to be tied to this after 3 weeks..  I might become busy and may not answer..  I don't want to be accused of not showing..  That's why I have posted all the material...

The reason Why I choose 12-13 was 12 would have become a non-zero table and 13 would be a zero table..  Each dozen would have 4 numbers and each column would have 3 numbers..And we would have done a payout of 12:1  and not 36:1

Any ways let's start..
I have a request for you Sam, Write down min 75 maximum No limit winning numbers.  Zip them up and password protect it..
Give me the first 7 numbers from it.
After we have gone through the process reveal the password for everyone to see..

I trust you, but It's just playing it safe.  Is that fair?
I will only take numbers from you.. We will give everyone time to respond.. 
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: GLC on Dec 20, 09:45 PM 2013
The way my memory's been lately, acting as if I don't know roulette will be a piece of cake.

From this point forward I know nothing except how to play the basic game of roulette.

Let the games begin.

GLC
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 20, 10:05 PM 2013
Quote from: GLC on Dec 20, 09:45 PM 2013
The way my memory's been lately, acting as if I don't know roulette will be a piece of cake.

From this point forward I know nothing except how to play the basic game of roulette.

Let the games begin.

GLC

I am sorry. However I like that George..  Well, Let me add to my previous post. I know for a fact, Sam, Nickmsi, Iggiv, Drazen and yourself will slaughter me with questions...

Anyways..  If anyone of you want to take this over while other is not available..  I am up for it..  As long as we all on the same page..  One number at a time from the same file..

Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: GLC on Dec 20, 11:20 PM 2013
I like the concept of "giving back".

Your signature states:  "With right tools and good money management, any gambling activity can produce a steady income."

I've been struggling with that statement.

I hope you prove to us that you have discovered how to make that true for roulette.

I'm sure BudskiiHD hopes so too.

Sounds like it's going to take a lot of practice, study, self-discipline, money management, judgment, and maybe a little bit of luck.  Pretty much what many of us have been preaching for a long time. 

I may have to set aside my "Full Trioplay Tames The Mongoose" system, if yours is more stable.

GLC
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 20, 11:38 PM 2013
George..  I hate to have done this..  but If you go back to the VLS forum.

I just bashed AUSGUY, again...  this time I have quoted  the post from

Quote from: know when to quit on Feb 06, 01:40 PM 2011
Hello again,
Finally did the test I had been waiting years to do. I always wondered what would happen if I played at a live table, starting out with 1 unit chips then when I built them up to trade them in to 5 unit chips the up frpm there. I have been working for years on perfecting this sys and finally felt confident enough to give it a try.  I played for three hours building up and trading in, 25 unit chips were difficult to play with because of low house plein bets (50 unit max plein bet) so I dropped back down to 5 unit and used that. cleared 4500 units and cashed out. ok this is not just a bragging thread..... this sys is difficult to explain but ill keep trying if you want to send me some actual spins ill explain what to bet next and why. sorry for the silence I have been very busy workig at our new school.

For some of us gifted people in the world, its second to nothing...  I honestly, have gambling in my blood from both sides.. 
We just don't abuse the skills we have.  Even If after doing this.  I get 1 person winning on a regular bassis, my job will have been done..

Like I said to Drazen...

The War -> We will not beat it...THAT'S FOR SURE.. THERE IS NOBODY who has.
The battles:  session we can win and just have to win more than lose.

It will be the individual greed that will kill the person..  I look at a Casino as a 24hr atm if used wisely.

Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 21, 12:07 AM 2013
Step 2:
While we are waiting for whoever gives me the number's...  Here is the homework...  Really,  that's for the USA  player's  they can't bet online..  so we will give them a chance to go to the casino and play...

The work is memorize the wheel..  Just the way you know your alphabets...  If someone gives you 3 number's  you should be able to tell them what their neighbor's are..   B->  A and C..   same way  0->26 and 32..  No looking up on any charts..  It should be natural..  How long do you think it takes to look up from a chart? Remember we are on a time constraint.less than 60 seconds minus time to place the bets...

I am dealing with Random Number Generator , Live dealer or number's picked up from the tree...

Ok..  but I can't remember the wheel, I have to write the numbers down...  FIRST CAUSION..  Never play with your emotions... Yes, I will let you write the number's down..  think again...  write the number's down, plot a graph to visualize and bet...  How long will it take?...   NO EMOTIONS->  If you can't do that in less than 60 seconds and miss a betting opportunity, don't worry....  the casino is open 24hrs..  there is no need to rush, you might get a better opportunity or you might not..   

If you going to write the number's down..  use 2 pages  on one page write the number's in numerical order.. 0 can go on the top or bottom your preference..same goes for 00.
On the second page write the wheel order..
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 21, 12:33 AM 2013
NO EMOTIONS->

I am not sure if I can do this. I hope I am allowed...

Quote from: ati on Dec 19, 08:33 AM 2013
It's over...... I could kill myself at the moment......everything was going perfect, then I lost it again.
I had a very unlucky series of numbers in today's session, and I had to bet over 1000 units, and that still wasn't enough to cover the losses.
I got mad, raised the stakes, and lost about 6000 units total.
I have two options now, cash out the remaining 3000 units, or start playing 24/7 and try to get back where I was. One thing for sure, next time I play, I will not have win goals, I'm gonna win as much as I can. What's the point of having 100 units per day win goals, when one loss is in the thousands?
It's too hard to accept a loss if I win every day. The same happened to me all the time when I was playing poker for years. Almost every day was a winning day, so I was unable to accept a loss when it came.

When I say emotions..  this is a BIG NO NO NO...

You can't let that get to you... REASONS:  EMOTIONS AND FINANCES DONT GO HAND IN HAND.

Consider this as buying stocks...  If the stock lost it's value, do you go out running to the bank and say i want more stocks so i can recover?



Hence my question: WHY DO WE BUILD ROBOTS...


Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 21, 01:23 AM 2013
Can someone tell me if I am allowed to quote statement's from other threads like the previous quote I did?
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: TwoCatSam on Dec 21, 01:53 AM 2013
Azim

I thought you meant do we use the European or American wheel.  I chose European.  I'm happy with any number of numbers; 12 or 13.  I have .rar-ed my numbers but I do not know how to password protect them.  I will e-mail them to any third part so they may verify.

In any event, the first 7 are
25
7
1
11
6
3
25

Someone--or several--send an e-mail to TwoCatSam@cox.net and I'll send you the .rar file.

Sam
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 21, 08:09 AM 2013
Sam,

After having thought about this..  Doesn't matter..I realized this isn't a challenge this is just a learning process..The longer it takes it will be better to understand..But I am on a time limit   :(

New Number "X"
Is this correct:
25 , 7 ,  1, 11, 6, 3, 25 , "X"
or is it
"X", 25, 7, 1, 11, 6, 3, 25 ?

While I am waiting for Sam...  Why did I choose 7 and not 5, 3, 12, 8 etc etc.. 
If you play Air ball at the casino you have an option of going for as long as you want without placing a bet.
If you play Live Dealer or Air Ball online after about 7-8 the program says you have been disconnected due to inactivity.

Step 3:
What can we do to this number's:  25..  What do we know about 25.. It is odd, It is high, and it is red. Well we all know that..25  is your number 1.. and 0..  What is 1 -> 1 is it's the first spin I observed...  What is 0->  Zero is i can't go back from this point..  I can only look at things in one direction ..  and that is forward...If I go back  I enter a negative number.. In life do we want to be around any negativity?  I certainly don't.

We have 2 pages..  I will Call them Wheel Layout-> Which is a wheel layout. The second page is statistics..

On the wheel layout mark 25 with "1"...  On the statistics page: you could have written the number's horizontal or vertical..  Either way doesn't matter.. Split that into 2..  Just draw a line in between or what ever.. On Side "A"  mark 1 under or next to 25 depending on how you have written the number's..  On Side "B" mark 0 next to 25...

When Sam replies to my question..  if "3" is the next number..  On the wheel layout mark 3 with "2" and on the Statistics page "A-Side" mark 3 with 2   and "B-Side" mark 1 next to 3.

If "7" is the next number  do the above to the "7".

Complete the rest of the number's.. Based on the above.

Relate this back to the stock market:  What do we know about a company?,  Who is the CEO, finances etc etc etc

Hey wait a minute,  the CEO changed... Guess what the dealer changed? :question:

:ooh:  Well  the wheel is still the same, the number's are the same.  the spacing between number's are the same,  25 is still high, odd and red..  Why do we care if a dealer changed?  The ball is the same too?

Air Ball,  has internal statistics..  It is random to a point where even SD is set to randomize
What do I mean by that?   We have read every where that SD is 3.  Guess what, before the evolution of computer, live dealers only, that was an excellent observation.  3 SD is (37 X 3) = 111 spins..  Do the math 111 spins how long does it take to play with a live dealer? Now, 111 spins is a matter of 30 munites...  See the statement " Now days we play more spins online hence we see more of the abnormalities on a regular basis"..   Pre computer era 111 spins ->  3 hours  estimation of 2 munites per spin?  Have I exaggerated that or have I been on the lower end of 2 munites..(Remember, dealers use to separate all losing  chips by hand).

To this point: Does anyone think this is fiction..  Or a fact that no one has looked at it in that direction?
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: TwoCatSam on Dec 21, 10:15 AM 2013
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 21, 01:53 AM 2013
Azim

I thought you meant do we use the European or American wheel.  I chose European.  I'm happy with any number of numbers; 12 or 13.  I have .rar-ed my numbers but I do not know how to password protect them.  I will e-mail them to any third part so they may verify.

In any event, the first 7 are
25
7
1
11
6
3
25---------NEWEST

Someone--or several--send an e-mail to TwoCatSam@cox.net and I'll send you the .rar file.

Sam
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: GLC on Dec 21, 10:33 AM 2013
Azim,  Two Cat's integrity regarding the numbers is all I need. :thumbsup:

Unless you're getting ready to blow our minds with how much you win per spin. :o
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Blood Angel on Dec 21, 10:38 AM 2013
Quote from: GLC on Dec 21, 10:33 AM 2013
Azim,  Two Cat's integrity regarding the numbers is all I need. :thumbsup:

Unless you're getting ready to blow our minds with how much you win per spin. :o

Me too. However I have received a copy from Sam. In case I need to be in position to help out on here.
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: TwoCatSam on Dec 21, 11:47 AM 2013
Thanks for the kind words, George.

Now, as to the sheet.........

Do I make two sheets:

1   1
2   2
3   3..............and so on?

Sam
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 21, 02:20 PM 2013
Quote from: GLC on Dec 21, 10:33 AM 2013
Azim,  Two Cat's integrity regarding the numbers is all I need. :thumbsup:

Unless you're getting ready to blow our minds with how much you win per spin. :o

I have no objection to it..  Like I said, It's not a challenge, I don't or didn't have to do this..

Anyways.. Yes I am ok with that.. :)
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 21, 02:29 PM 2013
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 21, 11:47 AM 2013
Thanks for the kind words, George.

Now, as to the sheet.........

Do I make two sheets:

1   1
2   2
3   3..............and so on?


Sam
Sheet  1  I will be calling this table layout .....has 1,2,3,4,5,-> 36..  You can place the 0 and or 00 anywhere top or bottom
This is further divided into Side A and Side B.
Example
         Side A   |      Side B
0                   |
1                   |
2                   |
3                   |




Sheet 2: This is the wheel layout
This is the wheel layout Eurpean->0,32,15->26... 
This is the wheel layout American -> 0,28,9,->14,2.


Are we all on the same page now?
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 21, 03:04 PM 2013
STEP 4:

These number's aren't Roulette numbers:

Can anyone comment as to what they see in these number's?

1 7 12 19 25 30 37.

Once you think you have it right..  Apply it to the number's that Sam has provided us..
You also have the table layout and wheel layout marked in front of u.. visualize and come up with a number for the next bet...

Remember->  It's a live game->  you can bet anything you want..where ever you want.. I am not associated with them.. But we will use Bet voyager's table limits.. 

I will go back to my thread" Hear your feedback"  ->  Play anywhere you want..  I will not tell you where to play...


Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Turner on Dec 21, 04:09 PM 2013
I can be really thick at times. This is one of those times

I have read this 4 times and I havnt got the faintest idea what everyone is talking about  :-\
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 21, 04:17 PM 2013
Quote from: Turner on Dec 21, 04:09 PM 2013
I can be really thick at times. This is one of those times

I have read this 4 times and I havnt got the faintest idea what everyone is talking about  :-\

Thanks...  I will try and ask you to read quotes that say Steps  so far only 4..Go in order..

If you still don't follow... I will try a different method...
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: teo on Dec 21, 04:21 PM 2013
This should be call....Giving break...what a circus....At first though you are only joking but now got it.
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Turner on Dec 21, 04:22 PM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 21, 04:17 PM 2013
Thanks...  I will try and ask you to read quotes that say Steps  so far only 4..Go in order..

If you still don't follow... I will try a different method...

Its worse than that......to do what? What am I reading them for?
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: TwoCatSam on Dec 21, 04:36 PM 2013
I understand the sheets.
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Badger on Dec 22, 01:51 AM 2013

"Can anyone comment as to what they see in these number's?

1 7 12 19 25 30 37."


I would say that they are positions on the wheel.
6 sectors of 6 numbers each?
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 22, 07:02 AM 2013
Quote from: Badger on Dec 22, 01:51 AM 2013
"Can anyone comment as to what they see in these number's?

1 7 12 19 25 30 37."


I would say that they are positions on the wheel.
6 sectors of 6 numbers each?

Close... 
1 + 6 =    7.   6
7 + 5 =  12.   5
12 + 7 = 19.  7
19 + 6 = 25.   6
25  + 5 = 30.  5
30 + 7 = 37    7.
37 + ?  = ?..

For some of us, this is natural.  When we see number's we look at them in 5-6 different ways...  This is like a TREND.
If I were to guess the next number would have been 43.

At this stage,  I can't be sure what with Sam's number's..  There are a couple of variables that I don't know yet.

1).. Is he giving me number's from an RNG.
2).. Is he giving me number's from a LIVE DEALER
Or Has he made up the 200 number's that he will give me..

From both the sheets you have to look and see if the gaps are following any pattern.  This takes years of practice.  If you don't know the wheel like you know your alphabet's, it's a long process....

From Sams number's :  My next bet would be on ODD...  It's too early for me to bet the farm yet..I know there is one repeat..

Sam:  Give us the next number...


Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 22, 07:07 AM 2013
STEP 5:

My Next Bet would be ODD.   I am betting an Even Chance for 2 reasons..  0.10  is an amount you should be able to afford to lose and main reason for betting ODD is I don't get thrown out for inactivity online.

Sam I will take the next number.
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 22, 07:28 AM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 22, 07:07 AM 2013
STEP 5:

My Next Bet would be ODD.   I am betting an Even Chance for 2 reasons..  0.10  is an amount you should be able to afford to lose and main reason for betting ODD is I don't get thrown out for inactivity online.

Sam I will take the next number.

Even I missed this:  If I have time I would change my bet from Odd to low...

25 -> H.
7, 1, 11, 6, 3, -> L
25 -> H
?

I would try and follow the Low..  I missed this...
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 22, 07:56 AM 2013
For those of you that think I am blowing GAS from my rear end:

I shouldn't be doing this...

This was Either May or July ->  07/05/2012

Hello Azim,

Thank you for your response.

You are welcome to develop and improve your program. You don't have to send it to us with every change that you make. Simply put, we are reserving the right to reclassify your program if we have concerns or our policies change in the future.


Regards,

Jackson
PokerStars Game Security Team


Any one of you can go and verify this with Poker Stars..
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: teo on Dec 22, 11:16 AM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 22, 07:56 AM 2013
For those of you that think I am blowing GAS from my rear end:

I wouldn't think so,rather from your packing mind.
Fourth day since this thread open and nothing happened,
except guessing what the preaching mind will teach us and
giving self glorify attribute....Where you been all those years
so I could become a mill.also....what a brilliant mind..
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Turner on Dec 22, 12:17 PM 2013
Quote from: teo on Dec 22, 11:16 AM 2013

For those of you that think I am blowing GAS from my rear end:

I wouldn't think so,rather from your packing mind.
Fourth day since this thread open and nothing happened,
except guessing what the preaching mind will teach us and
giving self glorify attribute....Where you been all those years
so I could become a mill.also....what a brilliant mind..

It called "creating an audience"

The audience is collected and created before the product is presented....hoping the audience will get into a frenzy and make bad judgement (buy it) based on the clever marketing.

In marketing, they are called "teaser campaigns"

I am not suggesting this post is a pre-sale in any way, shape or form....I am just talking in general terms....I just don't like the format

I'm not keen on this "teaser" approach, and in my experience (not just in this forum) it generally leads to something you didn't expect, want or need.
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: ego on Dec 22, 01:10 PM 2013

Turner with my experience so does this kind of topics end up with garbage.
I have never seen a method that you can buy for money to perform better then free stuff.
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 22, 02:40 PM 2013
Quote from: teo on Dec 22, 11:16 AM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 22, 07:56 AM 2013
For those of you that think I am blowing GAS from my rear end:

I wouldn't think so,rather from your packing mind.
Fourth day since this thread open and nothing happened,
except guessing what the preaching mind will teach us and
giving self glorify attribute....Where you been all those years
so I could become a mill.also....what a brilliant mind..

I don't have to answer to where I been that's too personal... 
I don't know you to answer that. You not feeding me either...

BTW...  Can you tell me how long it take's the general population to learn the alphabet?

I ain't running away,  I will stop. 
I just found myself with 2-3 weeks of free time.

Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 22, 03:25 PM 2013
Quote from: ego on Dec 22, 01:10 PM 2013
Turner with my experience so does this kind of topics end up with garbage.
I have never seen a method that you can buy for money to perform better then free stuff.

Read....  I have said...  Everything is free...  you don't have to buy anything....
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 22, 03:27 PM 2013
Quote from: Turner on Dec 22, 12:17 PM 2013
It called "creating an audience"

The audience is collected and created before the product is presented....hoping the audience will get into a frenzy and make bad judgement (buy it) based on the clever marketing.

In marketing, they are called "teaser campaigns"

I am not suggesting this post is a pre-sale in any way, shape or form....I am just talking in general terms....I just don't like the format

I'm not keen on this "teaser" approach, and in my experience (not just in this forum) it generally leads to something you didn't expect, want or need.


Read.... I have given you all  links...   ITS FREE...  I SAID YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY ANYTHING..
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: teo on Dec 22, 03:30 PM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 22, 02:40 PM 2013
I don't have to answer to where I been that's too personal...  nobody asked you that..yet you are hinting...who cares.
I don't know you to answer that. You not feeding me either...

by the way...  Can you tell me how long it take's the general population to learn the alphabet?
That's your main problem...thinking most people.here are newbies and here come you
to survive them,but not aware here are some real pro players....so don't fool yourself any longer.

I ain't running away,  I will stop.You would do yourself a favour doing that. 
I just found myself with 2-3 weeks of free time.
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 22, 03:47 PM 2013
Quote from: teo on Dec 22, 11:16 AM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 22, 07:56 AM 2013
For those of you that think I am blowing GAS from my rear end:

I wouldn't think so,rather from your packing mind.
Fourth day since this thread open and nothing happened,
except guessing what the preaching mind will teach us and
giving self glorify attribute....Where you been all those years
so I could become a mill.also....what a brilliant mind..

Once again.... READ TEO!!!!
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 22, 03:49 PM 2013
Quote from: teo on Dec 22, 03:30 PM 2013


I did say before I started...  I am not offending anyone...  I want you to forget for a bit that you know anything about ROULETTE...


ONCE AGAIN READ.....
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 22, 03:52 PM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 20, 09:18 PM 2013
Sam,
Honestly you want to go through this process with 37 numbers... Fine by me..

I am going to say to you all before I start.. I DO NOT INTEND TO OFFEND ANYBODY..  I AM TREATING YOU ALL AS NEW ROULETTE PLAYERS WITH NO PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE. YOU WILL HAVE TO FORGET FOR A WHILE THAT YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT ROULETTE.

But remember it will really become a very long process with 37 numbers and I am sure people will have questions...
I don't want to be tied to this after 3 weeks..  I might become busy and may not answer..  I don't want to be accused of not showing..  That's why I have posted all the material...

The reason Why I choose 12-13 was 12 would have become a non-zero table and 13 would be a zero table..  Each dozen would have 4 numbers and each column would have 3 numbers..And we would have done a payout of 12:1  and not 36:1

Any ways let's start..
I have a request for you Sam, Write down min 75 maximum No limit winning numbers.  Zip them up and password protect it..
Give me the first 7 numbers from it.
After we have gone through the process reveal the password for everyone to see..

I trust you, but It's just playing it safe.  Is that fair?
I will only take numbers from you.. We will give everyone time to respond..
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Turner on Dec 22, 03:52 PM 2013
Azim....I suggest you read too

I said I am not suggesting this post is a pre-sale in any way, shape or form.
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: teo on Dec 22, 04:12 PM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 22, 03:47 PM 2013
Once again.... READ TEO!!!!

Man...you are not aware that you insulting me....read what?????
The nonsense that only youthink it is worth....which shows me how much you
know about matter....Do lock this thread and we/read I/BE VERY HAPPY.

Am giving up,anyhow.....what's the point.Ciao.
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: warrior on Dec 22, 04:49 PM 2013
 :yawn:
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 22, 04:52 PM 2013
Quote from: Turner on Dec 22, 12:17 PM 2013
It called "creating an audience"

The audience is collected and created before the product is presented....hoping the audience will get into a frenzy and make bad judgement (buy it) based on the clever marketing.

In marketing, they are called "teaser campaigns"

I am not suggesting this post is a pre-sale in any way, shape or form....I am just talking in general terms....I just don't like the format

I'm not keen on this "teaser" approach, and in my experience (not just in this forum) it generally leads to something you didn't expect, want or need.
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 23, 06:49 AM 2013
Quote from: Blood Angel on Dec 21, 10:38 AM 2013
Me too. However I have received a copy from Sam. In case I need to be in position to help out on here.

Blood Angel,  I haven't heard from Sam.

If you all want me to carry on, you can give me the next number.

I am not and will not runaway from people who think otherwise..
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: teo on Dec 23, 08:09 AM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 23, 06:49 AM 2013
Blood Angel,  I haven't heard from Sam


????????-Wonder why????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 23, 08:28 AM 2013
Quote from: teo on Dec 23, 08:09 AM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 23, 06:49 AM 2013
Blood Angel,  I haven't heard from Sam


????????-Wonder why????? :LoL: :LoL: :LoL: :-\ :-\ :-\

Last time I checked he, hasn't been on since his last post on this thread...
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 23, 08:29 AM 2013
Quote from: teo on Dec 23, 08:09 AM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 23, 06:49 AM 2013
Blood Angel,  I haven't heard from Sam


????????-Wonder why????? :LoL: :LoL: :LoL: :-\ :-\ :-\


I wonder why you still looking at this thread?

Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Blood Angel on Dec 23, 02:09 PM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 23, 06:49 AM 2013
Blood Angel,  I haven't heard from Sam.

If you all want me to carry on, you can give me the next number.

.

Hi Azim,

You have just had the first 7 numbers correct? (don't want to mess this up)
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 23, 02:33 PM 2013
Quote from: Blood Angel on Dec 23, 02:09 PM 2013
Hi Azim,

You have just had the first 7 numbers correct? (don't want to mess this up)

Yes.. 
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Blood Angel on Dec 23, 02:34 PM 2013
Okay, the next number out is

6
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 23, 03:26 PM 2013
Thank you...6 is my next number..-> 25,7,1,111,6,3,25->  Like I said  I missed seeing the High low trend.. If I was allowed to change my bet, it would have to go on low.. The number was 6.

This tells me that the trend is still on...

"I am sorry",  we all know when people trade in the stock market, they don't go out blindly and buy stocks..
They analyse the number's and crunch them out in all directions..

25->7    24.(You can go clockwise on the wheel and see the gaps..)
7 ->1    29.
1  ->11  28.
11 ->6   33.
6 -> 3   25.
3  -> 25   9. Our first repeat.
25 ->6     3 Our Second repeat...

However..  If you follow the above and look at the Even Chances..  Even chances are repeating..  this has repeated twice in 8 spins now.. 

Now you all will think this is a coinsidence..  Remember i said mark 25 as your starting point.. at that point we had 24 gaps based on the 29-> hetting [9]->  24 gaps  can go with a trend of 4,14,24,34,,,  we also know the trend is going low, odd and red... lets look at 4,14,24,34  starting from number 6 on the wheel....

we get 11, 20, 35 and 25->  we know 11 and 25 have hit...between gaps we know the gaps are unique..

At this point to confirm my thinking..  I would bet the following:

11,25,35,20  with 2 units.
36,30,2,17,3,12,1,14-> with 1 unit...  Even though I know the trend Low odd, red...6 low number's , 4 low red, 3 low odd.
This are the neighbors to cover my investment on the 4 main number's...

Questions..  Shoot...

To try my first observation:  I will risk 16 units...

2 units on 11,25,35,20...
1 unit on   36,30,2,17,3,12,1, and 14...

Before someone gives me the next number...  any questions?



 
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 23, 04:20 PM 2013
I am not sure if I have seen it here or not... Can someone please try and remember if they have seen a system:

The person was observing for ->  ROH, ROL, BOH, BOL...  Something along those lines...

The number's that I am been given, watching for the above trend can be useful, if you can catch a glimpse of that too.

If you have seen it or remember it.. Could you please ask whoever can change the second post of mine, and add that link in there ..  or post it here for everyone to see..  I am looking for it and can't find it...
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 23, 04:34 PM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 23, 03:26 PM 2013
Thank you...6 is my next number..-> 25,7,1,111,6,3,25->  Like I said  I missed seeing the High low trend.. If I was allowed to change my bet, it would have to go on low.. The number was 6.

This tells me that the trend is still on...

"I am sorry",  we all know when people trade in the stock market, they don't go out blindly and buy stocks..
They analyse the number's and crunch them out in all directions..

25->7    24.(You can go clockwise on the wheel and see the gaps..)
7 ->1    29.
1  ->11  28.
11 ->6   33.
6 -> 3   25.
3  -> 25   9. Our first repeat.
25 ->6     3 Our Second repeat...

However..  If you follow the above and look at the Even Chances..  Even chances are repeating..  this has repeated twice in 8 spins now.. 

Now you all will think this is a coinsidence..  Remember i said mark 25 as your starting point.. at that point we had 24 gaps based on the 29-> hetting [9]->  24 gaps  can go with a trend of 4,14,24,34,,,  we also know the trend is going low, odd and red... lets look at 4,14,24,34  starting from number 6 on the wheel....

Sorry forgot to add something to the few lines below...
we get 11, 20, 35 and 25->  we know 11 and 25 have hit...between gaps we know the gaps are unique..
25  can become a hot number... we have seen 8 spins and 2 25's have already hit..  we are also looking at betting 25...



At this point to confirm my thinking..  I would bet the following:

11,25,35,20  with 2 units.
36,30,2,17,3,12,1,14-> with 1 unit...  Even though I know the trend Low odd, red...6 low number's , 4 low red, 3 low odd.
This are the neighbors to cover my investment on the 4 main number's...

Questions..  Shoot...

To try my first observation:  I will risk 16 units...

2 units on 11,25,35,20...
1 unit on   36,30,2,17,3,12,1, and 14...

Before someone gives me the next number...  any questions?




Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 24, 07:36 AM 2013
Quote from: teo on Dec 22, 11:16 AM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 22, 07:56 AM 2013
For those of you that think I am blowing GAS from my rear end:

I wouldn't think so,rather from your packing mind.
Fourth day since this thread open and nothing happened,
except guessing what the preaching mind will teach us and
giving self glorify attribute....Where you been all those years
so I could become a mill.also....what a brilliant mind..

Certain events in life happen for a reason... That's why you meet different people at different times.


If nothing has happened and I am wasting your time, why look at this thread?

Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 24, 08:17 AM 2013
WOW!!!!!

Last night I spent a good time reading on this...
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0
Originally I had just glimpsed through it...  But when BudskiiHD  claimed it wiped him out..  Made me curious as to what the PROFESSOR had missed.
After reading the above thread, THE PROFESSOR himself going through everyone's spins...
All the effort he has put through it...All the explaining and showing he has done.

I don't think I can do any better...

SORRY ALL...


All I will say please read the above.. He has given you all the theory behind the number's..

Why we see repeaters, why we see sleepers..  and to sum it all up.. He has even shown you by explaining what to look for.

His method is the best.Please note I have called it a method.  It's not a system.  you only need 1 piece of paper and a pen...  Don't need anything else..Don't even care what the wheel layout is..0 or 00.

It's even better it's a flat betting system.. 

Since 2009  I know the thread is of 2008..  Let's do the math.. 

The professor said 50 units on an investment of 200.  2009-2013.  5yrs.. 300(days instead of 365) x 5(yrs) X 50 units

That's  75000 units if my math is correct..  Where will we ever get a return like that?

If you can't win with that...  Guy's (sorry for saying this) you have no LUCK in playing roulette or you doing something wrong..

However,  I will end on this note..  If you have any questions or don't understand anything on that thread, need clarification.. Please don't hesitate to ask...

I will help...anyone who want's to learn that...
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 24, 08:25 AM 2013
MERRY X-MAS  and a HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL..
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 24, 08:36 AM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 24, 08:17 AM 2013
WOW!!!!!

Last night I spent a good time reading on this...
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0
Originally I had just glimpsed through it...  But when BudskiiHD  claimed it wiped him out..  Made me curious as to what the PROFESSOR had missed.
After reading the above thread, THE PROFESSOR himself going through everyone's spins...
All the effort he has put through it...All the explaining and showing he has done.

I don't think I can do any better...

SORRY ALL...


All I will say please read the above.. He has given you all the theory behind the number's..

Why we see repeaters, why we see sleepers..  and to sum it all up.. He has even shown you by explaining what to look for.

His method is the best.Please note I have called it a method.  It's not a system.  you only need 1 piece of paper and a pen...  Don't need anything else..Don't even care what the wheel layout is..0 or 00.

It's even better it's a flat betting system.The betting is a system. 

Since 2009  I know the thread is of 2008..  Let's do the math.. 

The professor said 50 units on an investment of 200.  2009-2013.  5yrs.. 300(days instead of 365) x 5(yrs) X 50 units

That's  75000 units if my math is correct..  Where will we ever get a return like that?

If you can't win with that...  Guy's (sorry for saying this) you have no LUCK in playing roulette or you doing something wrong..

However,  I will end on this note..  If you have any questions or don't understand anything on that thread, need clarification.. Please don't hesitate to ask...

I will help...anyone who want's to learn that...
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 25, 02:46 AM 2013
Here is where I was going with this..  Here it's already on the forum. I wasn't inventing anything.

Look at the way I was trying to explain, look at the professors explanation.

I am not here to draw audience.

link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=13004.0
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 25, 03:53 AM 2013
When I first joined this forum. If I am not mistaken I asked this in one of the threads..

link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=5108.0#top

I had dedicated this holidays to give you all something to make money from the game you all love.
After the last few days.. Looking at the information that has been provided by the professor, there is no monetary value to this.
It's priceless.

I am going to be honest and say this, the tide has changed, instead of me giving you all a gift,  I THANK YOU ALL.

YOU ALL HAVE GIVEN ME A NICE GIFT.

PLEASE READ EACH AND EVERY POST OF THE PROFESSOR.  HE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB FOR THOSE WHO LOVE TO PLAY ROULETTE.

Once again this is coming from a very honest person, I said this before I wasn't and I am not here to scam you all.

Ausguy:  I don't expect an apology from you. I am sorry if I have offended you in any way. 

Teo:  I am sorry to you too.  I probably got emotional with my remarks.

BudskiiHD: I THANK YOU FOR STOPPING BY.  IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU, I WOULDN'T HAVE GOT THE GIFT I GOT.
I HOPE YOU CAN SOLVE YOUR ISSUES.

Once again,  I am not leaving this forum unless asked too.

I never intended to undermine any of your ability.  However I will say this. If any of you need any help in understanding any of the PROFESSORS thread, I will gladly help.

Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Turner on Dec 25, 07:51 AM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 25, 03:53 AM 2013
When I first joined this forum. If I am not mistaken I asked this in one of the threads..

link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=5108.0#top

I had dedicated this holidays to give you all something to make money from the game you all love.
After the last few days.. Looking at the information that has been provided by the professor, there is no monetary value to this.
It's priceless.

I am going to be honest and say this, the tide has changed, instead of me giving you all a gift,  I THANK YOU ALL.

YOU ALL HAVE GIVEN ME A NICE GIFT.

PLEASE READ EACH AND EVERY POST OF THE PROFESSOR.  HE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB FOR THOSE WHO LOVE TO PLAY ROULETTE.

Once again this is coming from a very honest person, I said this before I wasn't and I am not here to scam you all.

Ausguy:  I don't expect an apology from you. I am sorry if I have offended you in any way. 

Teo:  I am sorry to you too.  I probably got emotional with my remarks.

BudskiiHD: I THANK YOU FOR STOPPING BY.  IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU, I WOULDN'T HAVE GOT THE GIFT I GOT.
I HOPE YOU CAN SOLVE YOUR ISSUES.

Once again,  I am not leaving this forum unless asked too.

I never intended to undermine any of your ability.  However I will say this. If any of you need any help in understanding any of the PROFESSORS thread, I will gladly help.

Ok....your integrity intact...let me say this.

its all over the place. its not easy to read.

You may be getting something that others dont. Write it out here, the method, in one post.

Pull it all together here so we can look at it.

Personally, I cant follow all this flitting about.
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Azim on Dec 25, 09:30 AM 2013
Turner and @all...

Here:  Read the first 3-4 posts only from here, link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0. if you have any questions.  I will answer..

If you understand it, go further in..
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Turner on Dec 25, 01:44 PM 2013
Quote from: Azim on Dec 25, 09:30 AM 2013
Turner and @all...

Here:  Read the first 3-4 posts only from here, link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0. if you have any questions.  I will answer..

If you understand it, go further in..
Its GUT?....Ive studied this.
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: marvin on Jan 15, 01:27 AM 2014
Where is the next number? O0r
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 15, 03:16 AM 2014
Quote from: Turner on Dec 25, 01:44 PM 2013
Its GUT?....I've studied this.
Gut is that gut feeling ?
Title: Re: "Giving Back"
Post by: Turner on Jan 15, 04:34 AM 2014
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 15, 03:16 AM 2014
Gut is that gut feeling ?
Great universal theory by winkel. Azim is siscussing it in the orher post