Well now...this is an EC-method. I can say it works, how well it will work time will tell. What I wish to say to the forum moderators here (iggiv) I don't want to be discriminated in this forum. Not allowing me to post in the main forum is a ridicolous threat. I've listened to the critics and i've done more testing before I post anything, from now on...
This is not a new method.
Trigger: wait for one EC not hit for 5 spins. Bet that EC, with progression.
For those who do not believe in progressions, what can i say? For this method a progression is necessary. And let's calculate with the worst kind of scenario: -12 EC repeats. This would be a seven step progression: 1-2-4-8-16-32-64-(128 This would cover 13 EC repeats).
and how often do 12 EC repeats happen? you tell me...
second run (livespins);
I expect -12 ECs occurs roughly every 128 spins, therefore wiping out profits
BW
Really? as you can see in the charts i did 700 spins, and that didn't happen once
third run
Come on,
Surely you know the drill by now -
Make a system
Show some upward graphs
Realise it loses
Apologise for the wasted effort
Repeat
Ignatus, if u don't understand my English language i am telling you again. As long as you post as anybody else without flooding this forum and disturbing others with filling up main boards only by yourself -- i don't mind. If u start filling it up with your threads only so after a while only your threads can be seen here one after another (and other threads are lost in the past eventually because of yours) -- you will be banned for each thread for one day. For the beginning. And if you keep arguing with Mod -- it's gonna be worse.
I thought you understood. so i don't mind against this thread now -- it's OK with others. But don't forget that your are not better and not worse than the others -- then everything is gonna be OK. But you forget about it sometimes and think that main board is FOR YOU ONLY.
and that's a mistake. And i will try to help making this forum readable and normal for everyone.
Ignatus, and that's a last time i told u that.
Next time you start flooding the main board with one thread after another -- you gonna get banned for a while. you are stubborn and don't like to listen to anyone but yourself. How many times did i have to explain those simple things? I warned you, next time don't say i didn't.
I come with facts. and still you want to argue and put me down? The results are obvious... that you have some personal agenda against me is not my problem, it's yours.
Are you kidding?
Wait for an EC not to hit for 5 spins then bet a martingale progression for 8 steps?
After all your messing around with this game that's what you bring to the table?
People, this guy is a wind up for sure.
Norman Bates the second...
no, im not kidding, and what is your problem Skakus? i have done over 1300 spins....and i haven't busted yet as you can see...
Isn't this everyone's first system?
At least he's waiting for 5 losses I suppose lol
I dont think Ignatus is the only one putting system on the forum that will sink...
But any way...i tested it with +8000 live DB spins ... i have seen worser systems...
Ignatus...I wont be rude.
This is basic learning. Of course its winning now. How long do think the martingale has been going?...so why are there so many other progressions?. Thats because martingale is an explosion....and not a slow one.
Why is there a theory called RTM? Whats it built up to and regressing back down to?
Ill tell you.
Its yoir disaster waiting to happen. If 12 ec dont show in a row...why are there RGM ideas?
Buffs stat is right and wrong.
Probability is Buffs stat not variance
Variance is 12 1 12 3 10.
It happens. Ive seen it.
You dont see 12 in a row every few hundred spins
You see 12 in a row averaging every few hundred spins within millions of spins
You have to know stray cats can scratch you, first, before you know not to stroke stray cats
Thank you Buffalowizard for testing.
yes, ofcourse it's a risk playing with martingale. i've tried +1/-1 progression also with random numbers, but random cannot be trusted, i believe playing live is best.
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 18, 04:08 AM 2014
I come with facts. and still you want to argue and put me down? The results are obvious... that you have some personal agenda against me is not my problem, it's yours.
Are you either of this kind of person ignatus ?
1. You were never told "No" as a kid & are never wrong......
2. Your IQ is about 189 your a genius but have zero social skills like Dr.Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory?
Because if you keep on poking the Bear (iggiv in this case) with the comments quoted above he WILL bite back.....
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I don't need this kind of gossip (i know you love it) but please try to keep to the topic here.
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 18, 09:40 AM 2014
I don't need this kind of gossip (i know you love it) but please try to keep to the topic here.
as you wish, everything all the other guys have posted will be proved correct.
O0
I may make this post a template to save time later on ;)
Quote from: ddarko on Jan 18, 09:53 AM 2014
as you wish, everything all the other guys have posted will be proved correct.
yes, and then you forgot to take a look at BW results. mine also, i have done over 2000 spins now, not busted so far.
more tests (from livespins):
Your using a marty progression mate, it's doomed from the start for that reason alone.....
Not for the first time, try flat betting & looking for a reason WHY your bet selection should work ;)
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Just tested 10.000 spins for fun. I hope you get it, Ignatus.
ok, im defeated. Thanks folks, i tried and i failed yet another time....if there is anything to "save" this method then is to figure out a stoploss and another progression, if possible. i haven't tried flatbetting, but i doubt that would work
Ignatus, i have nothing personally against you. You are not better and not worse than anyone. I am trying to help keep here more or less order, and you with your flooding threads you tend to disturb this order causing complaints of the members of the forum when they start to see your threads only. So we agreed that you post most of your numerous threads in notepad, and you were OK with that. Now you start arguing again.
Ignatus, if u keep arguing and messing with the order of this forum --- i will start banning you, i am warning you. You already built yourself some kind of reputation here, so everyone knows that i have no personal issues with u and the problem is with your personality only.
And i try to as nice as possible, but sometimes i have no choice but reacting.
I would not react at all if i did not get signals from some members of the forum.
alright
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 18, 10:25 AM 2014
ok, I'm defeated. Thanks folks, i tried and i failed yet another time....if there is anything to "save" this method then is to figure out a stoploss and another progression, if possible. i haven't tried flatbetting, but i doubt that would work
I wasn't saying flat betting would work with this method, I was saying the general..... ;)
Believe it or not members here are trying to help you. No doubt they get frustrated when you don't listen and that's why you get the odd arsey reply.
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& BTW your not defeated, you lost a battle not the war...... 8)
Ignaus i hope very much that we understood each other and there will be no need for harsher means. Thank you. As long as you
think about others (not only about yourself getting attention) -- it's gonna be all right.
Ignatus...keep trying mate.
I just cant believe you would entertain a marty on the hope a large series wont happen. Its the first thing you syart to realise. You have had time to gain these basic understandings....and you havnt had to do it alone. Lots of advice frompeople has been shared with you.
Thats what I dont get
yes, thank you all for the advices and testings. ofcourse i make mistakes, like everyother human, but when it comes to roulette i can be very naive and stubborn sometimes,yes... now atleast i have rx,so, more testings can be done. but i haven't learned how to program it yet
you don't have to program it. Try to beat roulette on short runs, no thousands spins in a row. And sometimes you did get some smart ideas but you abandon them right away and start with new ones.
Roulette is unbeatable on a long run, remember this. Good luck.
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 18, 11:18 AM 2014
yes, thank you all for the advices and testings. ofcourse i make mistakes, like everyother human, but when it comes to roulette i can be very naive and stubborn sometimes,yes... now atleast i have rx,so, more testings can be done. but i haven't learned how to program it yet
Spike/Cheese on more than one occasion stated "keep it simple silly"
I like this statement :) you cannot program in RX fair enough I doubt many of us can, but you can still test. Although it maybe slower testing "by hand" on RX it would prepare you better for playing your method at a B&M casino would it not ?
Every cloud has a silver lining....... ;)
Also I only ever test per 100 spin sessions, why test 1000 spins sessions when you wouldn't be able to sit at a table that long anyway ?
But my bot can run for 1000's of spins ?
Well that's great ;) keep on taking small amounts from on-line casino's OR get off your arse n play for way way bigger amounts at a B&M casino :thumbsup:
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Ive only managed to program rx by adjusting what someone else programmed. I would not be able to function without rx. Its by far the best piece of software I ever bought with respect to usage.
Like I said Ignatus....keep going. We will keep you honest....even if it may seem we are having a go at the time.
Its written in my signature if you dont believe me.
Alright, thanks
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 18, 11:22 AM 2014
you don't have to program it. Try to beat roulette on short runs, no thousands spins in a row. And sometimes you did get some smart ideas but you abandon them right away and start with new ones.
Roulette is unbeatable on a long run, remember this. Good luck.
iggiv what defines along run, say 60 spins?
it's all relative. but i personally would not play even more than 10 spins in a row. Not sure even about 10. Then leave it for a while.
or you can play just a couple of spins then leave and come back after say 10 spins. then again leave for maybe 20 spins.
not playing many spins in a row anyway. Roulette kills any strategies on a long run. If you wanna play for 1000 spins with one spin
then make a break of 10 spins, such a strategy is also doomed. Roulette kills anything consistent. that's a fact. you can hope to defeat it sometimes, not more than this.
Anyway many people don't agree with it and say that winning strategy is gonna win on a long run. That's against laws or probability.
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 18, 05:54 PM 2014
it's all relative. but i personally would not play even more than 10 spins in a row. Not sure even about 10. Then leave it for a while.
or you can play just a couple of spins then leave and come back after say 10 spins. then again leave for maybe 20 spins.
not playing many spins in a row anyway. Roulette kills any strategies on a long run. If you wanna play for 1000 spins with one spin
then make a break of 10 spins, such a strategy is also doomed. Roulette kills anything consistent. that's a fact. you can hope to defeat it sometimes, not more than this.
Anyway many people don't agree with it and say that winning strategy is gonna win on a long run. That's against laws or probability.
The strategy will win. WHAT WON"T WIN IS HUMAN GREED!!! Everyone of us has it. One way or another. Everyone including myself when i am testing too, we all say 1 more win and I am out. YUP WE ARE OUT!!!!
OK
Ignatus
here is one for you to test.
watch smart live, get ten spins, back these ten for next ten spins. Now back the new ten spins,so on. That's why i asked Iggiv what is a long run, ten sounds good.
Looked at this on smart live 18.1.14, 12.00am till 6am ( taped it). Result did not loose in twenty blocks of ten's,
it can be much more complicated than just skip and play certain fixed amount of spins. And i did not mean to say that anything is gonna win with hit-n-run. What i want to say that certain things can have better chances with it. Well, i don't wanna go deeper into it due to lack of time and the fact that some people are for some reason furious and obsessed with this subject. This subject used to cause troubles and quarrels and i try to avoid it. And i don't try to pretend to be the wisest guy here.
All i am saying is this: try to use what i said, compare results. Maybe it will help u. Maybe not. But turn on your logic and common sense.
Which finally is supposed to tell you that on a long run roulette is unbeatable (unless u have a physical advantage over a certain wheel or wheels). So if it is unbeatable on a long run, try to beat it on short runs. Don't go for "everything or nothing" like guys searching for HGs.
Be happy with just a little bit within a short amount of time or u will have no chance to stand this game.
Just back from Ladbrookes, Ignatus. these were the 52 spins rng. we're just backing the last tenspins,
3,
6,
23,
6
16
0
36
21
1
31
16
23
9
24
25
4
8
13
28
22
29
32
13
28
16
33
27
35
18
28
33
18
11
13
28
13
2
24
17
25
34
23
30
28
30
35
36
25
29
4
8
12
So a hit each block of ten. Dont know what it wins as was doing other bets, but won 15.80 for my 30 minuets.
so this would be hit n run?
Granpaa won first two triggers, but lost trigger4/8, took 16 to hit,unless there's a prog: that could go that far or more. Other triggers hit thou. Wonder what waahome would make of it
I'm too high to understand what you mean 8) do more test and you'll see if it works... finding new triggers, there you have endless creative work. cheers
hammer, when you bet each 10 spins, you are creating additional consistent patterns of your game, which roulette hates (or loves to defeat for that matter). Make it more "unpredictable" like now you skip 10, next time 15, then 8, then leave a table for 20 spins...
That's my 2 cents about it.
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 19, 01:18 PM 2014
hammer, when you bet each 10 spins, you are creating additional consistent patterns of your game, which roulette hates (or loves to defeat for that matter). Make it more "unpredictable" like now you skip 10, next time 15, then 8, then leave a table for 20 spins...
That's my 2 cents about it.
iggiv, trust me, skipping random spins doesnt make any difference.
@RouletteMaster >> I deleted a couple more of your past posts. Have a good day.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Jan 19, 10:40 PM 2014
@RouletteMaster >> I deleted a couple more of your past posts. Have a good day.
Ken
Any specific reason Ken?
nottophammer: take a look at this thread, link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12656.0 i didn't continue with this experiment, but perhaps i should have?
"Any specific reason Ken?" >>> We will not have the......."you cant win" and "show me your edge" posts.
If you feel methods are a waste of your time (and I do respect that), there are other boards for you. Have a great day.
Ken
we'll agree to disagree on this. You are not the first and not the last. Hopefully we won't turn this into religious wars like some other people did. One guy, enormously obsessed with the subject, tried even to talk Steve into kicking me out of Mods because he did not agree with me on this
;D
thank you for your opinion.
Quote from: RouletteMaster on Jan 19, 09:28 PM 2014
iggiv, trust me, skipping random spins doesn't make any difference.
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 20, 02:50 PM 2014
we'll agree to disagree on this. You are not the first and not the last. Hopefully we won't turn this into religious wars like some other people did. One guy, enormously obsessed with the subject, tried even to talk Steve into kicking me out of Mods because he did not agree with me on this
;D
thank you for your opinion.
Im not sure my self anymore having studied personal permanence.
"The only numbers that count are the numbers you play".The start of looking deeper into this came after a conversation with you actually Iggiv.....and since then I see no difference with a straight set of numbers and a series of joined up numbers from here and there. They just seem to pass the same tests and are just...random.
Im not here or there with it really.
I dont say "dont do this" or "doing that is rubbish"
Im just not convinced it makes any difference either way.
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 20, 02:50 PM 2014
we'll agree to disagree on this.
No problems mate. Random is random. We cannot categorize any betselection as static or dynamic. There are bet selections that will definitely work. And I am into carefully selecting bets and am not saying that play randomly. I play lots of betselection a in this forum. One example is playing a number in the street which has not spun when the other two has come. At times it works at times they don't. These bet selections help us organize and do not stray around when playing. Playing few spins at a time helps us relax and play with fresh mind. But that's about it.
All am saying is there is nothing static or dynamic. Everything is random.
and i am saying that NOT EVERYTHING IS PURELY RANDOM. On a long run it is all random, on shorter runs it may be not. but looking exactly like random on surface. These things are very well hidden, they are NOT OBVIOUS, they are not on surface to see for everyone.
So if you wanna defeat roulette on a long run without physical advantage over it -- it is impossible task. On short runs it's possible though.
And thank you again for being tolerant to my opinion. And i thank Turner for a nice way to disagree as well. :D
I like the way this forum works recently -- not like it was some time ago when normal things i was saying were backfiring on me and some even wanted to shut me up saying that Mod has no right to disagree with anyone on roulette questions because he will be biased and unprofessional because of this.
Quote from: iggiv link=topic=13805.msg118740#msg118740 date
that Mod has no right to disagree with anyone on roulette questions because he will be biased and nprofessional because of this.
Oh. I didn't know I had that card in my pack :)
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 20, 06:10 PM 2014
and i am saying that NOT EVERYTHING IS PURELY RANDOM. On a long run it is all random, on shorter runs it may be not. but looking exactly like random on surface. These things are very well hidden, they are NOT OBVIOUS, they are not on surface to see for everyone.
So if you wanna defeat roulette on a long run without physical advantage over it -- it is impossible task. On short runs it's possible though.
And thank you again for being tolerant to my opinion. And i thank Turner for a nice way to disagree as well. :D
I like the way this forum works recently -- not like it was some time ago when normal things i was saying were backfiring on me and some even wanted to shut me up saying that Mod has no right to disagree with anyone on roulette questions because he will be biased and unprofessional because of this.
Quite the contrary Iggiv. Your opinion made me go and have a look for myself....Everyone is a Teacher.
Listen, nothing is right or wrong.
As soon as you say Yes or No, you limit your self to the truth. The truth can sometimes be a mixture of the Left and the Right.
Just my view
LOL. That card was not very good, because the guy was kicked out of the forum, he was real pain in the xxx. Was banned quite a few times, then coming back under new nicks. Some other people just got back to normal ways after that. You know sometimes u gotta react, being always nice is not always working. Some people are taking being nice as your weakness.
Quote from: RouletteMaster on Jan 20, 05:54 PM 2014
By the way I play 14-16 hr on an average every day. 4-5 hours in the ladbrokes rmg down my home, 4-5 hrs in the ritz casino and a couple of hours online.
WoW so just to re-cap you spend 4-5 hours in Ladbrokes where I think the max bet is £100 per spin then 4-5 hours in the Ritz Casino which is £1,000 membership per year ?
talk about two ends of the spectrum.......
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Quote from: ddarko on Jan 20, 06:47 PM 2014
WoW so just to re-cap you spend 4-5 hours in Ladbrokes where I think the max bet is £100 per spin then 4-5 hours in the Ritz Casino which is £1,000 membership per year ?
talk about two ends of the spectrum.......
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So is life. I have built my life ground up and I come from India settled in UK. I like those comforts of evening tea at mandarin oriental, but would go any length to buy a tea and from a roadside chaiwala(tea shop). I also do betting and I find it better to mingle with folks sitting in the ladbroles shop. Yes I do 20p betting there and the max winnings from the machine is 500pounds :). Ritz is a different atmosphere. Both are all about sozializing but at different levels.
Iggiv,
Ladbrokes, it doesn't matter whether you win or lose. No one notices if you take a 100_200 coupon from the machines to the till for collection. Ritz it doesn't matter. They are too scared to do anything that will do harm to their name. Morever, more than 70% of people meet are their for fun and hence the business is good. So no harm done.
The problem I face is with the online ones. I have been banned in a couple of places. The most notable one is williamhill. Got banned thrice. I am currently playing in BV, supercasino and 888. They are all nice and I try to keep myself to around 3000 mark per casino per month.
thanx for the info bud