Holy Grail by Winkel open for discussion.

[Ross]

All roulette systems are a guessing game.

The question to be answered is "How informed is your guess".

Since with GUT you're only guessing whether the next
number has/hasn't hit in a certain number of spins
(and with GUT this so small as to be insignificant)
on a scale of 1 to 10 I'd rate GUT at no more than 2.

[Madi]

Its works . The thing is we cant handle it properly. Leave the graph and chart come on the field . Play everyday 50 spin show him u lose in what point. The big point is that he is still here to answer question for eight years. U cant find any other grail publisher like this. They disappear. Let him teach us why it works and u also teach us how to beat roulette not why gut doesnt work.

@ rouletti and winkle . Do u paly live manual wheel or rng?
Note: i have read the statement it works everywhere. But for me rng and manual wheel is not the same.

Thanks in advance
Madi

[Rolletti]

I play on RNG, Live Dealer and Airball. It depends on how much time I have to play. Live Dealer needs patience if you have to jump 2-3 times or even more often.

R.

[Madi]

Thanks rouletti.

How is the performence in rng. ? It always give me a hard time. I play vegas star rng . Live one better but i have very less chance to play. Do u play only flat bet?. Or jump after two lose increase bet a bit? Would be happy if u share ur rng experience.may be  i need to practice more.

Thanks
Madi

[Rolletti]

RNG: I feel tends more then real wheels to produce pretty extreme trots. Very slow trots I just jump, very fast trots I focus on trends, if the trot does what I expect I bet 2 to 5 units.
I don't necessarely jump after two losses, but watch how the trot continues without betting until it does what I want to see.

R.

[Madi]

Do you track down with pen nd paper or software in ur phone. ?  In here casion dont allow using phone during play and pen nd paper slow. Anyway thanks very much for ur answer.

Thanks
Madi

[Steve]

With the right equipment, you can video record all spins you need, then later extract the data.

[MumboJumbo]

This is what you need a spy glasses link:://m.ebay.com/itm/262226763971 and collect as many as you can data.

[Steve]

They aren't very good quality, i have them. The only benefit is its easy to aim the camera. But downside is you can't record long and they are fugly chunky glasses that feel cheap and flimsy. A better option is a well placed mobile phone.

[Rolletti]

Do you track down with pen nd paper or software in ur phone. ?  In here casion dont allow using phone during play and pen nd paper slow. Anyway thanks very much for ur answer.

Thanks
Madi

I play GUT online only and I use a tracker/clicker tool. I could not do it in a B&M casino or by paper pencil notation.

R.

[Madi]

I think glasses r not the solution. The time is 40sec to 1 min per spin. I understand u can record them.  But when u place the bet u need to look the numbers. Cant remember 17 or 16 number. I play in b & m casino. Rng allow to use phone bcz they know unless manipulation u cant beat them. But manual wheel doesnt allow phone during play. Cant use pen paper bcz too much crowd there.

[Ross]

In reply to post No. 63 your objections were
dealt with in the same series of posts.

BTW Winkel, why do so many of your  posts appear
with nothing in them?  Have you deleted claims
which you later regretted?

[winkel]

BTW Winkel, why do so many of your  posts appear
with nothing in them?  Have you deleted claims
which you later regretted?

No!

If you don´t like GUT. Don#t read it, don't play it. It is that easy.
I don't like your software. Did I hate you for that? No! I just read it and rejected it. What I don´t like, I don't comment.
There is no need for spreading hatress. If other people like, okay that's what they do. Why do I have to bother?

If you think, GUT won't work. Just say it and go away. I don't have to be ashamed of an idea I had. You have to be ashamed for your hate.

[Madi]

@ Mr Winkle
Got some more question?
" if the trot is fast dont bet early crossings"
Which one you called early crossing?
1. Crossing that appear Before spin 25? Or
2. 19-18,18-18, 17-17? Or.......?

"If the trot is slow dont bet late crossing" which one you call late crossing? After spin 40 or spin 45 or???

Another one?
Your second checkpoint at 25th spin says that
18-19.       14-15.       3-5

So if 17-17 appear at 23 spin from any sequence and from any condition. Should we bet on that???

The checkpoint is saying that there is very less chance that a "0" will appear again.

Waiting for your advice . Thanks

Madi

[winkel]

All these checkpoints and hints are made for orientation.

for example:
fast trot
20 14
19 15
18 16
17 17
4 hits in a row! Would you bet for a 5th?

slow trot
16 16
16 15
16 14
15 15
first crossing didn´t hit because there were repeaters. Believing the it changes now to get fast is Gamblers Fallacy. It might stay slow and go to 15 14 an 15 13

The steps at spin 13, 25 and 37 just tell you if the trot is slow or fast or normal. Lastly the decision is on you how you judge the situation.

fast trot
17 20
17 19
17 18
17 17
4 repeats in a row. what is more likely? A 5th or another fast after this "Full stop" after fast?
If in doubt don´t bet or jump to get out of this guesswork.