Hi,
I've been looking at double streets in columns and how each side
tends to distribute very evenly.
I'll explain.
List the DS's in 2 columns like this:
A B
2 4
3 1
5 2
5 1 etc
So all I was looking for were the repeat one each side,
doesn't matter if they repeat once, twice whatever.
In each 100 spins, I noted how many repeats were on each
column, A and B.
Here are the results:
8/8
7/5
9/10
5/6
6/5
7/6
6/4
5/7
There were maybe another 500 spins where
there were no column had more than 3 more
repeats within 100 spins.
So how can we take advantage of this, that's the
question!
One way is to wait for one column to get a repeat, and then
bet the other column. The longest gap was 19 doing
this.
Any suggestions if there's any other way to exploit this
apparently nice distribution here?
Cheers
A B
4 5
5 4
6 1
2 6
3 2
6 2 Column B is 1-0 up here
6 4 Column A has equalised! 1-1
5 1
4 4
5 6
2 4
6 2
2 3
6 5
5 2
5 3 2-1 to A
4 5
3 6
3 4 3-1
3 2
5 3
2 4
5 5
1 4
3 1
1 2
5 3
1 6
2 6 3-2
5 2
6 2 3-3
6 1 4-3
4 3
3 5
1 1
1 5 5-3
1 5 5-4
6 6
6 4 6-4
1 3
3 5
1 6
1 5 7-4
6 1
5 4
2 3 7-5
5 3
2 3
6 5
1 6
7-5, a difference of 2.
Never seen more than a difference of 3 in a 100 spin session.
Just wish there was a secure bet selection for this
Another session
A B
5 4
2 4 0-1
1 3
4 6
1 4
5 4 0-2
6 3
5 4
6 1
1 4
2 6
2 5 1-2
4 1
1 3
4 1
6 4
3 2
6 6
2 6 1-3
2 6 2-3
4 2
4 5 3-3
4 3
6 4
6 6 4-3
1 6 4-4
3 6
5 4
3 3
3 6 5-4
1 1
2 6
5 5
6 1
2 2
5 5
2 1
4 5
2 2
1 2 5-5
5 1
1 5
4 2
1 5
4 2
2 5
1 1
3 2
1 1
1 6 6-5
I'm thinking maybe wait till one column is in the lead by 2 and then backing the other column to hit - long periods of waiting so may require a bot but seems like a very strong selection
Wiz
When you write
4 5
Is 4 the first DS and 5 the next to come?
Sam
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jan 29, 07:11 PM 2014
I'm thinking maybe wait till one column is in the lead by 2 and then backing the other column to hit - long periods of waiting so may require a bot but seems like a very strong selection
From the sample provided. I was going to say the same wait for a difference of 2 and bet the trailing DS.
Question is would you use progression or wait for 3-4 spins and follow it with flat betting?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 29, 10:53 PM 2014
Wiz
When you write
4 5
Is 4 the first DS and 5 the next to come?
Sam
Yea that's right Sam
Quote from: Azim on Jan 29, 11:55 PM 2014
From the sample provided. I was going to say the same wait for a difference of 2 and bet the trailing DS.
Question is would you use progression or wait for 3-4 spins and follow it with flat betting?
Good point Azim,
I'll do some more tests and see which one works best
I have decided that the best way to play this method is to wait for one column to be 2 ahead of the other and then to bet for a repeat hit in the column that is behind. As in the sample below, this means sometimes only one bet per 100 spins, but it usually is VERY strong. More testing to come.
A B
1 5
1 2 1-0
4 6
5 4
4 2
5 6
6 1
4 5
6 3
3 3 1-1
2 5
5 1
4 4
2 6
3 3
6 5
3 4
3 2 2-1
5 4
3 5
2 1
3 5
6 6
2 1
1 2
3 5
3 5 3-1 Column A hits first to give us the trigger, and we get a hit immediately in column B! 3-2
6 2
5 2 3-3
4 6
3 3
6 2
4 1
3 5
5 3
5 4 4-3
4 6
3 4
6 2
1 4
3 5
5 3
3 3 4-4
3 5 5-4
1 2
4 3
5 3 5-5
4 1
4 2 6-5
6 5
A random.org sample that is quite remarkable and shows that 100 spins can indeed have quite a few triggers too.
Here, you see the power of this trigger. Remember, we're only betting 1 double street, and each time it wins within 6 spins - that isn't to say this is a flat betting method, but it isn't far off!
Never seen quite so many completed outcomes than this.
5 6
5 6 1-0 / 1-1
6 4
1 2
1 3 2-1
3 4
3 3 3-1 TRIGGER
4 3 3-2 WIN
1 3
5 2
5 4 4-2 TRIGGER
3 4 4-3 WIN
5 2
4 6
2 5
2 5 5-3 TRIGGER/ 5-4 WIN wow!
5 4
4 5
6 1
4 3
3 6
4 1
5 2
5 4 6-4 TRIGGER
4 1
5 2
1 6
3 6 6-5 WIN (see how every time, the other column just HAS to try and claw its way back)
3 2 7-5 TRIGGER
4 2 7-6 WIN
6 6
1 3
2 4
4 2
3 2 7-7 (and now it has reached parity)
4 4
2 2
6 2 7-8
6 5 8-8
4 3
4 1 9-8
6 4
1 4 9-9
6 2
1 4
3 2
5 3
2 1
2 5 10-9
3 4
Another session, one win after 8 spins.
Thinking maybe stopping if the other column goes 3 ahead (which it did in this case)
or perhaps stopping after 6 spins and no win.
Then when you get another trigger, you can bet with 2 units, instead of 1.
2 2
1 1
6 6
6 2 1-0
3 6
4 1
2 4
5 1
4 1 1-1
1 4
5 5
1 4
5 4 1-2
3 2
4 3
2 4
5 6
5 4 2-2
5 4 2-3
1 5
3 6
1 4
4 6
6 6 2-4 TRIGGER
2 1
4 3
1 3 2-5
5 1
3 5
2 6
1 3
1 1 3-5 WIN
3 3
2 4
3 3
2 2
2 2 4-5 / 5-5
1 1
3 5
6 5 5-6
4 6
1 2
4 1
5 4
2 6
2 3 6-6
5 4
4 4 6-7
2 3
6 1
One more session:
6 1
3 2
6 3
6 6 1-0
1 6 1-1
6 6
5 5
1 4
3 3
3 1 2-1
5 4
1 4 2-2
1 2 3-2
2 5
2 2 4-2 TRIGGER
1 5
5 3
1 3 4-3 WIN
2 3
4 1
4 6 5-3 TRIGGER
2 2
2 4 6-3 STOP HERE?
1 4 WIN 6-4
5 4
2 1
4 1 6-5
5 1
5 3 7-5 TRIGGER
4 2
5 5
3 1
5 1 7-6 WIN
1 1
2 5
6 1
5 4
6 4 7-7
2 4
5 3
3 5
1 2
1 4 8-7
5 6
6 5
3 2
5 6
1 4
2 5
5 3
From what you have on your spins. If you re-track after a win. I have a feeling you will get more triggers.
This way the wait is not that long. The re-track should only be after a win.
So, Azim - if I understand correctly, after a win, you should start from scratch or 0-0 as it were?
Here's a session played as such.
6 1
4 6
2 2
1 6
6 3
3 6
4 1
1 3
4 6
4 4 1-0
5 5
5 5 2-0 / TRIGGER 2-1 WIN + RETRACK at 0-0
3 3
5 4
6 2
2 5
4 1
5 3
4 5
2 2
3 6
3 5 1-0
6 6
2 3
1 4
4 4 1-1
4 6 2-1
2 5
3 2
1 4
5 3
4 3 2-2
6 5
6 6 3-2
5 3
3 6
2 3
2 3 4-2 TRIGGER AND WIN 4-3 - RETRACK
4 1
6 2
3 2 0-1
2 6
5 3
5 6 1-1
2 1
4 5
5 5 1-2
6 4
6 1 2-2
2 2
etc.
I still am amazed by the consistency of the way the two columns
seem to 'even up'. Only one session in thousands of spins so far
has seen a great disparity, which was 9-3 to one side.
If we were to stop after one side got 3 ahead, then this streak would
have not been a problem. Rarely, as I've seen, do columns get 3 ahead
anyway.
Cheers
An interesting session, where I implemented Azim's suggestion, plus a stop whereby a column goes 3 repeats ahead.
1 5
1 3 1-0
4 4
3 2
4 6
1 5
6 5 1-1
1 6
1 1 2-1
5 3
5 5 3-1 TRIGGER
1 3
4 1
3 2
2 2 3-2 WIN, RETRACK
6 3
1 1
6 1 0-1
2 6
3 6 0-2 TRIGGER
6 4
4 2
1 5
4 2
5 1
2 2
2 5 1-2 WIN, RETRACK
4 1
4 2 1-0
1 4
1 4 2-0 TRIGGER / WIN 2-1 + RETRACK
3 4
3 3 1-0
6 6
2 1
3 4
6 6
4 1
2 6
5 1
5 4 2-0 TRIGGER
3 3
3 3 3-0 STOP? Would have won the very next spin, but gotta stay strict! RETRACK
5 2
3 2 0-1
2 5
5 4
6 1
2 6
2 1 1-1
I know. I am saying this after the fact that it hit. But try your stop-loss at 5th spin or 4th spin where there is only 1 unit profit.
In other words.. if you betting on the right column to hit. We only bet for 4-5 spins. It doesn't matter if the left column goes ahead as long as we don't go pass our cut-off spin. Which is pre-determined by flat betting or progression.
Try it out for a few sessions.
I think I understand Azim,
So basically stop and retrack after no hit within 4-5 spins?
Here's next random sample, but all hit within that.
6 1
2 6
6 5
1 1
4 6
6 2
1 2 0-1
1 3 1-1
6 1
5 5
1 2
4 3
3 5
6 6
3 2
5 4
2 5
1 2
1 2 2-1 / 2-2
4 2
3 6
5 4
1 4 2-3
4 2
6 5
5 1
5 3 3-3
5 3 3-4
4 6
1 6 3-5 TRIGGER
6 6
4 3
1 5
1 6 WIN on 4th 4-5
4 6
3 2
6 3
1 3 4-6
6 1
5 5
5 3 WIN on 3rd 5-6
6 5
2 2
6 2 TRIGGER 5-7
5 3
4 5
4 1 WIN on 3rd 6-7
5 2
5 3 7-7
1 1
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jan 29, 05:57 PM 2014
Hi,
I've been looking at double streets in columns and how each side
tends to distribute very evenly.
Buff....you really are a DS junky aren't you?
What i really like about that is.....if there is a good idea in DS....you will find it.
DS or nothing. Its the only way to find a winner.
I am currently obsessed with what happens after a repeat. I've been on it for 5 months. :yawn:
Now....
Question is......what's that grouping of A B actually doing?
Quote from: Turner on Jan 30, 06:16 PM 2014
Buff....you really are a DS junky aren't you?
What i really like about that is.....if there is a good idea in DS....you will find it.
DS or nothing. Its the only way to find a winner.
I am currently obsessed with what happens after a repeat. I've been on it for 5 months. :yawn:
Now....
Question is......what's that grouping of A B actually doing?
Thanks for the kind words...yes I do seem to always come back to them for some
reason.
What do you mean exactly, by 'after' a repeat?
So,
2
3
3 <here's the repeat
5 <here's what comes after
4 <for how many spins are you interested in?
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jan 30, 06:05 PM 2014
I think I understand Azim,
So basically stop and retrack after no hit within 4-5 spins?
Here's next random sample, but all hit within that.
Exactly, now you have to find out which I think you already did. If you use progression, how many sessions do you have to win and remain ahead if a loss comes your way.
I think DS 4-5 spins is a safe number. If at 5 you make 1 unit. That's still a win. No need for progression.
Thanks Azim,
Makes it so much easier to work out too! I'll look back and see in each session. Only trouble is, with triggers sometimes taking a good 50 spins to appear, one loss of 5 might take more time to claw back if played in b+m casino.
BW
True. That's why you want to avoid progression. While you doing that, look at it from a point of start betting after 2,3,4 spin.. See how many will you miss and is it worth waiting for the last spin. Less losses but more chances to hit.
I did spot something pretty cool having looked over the sessions and that is that in every one, at some
point, both columns are equal - be it 1-1, 2-2, 3-3 or whatever.
So, another angle of attack could be when one column is one away from the other - say 2-3 - and then bet
for the equaliser. If it goes two away - 2-4 - for example, then stop and wait for it to get to one away again.
It also gives me the opportunity to call it a pretty banging name: 'The Equaliser' !
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jan 30, 07:00 PM 2014
I did spot something pretty cool having looked over the sessions and that is that in every one, at some
point, both columns are equal - be it 1-1, 2-2, 3-3 or whatever.
So, another angle of attack could be when one column is one away from the other - say 2-3 - and then bet
for the equaliser. If it goes two away - 2-4 - for example, then stop and wait for it to get to one away again.
It also gives me the opportunity to call it a pretty banging name: 'The Equaliser' !
I am glad you brought it up and not me. BUT DON'T DO IT. YOU WILL GET INTO THE HOUSE EDGE of 2.7%. YOU WILL END UP BETTING EVERY SPIN.
I know what you're saying - just feel that an edge over this supposed 'parity' phenomenon is getting closer
Just out of interest, how it could be played another way.
Lots of interpretations/adaptations etc with this bet selection
A B
5 1
5 2 1-0 bet for equaliser 6 times max
4 4
5 5
1 2
5 1
5 1 1-1 +1 - However, overall it's 2-1, due to the double 5 in column A, so bet column B again
3 3
2 3 2-2 win +5
3 6
1 6 2-3 bet column A
3 2
2 2
6 4
6 3 3-4 win +7 bet column A
6 2
4 5
1 3
1 5 4-4 win +9 no bet
4 1
3 4
6 1
6 1 5-4 bet column B - win first spin +15
3 2
1 2 5-5
1 2 6-5 bet column B - This is a weird one because I wouldn't bet until the DS 2 had been broken.
5 2
2 2
6 2
5 5 bet
3 5 win, 6-6 we're gettin lucky on this one +21
6 3
4 5
3 1
4 4
3 2
6 6
5 6 6-7 bet column A
3 1
1 2
2 2
3 4
4 1
4 2 7-7 win on sixth, +21
6 5
1 4
6 6
1 1
6 2
1 3
It all boils down to is how much of a bankroll and return on your bankroll you are after.
If things get worse, how much you willing to lose.
Buff
From what I can see you've been tracking without ZERO. I've been running some test data with ZERO and a bit of advice if you're going to play this live on a ZERO wheel. Reset your tracking after every 50 spins because your ecart starts getting out of control starting at around spin 50, that is if you want to stay within your 1-2 point difference.
Does look interesting though.
B
Hi!
I understand the concept but please explain how i pick the DS to bet on after the trigger, i don`t get that.
Thanks for this interesting system!
agesta
Great observation BW,
Sorry to side track perhaps but what happens when you make 3 columns?
Feels like the bet selection can be more clearly seen, maybe more opportunities???
Buff...after a repeat...the uniques that follow. Another post perhaps. Posted one idea recently in BS. No interest because I didnt upset anyone lol
Buff
In case you find your betting opportunities too few, you can also look at the diagonals. The stats seem to be pretty much the same.
A 15 step prog on DS should keep you pretty much in the clear. Cost will be 37 units on a bust.
B
Quote from: Turner on Jan 31, 03:11 AM 2014
Buff...after a repeat...the uniques that follow. Another post perhaps. Posted one idea recently in BS. No interest because I didn't upset anyone LoL
You should post it over here - seems to be more attention paid to systems here, always thought that.
Quote from: agesta on Jan 31, 12:26 AM 2014
Hi!
I understand the concept but please explain how i pick the DS to bet on after the trigger, i don`t get that.
Thanks for this interesting system!
agesta
Hi Agesta,
Well, I'm still testing and tinkering really. Nothing concrete yet - check it out and see for yourself
how both columns like to have similar amounts of repeats and then ask 'how can we take
advantage of this?'
So far, I've thought of a few ways, you can bet as soon as one column is one ahead of the other,
two ahead of the other - you can bet for one to equalise and then of course, you can put in
place your own stop loss preferences.
I'll still be looking at this for a little while, I'm sure.
@Buffster, cheers for having a go, yes all my numbers are from random.org - so no zero's. I'm sure
your idea of 50 spin frames would be necessary and beneficial if played on a zero wheel. What is
your 17 step progression, by the way?
Cheers
BW
Here's a test using 3 columns, to see if the same phenomenon exists. Well, it certainly went ok.
The rules for three columns would be to wait until 2 have hit, and then bet for the blank column to hit.
A B C
3 5 1
1 4 3
4 3 4
6 6 3
1 2 5
2 3 5 0-0-1
6 3 2 0-1-1 BET COLUMN A
6 4 1 1-1-1 WIN RETRACK
6 6 5
3 2 2
6 6 4
1 3 4 0-0-1
6 5 2
5 6 6
6 4 4
1 1 4 0-0-2
4 4 6
3 3 1
2 5 1 0-0-3
4 2 2
5 3 5
6 4 1
6 4 5 1-1-3 WIN ON COLUMN B
1 6 1
1 6 5 1-1-0
5 4 5 1-1-1 WIN ON COLUMN C
4 4 5
3 2 2
5 1 3
3 1 3 0-1-1
1 4 1
1 6 2 1-1-1 WIN ON COLUMN A
6 5 1
6
And another random sample
4 4 4
2 4 2 0-1-0
6 4 3
6 4 6 1-1-0
3 6 4
1 4 3
2 1 2
5 2 3
4 2 2 1-2-0
6 5 6
3 2 2
1 1 3
2 5 6
4 6 2
2 1 6
4 4 3
1 1 3 1-2-1 WIN on 13th - stop loss required?
5 3 6
6 2 1
5 2 5 0-1-0
6 3 3
5 6 5
4 5 2
3 3 3
6 4 3 0-1-1
5 5 4
2 6 2
4 1 1
5 2 2
1 4 6
3 4 6 0-2-2
3 3 4 1-2-2 WIN on 7th spin
3 2 2
3
Buff
Just regular prog. This one is from loothog progression calculator.
LONG VERSION
1) Bet: $ 1 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 6 Bankroll Needed: $1
2) Bet: $ 1 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 5 Bankroll Needed: $2
3) Bet: $ 1 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 4 Bankroll Needed: $3
4) Bet: $ 1 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 3 Bankroll Needed: $4
5) Bet: $ 1 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $5
6) Bet: $ 1 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $6
7) Bet: $ 2 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 6 Bankroll Needed: $8
8) Bet: $ 2 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 4 Bankroll Needed: $10
9) Bet: $ 2 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $12
10) Bet: $ 3 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 6 Bankroll Needed: $15
11) Bet: $ 3 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 3 Bankroll Needed: $18
12) Bet: $ 4 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 6 Bankroll Needed: $22
13) Bet: $ 4 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $26
14) Bet: $ 5 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 4 Bankroll Needed: $31
15) Bet: $ 6 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 5 Bankroll Needed: $37
16) Bet: $ 7 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 5 Bankroll Needed: $44
17) Bet: $ 8 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 4 Bankroll Needed: $52
18) Bet: $ 9 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $61
19) Bet: $ 11 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 5 Bankroll Needed: $72
20) Bet: $ 13 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 6 Bankroll Needed: $85
21) Bet: $ 15 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 5 Bankroll Needed: $100
22) Bet: $ 17 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $117
23) Bet: $ 20 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 3 Bankroll Needed: $137
24) Bet: $ 23 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $160
25) Bet: $ 27 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $187
26) Bet: $ 32 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 5 Bankroll Needed: $219
27) Bet: $ 37 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 3 Bankroll Needed: $256
SHORT VERSION
Bet $ 1 on 1 spots for 6 spins.
Bet $ 2 on 1 spots for 3 spins.
Bet $ 3 on 1 spots for 2 spins.
Bet $ 4 on 1 spots for 2 spins.
Bet $ 5 on 1 spots for 1 spins.
Bet $ 6 on 1 spots for 1 spins.
Bet $ 7 on 1 spots for 1 spins.
Bet $ 8 on 1 spots for 1 spins.
Bet $ 9 on 1 spots for 1 spins.
Bet $ 11 on 1 spots for 1 spins.
Bet $ 13 on 1 spots for 1 spins.
Bet $ 15 on 1 spots for 1 spins.
Bet $ 17 on 1 spots for 1 spins.
Bet $ 20 on 1 spots for 1 spins.
Bet $ 23 on 1 spots for 1 spins.
Bet $ 27 on 1 spots for 1 spins.
Bet $ 32 on 1 spots for 1 spins.
Bet $ 37 on 1 spots for 1 spins.
B
Thanks Buff!
Buff
So Buff is this a green light or dead idea
You need to be careful with progression betting because you can lose alot
Wizard, like it.
still watching but these numbers this morning corals uk.
A B
1 5
3 2
6 2 0-1 now think we bet the 6
2 5
4 5 0-2 stil after A
6 3
3 3 0-3 some one said to retrack i think,but we've had only 4 bets of 1 unit so i'll carry on
5 4
5 2 1-3 hit would have increased to two units so +5
3 4
4 2
2 1
2 6 2-3 so now where A to level or B where shall we go wiz
6 2
2 2 answer should played B, anyway it did okay.
here are the spins
4
29
13
7
36
10
12
25
20
29
36
13
16
17
35
24
32
7
18
21
19
7
12
3
11
35
31
4
10
9
thanks for share it. From what I can see you've been tracking without ZERO. I've been running some test data with ZERO and a bit of advice if you're going to play this live on a ZERO wheel. Reset your tracking after every 50 spins because your ecart starts getting out of control starting at around spin 50, that is if you want to stay within your 1-2 point difference.