Some may understand this some may not, I have seen seven vertical Ls one time in 3 years.
Stuart
I see 50 W in 84 chances. It seems this is double dozens so this would be a losing session (+50/-68). Last 2 dozens spun in the matrix? Suggesting a progression?
Betting the dominant dozens of the last 3 shown in the verticals, and if all 3 come out, you're betting the last 2 which showed?
Looks like you're simply betting on the decision before last (DBL) dozen...
A.
Look like 4 sessions of 24 spins,
after 3 spins, bet last 2 dozens to show.
In the 4th session, the 2 ZERO should be mark as a Ls no?
i only play after three vertical Ls and I always cover 0 and 00 they are a win for me.
I only play LDs.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on Sep 16, 06:14 PM 2014
i only play after three vertical Ls and I always cover 0 and 00 they are a win for me.
I only play LDs.
Stuart
So, you only had one 'real' bet on that whole card? I only see 3 vertical losses once.
Yes I only play after 3 virtual Ls, each Column is a game so to speak.
Stuart
I have been testing this method for over 3 years it has proven to be pretty good.
L
L
L
YOU HAVE 7 TO 1 TO WIN
L
L
L
L
YOU HAVE 14 TO 1 TO WIN
That is approximate odds to win after three years of testing with zero and double zero wheels, now I have never been a gambler or anything but this method seems to almost be predictable,,,,,,,,,,,but anything can happen lol.
We dont know why it works it just does.
PATIENCE AND DISCIPLINE
Guys,
Daft question - what is LDs?
Quote from: bikemotorman on Sep 16, 06:14 PM 2014
i only play after three vertical Ls and I always cover 0 and 00 they are a win for me.
I only play LDs.
Stuart
Hi Stuart.
what do you play after 3 vertical L's ?
I know you play the last 2 dozens shown for a win in conjunction with the zero's but do you play for just one straight win or some form of progression as in 1 3 9 etc ?
Dave.
Yes one win then keep tracking you will always have more chances to play.
Stuart
RNG or both
I tested with all kinds of spins,,,,,,,rng real spins, 0 00 the results were the same.
But I would only do live.
This must be looked at as a business, you want to profit a certain amount then stop,,,,,,,,,it is not an ATM method just a way to maybe make some profit for the day.
Would you wait for three to four hours to profit 200 to 400 dollars for the day,,,,,,,,,,,,most gamblers dont have or use PATIENCE AND DISCIPLINE.
Stuart
If you lose a spin, so...
L
L
L
L bet here, lose
Do you bet that column again hoping it will win on the 4th?
Also do you use progression?
Thanks
Maybe, you have,
L
L
L
L
You could try but who really knows, you already have one loss, I would see if the other games have any action going in other words out of our four columns, I have seen it go LLLLLLL one time.
Stuart
Hi bikemotorman,
I like it - but rings a bell with me...
Seems very similar to "dozen warfare" method by buffalowizard where you wait for 3 non-repeat dozens then start betting.
See attached .txt file.
If not can you show another little example that more clearly demonstrates how you play just so can be sure. Thanks.
A.
Quote:********i played at my casino back in Singapore. Yes, i purchased the annual membership and boy it was expensive. $2k per annual hahaha.********
To all USA casino players: Enjoy your membership free casinos and not worry if on weekends the table minimums are increased. You are still ahead in many ways.
Besides no membership fee there is never any charge to enter a casino nor any request of any personal identification.
Tamino.
The LLLLs are just a way in the vertical columns for me to make sense of what the wheel is spinning.
I just seem to like what the way its written down, now I have had a couple of guys with big money who could put a grand on each dozen and make an educated guess when the play,,,,,,,,,,,but they said this method is so boring they went almost BONKERS waiting for the LLLLLLs to come out.
I also play this way to fill up the boredom this is horizontal ...........LL THEN PLAY FOR A W
ALSO vertical playing for a W
L
L
we want a vertical w
Three ways to play it.
This is just to fill the time and boredom.
Stuart
Stuart
I played a short session this morning and had LLLs twice.
My scanner is not working so I may need to upload it as a picture from my SmartPhone.
Stuart
In roulette jargons and roulette publications there is talk about Dozens and Columns but never any reference to " vertical and horizontal" columns .
P.S. It does not require much of a genius to play 2 dozens or 2 columns.
thats not nice Tam when jimmie b lost playing double doz
There are four columns across the paper and 24 rows,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, here take a look.
Columns go across its a matrix of sorts.
Stuart
7L is the most you have seen, and only once in 3 years?!?!?!?! impressive!
i understand it, lets hope others catch on
:love: :love: :love:
Here is a session i had. Sorry so messy. Most Ls in a row were 3. I had a trigger of 2Ls.
Might be safe with 1 L
;)
You need to use my tally sheet buddy much more easy to work on.
Here it is.
Thanks
How many losses do you wait for Bike?
I wait for 1 or 2 personally.
I wait sometimes three LLLs I also play another method while I am waiting for virtual Ls.
L
L
L
Stuart
This method is beyond just good its almost Immortal, but you must be careful you will feel almost invincible.
BUT I WARN DO NOT PLAY THIS ON COLUMNS,,,,,,,,,,,,,FROM MY AND OTHERS EXPERIENCE ON THE DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL COLUMNS DO VERY STRANGE THINGS, THIS IS AFTER THOUSANDS OF RECORDED SPINS...........COLUMNS BADDDDDDD NOT GOOD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,STAY AWAY.
Stuart
The cats out of the bag. This is the meat and potatoes. The big kahuna.
No buddy its the NUCLEAR option.
One thing is paramount,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,PATIENCE AND DISCIPLINE ARE MANDATORY.
This is not a thrill method, its boring, monotonous tedious irksome tiresome humdrum its relentless but its Profitable.
Stuart
Does the method also work on autowheel....? Thanks
I hope it works on auto wheel cause i can sit there for hours with noone bothering me
HI COULD SOMEBODY REFRESH THE RULES FOR THIS SYSTEM
before i found this i said the answer to roulette is probably within the dozens. bingo i was right
seems like lots of excitement on this one!
More than exitement........;It's more like the safe of casino being left opened for any smart players
to help themselves.......lol lol :)
Thanks to Bikemotorman and RG for sharing.
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 08, 01:05 PM 2015
HI COULD SOMEBODY REFRESH THE RULES FOR THIS SYSTEM
Read the thread, extremely easy to use, but as bikemotorman says, quite boring, maybe only one bet in a lot of spins.
Average is 4 bets an hour and you will win them all
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 08, 09:39 PM 2015
Average is 4 bets an hour and you will win them all
Is this for 3 or 4 virtual losses?
I play 2 virtual loss then im off like a bat outta hell
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 08, 10:05 PM 2015
I play 2 virtual loss then im off like a bat outta hell
I'm confused - you stated above that you will have "4 bets per hour and win every one", yet the charts that have been presented show runs of 3 and 4 losses at times?
What am I missing - progression?
I start at 2L and use negative prog. So in 4 bet opportunities i win all 4
Quote from: thelaw on Apr 08, 10:39 PM 2015
I'm confused - you stated above that you will have "4 bets per hour and win every one", yet the charts that have been presented show runs of 3 and 4 losses at times?
What am I missing - progression?
As per bikemotorman, you only bet once after 3 Ls, everything else is ignored.
1 ,2 , 3 , ....bets per hour doesn't matter. If you win them 95% of the time is good enough for me. And yep the right progression makes this really STRONG
using great 8 progression might work? 111111 : 3 losses =-6, 222222,333333 etc
I just flatbet, after all it be the same. I win a few units per session. A session for me is 10 rows or 3 consecutive losses. Only lost 1 time in 9 sessions -1 unit(lol) those are tips haha. 10 unit base. I think the progression is for the greedy ones. Could it be go so wrong after 10 rows or 3 consecutive losses?
Im up 210 units after 9 sessions.
Spreadsheet with all results from Spielbank Wiesbaden Table 2 for January 2010 attached.
Nowun,
The problem is you have laid it out in just one long column.
The system states that you need to have 4 columns. It would be interesting then how your results look as you have some horrific streaks there!
Quote from: buffalowizard on Apr 09, 03:41 AM 2015
Nowun,
The problem is you have laid it out in just one long column.
The system states that you need to have 4 columns. It would be interesting then how your results look as you have some horrific streaks there!
That was done for ease of use, you could easily split it up into 24 spin columns, this was just to show some really long LLLLLL samples. Initially I was going to set it out in 4 columns, until I started to see all the long runs of L's.
The results must be in the four column matrix always.
Thanks))))))))))Stuart
Quote from: nowun on Apr 09, 03:33 AM 2015
Spreadsheet with all results from Spielbank Wiesbaden Table 2 for January 2010 attached.
I have looked at your sheet Nowun,
As far as I can see it's played wrong.
I see losses in the spreadsheet where there are actually no losses if played correctly.
Also like Bikemotorman says it always has to be a four column matrix.
YES results must be confined to 4 wide column matrix.
$$$$
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Stuart
@SamNL - Totally agree with u......
@Rewster88 - Is it on live Wheel or autowheel....?
Play only real wheel real ball roulette)))))))airball is real even if there is no dealer.......no rng at all.
@Bikemotorman - Thanks for the info. One question, does dealer change affect the results.....?
For example, we have our trigger then there is a dealer change. Can we still bet as usual.....?
Or is it better to restart tracking with the new dealer; and then bet when we have the trigger....?
Cheers
Chris
Nowun ur playing it wrong. 4 columns is crucial = 4 separate games meaning it is impossible for the casino to beat you in 4 separate games
Hey biker
Looks like an interesting bet selection. I will try to take a look later and make a tracker for it so we could simulate hundreds of thousands of spins.
The way i see it the 4 columns do not matter. You could easily restart after 24 iterations.
When you say you cover the 00 and the 0 by betting on them, how much do you bet on those numbers? Just to cover for the virtual zero loss? Can you give us an example?
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 09, 06:48 AM 2015
Nowun ur playing it wrong. 4 columns is crucial = 4 separate games meaning it is impossible for the casino to beat you in 4 separate games
:o I was just demonstrating that more than 3 Ls can occur in succession, as probasah has just said.
I know how Bikemotorman says to play it.
Here is the first sheet in the matrix format playing as per Bikemotormans instructions:
(link:://i.imgur.com/Dpa7WoK.jpg)
Hi!
My first test of this:
+5 units in 128 spins.
I played with 2 virtuel losses, one time i had 5 losses in a row i won on the 4th bet.
You need 3 virtuel losses i Think.
agesta
Oops double post.
Nowun ur playing it wrong. Its playing the last 2 double dozens to show playing vertically. After writing results left to right in 4s.
You understand the concept but you must write the dozens as they come from left to right but you are playing vertically. Vertical Ls
If u see more then 5 vertical Ls u r playing wrong
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 09, 07:10 AM 2015
Nowun ur playing it wrong. Its playing the last 2 double dozens to show playing vertically. After writing results left to right in 4s.
RG is right.
You're not playing it right Nowun.
I have edited the losses in the picture with a green block where instead of a loss it's a win.
The original wins are all correct.
removed
I want to mention that a highly respected member of the international roulette community shared this method with me about four years ago.
My only contribution was a massive amount of testing as I had the time and patience to accomplish that goal.
Regarding dealer change I have found no issue with a change in dealers at all ever.
$tuart
If the forum was private id go all out. But too many guests and lurkers view this forum and they don't deserve it. This forum needs to be private.
The four colums are MANDATORY.
Quote from: probasah on Apr 09, 07:36 AM 2015
Thats from your example, nowun. first column
so the end of 24 spins - 2 REAL BETS PLACED, 2 Wins
end of session
next session wait for first 3 spins .... get the last 2 dozens.. rinse and repeat.
Regards,
Alex
I get you Alex, but I have the spreadsheet set up all wrong, time to redesign it.
Can you make this private before its to late?
MY EXAMPLE IS ON PAGE ONE FROM A LIVE SESSION CHECK IT OUT GUYS.
Stuart
Nice method, with the sheet its easy to follow, just a defined rule which needs to be set in stone, ie, wait 2L's or 3l's.
I'll start this well down know not rng ,but i'm going thru old registry of spins, at moment the first 3 box's of four is a good indicator if its going to get many losses, ie, 1 doz 1,2nd doz4 3rd doz 7, a distribution of the dozens like this ,is making for a lot of lossers, but if dozens are nearly even say 3,4,5 gives good win. But still under observation
Guys i have removed my previous post at a member request.
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 09, 08:05 AM 2015
Nice method, with the sheet its easy to follow, just a defined rule which needs to be set in stone, ie, wait 2L's or 3l's.
I'll start this well down know not rng ,but i'm going thru old registry of spins, at moment the first 3 box's of four is a good indicator if its going to get many losses, ie, 1 doz 1,2nd doz4 3rd doz 7, a distribution of the dozens like this ,is making for a lot of lossers, but if dozens are nearly even say 3,4,5 gives good win. But still under observation
There is no difference between RNG and wheel generated numbers.
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: probasah on Apr 09, 08:14 AM 2015
There is no difference between RNG and wheel generated numbers.
Regards,
Alex
You are wrong here. In many years of real wheel 7Ls happened once. In rng random.org 8Ls happened frequently. Rng is NOT the same as a real wheel. stay away
I wont beat a dead horse, im only saying it once
@bikemotorman....what ya driving? Im driving honda cbr rr 600.
One question cuz all the rest is perfectly clear...
Row 6 colom 4 = 2
Row 7 colom 4 = 1
Row 8 colom 4 = 3W but here i would bet L. Why is it W ? Can't seem to find the answer. And thx man. If you want some extra units you can always talk me ???
But i see you post this already b4 ;)
About RNG ...some say it makes no difference. But for me it makes a big difference. RNG bring a lot rfh's!
Anyway delete this post lol. Wasn't this the post that should be kept secret? ??
Quote from: denzie on Apr 09, 08:23 AM 2015
Row 6 colom 4 = 2
Row 7 colom 4 = 1
Row 8 colom 4 = 3W but here i would bet L. Why is it W ? Can't seem to find the answer. And thx man. If you want some extra units you can always talk me ???
But i see you post this already b4 ;)
Hey denzie, it should be
3L, nice find.
Regards,
Alex :)
This cannot stay public. I cant speak further
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 09, 08:32 AM 2015
This cannot stay public. I cant speak further
Same goes for me.
Then i suggest we ask the one in charge of deleting posts....i agree with you guys. Otherwise bye bye secret :(
Its up to him. I dont mind it being on here BUT the forum is public. I dojt want lurkers and casinos seeing it.
Do you guys have whatsapp messenger?
The comments that this stuff should be deleted and kept private are an embarrasment to anyone who can think for themself.
Oh wait a minute.....I forgot where I was.
Carry on! You've all done very well! (Thank you Mr Grace) :wink:
@Bikemotorman - Thanks for clarifying the dealer change question above.
If you give me your numbers private then i make a group
One thing you need to remember is "gamblers" are not patient, they are greedy. This requires the patience of a saint to really achieve any worthwhile gains. Most will not be able to do it. Look at all the really good methods that have already been posted on here, most if not all are largely ignored now.
SamNL added to private group , more with whatsapp?
Rg added
Who said he saw Five Ls in 128 spins I doubt that but possible........was live or rng random.org results????????????
Stuart
I think I have it right now, still session 01.01.2010 from numbers I uploaded earlier:
(link:://i.imgur.com/45oa7Ty.jpg)
4 Bets 4 wins.
Happy to be corrected, I assume first 12 spins are not really used?
I think in this one are 5 losses
Start playing on the right where 22 starts
Quote from: nowun on Apr 09, 10:29 AM 2015
I think I have it right now, still session 01.01.2010 from numbers I uploaded earlier:
(link:://i.imgur.com/45oa7Ty.jpg)
4 Bets 4 wins.
Happy to be corrected, I assume first 12 spins are not really used?
Hi nowun,
It looks right to me. :)
A.
Looks good nowun
Quote from: Rewster88 on Apr 09, 10:35 AM 2015
I think in this one are 5 losses
I get 1 bet 1 loss, starting from the far right 22, using 3 Ls
(link:://i.imgur.com/xFm1knr.jpg)
So if it's different from the last two in the column, that's a loss? Same as one of the last two in the column, that's a win?
3
2
1.........loss
2
2
3.......loss
1
2
1........win
3
2
2........win
Is that the gist of it?
Sam
If you go after 2 L's
Hi!
It was me who had 5 losses in the row and i have checked it throw i Think i played correct.
I will for sure keep on playing this!!!!
I did a test playing this system using the 6 even bets , and played after 2 virtuel losses and i made 10 units using +1-1 in progression
I had at most 5 losses in the row.
Test it if you have some time.
agesta
If you see 5 vertical Ls fast its probably rng
Twocat see my 2nd email with the attachment with real wheel example
When there are 2 Ls vertically when i come back to that column i bet for a W
Quote from: nowun on Apr 09, 10:56 AM 2015
I get 1 bet 1 loss, starting from the far right 22, using 3 Ls
Hi nowun,
Using all the numbers in that example I get 2 wins (using prog)
A.
Quote from: nowun on Apr 08, 11:23 PM 2015
As per bikemotorman, you only bet once after 3 Ls, everything else is ignored.
Ah found it bet after 3Ls, hold on RG is it 2
With a 2L trigger more wins
Everyone plays it differently. The big dogs wait until 4Ls then bet big with a progression.
I do 2Ls with a negative progression as it can survive 5Ls which is rare.
Wait for 3Ls then bet once is not how its played. If ur trigger is 3 Ls then:
L
L
L
L begin betting here and you lose
W. 1 out of 14 times u will win after the 4th
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 09, 11:32 AM 2015
With a 2L trigger more wins
Agreed.
Using those numbers from SLCasino and stuarts stop after one bet and RG's play after 2L's I get
W W W L W W L W W
A losing run of only ONE in this case...
As RouletteGhost says we are playing 4 games in 4 columns.
Be a lot safer with 3 or 4 L's....? I dunno?
Regards,
A.
Flat Atlantis? Or u used progression?
Its "safer " with 3 or 4Ls for sure. Use bigger units then
In my testing in 1 hour of real wheel play i get 4 to 5 betting opportunities (2Ls vertically beinggl my go time)
with a $10 chip size and a dd progression easily make 40-50 dollars an hour
I thank bikemotorman who was kind enough to be friendly and explain this to me thoroughly. He is the man to thank
Quote from: denzie on Apr 09, 11:41 AM 2015
Flat Atlantis? Or u used progression?
I think you have to use a progression with this...
The standard 1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27 (therefore I think for greater safety perhaps you need to set at 3 or 4 L's maybe for that)
up and down +1/-1: 1-2-3-4-5 etc.
Or maybe something like this will work good:
Quote
Double Dozen Progression
Progression Level
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Bet level 1 ($1.00) on each Dozen for 5 Spins
If at the end each 5 spins we have a positive balance then spin another 5 times at level 1 ($1.00).
For example, if we won all 5 times we would have a positive balance of $5, if we won 4 times we would have a positive balance of $2 therefore we would spin another 5 times at level 1 ($1.00).
If at end of 5 spins we have a negative balance then increase bets to next progression level 2 ($2.00) for next 5 spins.
For example, if we won 3 times out of 5, we would have a negative balance of -$1.
Bet level 2 ($2.00) on each Dozen for 5 spins.
If during these 5 spins we have eliminated the negative balance of -$1 then revert back to next lower level, ie level 1.
If we still have a negative balance at the end of level 2, then go to level 3.
For example, we have a -$1 loss from level 1.
The first spin at level 2 ($2.00) on each dozen is won, we win $2.00 which when added to the -$1 loss from the previous level a +$1 which has eliminated the negative balance and we now revert back 1 level.
:)
Regards,
A.
Atlantis is right
If u wanna use 1-1 3- 3 9- 9 27 -27 and u want it to be infalliable wait for 4Ls
That means you might only get 1 bet per 100 spins and then bet huge with big br to sustain the progression. The other way would be to monitor 2,3 or 4 tables at once
My strategy now is airball with $10 chips starting at 2Ls for a $50 per hour goal
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 09, 11:53 AM 2015
I think you have to use a progression with this...
The standard 1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27 (therefore I think for greater safety perhaps you need to set at 3 or 4 L's maybe for that)
up and down +1/-1: 1-2-3-4-5 etc.
Or maybe something like this will work good:
:)
Regards,
A.
Atlantis what u have quoted is the gr8 progression i believe
It is great. However with 4 bets an hour it would take foreverrrrrrr
Let's say we use trigger 3 or 4L's.... if you win more then double of the bets placed.....i would use flat but big. 100-100
Or hmmm foolproof? But of course big enough betting.
Time will tell as we test as much as possible. Then we know how and how much to bet.
Denzie
Guys
I hate to always be the voice of negativity, but isn't this just about the same as John Legend's "Pattern Breaker"? It did not work, no matter what anyone says. The bot does not lie.
What we are always looking for is a "rarely occurring occurrence" We feel if it is rare, we can profit from it. Trouble is, the trigger is rare, too. So you wait until hell freezes over........
Ego has an idea. Create your own rarity and profit from it without all the waiting.
As always, the trouble is, numbers do as they please and they will beat you when they want to.
Sam
as far as I can see I really like a simple labby on this one , (and I generally don't like using labbys) after 4 losses LLLL 11223344 no biggie …. wwlwwlww= 122334 , 2233, 223355, 2335, 33, 3366, 36, 0
no huge bets except 99 and your cleared out of problem pretty fast---continue on making cash
ps i would also use the same bet on denies doubles
The father of the system plays kt several times a week observing multiple tables at a time and max Ls vertically he has seen is 7.
Same with bikemotorman
8 and 9 has been observed ONLY on rng
If played correctly this is by far the best method on the forum
The father of the system only saw six Ls one time as I recall.
Twocat if you knew who shared this with me you would not even mention him in the same century as john legend.
Stuart
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 09, 12:46 PM 2015
The father of the system plays kt several times a week observing multiple tables at a time and max Ls vertically he has seen is 7.
Same with bikemotorman
8 and 9 has been observed ONLY on rng
If played correctly this is by far the best method on the forum
I agree this method is very very good buy not because it was shared with me but because it really works and is the real deal, the father of the method is very well liked and respected.
He told me not to mention on the forum where it came from I have always kept that promise.
Stuart
In a week this thread will be a mere figment of the rouletteforum.cc imagination. It will be history before we know it
It will be the bottom of the pile
i just wanted to reignite a good thing
I have not tried airball yet. That willl be the key. Does airball organic machines have the same outcomes as live dealer or is it skewed
I see this thread sparked interest amongst members which is always nice ;)
Did a quick test 1000 spins, live spins you can find here on the forum;
LL - 54 times
LLL - 16 times
LLLL - 2 times
LLLLL - 1 time
LLLLLL - 1 time
LLLLLLL - nope ;D
three times a win on zero (2,3 and 4 L's then zero comes)
hope it helps you, If i get time over the weekend i'll do a bigger test (total 4000 spins)
Some Live Spins that i found on this forum from the archive.
Regards,
Alex
does anyone explain how is the whole proccess , otherwise i dont understand it , i may not understand it . my feeling says this is so close to holy grail
Test it and its a big loser sorry to say.. I saw 4x 8 losses and 1 time 12 losses. Only tested about 2000 spins.
R
This means Twocat was correct again? Didn't go to well here also.
I keep it at my dozens together with the extremely voodoo method.
That works just fine
@Rewster88- Are u sure u tested it properly.....lol?? and that there was no error involved in the bet selection
process........?? If everyone else is winning and u are the only one loosing this may be isolated incidence
and treated as such or u must be extremely unlucky.......lol lol
From my experience I tested more than 3,000 spins and in maximum 3 attempts I always won
without any ifs, whens or buts.....
Rewster88 where were you testing this?
I tested the 640 spins above from SLC that probasah posted.
I used the 2 L's trigger as rouletteghost favours, and bet one time only as bikemotorman suggested.
[waiting for 3 or 4 L trigger can take TOOO long!]
Result:
WLLWWWL0WLLWLWWWWWWWWLW0WLWLW0L0WWWLLLWLWLW0WLL
Unlucky to hit 5 zeros! Longest Losing Run=3.
A.
He saw 8 losses bull i have played this over years thousands of results and you get this many losses BS.........SHOW me....???????
Stuart
testing is such a pain--by hand its so tedious---by computer program the programmer can make a tiny mistake inadvertently not on purpose and throw everything off or if done right it shows a lot…have seen it happen so many times. ….
if anyone has zumma 15,000 on computer the dozen is clearly marked and that column could probably be used to test this…
i have the hard copy as i am old school
Quote from: probasah on Apr 09, 08:14 AM 2015
There is no difference between RNG and wheel generated numbers.
Regards,
Alex
Probasah, Hi,
Wheel generated do you mean croupier, i hope your right, but those uk bookies machines make you wonder if there not monitoring your spins, as i've had two inccidents where you'd think " no the machine knows what ive done". Oops got of track there
a random number generator no matter how random is NOT the same as a real wheel or an airball wheel
the author of this strategy saw 6Ls once and bike saw 7Ls once.....
on RNG it happened over 9 times!
NOT the same
Quote from: wiggy on Apr 09, 09:10 AM 2015
The comments that this stuff should be deleted and kept private are an embarrasment to anyone who can think for themself.
Oh wait a minute.....I forgot where I was.
Carry on! You've all done very well! (Thank you Mr Grace) :wink:
i called you out, asked for ur email and i offered to tell you the strategy
also, remind me, what has your contribution been here on this forum?
Rich whats wiggy done Hmmm, well he's told us the bookies roulette is rigged, it picks 9 random numbers and pays you out if your in the draw.
But how does he know this , i would think anyone working in the program dept/ is made to sign a contract that they dare not divulge any info on how they payout.
Afellow player in the bookies took corals to the gaming commission about the 97% payout and was thrown out with the answer we're happy with the way the payout works, but they would not divulge how.
So can anyone tell me how the machine knows to pay someone,perhaps when its time to payout all 37 numbers register and bingo you win,otherwise how does it know, all i know is last week i had two bets at differnet days and i forgot to place a chip on one off the numbers and you know it paid the one iforgot to place the chip on, twice.
I have too big of a heart to be here
Now that I know the grail I want everyone to know
it is hard for me not to post it
this forum NEEDS to be private i refuse to let lurkers and others see
Thanks bikemotorman and RG for bringing this to our attention, lots of testing to do. Fun fun. :o
Assuming ppl WILL play this at a B&M casino, what are you going to bet until
that v rare trigger comes ?
O0
4 bets an hour that are all winners isnt exactly a rare trigger
2Ls
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 09, 06:28 PM 2015
4 bets an hour that are all winners isnt exactly a rare trigger
2Ls
4 bets an hour isn't rare ?
nope, simply cannot agree on that. So what are you going to bet while you wait RG ?
They are not going to let you stay at the table betting 4 bets an hour are they ?
O0
Based on the spins that I uploaded earlier in the thread and my now "better" understanding of how this works, I got one sequence of 7 Ls in those 11 sessions. These are live dealer recorded spins. RG's idea to use a progression is not a bad idea, but there may be some big drawdowns. Betting on 2 Ls will get much more action and with a good progression should work. More testing required.
The one thing that makes me like this a lot is the sessions are less than 100 spins and you are not betting every spin. :thumbsup:
Only had the chance to fo a short test, is this correct? 1 bet thats a win and one more opportunity before i ran out of time
If there you do not bet every spin, then why is there always a w or l? Should there be some nb for no bet?
I asked the same questions as this fellow is asking, just in different words in a post earlier. I could not get a yes or no. Could it be we have some obfuscation here? A little bloviation? I ask it again:
So if it's different from the last two in the column, that's a loss? Same as one of the last two in the column, that's a win?
3
2
1.........loss
2
2
3.......loss
1
2
1........win
3
2
2........win
Is that the gist of it?
Sam
Alright, is the ghost of John Legend haunting this thread?
Sam
Twocat. I cant get in depth until after work. Im not avoiding responding i am working all day. Re read my emails and attachments and u will understand how it is played.
You always write a W or a L. The Ls are where ur trigger is
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 10, 08:49 AM 2015
Twocat. I cant get in depth until after work. Im not avoiding responding i am working all day. Re read my emails and attachments and u will understand how it is played.
You always write a W or a L. The Ls are where ur trigger is
Ghost
I'm sorry, but I do not understand. I have read and studied all of the literature.
I wonder why there is no bet until there are three outcomes per column. If you have
1
2.............then the dozens are different and you should bet 1 and 2? Why does the sheet not show that?
Let me put it another way and see if I get an answer: If there are three different dozens, it's an L. Example: 3 1 2 is a loss.
Is that it?
Sam
By the way, I know some of youse guys work. Take your time and don't get in trouble for being on the computer at work. (Gotta grab the shovel; wife is getting stick!!)
Sam
I'll try and explain with a sample
This is just one column for clarity - same applies when you play all 3 columns
I think it's just a question of when to bet, every spin? How many virtual losses to wait for etc
1
1
2
3 L <different from last 2
3 W
2
1 L
3 L
2 L
1 L
1 W
2
1
3 L
3 W
Quote from: buffalowizard on Apr 10, 11:05 AM 2015
Sam
I'll try and explain with a sample
This is just one column for clarity - same applies when you play all 3 columns
I think it's just a question of when to bet, every spin? How many virtual losses to wait for etc
1--------why is this 1 necessary?
1
2
3 L <different from last 2
3 W
2
1 L
3 L
2 L
1 L
1 W
2
1
3 L
3 W
May I sum it up thusly: If the last two dozens are different from each other, you have a bet. If the absent dozens appears, you lose. If one of the last two appears, you win.
Is that it?
Thank you, Mr. Wizard!
Sam
Bet after 2Ls and it never loses.
That's pretty much it Sam, but when the last doz is different from the previous 2 like my example
1 < this isn't necessary, just for show !
1
2
3. <one virtual loss
1. <two virtual losses. Now you bet 1 and 3 because they are now the last two doz to hit
3. < win!
BW
Buffalo gets it.
But you write the results horizontally but play vertically. Spin 1 thru 4 top row. Spin 5 thru 8 second row so on. When you have 2 Ls vertically, when the dealer comes back to that column, bet
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
Gentlemen, I get it!
I just set a fence post six inches from where it should be.
You don't know what it's like being me!!
Thankee, thankee, thankee.
Sam
Glad to hear it ole' boy
Now go win some money!
Did the cement dry
Yes, but I put a "TwoCat Patch" on the whole thing. It will be under topsoil, so just don't spread it around that I'm a big dummy!
I dont understand nothing but thanks anyway! :thumbsup:
Quote from: jarabo002 on Apr 10, 02:20 PM 2015
I dont understand nothing but thanks anyway! :thumbsup:
Jara, PM me and I'll explain everything.
GLC
To paraphrase from a religiois theme: ,Those who understand don`t need an explanatin and for those who don`t understand there is no explanation.
:twisted:
Quote from: GLC on Apr 10, 05:39 PM 2015
Jara, PM me and I'll explain everything.
GLC
Thanks GLC and the another friends. I have the basic information. It is not the tipe of system I like to play but maybe its a good one.
This sheet made by me is for all of you:
Thanks for the sheet/tracker. :thumbsup:
A.
Quote from: jarabo002 on Apr 11, 04:26 PM 2015
:twisted:
Thanks GLC and the another friends. I have the basic information. It is not the tipe of system I like to play but maybe its a good one.
This sheet made by me is for all of you:
yea maybe
MAYBE :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Moving on....it works soso ....but they all do. Try extremely voodoo !!!
I played 107 rng spins with real money to try this, and I won 10 units, betting after two losses. Three losses in a row happened 3 times during this play.
I think this is just like many other systems posted on the forum. It isn't a holy grail, but it can win for a long time if played with discipline and stop loss. It reminded me of steven1212's idea. (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13889.0) Wait for a rare event then bet against it.
What concerns me with these bet selections, is that two players who didn't start tracking at the same time, could have a trigger at the same time but on opposite dozens.
What concerns me with these bet selections, is that two players who didn't start tracking at the same time, could have a trigger at the same time but on opposite dozens.
Could I get an example of this?
Sam
Quote from: denzie on Apr 11, 05:06 PM 2015
Moving on....it works soso ....but they all do. Try extremely voodoo !!!
What is "extremely voodoo"?
Wait for a rare event then bet against it.
But you wait forever and a day!!
And then you're chances are the same as if you had never waited.
Sorry, it's true.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Apr 12, 02:21 PM 2015
What concerns me with these bet selections, is that two players who didn't start tracking at the same time, could have a trigger at the same time but on opposite dozens.
Could I get an example of this?
Sam
Sorry, I looked at it again and I was wrong. With this system it doesn't matter if player 2 stars tracking at a different spin.
Well, I hate to rock the ol' proverbial boat, but.............
This idea would work much, much better using the last two dozens to come. I tried it today and it did alright, but it would have been much better using the last two.
Why?
Because dozens do two things: They get hot and go to sleep. When They get hot it looks like this:
1
1
1
1
1
2
When they are cold, it's like this:
2
3
2
3
2
3
Either way, betting the last two will get you a winner.
Sam
So what happened? Why is there no action on this thread?
Frankly, this is a pretty good method of play and I am going to try my hardest to make it better. Is it "it"? No, I doubt it, but it is a very viable method of play.
Am I wrong, or was this "it"? Now everyone is chasing another rabbit! Where are you who sent me all the stuff and told me how "he" won thousands?
I just don't get it...........
Sam
I believe some guys discussing it in private. I will definitely do more tests, probably around next weekend.
I used to play double dozens with a modified D'Alembert progression, to make it as safe as I can. What I did was starting with 1 unit on two dozens, after a loss 2 units, on a win back to 1 unit. (break even) If the 2 units lost, I bet 3 units, but I only went back to 2 units if I won twice in a row. If I won the first one with 3 units, and lost the second one, I bet 4 units, but only needed one win to go back to 3.
I know it's not the simplest progression and can be very slow, and requires progression tracking, but at least there is no need for hundreds of units for a session to play.
Like i said...it works soso... and this is NOT it. They saw 7l's only 1 time in 3 years...uuuuhhuuu... I've seen that twice already. Same with that cute sunny cube....what a load of cra........
ati
My tests are with real quarters. (Big spender!!) Your progression is a good one. I had Nick program that into a test sheet for the bot a while back.
Sam
denzie
Yes, the sun square is just numbers that sometimes predict the winner. Most times they don't.
Sam
Sam ,
About the square. ...was a good laugh.
About the voodoo...it's a thread from Nowun ...extremely voodoo
About your twist here on the dozens...what progression you suggest?
*extremely simple voodoo method
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Apr 13, 11:15 PM 2015
So what happened? Why is there no action on this thread?
Frankly, this is a pretty good method of play and I am going to try my hardest to make it better. Is it "it"? No, I doubt it, but it is a very viable method of play.
Am I wrong, or was this "it"? Now everyone is chasing another rabbit! Where are you who sent me all the stuff and told me how "he" won thousands?
I just don't get it...........
Sam
Hey Sam,
Tested this on 5000 spins. Positive result. Tested on another 5000 spins. Not only it wiped away the first winnings, very big dd.
Method says not more than 7 loses in a row. That is BS. Test it on any 10000 RNG numbers, or live spins or whatever. I guarantee you WILL see not only 7 but 8L in a column or more.
Results are as expected. Take any random double dozens bet method and you will get the same results.
Bets were in average 3 bets per 100 spins. When you get that L L L L L L after three loses LLL (trigger), Not only you need a huge Bankroll to begin with but you have to wait like crazy to actually bet.
Sam, i think the Holy Cow (Grail!) is about MONEY MANAGEMENT. not about bet selection.
I think there are some players that have found what works and what doesnt, but no one is speaking out loud.
Matrixes and "secret" formulas are simply BS.
Best regards,
Alex
The author of the system says clearly not to play it on rng.....; I have been playing it at real BM live dealer and autowheel;
and hit rate is extraordinarily high; In more than 1 week of playing I have never seen any LLL after 2LL. It works perfectly for
me.
Quote from: Chris555p on Apr 14, 01:17 PM 2015
The author of the system says clearly not to play it on rng.....; I have been playing it at real BM live dealer and autowheel;
and hit rate is extraordinarily high; In more than 1 week of playing I have never seen any LLL after 2LL. It works perfectly for
me.
Hey Chris,
I am not talking without knowledge. How about an example with 12k RNG numbers. You can verify for yourself. The trigger was 3 LLL. (3 not 2LL)
consecutive loses in a column: 12 .................................. 12L! not 7L!
consecutive BET loses 9 total spins # 12288
Total Bets 293
Av.Bets100 spins 2.38444
Wins 183
Loses 110
See attached docx with W/L history.
I will attach as well the list with the 12k numbers
Now i ask you this:How can anyone deal with 9 consecutive Loses (imagine Martingale) AFTER 3 LLL as a trigger?
PS:If you or anyone else wants to test any list with live spins, give me the list and i will give you the results.
Best regards,
Alex
Of course, if you're only betting ONCE after the trigger 2L or 3L then you will stop and not encounter the rest of the L's in that column. (You could have a separate progression for EACH column of the matrix)
I do not think it easy for random to produce long strings of L's in all the columns consecutively...
I believe this is how bikemotorman was playing in the beginning.
A.
Well the original post busted pretty hard in my face. 7ls in 3 year? I guess I'll be safe now for 6 years. Moving on...
Quote from: denzie on Apr 14, 09:35 AM 2015
About your twist here on the dozens...what progression you suggest?
denzie
We bet the two dozens for three times: 1-1, 3-3, 9-9. This will win around 90% of the time. Something like that.
If you lose all three, you are down 26 units. Here is the formula: Divide the down by 2. Bet that amount on each dozen until you have two
consecutive wins. Sometimes it can get pretty hairy.
Sam
Sam ,
Ok , got it. But it's a hard progression. I'll give it a try together with foolproof. Thx
Denzie
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 09, 11:43 AM 2015
Its "safer " with 3 or 4Ls for sure. Use bigger units then
In my testing in 1 hour of real wheel play i get 4 to 5 betting opportunities (2Ls vertically beinggl my go time)
with a $10 chip size and a dd progression easily make 40-50 dollars an hour
I thank bikemotorman who was kind enough to be friendly and explain this to me thoroughly. He is the man to thank
Can you tell me what a dd progression is? Trying to figure how this fits within table limits.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 09, 05:43 PM 2015
a random number generator no matter how random is NOT the same as a real wheel or an airball wheel
the author of this strategy saw 6Ls once and bike saw 7Ls once.....
on RNG it happened over 9 times!
NOT the same
What is the exact difference between "airball" and "rng"?
check ur PM mogul......
RNG IS NOT ROULETTE
Quote from: bikemotorman on Apr 09, 01:28 PM 2015
I agree this method is very very good buy not because it was shared with me but because it really works and is the real deal, the father of the method is very well liked and respected.
He told me not to mention on the forum where it came from I have always kept that promise.
Stuart
Can you explain how you accommodate those runs with a progression?
My understanding is that you only wait for 2 losses. What is your progression, and where do you stop?
Rich and Sam
8 wide?
TCS matrix with the zeros, mine with zeros not marked so the next spin goes there but marked in green so you can see where they should be. Same sheets more wins even accounting for the zeros
its amazing how you can win so much with a 1L trigger and a standard double dozen progression then BAM 5 L comes from nowhere and wipes you out