Post in any general question you have on GUT and I will try and answer it.
Good luck all.
Wow! someone chance/modify my message!
Think I should change the password!
I(Azim) am able to modify my own thread.
I(Azim) have bad news for you. If you can't follow simple rules. GUT is not for you.
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Azim is a mod of his own thread
This is one of those game play that i can call a Strategy instead of a system.
Yes at first you may play mechanically where in you bet on the crossing of 0X & 1X but later on the 50th-100th spin you will have to decide which crossing you are going to use on the next spin, because there will exist a crossing of 0X & 1x or 0X & 2X or 1X & 2X.
This is where you can see the line between the veteran and newbie of this strategy.
Most of the newbies will just reset and start tracking again resulting to longer play.
Ive read somewhere in this or other forum, a member here is just using the 8-12 nuke pattern, he is not playing every spin, he is just observing the ball movement with, he is also observing the air temp and the alignment of the planets :lol: :twisted: before he place his bet. i am not sure how he do it and i don't know if he is winning or losing what i know is he is satisfied with his game play.
I can say that winkel's GUT is one of those strategy that are not for everyone.
by the way, this is also same concept with KWTQ's CURVE the difference is that you have to observe lots of sets, be it RB, EO, HL, Dozens, streets, etc.
my 2cents
nottophammer,
you could be right and you could also be wrong. for discussion purposes, if the 19-18(crossing) setup is produced after 18 spins then its very likely that it will hit the 18 because it says we haven't encountered a repeat so far. , but if the 19-18(crossing) setup is produced after 27 spins then most likely the next number is a repeat.
i agree sam, these kind of strategies need to be understand thoroughly before you can even begin testing it.
problem is some people just wanted free meal, they wanted the strategy to be converted to IV. you need to provide test results, progression , bots and spreadsheets or else you will be called a scammer.
check out this attachment, this might be a small sample size but it is interesting to see that we have the following:
1. even in the early spins we already encountered the 1X & 2X crossing means less numbers to bet.
2. after 50 spins, the crossing are getting smaller less numbers to bet.
3. we really don't have to bet on the crossing we can also bet on the repeat, less number although more patience are needed.
:smile:
Here is a video by SAM.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9943.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9943.0)
What do you guys use for tracking GUT? You need to do a lot of tracking. I used to play it a few years ago but somehow i gave up on it. I know the basics, but the tracking was alot of work.
Maybe i can build a decent tracking online using php. If i know what you guys want to track and how it must me displayed maybe i can build some handy online tool :)
am playing in a b&m casino so pen n paper for me. and yes its lots of work to do, need to be vigilant all the time. not for 90yo n above i think. :xd:
currently studying swift, i know it will be handy but i am not sure if casino will allow this kind if stuff though
Marvin
I maybe getting told off for saying this but you dont have to just bet the crossings, if you can read the trot there are bets available.
RayMan
theres the paper tracker on here i've even coloured in Winkels LOTT
Game in cambourne to night stopped at £12.20 for .20p units,think if winning 39 units jump Winkel says,i maybe wrong
Before studying GUT i used to play the 37 numbers off the Mat and used this to record.
I got the winning part. Most of the time i make a jump when i'm 30+ units ahead. That goes very well most of the times. What i don't really have under control are the losing session or sessions from hell... I keep betting wrong. I could easily lose 100+ units in no time. Every bet i'm thinking. This one will hit, it does not.
When do you make a jump for a losing session. What are the indicators? If i have that under control it's really easy to make some decent money.
RayMan
do you play just GUT or do you watch the trot where you can pick up other bets.
i just play gut. I know you got alot of other stats for your play but i cant follow anything you are doing. It's all magic to me with alot of terms and stats you use and i don't know.
Just saying about GUT . Its the best system and works in fair game. Mr winkel has done a get job and thanks to him again. But i have question to mr winkle or to any expert. In a fair game it works but in a crooked rng. ? Vegas star roulette machine that destroy everything. There is no problem with the effectiveness of gut but this machine is highly crooked and beat this. This machine just watch where u place your bet and play against.as it is indicated that it will work on rng too. How to deal with this. I have found 19-18 situation from 23 spin to 36 continiously. Its in sydney. There is very rare chance to play with real wheel and all replaced by this rng.and one more thing u cant do testing with previous rng spin because the machine shows its cruel face once u place bet. Looking for answer from the experts. Anyway i am new here . Thanks in advance
If you practice GUT and follow it correctly. It will work anywhere in the universe.
Be it RNG, Air Ball or live Dealer.
Your delusional. ::)
Quote from: The General on Aug 02, 03:01 AM 2016
Your delusional. ::)
Arguing with you is an insult to stupid people.
If you post the spin results I can have a look at them.
Quote from: Azim on Aug 02, 03:03 AM 2016
Arguing with you is an insult to stupid people.
I promise you that ignoring him will hit a nerve
Just everyone please stop entertaining him. Let the posts get buried. Ignore.
Quote from: Rolletti on Aug 02, 08:29 AM 2016
If you post the spin results I can have a look at them.
Rolletti have you simulated GUT and managed to get it to win over 1,000,000 spins using the checkpoint rules, etc?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 02, 09:21 AM 2016
Rolletti have you simulated GUT and managed to get it to win over 1,000,000 spins using the checkpoint rules, etc?
No, I have not. I wish I could code that well and quick to do it.
Quote from: Madi on Jul 25, 01:47 AM 2016
Just saying about GUT. Its the best system and works in fair game.
Not totally sure if I agree it is the best system, but it will definitely work if practiced enough in a fair game. Fair being the operative word here.
This is easily one of the few methods of betting that I have regularly practiced that I would regard as a HG or as close as you are going to get and it is free. :thumbsup:
This machine is like one player is
Playing against another player. It always bring early repeter and make two crossing together . If u play this one it brings another one. The mentioned situation described by winkle i can find rarely. The first crossing it start with 2x to 3x most of the time. Even i find say 16 15 i bet . After betting 2 time together when i lose it brings the number exactly in 3 time. It happens very regularly. But when i play a fair wheel most of the time situations are winner. Exactly match what winkel advised. Anyone has any exp playing this in vegas star . Thanks in advance.
Can give u some example. About trot. Winkel advised 37-50 there will be 9 unhit . In fair wheel i found its preety much same. But in vegas star to check that wht i have done is at 37 spin
I got 16 unhit. I kept betting this 16 number till 50 spin. No. Believe me not a single time it hit that 16 number. But normally it has to come 9 unhit or near.this machine does this. This very normal to this machine. It just look up my bet when i place it in screen and play against sometimes giving me a small miney. Very sad. Anyway i will keep trying.
Is there any tracker that can track up to 10x.?thanks in advance
Quote from: Madi on Aug 03, 06:00 AM 2016
This machine is like one player is
Playing against another player. It always bring early repeter and make two crossing together . If u play this one it brings another one. The mentioned situation described by winkle i can find rarely. The first crossing it start with 2x to 3x most of the time. Even i find say 16 15 i bet . After betting 2 time together when i lose it brings the number exactly in 3 time. It happens very regularly. But when i play a fair wheel most of the time situations are winner. Exactly match what winkel advised. Anyone has any exp playing this in vegas star . Thanks in advance.
A 2x vs. 3x crossing requires less units than the 0x vs. 1x or 1x vs. 2x. If your overservations are true MOST of the time, that would be a huge edge for you. Just play that and you are rich in no time.
You are right . I also thought about it rouletti. Now saying what it does. Say 2x got 2 number and 3x got 1 . So its a crossing. It happens in initial 20- 25 spin. It nicely increase the number of 2x. Say from 2 number to now its 4 . Then very nicely transfer the number from 2x to 3x and make it 3 number in 2x and 2 number in 3x.like i said before u r playing infront of me and placing bet and i am playing against u sometimes giving u a little bit of winning to keep u on board. But at the end say in 5-6 hr takes all money. $200 is nothing for this machine. Its hungry like a shark
Hi there experts, if someone can analyze for me show me where is my fault. I lost this session. Plz dont say start over. These are very normal common number for vegas star rng. U ll get worst if u start over. I am posting the numbers here. If you decide not to bet any crossing plz explain why you avoid. Thanks in advance.
35
7
19
24
0
10
17
18
5
10
25
16
7
36
9
8
0
21
19
11
18
14
19
12
26
23
17
9
26
16
7
33
11
31
7
11
18
19
0
2
3
11
3
15
32
3
1
Where is the problem?
Sp Nm W/L =0 =1 >1 =2 >2 Adv bet = BRoll
- - 37 0 0 0 0 0
1 35 36 1
2 7 35 2
3 19 34 3
4 24 33 4
5 0 32 5
6 10 31 6
7 17 30 7
8 18 29 8
9 5 28 9
10 10 28 8 1 1
11 25 27 9 1 1
12 16 26 10 1 1
13 7 26 9 2 2
14 36 25 10 2 2
15 9 24 11 2 2
16 8 23 12 2 2
17 0 23 11 3 3
18 21 22 12 3 3
19 19 22 11 4 4
20 11 21 12 4 4
21 18 21 11 5 5
22 14 20 12 5 5
23 19 20 12 5 4 1
24 12 19 13 5 4 1
25 26 18 14 5 4 1
26 16 18 13 6 5 1
27 7 18 13 6 4 2
28 33 17 14 6 4 2
29 11 17 13 7 5 2
30 31 16 14 7 5 2
31 7 16 14 7 5 2
32 11 16 14 7 4 3 =2: 0 10 16 18 4 -4
33 18 W 16 14 7 3 4 +32
34 19 16 14 7 3 4
35 0 16 14 7 2 5
36 2 15 15 7 2 5 =0: 1 3 4 6 13 15 20 22 23 27 28 29 30 32 34 15 +17
37 3 W 14 16 7 2 5 +53
38 11 14 16 7 2 5
39 3 14 15 8 3 5
40 15 13 16 8 3 5
41 32 12 17 8 3 5
42 3 12 17 8 2 6
43 1 11 18 8 2 6
Hi winkle thanks for your answer. I think you missed some number after 25 spin. In my posting after 25 spin there are some number you didnt take. Can you plz have a look? Thanks
Sorry i think i got it. Its not missing. But how you do this ? When you do this?
Its spot on to 25th spin.
1st crossing is spin 33 Lose, then at 39 and then 40 as well and wins
I know that wins. As i can remember if u find 2 or 3 crossing at a time u should avoid betting. If i am wrong let me know.why would u bet only that crossing not the other two crossing in the same line. My target was 39+ unit in 50 spin.see winkle solved it in a different way.
@notto
Another one from yesterday .plz play till 39+unit
24
12
8
7
4
35
6
23
2
8
31
32
16
17
12
29
31
2
25
26
12
16
35
19
15
34
7
14
28
3
24
25
33
26
20
25
0
5
33
6
34
8
13
11
2
18
8
2
22
23
Just for you betting 0x's +52, have you had a bet yet
Spin No. Repeat? Non-hit count Progression Result Bank
1 24 37
2 12 36
3 8 35
4 7 34
5 4 33
6 35 32
7 6 31
8 23 30
9 2 29
10 8 R 28
11 31 28 1 8 8
12 32 27 1 9 17
13 16 26 1 10 27
14 17 25 1 11 38
15 12 R 24 1 -24 14
16 29 24 2 24 38
17 31 R 23 1 -23 15
18 2 R 23 2 -46 -31
19 25 23 3 39 8
20 26 22 2 28 36
21 12 R 21 1 -21 15
22 16 R 21 2 -42 -27
23 35 R 21 3 -63 -90
24 19 21 4 60 -30
25 15 20 3 48 18
26 34 19 2 34 52
27 7 R 18 1 -18 34
28 14 18 2 36 70
29 28 17 1 19 89
30 3 16 1 20 109
31 24 R 15 1 -15 94
32 25 R 15 2 -30 64
33 33 15 3 63 127
34 26 R 14 2 -28 99
35 20 14 3 66 165
36 25 R 13 2 -26 139
37 0 13 3 69 208
38 5 12 2 48 256
39 33 R 11 1 -11 245
40 6 R 11 2 -22 223
41 34 R 11 3 -33 190
42 8 R 11 4 -44 146
43 13 11 5 125 271
44 11 10 4 104 375
45 2 R 9 3 -27 348
46 18 9 4 108 456
47 8 R 8 3 -24 432
48 2 R 8 4 -32 400
49 22 8 5 140 540
50 23 R 7 4 -28 512
51 6 R 7 5 -35 477
52 0 R 7 6 -42 435
53 30 7 7 203 638
54 25 R 6 6 -36 602
55 34 R 6 7 -42 560
56 31 R 6 8 -48 512
57 0 R 6 9 -54 458
58 35 R 6 10 -60 398
59 7 R 6 11 -66 332
60 34 R 6 12 -72 260
Sorry for the mistake:
Sp Nm W/L =0 =1 >1 =2 >2 Adv bet = BRoll
- - 37 0 0 0 0 0
1 35 36 1
2 7 35 2
3 19 34 3
4 24 33 4
5 0 32 5
6 10 31 6
7 17 30 7
8 18 29 8
9 5 28 9
10 10 28 8 1 1
11 25 27 9 1 1
12 16 26 10 1 1
13 7 26 9 2 2
14 36 25 10 2 2
15 9 24 11 2 2
16 8 23 12 2 2
17 0 23 11 3 3
18 21 22 12 3 3
19 19 22 11 4 4
20 11 21 12 4 4
21 18 21 11 5 5
22 14 20 12 5 5
23 19 20 12 5 4 1
24 12 19 13 5 4 1
25 26 18 14 5 4 1
26 23 17 15 5 4 1
27 17 17 14 6 5 1
28 9 17 13 7 6 1
29 26 17 12 8 7 1
30 16 17 11 9 8 1
31 7 17 11 9 7 2
32 33 16 12 9 7 2
33 11 16 11 10 8 2 =1: 5 8 12 14 21 23 24 25 33 35 36 11 -11
34 31 L 15 12 10 8 2 -11
35 7 15 12 10 8 2
36 11 15 12 10 7 3
37 18 15 12 10 6 4
38 19 15 12 10 6 4
39 0 15 12 10 5 5 =2: 9 10 16 17 26 5 -16
40 2 L 14 13 10 5 5 =0: 1 3 4 6 13 15 20 22 27 28 29 30 32 34 14 -30
41 3 W 13 14 10 5 5 =2: 9 10 16 17 26 5 +1
42 11 L 13 14 10 5 5 =2: 9 10 16 17 26 5 -4
43 3 L 13 13 11 6 5 =0: 1 4 6 13 15 20 22 27 28 29 30 32 34 13 -17
44 15 W 12 14 11 6 5 =0: 1 4 6 13 20 22 27 28 29 30 32 34 12 +7
45 32 W 11 15 11 6 5 =0: 1 4 6 13 20 22 27 28 29 30 34 11 +32
46 3 L 11 15 11 5 6 =0: 1 4 6 13 20 22 27 28 29 30 34 11 +21
47 1 W 10 16 11 5 6 +57
But what is your problem? I don´t understand.
Sp Nm W/L =0 =1 >1 =2 >2 Adv bet = BRoll
- - 37 0 0 0 0 0
1 24 36 1
2 12 35 2
3 8 34 3
4 7 33 4
5 4 32 5
6 35 31 6
7 6 30 7
8 23 29 8
9 2 28 9
10 8 28 8 1 1
11 31 27 9 1 1
12 32 26 10 1 1
13 16 25 11 1 1
14 17 24 12 1 1
15 12 24 11 2 2
16 29 23 12 2 2
17 31 23 11 3 3
18 2 23 10 4 4
19 25 22 11 4 4
20 26 21 12 4 4
21 12 21 12 4 3 1
22 16 21 11 5 4 1
23 35 21 10 6 5 1
24 19 20 11 6 5 1
25 15 19 12 6 5 1
26 34 18 13 6 5 1
27 7 18 12 7 6 1
28 14 17 13 7 6 1
29 28 16 14 7 6 1
30 3 15 15 7 6 1 =0: 0 1 5 9 10 11 13 18 20 21 22 27 30 33 36 15 -15
31 24 L 15 14 8 7 1 =0: 0 1 5 9 10 11 13 18 20 21 22 27 30 33 36 15 -30
32 25 L 15 13 9 8 1 -30
33 33 14 14 9 8 1 =0: 0 1 5 9 10 11 13 18 20 21 22 27 30 36 14 -44
34 26 L 14 13 10 9 1 =0: 0 1 5 9 10 11 13 18 20 21 22 27 30 36 14 -58
35 20 W 13 14 10 9 1 -22
36 25 13 14 10 8 2
37 0 12 15 10 8 2
38 5 11 16 10 8 2 =0: 1 9 10 11 13 18 21 22 27 30 36 11 -33
39 33 L 11 15 11 9 2 =0: 1 9 10 11 13 18 21 22 27 30 36 11 -44
40 6 L 11 14 12 10 2 =0: 1 9 10 11 13 18 21 22 27 30 36 11 -55
41 34 L 11 13 13 11 2 =1: 0 3 4 5 14 15 17 19 20 23 28 29 32 13 -68
42 8 L 11 13 13 10 3 =1: 0 3 4 5 14 15 17 19 20 23 28 29 32 13 -81
43 13 L 10 14 13 10 3 =1: 0 3 4 5 13 14 15 17 19 20 23 28 29 32 14 -95
44 11 L 9 15 13 10 3 -95
45 2 9 15 13 9 4 =0: 1 9 10 18 21 22 27 30 36 9 -104
46 18 W 8 16 13 9 4 -68
47 8 8 16 13 9 4
48 2 8 16 13 9 4
49 22 7 17 13 9 4
50 23 * End of Session
One of my first and most simple rules: 2 crossings lost in a row: Jump! or stop playing.
Thanks mr winkle. Believe me the rng just play against me. Have tried all ur rules. If i start a new one it also start with a lose. Anyway will upload the spins of 3 session back to back lose with $250 with photo of the electronic board. Always like ur explanation. Win or lose i m ur fan. Thanks
Hi winkle,
If u lose two crossing in a row say i will stop playing. Its the rule . Two crossing in a row what it means? Say if u lose 23 and 24 th spin back to back . Or say u lose 23rd spin and then again 32nd spin but in between there is no win.if u look at the session where u made +57 . In spin 42 and 43 there was two lose back to back which can end the session in minus. Looking for your opinion. Thanks again
Here are some other spin i played that day and lost . It was a backtrack spin and linked to the session where winkle made +57 .it was in vegas star rng.
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29
36
31
22
18
35
5
29
21
17
36
2
11
7
24
19
8
11
32
23
26
16
35
7
19
24
0
10
17
18
5
10
25
16
7
36
Thanks in advance
Quote from: Madi on Nov 13, 08:55 PM 2016
Here are some other spin i played that day and lost . It was a backtrack spin and linked to the session where winkle made +57 .it was in vegas star rng.
Nothing to do with GUT, every semi or professional player should understand GUT.
Its for, Just for Mogul397, sorry to hack your post.
27
29
36
31
22
18 heres our avg of5.555555556
35
5 heres our single
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21
17
36
2
11
7
24
19
8
11
32
23
26
16
35Again our avg of 5.555555556
7 our single
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24
0
10
17
18
5
10
25
16
7
36
Thanks in advance
Tomola any help,
again sorry for the hack.
Hi Madi,
the same: 2 crossings lost in a row!
17 17 moves away to 17 16
17 16 moves away to 17 15
next crossing
15 15 moves away to 15 14
here I would stop and jump, because again a crossing moves away
15 14 moves away to 15 13 absolutely STOP
You don´t have to play until you are bankrupt. If the trot is bad to you, just move away. Jump to find a trot which lets you win.
Tahnks winkel
Madi
try these #'s from steve multi player, made+250 on repeats at spins 26,27,28.
MPR load of rubbish to me, seems its software giving #'s and pays out cheapest where can.
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35
19
22
26
19
30
32
13
12
24
18
16
30
34
3
25
14
24
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36
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Quote from: Ross on Nov 23, 11:56 PM 2016
Winkel should be ashamed to be promoting
this nonsense. Clearly he's learned nothing
in the eight or so years since he revealed
this ridiculous theory at VLS.
This is just a personal attack. Im sure there are more people want to listen to what Winkel has to say than listen to you attack him without being provoked.
I am one, for sure.
I have put you on moderate for a few post. Hopefully you were just a bit drunk or something.
Quote from: Ross on Nov 24, 04:02 PM 2016
And can you give me a reference to anyone who's used your idea to make consistent profits? Seems that
anyone who's tried it has given it up as useless.
Did not give up. Make profit for more than 6 month. Not every session is a winner but every week is in profit.
R.
Quote from: Rolletti on Nov 25, 01:12 PM 2016
Did not give up. Make profit for more than 6 month. Not every session is a winner but every week is in profit.
Good for you. But the important number is how much you win
on a winning bet and how much you lose on a losing bet.
With reference to Winkel's claim that I don't understand
GUT I wonder how I was able, in 2008, to write this
programme:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2016/11/25/temp_514212.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/trP9)
You can download it here: link:://tinyurl.com/h467jwz (link:://tinyurl.com/h467jwz)
GUT is simply a complicated way of betting on unhit numbers
(a view I expressed at VLS in 2008) which is still true.
Quote from: Ross on Nov 25, 04:07 PM 2016
With reference to Winkel's claim that I don't understand
GUT I wonder how I was able, in 2008, to write this
programme:
....
GUT is simply a complicated way of betting on unhit numbers
(a view I expressed at VLS in 2008) which is still true.
If you had understood you would have more than 2 graphs.
And only "betting on unhit numbers" isn´t true, was never ever true and will not be true.
look at these possible crossings to play:
Quote from: winkel on Nov 26, 01:48 PM 2016If you had understood you would have more than 2 graphs.
And only "betting on unhit numbers" isn´t true, was never ever true and will not be true.
look at these possible crossings to play:
If you want more graphs click the buttons
"2 Hits", "3 Hits" etc.
Quote from: Ross on Nov 26, 03:51 PM 2016
If you want more graphs click the buttons
"2 Hits", "3 Hits" etc.
so you confess your claim "only unhit numbers" is wrong.
No, my claim is correct. You're just looking at a
different line. If you're comparing numbers
with two hits with numbers with three hits
you're betting on numbers which haven't hit
three times. If you remove one hit from each
you looking at the difference between one hit
and two. (Just move up to the next line.) If
you deduct two hits from each you doing what
I said - betting on unhit numbers.
BTW turn off graphs by clicking again on the same
buttons.
Quote from: Ross on Nov 26, 04:26 PM 2016
No, my claim is correct. You're just looking at a
different line. If you're comparing numbers
with two hits with numbers with three hits
you're betting on numbers which haven't hit
three times. If you remove one hit from each
you looking at the difference between one hit
and two. (Just move up to the next line.) If
you deduct two hits from each you doing what
I said - betting on unhit numbers.
BTW turn off graphs by clicking again on the same
buttons.
You are joking! How can you say 18 times hit vs 19 times hit is betting on unhit numbers, because you say it is equal to no hit vs 1 hit.
with that logical equipment you can´t beat roulette. Neither do you recommend your software.
I think that anyone thinking of using GUT
to play roulette should have a look at
this first:
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=3938.0 (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=3938.0)
Clearly proves that it doesn't work any better that expected i.e -2.7%
at what point anywhere was a claim made that GUT in any way, shape, or form overcame the expected 2.7%?
Quote from: Ross on Nov 27, 06:20 PM 2016
Clearly proves that it doesn't work any better that expected i.e -2.7%
You did forget to mention that I said: If it wouldn´t end -2.7% we couldn´t bet this strategy.
It is not a system that you are figting. It is a strategy. It just tries to avoid losses.
KonFuSed did bet every crossing that appeared.
Take this example:
The first crossing to bet is 17 17.
Earliest spin to appear is
20 singles to get 17 20
3 repeats to get 17 17
this means earliest position is after spin 23
spin 24 bet and loss
spin 25 bet and loss
stop
the latest position for 17 17 is about at spin 45
21 times 17 17, we bet only 2 of them.
any 17 numbers will appear with a probability of 17/37 against 20/37
Imagine we would play 3700 times this crossing.
We should win 1700 times and lose 2000 times
We lost already 21 times.
Now the chance to win has changed to 1700 wins to 1969 losses!
What is now our probability?
Did KonFuSed check this in his test?
BTW: What makes you so angry about GUT? Why don´t you take your energy and hate to fight Martingales, EC-Bets, Waiting for x-Bets?
No one is forced to bet with this GUT. Everyone is said to test it test it test it and has to learn how to handle.
It is for free and is open for discussion and comments.
Why this hate?
The only thing that the test proves is, that if you bet alle the crossing you will end up with a 2.7% loss.
BUT, with GUT you don't bet every crossing. Only if the crossing s more likely to hit. Fast trot vs. slow trot. What has already hit? ect.
If you think that the test proves anything you don't understand GUT at all...
All roulette systems are a guessing game.
The question to be answered is "How informed is your guess".
Since with GUT you're only guessing whether the next
number has/hasn't hit in a certain number of spins
(and with GUT this so small as to be insignificant)
on a scale of 1 to 10 I'd rate GUT at no more than 2.
Its works . The thing is we cant handle it properly. Leave the graph and chart come on the field . Play everyday 50 spin show him u lose in what point. The big point is that he is still here to answer question for eight years. U cant find any other grail publisher like this. They disappear. Let him teach us why it works and u also teach us how to beat roulette not why gut doesnt work.
@ rouletti and winkle . Do u paly live manual wheel or rng?
Note: i have read the statement it works everywhere. But for me rng and manual wheel is not the same.
Thanks in advance
Madi
I play on RNG, Live Dealer and Airball. It depends on how much time I have to play. Live Dealer needs patience if you have to jump 2-3 times or even more often.
R.
Thanks rouletti.
How is the performence in rng. ? It always give me a hard time. I play vegas star rng . Live one better but i have very less chance to play. Do u play only flat bet?. Or jump after two lose increase bet a bit? Would be happy if u share ur rng experience.may be i need to practice more.
Thanks
Madi
RNG: I feel tends more then real wheels to produce pretty extreme trots. Very slow trots I just jump, very fast trots I focus on trends, if the trot does what I expect I bet 2 to 5 units.
I don't necessarely jump after two losses, but watch how the trot continues without betting until it does what I want to see.
R.
Do you track down with pen nd paper or software in ur phone. ? In here casion dont allow using phone during play and pen nd paper slow. Anyway thanks very much for ur answer.
Thanks
Madi
With the right equipment, you can video record all spins you need, then later extract the data.
This is what you need a spy glasses link:://m.ebay.com/itm/262226763971 and collect as many as you can data.
They aren't very good quality, i have them. The only benefit is its easy to aim the camera. But downside is you can't record long and they are fugly chunky glasses that feel cheap and flimsy. A better option is a well placed mobile phone.
Quote from: Madi on Nov 29, 04:53 AM 2016
Do you track down with pen nd paper or software in ur phone. ? In here casion dont allow using phone during play and pen nd paper slow. Anyway thanks very much for ur answer.
Thanks
Madi
I play GUT online only and I use a tracker/clicker tool. I could not do it in a B&M casino or by paper pencil notation.
R.
I think glasses r not the solution. The time is 40sec to 1 min per spin. I understand u can record them. But when u place the bet u need to look the numbers. Cant remember 17 or 16 number. I play in b & m casino. Rng allow to use phone bcz they know unless manipulation u cant beat them. But manual wheel doesnt allow phone during play. Cant use pen paper bcz too much crowd there.
In reply to post No. 63 your objections were
dealt with in the same series of posts.
BTW Winkel, why do so many of your posts appear
with nothing in them? Have you deleted claims
which you later regretted?
Quote from: Ross on Nov 29, 01:24 PM 2016
BTW Winkel, why do so many of your posts appear
with nothing in them? Have you deleted claims
which you later regretted?
No!
If you don´t like GUT. Don#t read it, don't play it. It is that easy.
I don't like your software. Did I hate you for that? No! I just read it and rejected it. What I don´t like, I don't comment.
There is no need for spreading hatress. If other people like, okay that's what they do. Why do I have to bother?
If you think, GUT won't work. Just say it and go away. I don't have to be ashamed of an idea I had. You have to be ashamed for your hate.
@ Mr Winkle
Got some more question?
" if the trot is fast dont bet early crossings"
Which one you called early crossing?
1. Crossing that appear Before spin 25? Or
2. 19-18,18-18, 17-17? Or.......?
"If the trot is slow dont bet late crossing" which one you call late crossing? After spin 40 or spin 45 or???
Another one?
Your second checkpoint at 25th spin says that
18-19. 14-15. 3-5
So if 17-17 appear at 23 spin from any sequence and from any condition. Should we bet on that???
The checkpoint is saying that there is very less chance that a "0" will appear again.
Waiting for your advice . Thanks
Madi
All these checkpoints and hints are made for orientation.
for example:
fast trot
20 14
19 15
18 16
17 17
4 hits in a row! Would you bet for a 5th?
slow trot
16 16
16 15
16 14
15 15
first crossing didn´t hit because there were repeaters. Believing the it changes now to get fast is Gamblers Fallacy. It might stay slow and go to 15 14 an 15 13
The steps at spin 13, 25 and 37 just tell you if the trot is slow or fast or normal. Lastly the decision is on you how you judge the situation.
fast trot
17 20
17 19
17 18
17 17
4 repeats in a row. what is more likely? A 5th or another fast after this "Full stop" after fast?
If in doubt don´t bet or jump to get out of this guesswork.
Advice noted. Thanks again mr. Winkle
Quote from: winkel on Nov 29, 01:38 PM 2016If you don´t like GUT. Don#t read it, don't play it. It is that easy.
I don't like your software. Did I hate you for that? No! I just read it and rejected it. What I don´t like, I don't comment.
There is no need for spreading hatress. If other people like, okay that's what they do. Why do I have to bother?
If you think, GUT won't work. Just say it and go away. I don't have to be ashamed of an idea I had. You have to be ashamed for your hate.
Winkel
You seem to be big on hate. My mother told me it was a word
I wasn't to use and I never have.
I don't "hate" you or anyone else on the planet no matter how
"bad" a person I think they are.
There are people and ideas I don't like but I don't hate them
or their ideas.
Quote from: Ross on Nov 30, 04:31 PM 2016
My mother told me it was a word
I wasn't to use and I never have.
You're not knowing the word and you are not using the word. But you act in the meaning of the word.
Pls read your first comment again and explain: What was the purpose of this comment?
von Klinker is right, please explain the meaning of "word" what do you mean word by word.
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 28, 09:39 AM 2016
The only thing that the test proves is, that if you bet alle the crossing you will end up with a 2.7% loss.
BUT, with GUT you don't bet every crossing. Only if the crossing s more likely to hit. Fast trot vs. slow trot. What has already hit? ect.
If you think that the test proves anything you don't understand GUT at all...
So what is it that tells you a "crossing" is more likely to hit?
Just guess-work I'd say.
GUT is more than a guess. It is an educated guess
An educated guess is the best bet one could have in roulette besides a biased wheel which is as rare as a three pound truffle
It tells u how to bet given the current circumstances
Roulette can be played a million different ways
If said way does not suit you just move on
Quote from: Ross on Dec 02, 09:01 PM 2016
So what is it that tells you a "crossing" is more likely to hit?
Just guess-work I'd say.
A crossing has to cross and it will cross.
Every bet on an unknown outcome is a guess!
So you are claiming that you don´t have to guess. You know what comes up next? Pls. Tell us!
Why are we still seeing this method,system or idea being slated, it is 100%.
Yes the lines will cross, but the ? is when.
Don't you like being at the cross road of making a decision that is right at that moment, do you bet it will cross or bet it wont cross.
How do you make that decision? points 13,25 and 37
Quote from: winkel on Dec 03, 06:24 AM 2016A crossing has to cross and it will cross.
Every bet on an unknown outcome is a guess!
So you are claiming that you don´t have to guess. You know what comes up next? Pls. Tell us!
"He's just a very naughty boy" (Life of Brian)
Winkel
Don't you know that it's considered the height of rudeness to shout?
Why are you so insecure in the face of any criticism of your so-called
Holy Grail?
Ross,
You are starting to grate
last chance then you are on moderate.
Turner
Please explain.
Is it because I don't agree with Winkel?
Is it because "shouting" is OK on this forum?
Is it because "free speech" isn't allowed here?
If you want to kill off this forum just keep denying
members the right to free speech.
Quote from: Ross on Dec 05, 04:07 PM 2016
If you want to kill off this forum just keep denying
members the right to free speech.
Listen Ross, we had 12 months of complete crap with Ken and his mental breakdown and all the mess that stirred up and Caleb Johnson messing every thread up and upsetting everyone with their
freedom of speechSince they were banned, this forum has been settled and productive.
People want it to stay that way. I will continue to try and support the general view of the majority rather than pander to the one offs and mavericks who seek to disrupt.
What we did wrong in the past was letting it get to chaos. We should of nipped it in the bud sooner.
Im doing that now by having a polite chat.
You arnt banned
You arnt Moderated
Freedom of speech was never the question
It was always the fine line of re-hashing and badgering
Basically ross there is free speech here. Just don't bust balls.
Turner
Thanks for your kind words.
Moderator by name, moderate by nature I say.
I hope you're not suggesting that any comments I
make about the "Holy Grail" might cause Winkel
to have a nervous breakdown.
Well, I've been there and done that.
We had protested about the behavior of some
new people in the flat above us. Very strange
carry-on we thought.
Then one Saturday I opened the Express and
saw a full-page story about the arrest of a
notorious drug-smuggler who was allegedly
implicated in two murders. One of the names
mentioned led me to believe that they were
our neighbours.
Because of my protests about their behaviour
they concluded that I was responsible for
their arrest. Months of intimidation followed
and culminated in two shots being fired
through one of our windows in the dead of
night.
So I had a nervous breakdown. Wouldn't you?
What really pissed me off was that they were
fellow Australians. Because three of the four
flats in the building were occupied by
Australians the police came to the conclusion
that we were all members of the gang.
The leader of the gang had so successfully eluded
capture that the Australian Government wouldn't
put him on a commercial flight and sent an Air
Force aeroplane to Brise Norton to be sure of
getting him to Sydney.
So after three weeks in the psychiatric wing
of St Mary's Hospital in Paddington (what a
bunch of loonies - and that includes some of
the staff) it was a year before I was able to
return to work.
So my advice is don't have a nervous breakdown
or at least have a good reason for it.
Quote from: Ross on Dec 02, 09:01 PM 2016
So what is it that tells you a "crossing" is more likely to hit?
Just guess-work I'd say.
If you are as smart as you want everyone to believe you are. This would have been the dumbest question asked.
This has been explained on all threads that have GUT mentioned. Based on your question I am under the assumption that you haven't read any thing and have just been opening your mouth.
There is one person who fit's this emo. I only hope its not him under different name.
Got a question again?
With due respect to mr. winkle
As we already know that normally in 37 spin cycle 24 number hit once , 12 number hit more than once and 10-13 number remains unhit.
Say if we got a position comes as a crossing like 16 unhit vs 15 hit. After analyzing all the trot and other thing we decided to bet on 16 unhit number.
So my question is we already know 12 number will remain unhit in 37 spin and that 12 number is inside that 16 unhit number if i m not wrong. So in that case we have only 4 numbers left inside that 16 number which will hit in the remaining spin till 37.
So it is 4 vs 15 number?( unless we assume that in 37 spin 37 differrent number will hit)
I have tried to make u understand with my word. Am i wrong? Looking for your valuable advice.
Madi
Quote from: Madi on Feb 08, 04:29 PM 2017
So my question is we already know 12 number will remain unhit in 37 spin and that 12 number is inside that 16 unhit number if i m not wrong. So in that case we have only 4 numbers left inside that 16 number which will hit in the remaining spin till 37.
So it is 4 vs 15 number?( unless we assume that in 37 spin 37 differrent number will hit)
Madi
It is wrong by logic.
Try it this way:
Whatever we got at spin 25 we expect that in the next 12 spins only 6 new numbers will hit.
If we got 17 at spin 25 we expect 11 numbers left at spin 37.
At the crossing point we check: how many new numbers did already hit and how many are left to hit.
If we got 24 numbers remaining unhit at spin 25 we expect 18 numbers left at spin 37.
and so on.
hope you got it.
br
winkel
Yep got ur point.
Say in 25 th we got 17 unhit and its a crossing.
17 vs 16
At the crossing point which one got more probability 17/37 vs 16/37?
Or 6/ 37 vs 16 /37 ? As i m thinking we can deduct that 11 number ( law of third) will not come in 37.
I might be wrong in my way of thinking. Learning from advice.
Thanks
Madi
My very first post on any roulette forum. I have read 40 out of the 80 pages of "the holy grail or GUT" on another forum, dated 2008, unfortunately too many of winkel posts were deleted (no idea why) and at page 38 he stopped answering questions. I also went through the youtube videos with gut trackers done by 2catsam also many years ago.
I will try to threw my first basic GUT question 8 years later... on this thread that seems active in feb 2017, I beleive I understood the crossing, at least the simple one between hit and unhit just not sure the reasoning behing betting at crossing.
That's not yet my question, I am back soon in a second post. Some of you may ask me to do my homework, well will go through the last 40 pages if I understand the basic idea behind crossing.
Do yourself a favour and buy the ebook!
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 14, 06:22 AM 2017
Do yourself a favour and buy the ebook!
Do yourself a favour just bet the first 7 #'s and if no win carry on with last 7 at 2 units, it's posted how to do it.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 14, 07:02 AM 2017
Do yourself a favour just bet the first 7 #'s and if no win carry on with last 7 at 2 units, it's posted how to do it.
You never posted exact instructions for ktf... need 1 clear post showing how to play. I can then test it. But when you explain something you have to imagine we are all idiots and give overview and context first then drill down deeper into the detail of how to play.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 14, 07:23 AM 2017You never posted exact instructions for ktf... need 1 clear post showing how to play. I can then test it. But when you explain something you have to imagine we are all idiots and give overview and context first then drill down deeper into the detail of how to play.
Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=0JNO0TBbpSc
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 14, 07:23 AM 2017
You never posted exact instructions for ktf... need 1 clear post showing how to play. I can then test it. But when you explain something you have to imagine we are all idiots and give overview and context first then drill down deeper into the detail of how to play.
Yeah Nottophammer..........why can't you communicate more effectively like Falkor!!!
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Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 14, 07:23 AM 2017
You never posted exact instructions for ktf... need 1 clear post showing how to play.
Is that a joke
Not only has he done so, but he has posted a zillion sheets
If you don't understand KTF then man wtf is wrong with you!
You are crazy man!
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Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 14, 07:23 AM 2017
You never posted exact instructions for ktf... need 1 clear post showing how to play. I can then test it. But when you explain something you have to imagine we are all idiots and give overview and context first then drill down deeper into the detail of how to play.
It's explained in detail. It's really not that hard to find it. ;)
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 14, 06:22 AM 2017
Do yourself a favour and buy the ebook!
Winkel said the ebook from gut.co is not his gut strategy, unless there are multiple ebooks for sale.
You guys are being vague and bear-baiting - I'm gonna tell Steve! :'(
Here is my GUT strategy question and I apologyse if it is written somewhere but when the GUT threads are 8 years old it is close to impossible to read all especially with the relevant posts from Winkeld being ereased;
Just talking of unhit numbers and hit numbers to simplify.
I dont get the rational of betting at a crossing of imaginary lines like 19 hits and 18 unhit. Crossing will happen but not quicker than any decrease of unhit and increase of hit that will also happen until they reach this crossing line. How the chance of getting a new hit number and win in 1 bet at exactly a crossing like 19-18 is higher that getting a new hit number at for exemple 12 hit - 25 unhit, I would rather say that it is more probable to have new hit at 12-25 than at 19-18, except that we cannot call it a crossing, but the idea is to have a new hit and win units, no? (Ok, We do get more net units at 19-18 than at 12-25, true)
Also watchinh to 2catsam youtube video, he is using a tracking software, he is betting at 2-2 on the hit twice and hit three times. It probably took multiple spins to have 2 of the twice hit to reach 3 times hit, why suddenly bet on that last 2 hit twice assuming one of them will be hit three times, again I dont see a high probability nor do I get the rational behing this (ok I can bet 18 times on this one if I wish but unless the roulette is biased which would explain why these 2 numbers are being hit multiple times, I could bet 18 times on 2 others numbers)
I am telling myself I must miss something as GUT is here since 8 years,so there is something good behing.
Thanks for any valuable answer,
Quote from: Denis Paris on Mar 14, 10:57 AM 2017
Here is my GUT strategy question and I apologyse if it is written somewhere but when the GUT threads are 8 years old it is close to impossible to read all especially with the relevant posts from Winkeld being ereased;
Just talking of unhit numbers and hit numbers to simplify.
I dont get the rational of betting at a crossing of imaginary lines like 19 hits and 18 unhit. Crossing will happen but not quicker than any decrease of unhit and increase of hit that will also happen until they reach this crossing line. How the chance of getting a new hit number and win in 1 bet at exactly a crossing like 19-18 is higher that getting a new hit number at for exemple 12 hit - 25 unhit, I would rather say that it is more probable to have new hit at 12-25 than at 19-18, except that we cannot call it a crossing, but the idea is to have a new hit and win units, no? (Ok, We do get more net units at 19-18 than at 12-25, true)
Also watchinh to 2catsam youtube video, he is using a tracking software, he is betting at 2-2 on the hit twice and hit three times. It probably took multiple spins to have 2 of the twice hit to reach 3 times hit, why suddenly bet on that last 2 hit twice assuming one of them will be hit three times, again I dont see a high probability nor do I get the rational behing this (ok I can bet 18 times on this one if I wish but unless the roulette is biased which would explain why these 2 numbers are being hit multiple times, I could bet 18 times on 2 others numbers)
I am telling myself I must miss something as GUT is here since 8 years,so there is something good behing.
Thanks for any valuable answer,
I think it has more to do with checkpoints and deciding whether to stay on a particular permutation. The crossings themselves don't appear to have a Non-Random defined limit - but the window doesn't appear to be limitless either - so I think there's some predictability based on which crossings come and when for which type of permutation. However, it remains to be tested properly. Personally, I think is too complicated and restricted to straights - sometimes having to place 18 chips down on different numbers. I would concentrate on Priyanka's random thoughts: aim to parachute your way from outer sections to inside, arriving at straights when only a few key numbers remain with the intention of closing the number cycle around position 1 if possible. Once the cycle is complete then the next cycle is dependent on the last.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 14, 06:22 AM 2017
Do yourself a favour and buy the ebook!
If the brook hasn't made you rich at roulette don't promote it
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Mar 14, 12:34 PM 2017
If the brook hasn't made you rich at roulette don't promote it
I haven't had time to test it... but some interesting ideas... better than all the other crap that gets posted here on a weekly, if not daily, basis.... even if they all fail in the end. Of course only Random Thoughts works for sure - but nobody else has taken it up... ???
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 14, 11:52 AM 2017
I think it has more to do with checkpoints and deciding whether to stay on a particular permutation. The crossings themselves don't appear to have a Non-Random defined limit - but the window doesn't appear to be limitless either - so I think there's some predictability based on which crossings come and when for which type of permutation. However, it remains to be tested properly. Personally, I think is too complicated and restricted to straights - sometimes having to place 18 chips down on different numbers. I would concentrate on Priyanka's random thoughts: aim to parachute your way from outer sections to inside, arriving at straights when only a few key numbers remain with the intention of closing the number cycle around position 1 if possible. Once the cycle is complete then the next cycle is dependent on the last.
Falcom, I suppose there must be a thread related to these Priyanka random thoughts, did not find it using the search tool ?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 14, 12:40 PM 2017
I haven't had time to test it... but some interesting ideas... better than all the other crap that gets posted here on a weekly, if not daily, basis.... even if they all fail in the end. Of course only Random Thoughts works for sure - but nobody else has taken it up... ???
A:.......don't worry Falkor........not all your ideas are crap.
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Quote from: thelaw on Mar 14, 02:03 PM 2017
A:.......don't worry Falkor........not all your ideas are crap.
Say it with me buddy:
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Mr theLaw, could you describe in a few words the ideal method, the one we usually call HG.
Falkor's genius is so subtle nobody would ever realize!
The nail is in the coffin
Falkor is trolling everyone
Read his threads and explanations
The cat came out the bag when he claimed notto never explained KTF.
GF might be corrupt but at least the ignore member feature works
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Mar 14, 02:21 PM 2017
Mr theLaw, could you describe in a few words the ideal method, the one we usually call HG.
Falkor's genius is so subtle nobody would ever realize!
I sincerely don't know what you're talking about here as the language is too vague. The
"ideal method"???????
"we"?????
"usually call the HG" :question:
Yes.......Falkor is known for his subtlety. :lol:
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Quote from: thelaw on Mar 14, 03:17 PM 2017
I sincerely don't know what you're talking about here as the language is too vague. The "ideal method"???????"we"?????"usually call the HG" :question:
Yes.......Falkor is known for his subtlety. :lol:
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You might need me to refresh your memory, probably you don't remember when you told me that:
''HG for me is to make one winning bet per 100 spins approximately''.
Strange, I wonder if you knew that such thing exists...!
You might deny what I said but regardless what you say on the public, you cannot fool me!
Quote from: thelaw on Mar 14, 03:17 PM 2017
I sincerely don't know what you're talking about here as the language is too vague. The "ideal method"???????"we"?????"usually call the HG" :question:
Yes.......Falkor is known for his subtlety. :lol:
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Rg the ignore member feature does work. Its in your settings called ignore list.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Mar 14, 03:29 PM 2017
You might need me to refresh your memory, probably you don't remember when you told me that:
''HG for me is to make one winning bet per 100 spins approximately''.
Strange, I wonder if you knew that such thing exists...!
You might deny what I said but regardless what you say on the public, you cannot fool me!
With all due respect BA, there must be a language barrier here......because what you posted above doesn't make any sense.
Not sure my exact phrasing.......but it was in reference to a general conservative approach to a long-term strategy, but not to any specific method mentioned on this thread or elsewhere.
I was only denying your statement about Falkor, as any subtlety in his posts is overshadowed by his incessant trolling. :yawn:
Reminds me of the first scam in the film "the Grifters". John Cusack finds a con-man, and asks him to teach him the trade. The con-man says "ok.....give me $20". Cusack gives the man $20, to which the man replays "come tomorrow.........and I'll take you again." What starts with a lie.......and ends with the truth? :ooh:
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I asked a GUT question on a thread that was sleeping since 1 month then bang, everybody talk on all and nothing but GUT !
Apart of an answer from Falcor that I did not quite anderstand, my question remains open
As simplification I refer only to unhit and hit
What is the rational behing betting exactly at imaginary lines crossing, there is nothing proving that the chance of winning is better at that precise moment (19-18) to hit a previously unhit and anytime before. After 8 years someone here should have the answer.
2carsam maybe or directly Winkel if any of you read this??
Thanks
Quote from: Denis Paris on Mar 15, 08:07 AM 2017
Apart of an answer from Falcor that I did not quite anderstand, my question remains open
As simplification I refer only to unhit and hit
What is the rational behing betting exactly at imaginary lines crossing, there is nothing proving that the chance of winning is better at that precise moment (19-18) to hit a previously unhit and anytime before. After 8 years someone here should have the answer.
2carsam maybe or directly Winkel if any of you read this??
Thanks
everybody is looking for a reason to bet. And this bet is meant to win. But why?
If you bet any sleepers you will win by chance or lose due to the odds.
As the numbers drop in they form that lines in the graphs. And one thing is for sure. They will have to cross!
so at the point of 19vs18 we can predict, that the lines will cross, sooner or later. And that is the reason that we start to bet.
If you bet any numbers at any point there is no such reason that they should appear.
Yeah winkel is right: there isn't a strict limit defined for crossings but they do have to happen within a certain window - and each crossing is dependent upon previous crossings.
Quote from: winkel on Mar 15, 03:27 PM 2017
everybody is looking for a reason to bet. And this bet is meant to win. But why?
If you bet any sleepers you will win by chance or lose due to the odds.
As the numbers drop in they form that lines in the graphs. And one thing is for sure. They will have to cross!
so at the point of 19vs18 we can predict, that the lines will cross, sooner or later. And that is the reason that we start to bet.
If you bet any numbers at any point there is no such reason that they should appear.
Winkel, I still dont have the justification why to bet exactly at crossing. Off course it is a sure thing that soon or later the lines will cross, eg 19-18 will become 18-19 same as it is also a sure thing that soon or later 27-10 will become 26-11, but why wait for 19-18 when I sure have a better chance earlier in one single bet to bet on an unhit.
In fact 36-1 is the best moment to bet once to get an unhit (move to 35-2) return is low unfortunately.
My question is still unanswered
As long as you stick at the very first possible crossing, you won´t get the facts.
I said this crossing shouldn´t be bet.
Take another crossing and add more lines to it. 0, 1, 2, 3, >1, >2, >3 then you will see and understand what I meant.
Quote from: winkel on Mar 16, 10:12 AM 2017
As long as you stick at the very first possible crossing, you won´t get the facts.
I said this crossing shouldn´t be bet.
Take another crossing and add more lines to it. 0, 1, 2, 3, >1, >2, >3 then you will see and understand what I meant.
So this bring back my second question on this thread dated 14 of march;
Also watching to 2catsam youtube video, he is using a tracking software, he is betting at 2-2 on the hit twice and hit three times.
It probably took multiple spins to have 2 of the twice hit to reach 3 times hit, why suddenly bet on that last 2 hit twice assuming one of them will be hit three times, again I dont see a high probability nor do I get the rational behing this (ok I can bet 18 times on this one if I wish) but unless the roulette is biased which would explain why these 2 numbers are being hit multiple times, I could bet 18 times on any 2 others numbers
19vs 18 not suggested to bet . Ok lets see why u bet this? Say u bet 34vs 3 . Better chance ? Yes. But risk reward is not satisfactory. U can also lose at that point even two times even three times. Say u lose 2 times. 68 unit gone. Stop playing start again. Now u bet 34vs3. U win. But little. Lets see 19vs 18. After analyzing trot u decided bet on it. U lose first bet. Now it become 19vs17 and then 18vs 18. U bet lose again. U total loss 37 unit . Stop playing start again. Bet again 19vs 18 with 1 unit or 2 unit each number. U will see the difference. Same thing if 16vs16 then 16vs 15. U will get 2 chance if win u in profit. 10vs 9 will get three chance to recover. But ur 36vs 1 risk reward is low. Hope u got the answer
Quote from: Madi on Mar 16, 02:05 PM 2017
19vs 18 not suggested to bet . Ok lets see why u bet this? Say u bet 34vs 3 . Better chance ? Yes. But risk reward is not satisfactory. U can also lose at that point even two times even three times. Say u lose 2 times. 68 unit gone. Stop playing start again. Now u bet 34vs3. U win. But little. Lets see 19vs 18. After analyzing trot u decided bet on it. U lose first bet. Now it become 19vs17 and then 18vs 18. U bet lose again. U total loss 37 unit . Stop playing start again. Bet again 19vs 18 with 1 unit or 2 unit each number. U will see the difference. Same thing if 16vs16 then 16vs 15. U will get 2 chance if win u in profit. 10vs 9 will get three chance to recover. But ur 36vs 1 risk reward is low. Hope u got the answer
U r looking at the crossings independently - but they r all dependent on each other.
Can u explain it in simple word ?
Quote from: Madi on Mar 16, 03:15 PM 2017
Can u explain it in simple word ?
As winkel once said in so many words: if one crossing doesn't cross then others will!
Thats right. We have to play all the crossing.
Quote from: Madi on Mar 16, 03:23 PM 2017
Thats right. We have to play all the crossing.
And what happens with one crossing will have some effect on what happens with the next crossings. But I think that's outside the scope of the ebook.
Sorry falkor i have no idea about ebook. I just read the winkles post and other discussion.but i can remember winkle said if one doesnt other will cross
Quote from: Denis Paris on Mar 16, 01:47 PM 2017
So this bring back my second question on this thread dated 14 of march;
Also watching to 2catsam youtube video, he is using a tracking software, he is betting at 2-2 on the hit twice and hit three times.
It probably took multiple spins to have 2 of the twice hit to reach 3 times hit, why suddenly bet on that last 2 hit twice assuming one of them will be hit three times, again I dont see a high probability nor do I get the rational behing this (ok I can bet 18 times on this one if I wish) but unless the roulette is biased which would explain why these 2 numbers are being hit multiple times, I could bet 18 times on any 2 others numbers
He bet this 2vs2 because it is a crossing. He did bet it despite of me saying: Don´t bet before spin 25. (betting other spins beside crossing was to be explained. But I stopped to explain further possibilities because of to much hate-postings)
And you don´t bet 18 times these 2 numbers because when the crossing disappears you´ll have to stop betting.
The wheel doesn´t have to be biased to to happen that win. I saw several time the same number to hit 3 or 4 Times in the first spins.
Quote from: Madi on Mar 16, 02:05 PM 2017
Ok lets see why u bet this? Say u bet 34vs 3 . Better chance ? Yes. But risk reward is not satisfactory.
I don´t bet these combinations. So it is absurd to dicuss such matter.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 16, 03:25 PM 2017
And what happens with one crossing will have some effect on what happens with the next crossings. But I think that's outside the scope of the ebook.
Nothing effects nothing in Roulette. No crossing any other crossing. A crossing appears due to permutation of the single spins. There can´t be no crossing! And there can´t be no crossing to hit.
And I just try to make an educated guess whether this crossing is to hit or not.
Mr winkle,
Show us some more. At least we learn something.doesnt have to be grail.Haters will hate we cant stop them . Why dont you think about the lovers. Lovers are still there thats why people ask questions after 8 years. I personally learnt a lot from trot analysis .cheers
I don't find any reason why that by betting crossings would be better than betting black VS red numbers.
The reasoning that every group has to cross eventually is flawed, everything has to show up eventualy and crossings are no exception, additionally you have to chart all those numbers in groups which represent how many times a number hit since you start observing it.
Why this method is better than the system next thread?!
Com'on Winkel, are you trying to save a sinking ship?
Why don't you save yourself instead?
I heard about red black crossing. How to play this? Can u plz show or give us a example
Quoteeverything has to show up eventualy and crossings are no exception
But different events have different windows and limits till they show. Crossings have a very narrow window compared to, say, all 0-hits to show at least once.
Quote from: Madi on Mar 16, 05:35 PM 2017
I heard about red black crossing. How to play this? Can u plz show or give us a example
For example you see black was the result of the last spin, bet red on next spin, if you won run to the exit, if you lost move to the next crossing ''odd VS even''... :xd:
:ooh: ok got it blue.
Quote from: Madi on Mar 16, 02:05 PM 2017
19vs 18 not suggested to bet . Ok lets see why u bet this? Say u bet 34vs 3 . Better chance ? Yes. But risk reward is not satisfactory. U can also lose at that point even two times even three times. Say u lose 2 times. 68 unit gone. Stop playing start again. Now u bet 34vs3. U win. But little. Lets see 19vs 18. After analyzing trot u decided bet on it. U lose first bet. Now it become 19vs17 and then 18vs 18. U bet lose again. U total loss 37 unit . Stop playing start again. Bet again 19vs 18 with 1 unit or 2 unit each number. U will see the difference. Same thing if 16vs16 then 16vs 15. U will get 2 chance if win u in profit. 10vs 9 will get three chance to recover. But ur 36vs 1 risk reward is low. Hope u got the answer
Madi, you are just telling it is more convenient because return is better to bet at 19-18 eg at crossing than betting before the crossing but not providing any justification for betting precisely at crossings. I knew 19-18 was not recommanded was using using it as illustration for my question.
Quote from: winkel on Mar 16, 04:42 PM 2017
He bet this 2vs2 because it is a crossing. He did bet it despite of me saying: Don´t bet before spin 25. (betting other spins beside crossing was to be explained. But I stopped to explain further possibilities because of to much hate-postings)
And you don´t bet 18 times these 2 numbers because when the crossing disappears you´ll have to stop betting.
The wheel doesn´t have to be biased to to happen that win. I saw several time the same number to hit 3 or 4 Times in the first spins.
Winkel, you wrote "he bet at 2-2 because it is a crossing" i understood that and thats the only reason why he bet at 2-2, it was probably after 25 spins. I understood too that he does not have to bet 18 consecutive times, he can bet then stop betting until that 2-2 crossing happens and this up to 18 times,
but my question remains what is the rational behing betting at a crossing like this 2-2, I would rather bet on any 2 unhits after 25 spins than on 2 that have been hit twice, knowing that I can bet up to 18 consecutive time until one of these 2 unhit is hit.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Mar 16, 05:29 PM 2017
I don't find any reason why that by betting crossings would be better than betting black VS red numbers.
The reasoning that every group has to cross eventually is flawed, everything has to show up eventualy and crossings are no exception, additionally you have to chart all those numbers in groups which represent how many times a number hit since you start observing it.
Why this method is better than the system next thread?!
Com'on Winkel, are you trying to save a sinking ship?
Why don't you save yourself instead?
I agree with Blue Angel, when I read that crossing has to happen, yes it has but this is not a justification to bet on it, everything has to happen soon or later not only the crossing
36-1 has to happen
25-12 has to happen
19-18 crossing has to happen
Repeat twice has to happen before hitting 3 times
And so on
Quote from: winkel on Mar 16, 04:43 PM 2017
I don´t bet these combinations. So it is absurd to dicuss such matter.
absurd to bring something which is not what you do?
These GUT thread is 8 years old I find strange, should I say absurd, that a proper rational to bet at crossing rather than betting at other moment like 34-3 is not yet explained in this recent thread especially that Winkel is participating.
We are just comparing betting threshold (your is at crossing) and trying to figure why your method ask to bet only at crossing when betting at other moment couls also make sens, Some of us dont have 8 years of practice and maths behing us to figure it.
Quotebut my question remains what is the rational behing betting at a crossing like this 2-2,
The rationale is that a crossing close to a Non-Random event - it has to happen within a certain window - but there's no strict defined limit. Best to study Priyanka's Random Thoughts then come back to this later.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Mar 17, 06:26 AM 2017
The rationale is that a crossing close to a Non-Random event - it has to happen within a certain window - but there's no strict defined limit. Best to study Priyanka's Random Thoughts then come back to this later.
Yes Falkor, I have started 2 days ago to read Random thoughts, your posts and Priyanka posts are for the moment in a language that is outside my confort zone, maybe because I am a non native english speaker, maybe my IQ... but will make more efforts and limit my questions.
Not sure to come back to GUT as GUT was discovered before random thought shows up and I dont get the use of random though to explain the crossing in GUT, was hoping for a clear answer from Winkel, as everything well understood can generaly be easely explain
Ofcource u should pick up more convenient one. When you know that anything can happen better pick up 19vs 18
Rather than 36vs1. And why u pick up 2vs 2? U can pick up 2 unhit for 18 times those could be sleeper. But the two number hit twice 2vs2 is performing above expectation and already lander in the field. These 2 number can go 3 hit 4 hit. Why not this is better bet?
Quote from: Madi on Mar 16, 05:08 PM 2017
Mr winkle,
Show us some more. At least we learn something.doesnt have to be grail.Haters will hate we cant stop them . Why dont you think about the lovers. Lovers are still there thats why people ask questions after 8 years. I personally learnt a lot from trot analysis .cheers
Madi you can see how this is developing to an aggressiv attack by the known people. So this will be one of my last answers to this matter.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Mar 16, 05:29 PM 2017
Why this method is better than the system next thread?!
Com'on Winkel, are you trying to save a sinking ship?
Why don't you save yourself instead?
Again: You are not forced to bet this strategy, nor even to read about it.
Winkel
You are a good contributor
Maybe you need thicker skin
Ignore the negative people
Quote from: Denis Paris on Mar 17, 03:33 AM 2017
but my question remains what is the rational behing betting at a crossing like this 2-2,
The reason is: There is a crossing. Nothing else!
Quote from: Denis Paris on Mar 17, 03:38 AM 2017I agree with Blue Angel, when I read that crossing has to happen, yes it has but this is not a justification to bet on it, everything has to happen soon or later not only the crossing
36-1 has to happen
25-12 has to happen
19-18 crossing has to happen
Repeat twice has to happen before hitting 3 times
And so on
Well Denis Paris, nice nick there! You remind me of the Beano :)
Apart from some awful words being used here, you do bring in a very good perspective.
I believe winkel has become tired of answering sceptics and I am not sure whether you will receive the reply you are expecting. I am not an expert in GUT, but winkel has clarified earlier that he makes an educated guess based on what is the trot and he explained in detail in another topic where he explained GUT in advance form.
I dont see any issues in the way you are putting it, but that is only my opinion and I might be wrong. 25-12 has to become 24-13 at some stage, just like 19-18 has to become 18-19. This reminds me of the simple mathematical thing of adding 34+15. I was taught that add the digits in unit element first 4+5 = 9 and then add the digits in the 10s place 3+1 = 4, that makes it 49. But as long as I know how things work, no one is stopping me from saying 34+10 = 44 and 44+5 = 49. We all get the same answer. Likewise
winkel is not using only crossing to determine his educated guess as he puts it, he uses a number of other elements like averages derived from large stats, trots etc to do it. So as long as you understand the whole 9 yards, (I dont and havnt spent the effort to), I dont see an issue with what you are saying.
Quote from: Priyanka on Mar 17, 09:24 AM 2017
Well Denis Paris, nice nick there! You remind me of the Beano :)
Apart from some awful words being used here, you do bring in a very good perspective.
I believe winkel has become tired of answering sceptics and I am not sure whether you will receive the reply you are expecting. I am not an expert in GUT, but winkel has clarified earlier that he makes an educated guess based on what is the trot and he explained in detail in another topic where he explained GUT in advance form. I dont see any issues in the way you are putting it, but that is only my opinion and I might be wrong.
25-12 has to become 24-13 at some stage, just like 19-18 has to become 18-19. This reminds me of the simple mathematical thing of adding 34+15. I was taught that add the digits in unit element first 4+5 = 9 and then add the digits in the 10s place 3+1 = 4, that makes it 49. But as long as I know how things work, no one is stopping me from saying 34+10 = 44 and 44+5 = 49. We all get the same answer. Likewise winkel is not using only crossing to determine his educated guess as he puts it, he uses a number of other elements like averages derived from large stats, trots etc to do it. So as long as you understand the whole 9 yards, (I dont and havnt spent the effort to), I dont see an issue with what you are saying.
Tks Priyanka for your answer, sorry for my english, Winkel bored, not surprizing, sceptics will remain due to current evidences given for betting precisely at crossing. May be all was explained somtime earlier, I have mist it, and I am switching to reading your random thoughts