I don't normally play EC, but this one seems to work .....i did this because of observing some spins, and saw how frequently two or more numbers hit in sequence. This system takes advantage of this phenomenon.
(1) Wait for a switch of colors RED/BLACK, Now bet that the last outcome will repeat atleast once, then STOP.
(2) if loss, wait for a virtual win: -After a switch of colors the same as last outcome will hit again. After a virtual win bet again (1)
Progression-Line: IF one level is lost go to the next, stay at that level until recovered then go back to level 1 again.
Level (1) 1-2-4
Level (2) 2-4-8
Level (3) 3-6-12
Level (4) 4-8-16
Level (5) 5-10-20
Level (6) 6-12-24...
...and so on
(First tests played with 5u bets).
Hi Ignatus,
I see this very interesting.
What the win/lose ratio?
win/lose in 100spins-[bet-taken]/set and test for say 100set.,
1000set,10000set???
not amount of units won, but just, hit, and not hit.
in the other words,
bet without progression.
may u please tell?
Thanks.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 04, 05:12 AM 2015
Hi Ignatus,
I see this very interesting.
What the win/lose ratio?
win/lose in 100spins-[bet-taken]/set and test for say 100set.,
1000set,10000set???
not amount of units won, but just, hit, and not hit.
in the other words,
bet without progression.
may u please tell?
Thanks.
The charts i've posted is all i've tested so far, and i doubt it will work flatbet...
No..
I do not want to see it work, or win, flat bet,
i need to know the WIN/lose, ratio...
or [HIT/ not hit ratio],
accordingly to your strategy..
------------
Here where many people cant understand the importance of win/lose ratio.
of very long test...
---------------------
ok..
in short..
bet the strategy with only 1unit, bet for 100spins only.
that 100spin is bet taken, bet not taken will not factoring in..
then 100set of 100spin taken....u test
1000set of 100spin take....chart
1000set of 100spin taken
10000set of 100spin taken...chart
be assured.
I am not mentally sick, I am interested to know the win/lose ratio, chart.
no chart also ok, just the ratio, or %.
Sorry for my hastiness, and crude words.
P.A, if you want result, start testing it yourself. Thanks for your interest
more spins...
5/5 Games won
7/7 Games won
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 04, 04:56 AM 2015
I don't normally play EC, but this one seems to work .....i did this because of observing some spins, and saw how frequently two or more numbers hit in sequence. This system takes advantage of this phenomenon.
(1) Wait for a switch of colors RED/BLACK, Now bet that the last outcome will repeat atleast once, then STOP.
(2) if loss, wait for a virtual win: -After a switch of colors the same as last outcome will hit again. After a virtual win bet again (1)
Progression-Line: IF one level is lost go to the next, stay at that level until recovered then go back to level 1 again.
Level (1) 1-2-4
Level (2) 2-4-8
Level (3) 3-6-12
Level (4) 4-8-16
Level (5) 5-10-20
Level (6) 6-12-24...
...and so on
(First tests played with 5u bets).
What do you do on a win? Repeat same bet?
Quote
I don't normally play EC, but this one seems to work .....i did this because of observing some spins, and saw how frequently two or more COLORS hit in sequence. This system takes advantage of this phenomenon.
Hi ignatus; P.A,
This is more or less what I was doing in my latest grail test. I bet Black or Red to repeat after a single occurs. ONCE ONLY, yes. Simple and Easy. Shall e follow both R and B this way...? That is to say, play one side of EC or both?? - or maybe switch between at certain times...?...?
Have a virtual L trigger - 1, maybe 2 or 3?
For progression I use best of 5.
A.
Quote from: RayManZ on Sep 04, 06:55 AM 2015
What do you do on a win? Repeat same bet?
After a win, STOP and wait for a new trigger.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 04, 06:59 AM 2015
Hi ignatus; P.A,
This is more or less what I was doing in my latest grail test. I bet Black or Red to repeat after a single occurs. ONCE ONLY, yes. Simple and Easy. Shall e follow both R and B this way...? That is to say, play one side of EC or both?? - or maybe switch between at certain times...?...?
Have a virtual L trigger - 1, maybe 2 or 3?
For progression I use best of 5.
A.
That's great Atlantis :)
Sry for my bad english, didn't understand your questions... :S
Quote from: P.A on Sep 04, 06:04 AM 2015
No..
I do not want to see it work, or win, flat bet,
i need to know the WIN/lose, ratio...
or [HIT/ not hit ratio],
accordingly to your strategy..
------------
Here where many people cant understand the importance of win/lose ratio.
of very long test...
---------------------
ok..
in short..
bet the strategy with only 1unit, bet for 100spins only.
that 100spin is bet taken, bet not taken will not factoring in..
then 100set of 100spin taken....u test
1000set of 100spin take....chart
1000set of 100spin taken
10000set of 100spin taken...chart
be assured.
I am not mentally sick, I am interested to know the win/lose ratio, chart.
no chart also ok, just the ratio, or %.
Sorry for my hastiness, and crude words.
111: 4 units - 18 won - 14 lost
111: 7 units - 19 won - 12 lost
111: -6 units - 8 won - 14 lost
111: -4 units - 9 won - 13 lost
111: -7 units - 10 won - 17 lost
111: -2 units - 11 won - 13 lost
111: -4 units - 11 won - 15 lost
111: 0 units - 13 won - 13 lost
111: 4 units - 16 won - 12 lost
111: 0 units - 13 won - 13 lost
111: -3 units - 11 won - 14 lost
111: -4 units - 9 won - 13 lost
111: -7 units - 10 won - 17 lost
111: -4 units - 9 won - 13 lost
111: -1 units - 11 won - 12 lost
111: -5 units - 11 won - 16 lost
111: 3 units - 13 won - 10 lost
111: 0 units - 12 won - 12 lost
111: -3 units - 9 won - 12 lost
111: 6 units - 17 won - 11 lost
111: -1 units - 12 won - 13 lost
111: -6 units - 6 won - 12 lost
111: 5 units - 17 won - 12 lost
111: -7 units - 9 won - 16 lost
111: 6 units - 17 won - 11 lost
111: 7 units - 17 won - 10 lost
111: 1 units - 13 won - 12 lost
111: 2 units - 15 won - 13 lost
111: -7 units - 10 won - 17 lost
111: -5 units - 10 won - 15 lost
111: 4 units - 16 won - 12 lost
111: 0 units - 13 won - 13 lost
111: -7 units - 9 won - 16 lost
111: 3 units - 14 won - 11 lost
111: -6 units - 10 won - 16 lost
111: 0 units - 12 won - 12 lost
111: -4 units - 9 won - 13 lost
111: -1 units - 13 won - 14 lost
111: 7 units - 17 won - 10 lost
111: 1 units - 14 won - 13 lost
This is just a sample. A got it run through 3 mil spin and on average it's a 50/50 result. Win/lose
Quote from: RayManZ on Sep 04, 08:08 AM 2015
111: 4 units - 18 won - 14 lost
111: 7 units - 19 won - 12 lost
111: -6 units - 8 won - 14 lost
111: -4 units - 9 won - 13 lost
111: -7 units - 10 won - 17 lost
111: -2 units - 11 won - 13 lost
111: -4 units - 11 won - 15 lost
111: 0 units - 13 won - 13 lost
111: 4 units - 16 won - 12 lost
111: 0 units - 13 won - 13 lost
111: -3 units - 11 won - 14 lost
111: -4 units - 9 won - 13 lost
111: -7 units - 10 won - 17 lost
111: -4 units - 9 won - 13 lost
111: -1 units - 11 won - 12 lost
111: -5 units - 11 won - 16 lost
111: 3 units - 13 won - 10 lost
111: 0 units - 12 won - 12 lost
111: -3 units - 9 won - 12 lost
111: 6 units - 17 won - 11 lost
111: -1 units - 12 won - 13 lost
111: -6 units - 6 won - 12 lost
111: 5 units - 17 won - 12 lost
111: -7 units - 9 won - 16 lost
111: 6 units - 17 won - 11 lost
111: 7 units - 17 won - 10 lost
111: 1 units - 13 won - 12 lost
111: 2 units - 15 won - 13 lost
111: -7 units - 10 won - 17 lost
111: -5 units - 10 won - 15 lost
111: 4 units - 16 won - 12 lost
111: 0 units - 13 won - 13 lost
111: -7 units - 9 won - 16 lost
111: 3 units - 14 won - 11 lost
111: -6 units - 10 won - 16 lost
111: 0 units - 12 won - 12 lost
111: -4 units - 9 won - 13 lost
111: -1 units - 13 won - 14 lost
111: 7 units - 17 won - 10 lost
111: 1 units - 14 won - 13 lost
This is just a sample. A got it run through 3 mil spin and on average it's a 50/50 result. Win/lose
Thanks Ray!
Even though it's clear that PA is just running a scam, it's always good to have numbers to back it up. Hopefully others will see this and stop giving him more attention. :thumbsup:
Had 3 losses in a row, so final stats for this one is 7/10 games won,....
@ignatus
When you post these graphs for any of your methods what kinda spins do you use pls ?
RNG or "live" spins ?
thxs
O0
this is a decent slow winning bet in my opinion---could be used on all 3 ec
Quote from: ddarko on Sep 04, 09:01 AM 2015
@ignatus
When you post these graphs for any of your methods what kinda spins do you use pls ?
RNG or "live" spins ?
thxs
O0
it's all live-spins of what i know, most spins posted here on the forum, alot of live-spins posted by iggyv, some livespins from dublinbet etc...it would be great with more livespins, but no one is posting them anymore?
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 04, 09:20 AM 2015
it's all live-spins of what i know, most spins posted here on the forum, alot of live-spins posted by iggyv, some livespins from dublinbet etc...it would be great with more livespins, but no one is posting them anymore?
Okay thxs, you want more "actuals" ? hit the "archiv" button, years n years there.....
link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=101&L=1 (link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=101&L=1)
O0
Thanks! :)
Quote from: RayManZ on Sep 04, 08:08 AM 2015
111: 4 units - 18 won - 14 lost
111: 7 units - 19 won - 12 lost
111: -6 units - 8 won - 14 lost
111: -4 units - 9 won - 13 lost
This is just a sample. A got it run through 3 mil spin and on average it's a 50/50 result. Win/lose
Hi Ray, and Ignatus,
Thanks for your effort.
May u please do a testing like this,
example.
something like this...
111bet taken, 53win/58loss.
111bet taken, 52win/59loss
111bet taken, 50win/61loss
==========================
what this?
111bet taken, 53win/58loss.
[111bet taken,]mean the actual real bet that u really bet, not virtual, or spin that u do not bet]
[53win/58loss.] 53win, plus 58loss=111spin taken, the spin u actually bet.
==========
so at the end u will write like this.
All 111spins, actual bet, per set.
[bet 1unit, no progression].
test for 1000set
[1set=111spin of actual bet taken]
1st set] 53w/58L
2nd set] 54w/57L
3rd] 50w/61L
4th]51w/60L
5th] 50/61L
6th] 54W/57L
7th]49/62L
-
-and so to the 1000th set.
1000th] 54/57L
..thus we can see how the WIN/LOSE ratio going...and we can see how the WORST win/lose ratio ..
If we see that the win/lose ratio SWING very NARROW, then this strategy is
GOOD.
========================
If we see that the win/lose ratio SWING very wide, then this strategy is dangerous.
say , example
xxth] 30win/81L
yyth] 80w/31L
zzth]32win/79lose
ccth]78w/33lose
then as u see, this will cause huge winning , and huge losses!!!
AND NO PROGRESSION CAN HELP U!!!
thanks.
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 04, 06:22 AM 2015
P.A, if you want result, start testing it yourself. Thanks for your interest
more spins...
5/5 Games won
:thumbsup:
BETS: 111: -1 units - 55 won - 56 lost
BETS: 111: -1 units - 55 won - 56 lost
BETS: 111: -9 units - 51 won - 60 lost
BETS: 111: -5 units - 53 won - 58 lost
BETS: 111: -3 units - 54 won - 57 lost
BETS: 111: 9 units - 60 won - 51 lost
BETS: 111: -3 units - 54 won - 57 lost
BETS: 111: -11 units - 50 won - 61 lost
BETS: 111: 7 units - 59 won - 52 lost
BETS: 111: -1 units - 55 won - 56 lost
BETS: 111: 3 units - 57 won - 54 lost
BETS: 111: 9 units - 60 won - 51 lost
BETS: 111: -13 units - 49 won - 62 lost
BETS: 111: 1 units - 56 won - 55 lost
BETS: 111: -1 units - 55 won - 56 lost
BETS: 111: -17 units - 47 won - 64 lost
BETS: 111: 15 units - 63 won - 48 lost
BETS: 111: -7 units - 52 won - 59 lost
BETS: 111: -3 units - 54 won - 57 lost
BETS: 111: 9 units - 60 won - 51 lost
BETS: 111: -11 units - 50 won - 61 lost
BETS: 111: 1 units - 56 won - 55 lost
BETS: 111: -7 units - 52 won - 59 lost
BETS: 111: 5 units - 58 won - 53 lost
BETS: 111: 1 units - 56 won - 55 lost
BETS: 111: -9 units - 51 won - 60 lost
BETS: 111: -27 units - 42 won - 69 lost
BETS: 111: 19 units - 65 won - 46 lost
BETS: 111: -13 units - 49 won - 62 lost
BETS: 111: 3 units - 57 won - 54 lost
BETS: 111: 1 units - 56 won - 55 lost
BETS: 111: -1 units - 55 won - 56 lost
BETS: 111: -5 units - 53 won - 58 lost
BETS: 111: -17 units - 47 won - 64 lost
BETS: 111: -7 units - 52 won - 59 lost
BETS: 111: 7 units - 59 won - 52 lost
BETS: 111: -5 units - 53 won - 58 lost
BETS: 111: -19 units - 46 won - 65 lost
BETS: 111: 3 units - 57 won - 54 lost
BETS: 111: 13 units - 62 won - 49 lost
BETS: 111: 3 units - 57 won - 54 lost
BETS: 111: -7 units - 52 won - 59 lost
BETS: 111: 11 units - 61 won - 50 lost
BETS: 111: 5 units - 58 won - 53 lost
BETS: 111: -15 units - 48 won - 63 lost
BETS: 111: 1 units - 56 won - 55 lost
BETS: 111: 3 units - 57 won - 54 lost
BETS: 111: -3 units - 54 won - 57 lost
BETS: 111: 7 units - 59 won - 52 lost
BETS: 111: -5 units - 53 won - 58 lost
Hi Raymanz,
Phew - that was fast. Yes I think that the format that he requires.
I myself did one manual test:
flatbet @ 1u
111 BETS 56w 55L +1
If they all came like that one or thereabouts then according to P.A by using some rules and mild progression can be made into a grail (consistent winning bet)
A.
Ray and A and I
delete the posts!
Discuss privately!
Make that discussion private PM, or email .among yourselves.
or else the casino begin closing door!
or change rules!!!
[leave me out.
no need to PM me]
Essentially when the EC switches bet for the repeat after the switch? Just want tl make sure i grasp it
R
R
B
BET black once?
As tomla suggested do all 3ECs at lnce?
Ignatus,
I need t tell u this,
but down get angry at me.
for what I going to tell u.
Think hard, very hard, and u will understand.
For years u had done many test ,
but running in a circle,
though u had run very FAR distance, u had not travel FAR.
WHY?
Because u are testing the same theory, hoping for new discovery!
And to your frustration, u, without realizing it,
same theory churn out SAME result!
Actually u had 'found' many HG at hand,
but u test it using the misunderstood formula.
Look back at all your test, and test chart for a particular test..
U only done a few, less than ten.
At first , u are DELIGHTED, when the first, 2nd, 3rd...show promising RESULTS!
They show great profit...
Then after more test , u see them going down, to negative horrible LOSSES, and U abandon the test,
and LOOK for a NEW Method to...sadly,
AGAIN, testing the same way!
U may very ANGRY when u read this, but anger will not bring WISDOM, anger will destroy u sooner than u think.
RELAX, TAKE a deep breath..
No one like to, his error, points out ,
if u flew in rage, then u will go nowhere.
think hard...
---------------------------------
no! I am not trying to make money from u.
just point out your grave error, and this save u from headache and heartache, for testing same theory again, and again!
Hi RG,
You can still get long runs of losses betting an EC in such a manner; and if using dangerous progression can compound losses... So it needs to be a sensible, mild progression IMHO as PA suggests - maybe with start/stop points or even switch to different side of EC at times (when??)
I have not tried bet all 3 EC in this way either - but as tomla pointed out, that could be interesting.
A.
Quote from: P.A on Sep 04, 11:17 AM 2015
And to your frustration, u, without realizing it,
same theory churn out SAME result!
Actually u had 'found' many HG at hand,
but u test it using the misunderstood formula.
Look back at all your test, and test chart for a particular test..
U only done a few, less than ten.
At first , u are DELIGHTED, when the first, 2nd, 3rd...show promising RESULTS!
They show great profit...
Then after more test , u see them going down, to negative horrible LOSSES, and U abandon the test,
and LOOK for a NEW Method to...sadly,
AGAIN, testing the same way!
just point out your grave error, and this save u from headache and heartache, for testing same theory again, and again!
I'm not testing the same theory again and again, all my strategies are different.
I do 10 testsessions most of the time to see if the strategy shows good results, and yes sometimes, (many times) i have good luck first then the bad luck comes, but that is how roulette works, you win and you lose,...(you can't always win!)
i have afew strategies that i consider playable with real money.
But im more into inventing something new, than playing for real.
a new strategy that could work better than the old ones,....lately i done most tests flatbet without progression
I don't understand why you're complaining at all, saying it's all the same methods? it's not. furthermore you should be thankful for the effort i make to test the strategies when no-one else do....
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 04, 12:18 PM 2015
I'm not testing the same theory again and again, all my strategies are different.
I do 10 testsessions most of the time to see if the strategy shows good results, and yes sometimes, (many times) i have good luck first then the bad luck comes,
but that is how roulette works, you win and you lose,...(you can't always win!)
i have afew strategies that i consider playable with real money.
But im more into inventing something new, than playing for real.
a new strategy that could work better than the old ones,....lately i done most tests flatbet without progression
I don't understand why you're complaining at all, saying it's all the same methods? it's not. furthermore you should be thankful for the effort i make to test the strategies when no-one else do....
Your mistake is you responded to him. Ignore him let him fade away
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 04, 12:29 PM 2015
Your mistake is you responded to him. Ignore him let him fade away
ok.. I guess you're right... :-\
Its a fugazi. Its a foogazi. Its fairy dust
link:://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OgiZNXLkf4k (link:://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OgiZNXLkf4k)
In america italian slang word for FAKE is fugazi
You are always so serious. Or at least seem to be. Laugh :)
I did some more testen with this method. Now on all the EC.
R/B H/L O/E
In 3 mil spins the lowest amount of won bets is 39 out of 111 bets placed.
That is some really useful information.
Say we do a daily session of 111 bets. Not spins! BETS.
We may hit 39 wins early in the sessions. 60 bets placed and won 39. We come back tomorrow. I think P.A really has sometime here.
What we are doing wrong is when we hit a streak we don't stop. On average you will win round 55 bets out of 111 bets. We tend to keep going. Why? Then it all comes down on luck and you will hit the session from hell.
We know this bet will always win 39 bets out of 111. So as soon as we hit 39 wins we quit. Or we wait till me have reached 111 bets placed without betting them en start a new session.
Now we only need to figure out when to bet and how to bet those 39 wins out of 111.
Thanks raymanz for your tests done on all EC.
And maybe I come to agree with you about:
Quote
What we are doing wrong is when we hit a streak we don't stop. On average you will win round 55 bets out of 111 bets. We tend to keep going. Why? Then it all comes down on luck and you will hit the session from hell.
Now this sounds similar to PA's system that he posted when he first came to the forum - so maybe some clues there too...!
That was when he was actually posting an example of his bet! Here is the thread - just to refresh your memory;
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15759.msg136258#msg136258 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15759.msg136258#msg136258)
A.
39 is the lowest...ok
55 is everage...ok
So if we would wait till we get close to 111 then we would have a pretty good idea what we need to do. Or start from let's say 40hits ? As 39 probably not happening a lot. 1u x10 ...2u x10....we go up +1u each new 111 bets.
But in real time...we talking about bets...that gonna take to long.
What P.A. said is correct. But how we play this on a daily basis without sitting there 12hours a day ?
Denzie
I would not wait.
If you wait 90 bets you could have missed 39 wins of your 111 bets.
I would use a progression and virtual wins. You know there will be 39 wins right in 111 bets.
So i would do the following:
- Count the bets and the wins.
- Hit 39 wins or 111 bets: End session
- 3 losses wait for a Virtual win (a virtual win is also a win for counting)
- Use a good EC progression. Not sure which is good though...
That would make a profit on a daily base i think. You catch winning streaks. Avoid losing streaks. Use the edge in your advantage. Stop on 39 bets won or 111 bets.
Tadaaaa Holy grail!
played with a positive progression, seems to work very well!
2u bet after a win(for the next trigger)--until lose back to 1u,..and so on
The rules are the same -always wait for a virtual win after a loss, before betting again
Sorry to ask...but what would the results are for red/black?
The average we all know but what about the minimum hits?
Just curious as we can play faster...
I just ask so we can find the best bet selection to make our grail.
Good job Ignatus
Quote from: denzie on Sep 04, 02:59 PM 2015
Sorry to ask...but what would the results are for red/black?
The average we all know but what about the minimum hits?
Just curious as we can play faster...
BETS: 111: 34 won - 77 lost
Lowest for Red Black only in 3mil spins. Just aim for 30 wins in 111 bets. With the right progression and betting strategy it will always get you profit. But if you want to win big you need to bet big.
I think a session will get you max 30 units. But daily 30 units of profit is always nice.
I'll take that any day those 30.lol
Thank you so much...you are a great help here.
Now i will try to put the right progression on it.
Denzie
Positive progression has proven to have a neutral trend, (guess i was very lucky from the first test!)
Yes 30u would be a good wingoal for this one....(?)
I'm pretty much giving up on this strategy.....since it's not realistic to sit for 100s or 1000s spins for just a few units profit??
played with 5u bets:
Hi raymanz, ignatus, denzie.
I played a session to 111 spins using Red/Black EC.
There were 29 bets. (would have stopped at 30?)
18w and 11L
Profit = +9u
Played only after VIRTUAL wins. If a loss occurred waited for a VIRTUAL win on that side of the EC before resuming at the trigger.
**Bet ONCE ONLY (win or lose await next trigger)
example
R
B
B - vwin B
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +1
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +2
R
R - vwin R
B - trigger to bet B
R - lost; reset B; trigger to bet R +1
R - won +2
B
R - trigger to bet R
B - lost ; reset R +1
B - vwin B
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +2
B
B
B
B
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +3
NOTE:
I use separate progression for each side of the EC. (currently using best of 5)
This also avoids bets on lot of choppy results:
R
B
R
B
R
B
R
B
R
no virtual wins - so no bets!
A.
@ignatus...it's good that it stay around neutral. Just stop when your up and don't get greedy. Before it goes down again. And about the time playing. ...if we use fast rng spins we can get 1spins/2-3seconds.
Most people be ok to play 1-2hours if they end in profit :P
@Atlantis. ..i see you stopped stopping ^^ .... again very good results..i will do a few 111 sessions tomorrow with your tweak. Thx
You need to play 111 BETS not Spins. Just stop when you get 30 winning BETS. With the right money management you should get a profit.
The key is to find the right money management strategy for a EC bet.
Hi Raymanz;
Oh sure! I forgot. (been a long day) You're right. Well I think I would still have won...
I'm happy with the formula I showed for now in reply #40; but its great to see the other ideas too.
Will do more correct tests tomorrow.
Quote
You need to play 111 BETS not Spins. Just stop when you get 30 winning BETS. With the right money management you should get a profit.
The key is to find the right money management strategy for a EC bet.
Thanks raymanz for correcting. ;) :thumbsup:
A.
How does "Best of 5" works?
Guys do you think this is safe for airball? Knowing the air bursts can change to change ball trajectories
Since airball is considered electronic gaming i dunno if its safe
Quote from: RayManZ on Sep 04, 04:48 PM 2015
How does "Best of 5" works?
Hi RayManZ,
It is basically gr8players progression but reduced to a 5-series.
Have a look here:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5010.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5010.0)
I use it for both sides of the EC (separate progression)
Best wishes,
A.
Gr8 progression. When i think of that i think double dozens. They say it always comes back
I wonder how gr8 progression would fair on 3 ECs at once. 3 seperate progressions. Hmmmmm
11111
22222
33333
44444
Separately on 3 ECs say low red odd
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 04, 09:20 AM 2015
it's all live-spins of what i know, most spins posted here on the forum, alot of live-spins posted by iggyv, some livespins from dublinbet etc...it would be great with more livespins, but no one is posting them anymore?
Here is another good site with live spins, but they only keep the last 30 days worth: link:s://en.casinoclub.com/lobby/coups.aspx
Quote from: thelaw on Sep 04, 08:46 AM 2015
Thanks Ray!
Even though it's clear that PA is just running a scam, it's always good to have numbers to back it up. Hopefully others will see this and stop giving him more attention. :thumbsup:
thelaw, you and RG are becoming boring with your repetitive attacks on PA. Even if he is a scam artist, he has contributed a lot of useful ideas. It would be nice if you would both stop.
Quote from: helena on Sep 04, 05:37 PM 2015
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thelaw, you and RG are becoming boring with your repetitive attacks on PA. Even if he is a scam artist, he has contributed a lot of useful ideas. It would be nice if you would both stop.
we've seen it before Helena that's the problem
long winded posts with minute direction. also the way he went about it was suspicious....and the weird English that he understands so well
I have strong strong strong reason to believe he is connected to petespin and the greek clan
I can be wrong, I cant be 100%.....
that being said I'm done I haven't been attacking him...ignoring him from now on
back to roulette
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 04, 03:47 PM 2015
Played only after VIRTUAL wins. If a loss occurred waited for a VIRTUAL win on that side of the EC before resuming at the trigger.
**Bet ONCE ONLY (win or lose await next trigger)
example:
=====
R
B
B - vwin B
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +1
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +2
R
R - vwin R
B - trigger to bet B
R - lost; reset B; trigger to bet R +1
R - won +2
B
R - trigger to bet R
B - lost ; reset R +1
B - vwin B
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +2
B
B
B
B
R
B - trigger to bet B
B - won +3
NOTE:
I use separate progression for each side of the EC. (currently using best of 5)
This also avoids bets on lot of choppy results:
R
B
R
B
R
B
R
B
R
no virtual wins - so no bets!
According to the general Law of Appearance of the even chances with regard to the SINGLES and SERIES as stated on the win-maxx site STATS section, In a block or sequence of 64 spins the average result for one EC is:
16 SINGLES and
16 SERIES (streaks) of 2 or more...
If you read about it it some more it seems quite mathematically elegant and beautiful!
Knowing this fact, the formula I posted above is based on betting for these streaks (on both sides - because we do not know the side with the majority of streaks...) After a virtual win (RR or BB or longer) and betting ONCE on the trigger (stopping betting after a win or loss).
Attempting to get streak of 2 (because ALL series must start with formation of 2 at least)
Using a mild progression like gr8player5 on both sides of EC.. Thus try to capitalise on the appearance of the streaks and keep losses to minimum. I showed how betting ONCE only after a Vwin+trigger can avoid the runs of SINGLES too. It's down to % PROBABILITY.
Remember P.A's proviso: max 111bets or 30 win bets to conclude a session.
A.
I'll try e few sessions in a bit...got lots of time today. But i kept my eye on it already while playing the other methods and it looked coming out ahead...I'll post results later
Denzie