This is 27 dozen variations:
111 211 311
112 212 312
113 213 313
121 221 321
122 222 322
123 223 323
131 231 331
132 232 332
133 233 333
So sit at the table and randomly choose one of them and play against it. Then choose another one. Bet also on 3rd dozen will not create unique. Use parlay progression.
Example:
2-1-3 (no bets, had just sat on the table and I have randomly choose to bet against 121)
Next dozen is 3 (Win on the first bet. Don't bet wait for the next row)
Next dozen is 1 (Bet on 3-1 (bet against unique) )
Next dozen is 3 (Win) (Then randomly choose 1 of the 27, i choose 212, so bet against 2 dozen)
Next is 1 (Win)
and etc
What do you think ? Maybe only random can beat the random.
Just have played for real money, have a nice profit and made a withdrawal from casino.
Thanks AZ,
so first you bet against chosen xyz, then (if won) against 3 unique?
Where is parlay?
Then if (won or lose) choose another one from 27 (121 or 231 or maybe 222...just choose randomly)
Here is progression:
1-1
2-2
3-3
4-4
5-5
etc
If Lose up to step2. if win down to step1.
That much I get, but I don't see parlay...
Quote from: nextyear on Jan 19, 01:03 PM 2016
That much I get, but I don't see parlay...
Thats progression:
Bet 1-1 if lose bet 2-2 if win return to 1-1
Tested all day in airball , it works well.
Quote from: nextyear on Jan 19, 01:03 PM 2016
That much I get, but I don't see parlay...
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 19, 05:33 PM 2016
Thats progression:
Bet 1-1 if lose bet 2-2 if win return to 1-1
Tested all day in airball , it works well.
Think nextyear is looking for the parley.
1-1 w
1-1 w
1-1 L
2-2 L
3-3 w
3-3 w now do you go 2-2 or straight back to 1-1, in dont knockit till you try it i'd go 2-2
2-2
1-1
1-1 you still need to win those losses back
I play like that:
1-1 W
1-1 W
1-1 L
2-2 L
3-3 W
2-2 W
1-1 W
More time to recover losses but more safe for my opinion
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 20, 04:16 AM 2016
I play like that:
1-1 W
1-1 W
1-1 L
2-2 L
3-3 W
2-2 W
1-1 W
More time to recover losses but more safe for my opinion
Yes +1/-1 is good, but a parley does help
Just played airball for real money, EU wheel, here is results and my bets:
Start. First play against 312
8 (Win 1u, no bets) +1 Net
27 (bet on 1-3 against unique)
16 (Loss -2U, next bet against 221) -1 Net
24 (Loss - 4U, continue betting) -5 Net
12 (Win +3, bet on 2-1 against unique) -2 Net
20 (Win +2, bet against 133) 0 Net
3 (Loss -2, continue) -2 Net
13 (Win +2, bet against unique) 0 Net
35 (Loss -2, bet against 322) -2 Net
24 (Win +2, no bets) 0 Net
9 (bet against unique)
1 (Win + 1, bet against 313) + 1 Net
0 (Loss -2, no bets) -1 Net
34 (no bets)
12 (bets against 121)
35 (Win +2) +1 Net
13 (bet against unique)
35 (Win +1, bet against 111) + 2 Net
22 (Win +1) + 3 Net
0
20 (bet against 233)
18 (Loss - 2, continue) +1 Net
21 (Win + 2) + 3 Net
10 (bet against 131)
29 (Win +1) + 4 Net
3 (bet against unique)
19 (loss -2, bet against 112) +2 Net
32 (Win +2) +4 Net
23 (bet against unique)
36 ( Win +1) + 5 Net , bet against 132
7 (loss-2) +3 Net
8 (Win+2) +5 Net
34 bet against 232
26 (Win +1) + 6 Net
22 bet against unique
15 (Win +1) +7 Net , bet against 222
14 (Loss -2) +5
36 (Win +2) +7 Net
26 (Win +1) + 8 Net, bet against 123
30 (Win +1) +9 Net
10
12 (Win +1) + 10 Net, play against 111
6 (loss -2) +8 Net
32 (Win +2) +10 Net
20 (Loss -2) + 8 Net, play against 213
18 (Loss-4) +4 Net
18 (Win + 3) +7 Net
21 , play against 122
19 (win +2) + 9 Net, stop playing
49 spins, 23 W, 12 l, not the good result but anyway +9 profit
Airball used your numbers just like Jackpot joy great numbers using +1/-1.
Spins 21-30 get the win
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 20, 01:56 PM 2016
Just played airball for real money, EU wheel, here is results and my bets:
Start. First play against 312
8 (Win 1u, no bets) +1 Net
27 (bet on 1-3 against unique)
16 (Loss -2U, next bet against 221) -1 Net
24 (Loss - 4U, continue betting) -5 Net
12 (Win +3, bet on 2-1 against unique) -2 Net
20 (Win +2, bet against 133) 0 Net
3 (Loss -2, continue) -2 Net
13 (Win +2, bet against unique) 0 Net
35 (Loss -2, bet against 322) -2 Net
24 (Win +2, no bets) 0 Net
9 (bet against unique)
1 (Win + 1, bet against 313) + 1 Net
0 (Loss -2, no bets) -1 Net
34 (no bets)
12 (bets against 121)
35 (Win +2) +1 Net
13 (bet against unique)
35 (Win +1, bet against 111) + 2 Net
22 (Win +1) + 3 Net
0
20 (bet against 233)
18 (Loss - 2, continue) +1 Net
21 (Win + 2) + 3 Net
10 (bet against 131)
29 (Win +1) + 4 Net
3 (bet against unique)
19 (loss -2, bet against 112) +2 Net
32 (Win +2) +4 Net
23 (bet against unique)
36 ( Win +1) + 5 Net , bet against 132
7 (loss-2) +3 Net
8 (Win+2) +5 Net
34 bet against 232
26 (Win +1) + 6 Net
22 bet against unique
15 (Win +1) +7 Net , bet against 222
14 (Loss -2) +5
36 (Win +2) +7 Net
26 (Win +1) + 8 Net, bet against 123
30 (Win +1) +9 Net
10
12 (Win +1) + 10 Net, play against 111
6 (loss -2) +8 Net
32 (Win +2) +10 Net
20 (Loss -2) + 8 Net, play against 213
18 (Loss-4) +4 Net
18 (Win + 3) +7 Net
21 , play against 122
19 (win +2) + 9 Net, stop playing
49 spins, 23 W, 12 l, not the good result but anyway +9 profit
23 W and 12 L would normally yield a loss of 1 unit flat betting double dozens
your way of +1 -1 damblert won you 9
i like it a lot
you have combined several different grassroots ideas: [moving target] and [against forming a unique] good work. just wanted to pop in and say good job
my grassroots matrix in the notepad has an extremely good hit rate, thanks for the d'amblert idea
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 19, 05:33 PM 2016
Thats progression:
Bet 1-1 if lose bet 2-2 if win return to 1-1
Tested all day in airball , it works well.
That's not a parlay. That's up as you lose.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 20, 05:30 AM 2016
Yes +1/-1 is good, but a parley does help
As a matter of fact, that's not even a neg progression.
That's a "D'alenbert". +1 on a loss, and -1 on a win.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 20, 05:35 PM 2016
23 W and 12 L would normally yield a loss of 1 unit flat betting double dozens
your way of +1 -1 damblert won you 9
i like it a lot
you have combined several different grassroots ideas: [moving target] and [against forming a unique] good work. just wanted to pop in and say good job
my grassroots matrix in the notepad has an extremely good hit rate, thanks for the d'amblert idea
RG, are there mistakes on the chart?
Line 6, the 2 is green and it is a repeatthe 2nd 2 is red,
and not a repeat.
Line 10, a couple green that are a repeat.
Line 9 as well.
Etc.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 20, 01:56 PM 2016
Just played airball for real money, EU wheel, here is results and my bets:
Start. First play against 312
8 (Win 1u, no bets) +1 Net
27 (bet on 1-3 against unique)
16 (Loss -2U, next bet against 221) -1 Net
24 (Loss - 4U, continue betting) -5 Net
12 (Win +3, bet on 2-1 against unique) -2 Net
20 (Win +2, bet against 133) 0 Net
3 (Loss -2, continue) -2 Net
13 (Win +2, bet against unique) 0 Net
35 (Loss -2, bet against 322) -2 Net
24 (Win +2, no bets) 0 Net
9 (bet against unique)
1 (Win + 1, bet against 313) + 1 Net
0 (Loss -2, no bets) -1 Net
34 (no bets)
12 (bets against 121)
35 (Win +2) +1 Net
13 (bet against unique)
35 (Win +1, bet against 111) + 2 Net
22 (Win +1) + 3 Net
0
20 (bet against 233)
18 (Loss - 2, continue) +1 Net
21 (Win + 2) + 3 Net
10 (bet against 131)
29 (Win +1) + 4 Net
3 (bet against unique)
19 (loss -2, bet against 112) +2 Net
32 (Win +2) +4 Net
23 (bet against unique)
36 ( Win +1) + 5 Net , bet against 132
7 (loss-2) +3 Net
8 (Win+2) +5 Net
34 bet against 232
26 (Win +1) + 6 Net
22 bet against unique
15 (Win +1) +7 Net , bet against 222
14 (Loss -2) +5
36 (Win +2) +7 Net
26 (Win +1) + 8 Net, bet against 123
30 (Win +1) +9 Net
10
12 (Win +1) + 10 Net, play against 111
6 (loss -2) +8 Net
32 (Win +2) +10 Net
20 (Loss -2) + 8 Net, play against 213
18 (Loss-4) +4 Net
18 (Win + 3) +7 Net
21 , play against 122
19 (win +2) + 9 Net, stop playing
49 spins, 23 W, 12 l, not the good result but anyway +9 profit
Nice trip report. Haven't seen one like this in a while. It would be
a little easier to read if it were formatted different.
Let me ask, What is the rational for picking new triples to bet against?
I don't understand the reasoning. As well as the "no bet" spots.
Thanks
It is randomly selected by me and also depending on previous spins.
On goal in triples to win in D1 or in D2. if won on D1 then no more bet against triple
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 20, 01:56 PM 2016
Just played airball for real money, EU wheel, here is results and my bets:
Start. First play against 312
8 (Win 1u, no bets) +1 Net
27 (bet on 1-3 against unique)
16 (Loss -2U, next bet against 221) -1 Net
24 (Loss - 4U, continue betting) -5 Net
12 (Win +3, bet on 2-1 against unique) -2 Net
20 (Win +2, bet against 133) 0 Net
3 (Loss -2, continue) -2 Net
13 (Win +2, bet against unique) 0 Net
35 (Loss -2, bet against 322) -2 Net
24 (Win +2, no bets) 0 Net
9 (bet against unique)
1 (Win + 1, bet against 313) + 1 Net
0 (Loss -2, no bets) -1 Net
34 (no bets)
12 (bets against 121)
35 (Win +2) +1 Net
13 (bet against unique)
35 (Win +1, bet against 111) + 2 Net
22 (Win +1) + 3 Net
0
20 (bet against 233)
18 (Loss - 2, continue) +1 Net
21 (Win + 2) + 3 Net
10 (bet against 131)
29 (Win +1) + 4 Net
3 (bet against unique)
19 (loss -2, bet against 112) +2 Net
32 (Win +2) +4 Net
23 (bet against unique)
36 ( Win +1) + 5 Net , bet against 132
7 (loss-2) +3 Net
8 (Win+2) +5 Net
34 bet against 232
26 (Win +1) + 6 Net
22 bet against unique
15 (Win +1) +7 Net , bet against 222
14 (Loss -2) +5
36 (Win +2) +7 Net
26 (Win +1) + 8 Net, bet against 123
30 (Win +1) +9 Net
10
12 (Win +1) + 10 Net, play against 111
6 (loss -2) +8 Net
32 (Win +2) +10 Net
20 (Loss -2) + 8 Net, play against 213
18 (Loss-4) +4 Net
18 (Win + 3) +7 Net
21 , play against 122
19 (win +2) + 9 Net, stop playing
49 spins, 23 W, 12 l, not the good result but anyway +9 profit
One small question, what do you mean with "bet against unique"?
Otherwise impressive result and interesting play!
Quote from: tuddilue on Jan 21, 08:00 AM 2016
One small question, what do you mean with "bet against unique"?
Bet against 123, 132, 213, 231, 321, 312
For example, if D1 is 1 and D2 is 2, so i bet against 3 impressive result and interesting play!
Ill help explain
Bet against one of the combos he has mentioned
If the 1st 2 spins are unique bet against 3rd being unique
So say you choose 132
Bet against 132
2 shows. We win on first spin. Dont bet next spin. Sit out next 2 wait for next row
Then 1 shows. Oh well now we have 21 thats 2 unique
Now bet 2 and 1 betting against 3 wont show
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 21, 08:55 AM 2016
Ill help explain
Bet against one of the combos he has mentioned
If the 1st 2 spins are unique bet against 3rd being unique
So say you choose 132
Bet against 132
2 shows. We win on first spin. Dont bet next spin. Sit out next 2 wait for next row
Then 1 shows. Oh well now we have 21 thats 2 unique
Now bet 2 and 1 betting against 3 wont show
That was clever. Yes now I understand, thanks RG!
No prob
Many thanks RG for proper explanation :)
Played today, not a good result:
111 (112) -2, -4 +3
232 (213) -4 +3 +2
333 (122) +1
332 (123) +1
311 (111) +1 +1
113 (223) +1
322 (113) +1 +1
311 (312) -2 -4 +3
321 (212) +2 -2
123 (221) +2 -2
321 (313) -4 +3 -4
202 (221) -6
111 (133) -8 +5
333 (322) -8 +5
333 (212) +4
121 (123) -6 -8 +5
221 (121) +4
223 (112) +3
222 (133) +2
223 (123) +1
211 (122) +1 +1
-6 Net
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 21, 03:16 PM 2016
Played today, not a good result:
111 (112) -2, -4 +3
232 (213) -4 +3 +2
333 (122) +1
332 (123) +1
311 (111) +1 +1
113 (223) +1
322 (113) +1 +1
311 (312) -2 -4 +3
321 (212) +2 -2
123 (221) +2 -2
321 (313) -4 +3 -4
202 (221) -6
111 (133) -8 +5
333 (322) -8 +5
333 (212) +4
121 (123) -6 -8 +5
221 (121) +4
223 (112) +3
222 (133) +2
223 (123) +1
211 (122) +1 +1
-6 Net
You've got a couple really nice win streaks in there. Just that
you're betting less on them, and losing more on the losses.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 21, 03:37 PM 2016
You've got a couple really nice win streaks in there. Just that
you're betting less on them, and losing more on the losses.
Yeah, using flat betting will give -2 at the end, but using positive progression like Marty will give a good profit but it is too risky.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 21, 03:52 PM 2016
Yeah, using flat betting will give -2 at the end, but using positive progression like Marty will give a good profit but it is too risky.
To rehash old news, my last serious testing jaunt was last fall. I was playing
variations of the last two dozen with a labby. It worked like a charm and then
fell apart like a charm for 3 sessions in a row. It was the "in the row" part that
bothered me.
So I've been in this up to my neck for a while now. I was on paper, but seeing
that was a real kick in the balls. Glad I tested first anyway.
But it would seem that those win streaks are not hard to find. I was adjusting
bets where, when I had a loss, I was playing last and 3rd back, and two losses and
back to last two. I'll have to look back at my data.
But you're losing too much (2-1) on the higher losses to catch up. But I like the
notion that you don't need to catch up in 1-2 spins or something. Perhaps
something in between.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 21, 03:16 PM 2016
Played today, not a good result:
111 (112) -2, -4 +3
232 (213) -4 +3 +2
333 (122) +1
332 (123) +1
311 (111) +1 +1
113 (223) +1
322 (113) +1 +1
311 (312) -2 -4 +3
321 (212) +2 -2
123 (221) +2 -2
321 (313) -4 +3 -4
202 (221) -6
111 (133) -8 +5
333 (322) -8 +5
333 (212) +4
121 (123) -6 -8 +5
221 (121) +4
223 (112) +3
222 (133) +2
223 (123) +1
211 (122) +1 +1
-6 Net
can i suggest not betting every spin
perhaps only the 1st one or two bets of each 3 spin series
maybe a minor progression of 1 2 or maybe a leveller of 1 2 and stay at 2 until back even
or a d'amblert only on 1st 2 bets of each series
surely MM can beat that
moving target is GOOD
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 21, 06:13 PM 2016
can i suggest not betting every spin
perhaps only the 1st one or two bets of each 3 spin series
maybe a minor progression of 1 2 or maybe a leveller of 1 2 and stay at 2 until back even
or a d'amblert only on 1st 2 bets of each series
surely MM can beat that
moving target is GOOD
I agree. I think the results are fine. It's the MM that's wrong.
But we may be reaching some middle ground between suicide and
complacency.
Will try to do today some more test on airball.
Also want to test unique moving target with airball. And maybe test moving targets not only for dozen, for even bets.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 22, 06:43 AM 2016
Will try to do today some more test on airball.
Also want to test unique moving target with airball. And maybe test moving targets not only for dozen, for even bets.
The problem that you can see is double sided. It would be great to bet more
when you're winning. But not when you're losing, which is what the original
method suggests.
Maybe a "close to the chest" pos parlay like we were doing.
1,1 (win 1) ---- 1,1 (win 1, up 2, increase to 2 units)-----
2,2 (Win 2 units. Add them to get to 3 unit bet)
3,3 (add last 2 units to bet. Win 3 units)---- 4,4 (add 2 of those
3 you just won. Win 4).....
So 1,1,2,3,4
That would have worked TWICE in the earlier example where the
result was bad. Two nice win streaks.
Today i played against uniques, and made change in progression. First against 132.
231 (132) +1, -2
211 (132) +2, +2
232 (132) +2 +2
221 (132) +2
111 (132) -4 +3
312 (132) +3 -4
222 (132) +3
313 (132) + 3 +2
212 (132) +2 +2
323 (132) +2 +2
112 (132) -4 +3
212 (132) +3 +2
313 (132) +2 +2
331 (132) +2
323 (132) +2 +2
112 (132) -4 +3
232 (132) +3 +2
132 (132) -4 -6 -8 Start to bet against 123
133 (123) -10 +6 +6
213 (123) +5 -8
121 (123) -10 -12 +7
322 (123) +7 +6
331 (123) +5
323 (123) +4 +3
231 (123) +2 -4
322 (123) +3 +3
113 (123) -4
333 (123) +3
111 (123) -6
222 (123) +3
131 (123) -6 +3
331 (123) +3
320 (123) +2 -4
end session
+30 Net
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 22, 04:21 PM 2016
Today i played against uniques, and made change in progression. First against 132.
231 (132) +1, -2
211 (132) +2, +2
232 (132) +2 +2
221 (132) +2
111 (132) -4 +3
312 (132) +3 -4
222 (132) +3
313 (132) + 3 +2
212 (132) +2 +2
323 (132) +2 +2
112 (132) -4 +3
212 (132) +3 +2
313 (132) +2 +2
331 (132) +2
323 (132) +2 +2
112 (132) -4 +3
232 (132) +3 +2
132 (132) -4 -6 -8 Start to bet against 123
133 (123) -10 +6 +6
213 (123) +5 -8
121 (123) -10 -12 +7
322 (123) +7 +6
331 (123) +5
323 (123) +4 +3
231 (123) +2 -4
322 (123) +3 +3
113 (123) -4
333 (123) +3
111 (123) -6
222 (123) +3
131 (123) -6 +3
331 (123) +3
320 (123) +2 -4
end session
+30 Net
Totally confused. Trying to follow both the selection and bet amounts.
Want examples?
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 22, 04:31 PM 2016
Totally confused. Trying to follow both the selection and bet amounts.
Want examples?
Please describe what you changed. It's not clear.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 22, 07:44 PM 2016
Please describe what you changed. It's not clear.
OK. I'll try. I think I see you're MM.
I count 43 wins and 16 losses.
A reasonable balance that should show some profit.......
It's the bad runs that need the help.
Start with +1 for the first bet. if Win go up to the 2 level and stayed on him. If Lose increase +1 if win stay at the same level once more.
1-1 Win
2-2 Win
2-2 Win
2-2 Lose
3-3 Win
3-3 Win
2-2 Win
etc
Seems close to the Dont knock it till you've tried it way for double dozens
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 23, 07:20 AM 2016
Seems close to the Dont knock it till you've tried it way for double dozens
Like I said, with 43 wins and 16 losses nothing got proved.
Statistical even is 2-1. It's the bad runs that need support.
Bet against 132
13,5,18 +2 +2
30, 7, 36 +2 +2
3, 1, 23 -4 +3
13, 30, 36 +3 +2
1, 16, 23, -4 +3 +3
8, 18, 6, -4 +3 +3
24, 17, 3 +2
21, 17, 32 +2
29, 10, 7 +2 +2
11, 3, 6 -4 +3
23, 8, 32 +3 -4
6, 8, 34 -6 + 4
36, 33, 36 +4
32, 14, 16 +3 +2
19, 26, 28 +2 +2
12, 27, 30 -4 -6 +4
1, 29, 35 -8 -10 +6
8, 4, 23 -12 +7
29, 4, 13 +7 -12
28, 3, 9 +7 +7
20, 29, 5 +6 -10
9, 27, 21 -12 -14 -16 bet against 123
36, 36, 25 + 8
22, 9, 4 +8 +7
35, 21, 35 +6 +5
13, 15, 27 +4
NET +11
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 24, 03:56 PM 2016
Bet against 132
13,5,18 +2 +2
30, 7, 36 +2 +2
3, 1, 23 -4 +3
13, 30, 36 +3 +2
1, 16, 23, -4 +3 +3
8, 18, 6, -4 +3 +3
24, 17, 3 +2
21, 17, 32 +2
29, 10, 7 +2 +2
11, 3, 6 -4 +3
23, 8, 32 +3 -4
6, 8, 34 -6 + 4
36, 33, 36 +4
32, 14, 16 +3 +2
19, 26, 28 +2 +2
12, 27, 30 -4 -6 +4
1, 29, 35 -8 -10 +6
8, 4, 23 -12 +7
29, 4, 13 +7 -12
28, 3, 9 +7 +7
20, 29, 5 +6 -10
9, 27, 21 -12 -14 -16 bet against 123
36, 36, 25 + 8
22, 9, 4 +8 +7
35, 21, 35 +6 +5
13, 15, 27 +4
NET +11
Az nice win.
Guys who go the distance win at roulette
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 24, 03:56 PM 2016
Bet against 132
13,5,18 +2 +2
30, 7, 36 +2 +2
3, 1, 23 -4 +3
13, 30, 36 +3 +2
1, 16, 23, -4 +3 +3
8, 18, 6, -4 +3 +3
24, 17, 3 +2
21, 17, 32 +2
29, 10, 7 +2 +2
11, 3, 6 -4 +3
23, 8, 32 +3 -4
6, 8, 34 -6 + 4
36, 33, 36 +4
32, 14, 16 +3 +2
19, 26, 28 +2 +2
12, 27, 30 -4 -6 +4
1, 29, 35 -8 -10 +6
8, 4, 23 -12 +7
29, 4, 13 +7 -12
28, 3, 9 +7 +7
20, 29, 5 +6 -10
9, 27, 21 -12 -14 -16 bet against 123
36, 36, 25 + 8
22, 9, 4 +8 +7
35, 21, 35 +6 +5
13, 15, 27 +4
NET +11
That's 15 losses and 35 wins. That's a flat profit of 5 units.
Definitely not trying to be an asshole. Just pointing out that it seems like
your methodology has been yielding a flat win.
Not sure what it means. Either way that is definitely something.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 24, 03:56 PM 2016
Bet against 132
13,5,18 +2 +2
30, 7, 36 +2 +2
3, 1, 23 -4 +3
13, 30, 36 +3 +2
1, 16, 23, -4 +3 +3
8, 18, 6, -4 +3 +3
24, 17, 3 +2
21, 17, 32 +2
29, 10, 7 +2 +2
11, 3, 6 -4 +3
23, 8, 32 +3 -4
6, 8, 34 -6 + 4
36, 33, 36 +4
32, 14, 16 +3 +2
19, 26, 28 +2 +2
12, 27, 30 -4 -6 +4
1, 29, 35 -8 -10 +6
8, 4, 23 -12 +7
29, 4, 13 +7 -12
28, 3, 9 +7 +7
20, 29, 5 +6 -10
9, 27, 21 -12 -14 -16 bet against 123
36, 36, 25 + 8
22, 9, 4 +8 +7
35, 21, 35 +6 +5
13, 15, 27 +4
NET +11
I do have questions though.
For one thing, is the 2 unit start (giving you 2 unit wins) a specific min bet?
I also get lost when some rows you bet 1 or 2 or 3 times. WHat determines that?
Thanks
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 25, 06:28 PM 2016
That's 15 losses and 35 wins. That's a flat profit of 5 units.
Definitely not trying to be an asshole. Just pointing out that it seems like
your methodology has been yielding a flat win.
Not sure what it means. Either way that is definitely something.
For flat betting i suggest to bet only against unique(against D3). It would give you some little profit.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 25, 06:32 PM 2016
I do have questions though.
For one thing, is the 2 unit start (giving you 2 unit wins) a specific min bet?
I start from 2 units and it is only my decision and depends on BR.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 25, 06:32 PM 2016
I also get lost when some rows you bet 1 or 2 or 3 times. WHat determines that?
Thanks
If you lost your bet on D1, continue betting on D2. If D1 and D2 are not the same dozen bet against unique.
For example, 12, 27, 30 (bet against 132) first bet D1 loss , continue betting against dozen 3 , loss again. bet against dozen 2 - win.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 26, 02:29 AM 2016
For flat betting i suggest to bet only against unique(against D3). It would give you some little profit.
I start from 2 units and it is only my decision and depends on BR.
If you lost your bet on D1, continue betting on D2. If D1 and D2 are not the same dozen bet against unique.
For example, 12, 27, 30 (bet against 132) first bet D1 loss , continue betting against dozen 3 , loss again. bet against dozen 2 - win.
Thanks for your response and your work.
From your data....
Bet against 132
13,5,18 +2 +2 4 series in a row where no 3rd bet against unique
30, 7, 36 +2 +2
3, 1, 23 -4 +3
13, 30, 36 +3 +2
1, 16, 23, -4 +3 +3
8, 18, 6, -4 +3 +3 Then unique bet occurred..
It happened a lot. Also
36, 33, 36 +4 Where you only bet once.
Any explanation for the inconsistency?
I'm going to dig in more on this.
Thanks
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 26, 03:03 PM 2016
Thanks for your response and your work.
From your data....
Bet against 132
13,5,18 +2 +2 4 series in a row where no 3rd bet against unique
30, 7, 36 +2 +2
3, 1, 23 -4 +3
13, 30, 36 +3 +2
1, 16, 23, -4 +3 +3
8, 18, 6, -4 +3 +3 Then unique bet occurred..
It happened a lot. Also
36, 33, 36 +4 Where you only bet once.
Any explanation for the inconsistency?
I'm going to dig in more on this.
Thanks
What should I do? Where should I go? Bring dice and use them
to decide?
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 26, 03:03 PM 2016
Thanks for your response and your work.
From your data....
Bet against 132
13,5,18 +2 +2 4 series in a row where no 3rd bet against unique
30, 7, 36 +2 +2
3, 1, 23 -4 +3
13, 30, 36 +3 +2
1, 16, 23, -4 +3 +3
8, 18, 6, -4 +3 +3 Then unique bet occurred..
It happened a lot. Also
36, 33, 36 +4 Where you only bet once.
Any explanation for the inconsistency?
I'm going to dig in more on this.
Thanks
13,5,18 +2 +2 First bet against selected unique (132). So first bet against 1. 13 comes and we win +2. Now, no bets(i don't suggest to continue betting if we win on first attempt), waiting. 5 comes. So we have 2 and 1 dozens. And we bet against unique, against 3 dozen. 18 comes and we win +2
36, 33, 36 +4 Here we bet against selected unique. So we win on first attempt. Second comes 33 and we have two 3 dozens in the row. So don't bet against unique. We don't bet against unique if we have two similar dozen.
Please do not hesitate to ask me if you have any questions. It is just my way to play on dozens. Played almost two weeks and double my initial BR.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 23, 03:57 AM 2016
Start with +1 for the first bet. if Win go up to the 2 level and stayed on him. If Lose increase +1 if win stay at the same level once more.
1-1 Win
2-2 Win
2-2 Win
2-2 Lose
3-3 Win
3-3 Win
2-2 Win
etc
still using?
Okee Dokee
Lets do some work. Been sick for a week. Couldn't think.
So page 199 from zumma. Playing against 1 3 2
2 2 3 W N N
3 1 1 W N W
1 1 2 L W N
3 2 1 W N W
1 1 2 L W N
1 2 3 L W W
2 1 1 W N W
2 2 3 W N N
1 0 2 L L N
1 1 3 L W N
First columb 13 W 6 L
Continue
2 2 3 W N N
2 1 1 W N W
3 1 3 W N W
3 2 3 W N W
3 1 1 W N W
3 2 3 W N W
1 2 2 L L W
2 0 2 W N N
1 1 2 L W N
1 3 1 L W W
16 W and 4L.
29 W and 10L. That's a flat win of 9 units.
Did I do it right? I think so.
The first columb was so so. The 2nd one made up for it.
Thanks
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 27, 01:18 PM 2016
Please do not hesitate to ask me if you have any questions. It is just my way to play on dozens. Played almost two weeks and double my initial BR.
How often do you play? This feels like a real comfortable method.
Not threatening, fun, and you walk out with a couple bucks.
What do you use/need for a bank, and what unit? Doesn't seem to hard
on the wallet.
This is EXACTLY what I'm looking for. My casino (now) is 3 exits down the road,
and if I ever get my cast off, I can stop off any day for an hour, have fun,
and leave.
Here is how i would play:
2 2 3 W N N
3 1 1 W N W
1 1 2 L W N
3 2 1 W N L
1 1 2 L W N
1 2 3 L W L
2 1 1 W N W
2 2 3 W N N
1 0 2 L L N
1 1 3 L W N
11 W 8L not a good result but its ok need more time to recover
Then 2 columb:
2 2 3 W N N
2 1 1 W N W
3 1 3 W N W
3 2 3 W N W
3 1 1 W N W
3 2 3 W N W
1 2 2 L W W
2 0 2 W N N
1 1 2 L W N
1 3 1 L L W
16 W 4 L
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 27, 06:13 PM 2016
How often do you play? This feels like a real comfortable method.
Not threatening, fun, and you walk out with a couple bucks.
What do you use/need for a bank, and what unit? Doesn't seem to hard
on the wallet.
This is EXACTLY what I'm looking for. My casino (now) is 3 exits down the road,
and if I ever get my cast off, I can stop off any day for an hour, have fun,
and leave.
I play once in a day and approx 1 hour. You need BR that will allow you to play comfortable even if you had losses streak . I for example, use 0.1$ as a minimum unit in initial BR of 100$. But sometimes play with 0.2$-1$.
Please note that i play only on EU wheel so i don't know how it would be on the American wheel.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 27, 05:44 PM 2016
still using?
I read your progression wrong. Sorry about that. But I can try to explain how I play it:
I always want to stay on level 1. So if on a new high of bankroll I switch back to level 1.
After a loss I increase with +1
After a win I bet the same again and decreases after a win.
An example:
1-1 Win
1-1 Win
1-1 Win
1-1 Lose
2-2 Win
2-2 Win
1-1 Win
etc
What do you think about that?
Quote from: tuddilue on Jan 28, 06:11 AM 2016
I read your progression wrong. Sorry about that. But I can try to explain how I play it:
I always want to stay on level 1. So if on a new high of bankroll I switch back to level 1.
After a loss I increase with +1
After a win I bet the same again and decreases after a win.
An example:
1-1 Win
1-1 Win
1-1 Win
1-1 Lose
2-2 Win
2-2 Win
1-1 Win
etc
What do you think about that?
Its good untill you go to say 5-5 win, rebet 5-5 win, drop to ?, 1-1 would be okay but will take a long time to get those lost raised bets. Look in dont knock it till you try it.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 28, 08:12 AM 2016
Its good untill you go to say 5-5 win, rebet 5-5 win, drop to ?, 1-1 would be okay but will take a long time to get those lost raised bets. Look in dont knock it till you try it.
Yes I understand. I should go to 4-4 win, rebet 4-4 win, drop to 3-3.. When I get a new bankroll high I reset to 1-1..
I will test it a bit further..
Yes tuddilue
As you drop back, if your BR becomes equal, before reaching 1-1,to where it started to rise, you could then drop back to 1-1 and hope the wins keep coming at 1-1,making a unit, you never know when it was back to equal, the next spin it could rise again,but you'd only be 1-1.
Hope that makes sense.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 28, 09:09 AM 2016
Yes tuddilue
As you drop back, if your BR becomes equal, before reaching 1-1,to where it started to rise, you could then drop back to 1-1 and hope the wins keep coming at 1-1,making a unit, you never know when it was back to equal, the next spin it could rise again,but you'd only be 1-1.
Hope that makes sense.
Yes that is exactly as I was thinking. Thanks for clarifying it!
Glad to have helped, Good luck.
tuddilue
Using the bet method discussed, when do you think, should take a win +10
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 28, 01:36 PM 2016
tuddilue
Using the bet method discussed, when do you think, should take a win +10
Yes wright now my win goal is 10% of my daily bankroll that is 100 units. I will test this a couple of times and see how it goes.
tuddilue last figure is the running total, so when do we stop
spin #span doz doz-doz to bet +1/-1 *2 Jackpot247 28.1.16 stake return total out total return Running total
1 6 1
2 15 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 2 3 1
3 3 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 4 6 2
4 15 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 6 9 3
5 3 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 8 12 4
6 24 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 10 15 5
7 9 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 12 18 6
8 29 3 2-3 1 1 2 3 14 21 7
9 31 3 1-2 1 1 2 16 21 5
10 17 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 20 27 7
11 9 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 22 30 8
12 35 3 2-3 1 1 2 3 24 33 9
13 33 3 1-2 1 1 2 26 33 7
14 34 3 1-2 2 2 4 30 33 3
15 23 2 1-2 3 3 6 9 36 42 6
16 16 2 1-3 3 3 6 42 42 0
17 23 2 1-3 4 4 8 50 42 -8
18 1 1 1-3 5 5 10 15 60 57 -3
19 3 1 2-3 5 5 10 70 57 -13
20 18 2 2-3 6 6 12 18 82 75 -7
21 31 3 1-3 6 6 12 18 94 93 -1
22 19 2 1-2 5 5 10 15 104 108 4
23 23 2 1-3 1 1 2 106 108 2
24 32 3 1-3 2 2 4 6 110 114 4
25 22 2 1-2 1 1 2 3 112 117 5
26 30 3 1-3 1 1 2 3 114 120 6
27 22 2 1-2 1 1 2 3 116 123 7
28 26 3 1-3 1 1 2 3 118 126 8
29 35 3 1-2 1 1 2 120 126 6
30 14 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 124 132 8
31 11 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 126 135 9
32 33 3 2-3 1 1 2 3 128 138 10
33 14 2 1-2 1 1 2 3 130 141 11
34 17 2 1-3 1 1 2 132 141 9
35 32 3 1-3 2 2 4 6 136 147 11
36 36 3 1-2 1 1 2 138 147 9
37 16 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 142 153 11
38 18 2 1-3 1 1 2 144 153 9
39 25 3 1-3 2 2 4 6 148 159 11
40 12 1 1-2 1 1 2 3 150 162 12
41 21 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 152 165 13
42 22 2 1-3 1 1 2 154 165 11
43 34 3 1-3 2 2 4 6 158 171 13
44 35 3 1-2 1 1 2 160 171 11
45 24 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 164 177 13
46 17 2 1-3 1 1 2 166 177 11
47 4 1 1-3 2 2 4 6 170 183 13
48 0 0 2-3 1 1 2 172 183 11
49 8 1 0 172 183 11
50 6 1 2-3 2 2 4 176 183 7
51 4 1 2-3 3 3 6 182 183 1
52 7 1 2-3 4 4 8 190 183 -7
53 10 1 2-3 5 5 10 200 183 -17
54 17 2 2-3 6 6 12 18 212 201 -11
55 3 1 1-3 6 6 12 18 224 219 -5
56 24 2 2-3 5 5 10 15 234 234 0
57 3 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 236 237 1
58 5 1 2-3 1 1 2 238 237 -1
59 34 3 2-3 2 2 4 6 242 243 1
60 34 3 1-2 1 1 2 244 243 -1
244 243 -1
61 14 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 248 249 1
62 32 3 1-3 1 1 2 3 250 252 2
63 2 1 1-2 1 1 2 3 252 255 3
64 4 1 2-3 1 1 2 254 255 1
65 29 3 2-3 2 2 4 6 258 261 3
66 32 3 1-2 1 1 2 260 261 1
67 11 1 1-2 2 2 4 6 264 267 3
68 23 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 266 270 4
69 12 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 268 273 5
70 12 1 2-3 1 1 2 270 273 3
71 22 2 2-3 2 2 4 6 274 279 5
72 18 2 1-3 1 1 2 276 279 3
73 6 1 1-3 2 2 4 6 280 285 5
74 4 1 2-3 1 1 2 282 285 3
75 27 3 2-3 2 2 4 6 286 291 5
76 32 3 1-2 1 1 2 288 291 3
77 32 3 1-2 2 2 4 292 291 -1
78 16 2 1-2 3 3 6 9 298 300 2
79 22 2 1-3 1 1 2 300 300 0
80 7 1 1-3 2 2 4 6 304 306 2
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 28, 01:41 PM 2016
tuddilue last figure is the running total, so when do we stop
spin #span doz doz-doz to bet +1/-1 *2 Jackpot247 28.1.16 stake return total out total return Running total
1 6 1
2 15 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 2 3 1
3 3 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 4 6 2
4 15 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 6 9 3
5 3 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 8 12 4
6 24 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 10 15 5
7 9 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 12 18 6
8 29 3 2-3 1 1 2 3 14 21 7
9 31 3 1-2 1 1 2 16 21 5
10 17 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 20 27 7
11 9 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 22 30 8
12 35 3 2-3 1 1 2 3 24 33 9
13 33 3 1-2 1 1 2 26 33 7
14 34 3 1-2 2 2 4 30 33 3
15 23 2 1-2 3 3 6 9 36 42 6
16 16 2 1-3 3 3 6 42 42 0
17 23 2 1-3 4 4 8 50 42 -8
18 1 1 1-3 5 5 10 15 60 57 -3
19 3 1 2-3 5 5 10 70 57 -13
20 18 2 2-3 6 6 12 18 82 75 -7
21 31 3 1-3 6 6 12 18 94 93 -1
22 19 2 1-2 5 5 10 15 104 108 4
23 23 2 1-3 1 1 2 106 108 2
24 32 3 1-3 2 2 4 6 110 114 4
25 22 2 1-2 1 1 2 3 112 117 5
26 30 3 1-3 1 1 2 3 114 120 6
27 22 2 1-2 1 1 2 3 116 123 7
28 26 3 1-3 1 1 2 3 118 126 8
29 35 3 1-2 1 1 2 120 126 6
30 14 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 124 132 8
31 11 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 126 135 9
32 33 3 2-3 1 1 2 3 128 138 10
33 14 2 1-2 1 1 2 3 130 141 11
34 17 2 1-3 1 1 2 132 141 9
35 32 3 1-3 2 2 4 6 136 147 11
36 36 3 1-2 1 1 2 138 147 9
37 16 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 142 153 11
38 18 2 1-3 1 1 2 144 153 9
39 25 3 1-3 2 2 4 6 148 159 11
40 12 1 1-2 1 1 2 3 150 162 12
41 21 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 152 165 13
42 22 2 1-3 1 1 2 154 165 11
43 34 3 1-3 2 2 4 6 158 171 13
44 35 3 1-2 1 1 2 160 171 11
45 24 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 164 177 13
46 17 2 1-3 1 1 2 166 177 11
47 4 1 1-3 2 2 4 6 170 183 13
48 0 0 2-3 1 1 2 172 183 11
49 8 1 0 172 183 11
50 6 1 2-3 2 2 4 176 183 7
51 4 1 2-3 3 3 6 182 183 1
52 7 1 2-3 4 4 8 190 183 -7
53 10 1 2-3 5 5 10 200 183 -17
54 17 2 2-3 6 6 12 18 212 201 -11
55 3 1 1-3 6 6 12 18 224 219 -5
56 24 2 2-3 5 5 10 15 234 234 0
57 3 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 236 237 1
58 5 1 2-3 1 1 2 238 237 -1
59 34 3 2-3 2 2 4 6 242 243 1
60 34 3 1-2 1 1 2 244 243 -1
244 243 -1
61 14 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 248 249 1
62 32 3 1-3 1 1 2 3 250 252 2
63 2 1 1-2 1 1 2 3 252 255 3
64 4 1 2-3 1 1 2 254 255 1
65 29 3 2-3 2 2 4 6 258 261 3
66 32 3 1-2 1 1 2 260 261 1
67 11 1 1-2 2 2 4 6 264 267 3
68 23 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 266 270 4
69 12 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 268 273 5
70 12 1 2-3 1 1 2 270 273 3
71 22 2 2-3 2 2 4 6 274 279 5
72 18 2 1-3 1 1 2 276 279 3
73 6 1 1-3 2 2 4 6 280 285 5
74 4 1 2-3 1 1 2 282 285 3
75 27 3 2-3 2 2 4 6 286 291 5
76 32 3 1-2 1 1 2 288 291 3
77 32 3 1-2 2 2 4 292 291 -1
78 16 2 1-2 3 3 6 9 298 300 2
79 22 2 1-3 1 1 2 300 300 0
80 7 1 1-3 2 2 4 6 304 306 2
I should have stopped when I was +10. In that case row 32 if I reading it correctly.
Otherwise you have a high on +13. But it is always hard to prick that.
Really funny to see it recovers well. That is the same feeling for me.
What are you using for logging program?
Afternoon tuddilue
Yeah what amazes me is the win unit gets to a certain plus, then goes down, then makes the come back, this can happen a couple of times, but the more you go on the more chance of taking longer to recover or even if it can recoverwith the br one has, of the tests i've done even when going plus 160 spins it eventually came back,so you should have learnt to taken a win, other wise its another grind coming.
If you don't mind, could you post your results between code tags, notto? Your columns would be more properly alligned and easier to read. :thumbsup:
you'll have to explain as i 'm usless with all this computer stuff, are the code tags above
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 29, 10:10 AM 2016
you'll have to explain as i 'm usless with all this computer stuff, are the code tags above
My guess is that you track your result in excel, correct?
Let's take your first five spins for example:
I didn't include everything since this is just an example. There's is a button that has a sharp-icon (#) so what you do is copy the text you want to share from excel and paste
it in notepad. From there you just copy the text from notepad, press the #-icon and put the text between the tags:
[.code] (without the dot)
paste text here
[./code] (without the dot)
Result:
spin #span doz doz-doz to bet
1 6 1
2 15 2 2-3
3 1 1 1-3
4 2 1 2-3
5 1 1 1-3
i'll have a go some time. Thanks
Is this what you mean
spin #span doz doz-doz to bet +1/-1 *2 stake return total out total return Running total
1 6 1
2 15 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 2 3 1
3 3 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 4 6 2
4 15 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 6 9 3
5 3 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 8 12 4
6 24 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 10 15 5
7 9 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 12 18 6
8 29 3 2-3 1 1 2 3 14 21 7
9 31 3 1-2 1 1 2 16 21 5
10 17 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 20 27 7
11 9 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 22 30 8
12 35 3 2-3 1 1 2 3 24 33 9
13 33 3 1-2 1 1 2 26 33 7
14 34 3 1-2 2 2 4 30 33 3
15 23 2 1-2 3 3 6 9 36 42 6
16 16 2 1-3 3 3 6 42 42 0
17 23 2 1-3 4 4 8 50 42 -8
18 1 1 1-3 5 5 10 15 60 57 -3
19 3 1 2-3 5 5 10 70 57 -13
20 18 2 2-3 6 6 12 18 82 75 -7
21 31 3 1-3 6 6 12 18 94 93 -1
22 19 2 1-2 5 5 10 15 104 108 4
23 23 2 1-3 1 1 2 106 108 2
24 32 3 1-3 2 2 4 6 110 114 4
25 22 2 1-2 1 1 2 3 112 117 5
26 30 3 1-3 1 1 2 3 114 120 6
27 22 2 1-2 1 1 2 3 116 123 7
28 26 3 1-3 1 1 2 3 118 126 8
29 35 3 1-2 1 1 2 120 126 6
30 14 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 124 132 8
31 11 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 126 135 9
32 33 3 2-3 1 1 2 3 128 138 10
33 14 2 1-2 1 1 2 3 130 141 11
34 17 2 1-3 1 1 2 132 141 9
35 32 3 1-3 2 2 4 6 136 147 11
36 36 3 1-2 1 1 2 138 147 9
37 16 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 142 153 11
38 18 2 1-3 1 1 2 144 153 9
39 25 3 1-3 2 2 4 6 148 159 11
40 12 1 1-2 1 1 2 3 150 162 12
41 21 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 152 165 13
42 22 2 1-3 1 1 2 154 165 11
43 34 3 1-3 2 2 4 6 158 171 13
44 35 3 1-2 1 1 2 160 171 11
45 24 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 164 177 13
46 17 2 1-3 1 1 2 166 177 11
47 4 1 1-3 2 2 4 6 170 183 13
48 0 0 2-3 1 1 2 172 183 11
49 8 1 0 172 183 11
50 6 1 2-3 2 2 4 176 183 7
51 4 1 2-3 3 3 6 182 183 1
52 7 1 2-3 4 4 8 190 183 -7
53 10 1 2-3 5 5 10 200 183 -17
54 17 2 2-3 6 6 12 18 212 201 -11
55 3 1 1-3 6 6 12 18 224 219 -5
56 24 2 2-3 5 5 10 15 234 234 0
57 3 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 236 237 1
58 5 1 2-3 1 1 2 238 237 -1
59 34 3 2-3 2 2 4 6 242 243 1
60 34 3 1-2 1 1 2 244 243 -1
244 243 -1
61 14 2 1-2 2 2 4 6 248 249 1
62 32 3 1-3 1 1 2 3 250 252 2
63 2 1 1-2 1 1 2 3 252 255 3
64 4 1 2-3 1 1 2 254 255 1
65 29 3 2-3 2 2 4 6 258 261 3
66 32 3 1-2 1 1 2 260 261 1
67 11 1 1-2 2 2 4 6 264 267 3
68 23 2 2-3 1 1 2 3 266 270 4
69 12 1 1-3 1 1 2 3 268 273 5
70 12 1 2-3 1 1 2 270 273 3
71 22 2 2-3 2 2 4 6 274 279 5
72 18 2 1-3 1 1 2 276 279 3
73 6 1 1-3 2 2 4 6 280 285 5
74 4 1 2-3 1 1 2 282 285 3
75 27 3 2-3 2 2 4 6 286 291 5
76 32 3 1-2 1 1 2 288 291 3
77 32 3 1-2 2 2 4 292 291 -1
78 16 2 1-2 3 3 6 9 298 300 2
79 22 2 1-3 1 1 2 300 300 0
80 7 1 1-3 2 2 4 6 304 306 2
Much better. :thumbsup:
Yesterday's spins:
D1 D2 D3
7 9 14
6 18 27
4 19 10
27 29 13
18 23 22
26 20 32
31 33 5
20 5 15
25 31 34
23 36 28
9 20 17
21 12 3
21 13 28
22 7 18
28 33 22
4 5 26
18 28 2
8 16 1
36 33 5
9 14 3
22 0 24
26 34 35
35 21 24
21 18 5
36 7 0
22 24 20
29 1 4
12 21 15
0 0 21
1 8 22
29 18 11
19 31 2
4 26 4
33 26 7
23 4 14
Total Net +18
Jackpot 24/7 29.1.16 betting double dozen
spin #span doz doz-doz to bet +1/-1 stake return total out total return Running total
1 9 1
2 24 2 2-3 1-1 2 3 2 3 1
3 35 3 1-3 1-1 2 3 4 6 2
4 22 2 1-2 1-1 2 3 6 9 3
5 26 3 1-3 1-1 2 3 8 12 4
6 21 2 1-2 1-1 2 3 10 15 5
7 10 1 1-3 1-1 2 3 12 18 6
8 29 3 2-3 1-1 2 3 14 21 7
9 8 1 1-2 1-1 2 3 16 24 8
10 31 3 2-3 1-1 2 3 18 27 9
11 29 3 1-2 1-1 2 20 27 7
12 26 3 1-2 2-2 4 24 27 3
13 1 1 1-2 3-3 6 9 30 36 6
14 24 2 2-3 3-3 6 9 36 45 9
15 17 2 1-3 1-1 2 38 45 7
16 34 3 1-3 2-2 4 6 42 51 9
17 32 3 1-2 1-1 2 44 51 7
18 22 2 1-2 2-2 4 6 48 57 9
19 36 3 1-3 1-1 2 3 50 60 10 tuddilue +10 These are numbers from todays jackpot24/7
20 9 1 1-2 airball
21 25 3 2-3
22 15 2 1-2
23 33 3 1-3
24 25 3 1-2
25 1 1 1-2
26 23 2 2-3
27 22 2 1-3
28 19 2 1-3
29 3 1 1-3
30 21 2 2-3
31 33 3 1-3
32 14 2 1-2
33 1 1 1-3
34 8 1 2-3
35 28 3 2-3
36 9 1 1-2
37 31 3 2-3
38 2 1 1-2
39 2 1 2-3
40 31 3 2-3
41 35 3 1-2
42 12 1 1-2
43 6 1 2-3
44 22 2 2-3
45 31 3 1-3
46 31 3 1-2
47 15 2 1-2
48 15 2 1-3
49 30 3 1-3
50 36 3 1-2
51 3 1 1-2
52 7 1 2-3
53 28 3 2-3
54 24 2 1-2
55 17 2 1-3
56 3 1 1-3
57 12 1 2-3
58 10 1 2-3
59
60
So I went to the sidelines to see where this was going, and just caught up.
I posted a zumma test and it made 9 units profit. I suppose I was slipping into the expectation that
that would be the norm.
So I grabbed pg 199 and 200. Both broke even. Then 101. That gave me, like, 13 wins and 12 losses.
Which I suppose puts you -12 units flat bet.
That's where flat bet testing got me. So I'm reconsidering and going to try working this progression
and see what happens. Obviously the even pages will profit, and the question, as always, is
where will the tough page go? Beyond that is always the question of maintaining capital and not
losing.
Any comments or observations welcome. But I was an advocate of this method for a while, and it
could just be that I was expecting too much from it.
Thanks
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 29, 04:38 PM 2016
So I went to the sidelines to see where this was going, and just caught up.
I posted a zumma test and it made 9 units profit. I suppose I was slipping into the expectation that
that would be the norm.
So I grabbed pg 199 and 200. Both broke even. Then 101. That gave me, like, 13 wins and 12 losses.
Which I suppose puts you -12 units flat bet.
That's where flat bet testing got me. So I'm reconsidering and going to try working this progression
and see what happens. Obviously the even pages will profit, and the question, as always, is
where will the tough page go? Beyond that is always the question of maintaining capital and not
losing.
Any comments or observations welcome. But I was an advocate of this method for a while, and it
could just be that I was expecting too much from it.
Thanks
Judging by your comments in grassroots and here in this thread it seems to me you are looking for a method that never loses....
Boy are you in for dissapointment
They will ALL lose at times
Limit the loss and stop. The future wins will compensate
If you play 5 sessions a week 2 might be losers. Up to you how big the loss
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 29, 05:51 PM 2016
Judging by your comments in grassroots and here in this thread it seems to me you are looking for a method that never loses....
Boy are you in for dissapointment
They will ALL lose at times
Limit the loss and stop. The future wins will compensate
If you play 5 sessions a week 2 might be losers. Up to you how big the loss
RG, whenever you examine a method that you want to embrace, it is like the "WWW" with so many variables
all over the place.
Am I looking for a method where I can bet $10K each spin, stay even, and after several hours
turn on unit profit? OR am I ready to risk that $10K playing a martingale to win $5/ spin and make
a profit like that?
A lot of swing, and plus neg from the flatbet, and the occasional catastrophic loss that you are always
happy you avoided.
From there the walls close in.
Am I looking for something that never wins? What could the answer POSSIBLY be?
Yes.
You are too. (Now look in the mirror).
The thing that I have going, I suppose is that I always am playing on paper. So when things
go good or bad, and things fall apart, it hurts. But it's all a computer game.
When I walk through here with my hand raised with a conclusive, "this is the one I like and can
win with".
Having said that, with this particular method in question, there has been no safety net for loss.
No discussion of it. In a weird and good way, everyone seems to be playing, winning, and posting
actual play lists, with no talk or concern about "near misses", or even to define what a near miss is.
One final thought about your comment. With all the successful team work and good energy going on here,
it makes me wonder what the point of this post could be.
I don't think we need an philosophical narratives about peoples intentions and such. This, right now, is the
core of a group of deluded people working happily together on something, looks like. And the post that
you just made smells like an attempt to turn it into another 100 pages of shit.
:girl_to: :girl_to: :girl_to: :girl_to:I'll go back to working with the system and talking with the people who post about it. And making comments
about what I think of their results or how to change them. Not what I think their hopes, dreams, or delutions are.
Finding a page in zumma that loses doesnt mean the method is a loser
Deal with the loss by limiting the loss
Az_MAXX is doing fantastic with that
A near miss? Or a miss? Win next session
Not trying to hit a crazy bashing path with you mogul
The point im making is you say you went to this page in zumma and saw a loss. Ok. You will. On any method always you wil see that.
In 123 thread u akso wold cite pages that saw a loss. I can do it to.
When az maxx sees a loss it doesnt hurt him he changes up the bet a tad bit and goes on. Spending time looking for a loss in zumma : counterproductive
In 123 thread u also would cite pages that saw a loss.
I can do it to.
When az maxx sees a loss it doesnt hurt him he changes up the bet a tad bit and goes on.
Spending time looking for a loss in zumma : counterproductive.
Because on any and all methods you can find where it loses
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 29, 06:53 PM 2016
Finding a page in zumma that loses doesnt mean the method is a loser
Deal with the loss by limiting the loss
Az_MAXX is doing fantastic with that
A near miss? Or a miss? Win next session
Not trying to hit a crazy bashing path with you mogul
The point im making is you say you went to this page in zumma and saw a loss. Ok. You will. On any method always you wil see that.
In 123 thread u akso wold cite pages that saw a loss. I can do it to.
When az maxx sees a loss it doesnt hurt him he changes up the bet a tad bit and goes on. Spending time looking for a loss in zumma : counterproductive
I have what I call the "wallpaper test". "Throw it against the wall and see what sticks".
I've seen, learned, and tested more methods then you read about. Most of the ones here, including
the 1,2,3 generally fail. By that (And this is off the cuff. IT's not like I wrote a book) I mean that
I pick up zumma and run some random tests. Usually ones that require the least effort. It usually
points out right away, ones that have the tendency to be ridiculous. In money. In play mechanics.
Possible loss. Lack of winning. etc etc etc.
If it attracts me, by then my brain has a pattern. And I'll sit down with a pen and make a chart and
run some tests. More often than not (And this was the case with the 1,2,3......With that"holy grail" thing
a year ago, etc, you hit a loss quick. Of course, what does that "loss" mean in the context of games played
effort, etc.
So the short response is that, in the context I was looking (flat), it left the method unremarkable.
What I mean by that is, for 4-5 sessions the loss pretty much cleaned out the winnings, making it
a waste of time. And also "unremarkable" also means that there's another thing going to poke
it's head out. Like playing the progression and getting into any of the usual trouble that progressions
give you.
I don't know that cause I haven't played with it. But usually the mess turns up in 2-3 pages of zumma.
So if you want to continue this analytical crap, why don't you just start another thread about it and not
make this another 100 pages of shit, like they have become in the past.
I'm asking you to. Or if you are too stupid to already understand what I mean then PM me.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 29, 06:53 PM 2016
Finding a page in zumma that loses doesnt mean the method is a loser
Deal with the loss by limiting the loss
Az_MAXX is doing fantastic with that
A near miss? Or a miss? Win next session
Not trying to hit a crazy bashing path with you mogul
The point im making is you say you went to this page in zumma and saw a loss. Ok. You will. On any method always you wil see that.
In 123 thread u akso wold cite pages that saw a loss. I can do it to.
When az maxx sees a loss it doesnt hurt him he changes up the bet a tad bit and goes on. Spending time looking for a loss in zumma : counterproductive
You jump into things unrelated to people or subject, decide there is and argument with the person,
BECOME that person, and argue like they are being attacked and need to be defended. No one
was talking to you. Not enough social interaction selling cars?
Guys, let's stop arguing and discuss in the normal conditions.
The method which iam using works well and i often finish session with the a plus and sometimes with a minus. So of course it is not a HG and any suggestion would strengthen on this method.
Also to each of the wheel has its own pattern.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 30, 06:28 AM 2016
Guys, let's stop arguing and discuss in the normal conditions.
The method which iam using works well and i often finish session with the a plus and sometimes with a minus. So of course it is not a HG and any suggestion would strengthen on this method.
I think that that was the looming question. How, where, and when does the method
leave you at a loss? How much is it, and when do you decide to cut your loss?
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 30, 06:28 AM 2016
Guys, let's stop arguing and discuss in the normal conditions.
The method which iam using works well and i often finish session with the a plus and sometimes with a minus. So of course it is not a HG and any suggestion would strengthen on this method.
And we are talking the specific way you play?
You start at 2 units? 2 units is your base? Increase 1 unit on a loss, and decrease 1 unit after 2 wins?
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 28, 12:46 AM 2016
I play once in a day and approx 1 hour. You need BR that will allow you to play comfortable even if you had losses streak . I for example, use 0.1$ as a minimum unit in initial BR of 100$. But sometimes play with 0.2$-1$.
Please note that i play only on EU wheel so i don't know how it would be on the American wheel.
SO you need a 100 unit bank?
So as an example and rehash of page 201, which came up pretty even with
wins and losses......
Against 231
Result BETS Running total.
2 1 0 L W L Bet 11(l) 22(w) 22(l) -2 0 -4
3 3 3 W L W Bet 33(w)33(l) NB -1 -7
2 1 0 L W L Bet 44(l) 55(w) 55(l) -15 -10 -20
1 2 1 w w w Bet 66(w)66(w) 55(w) -14 -8 -3
1 3 2 W L W Bet 55(w) 44(l) 55(w) +2 -6 -1
2 3 1 L L L Bet 55(l)66(l) 77(l) -10 -22 -34
I'll stop there. I think I did it right. But this is looking pretty hot.
Haven't seen this in any other results posted. So in the category of
where or when you cut losses, this would be a good example.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 30, 11:16 AM 2016
I think that that was the looming question. How, where, and when does the method
leave you at a loss? How much is it, and when do you decide to cut your loss?
The main point here is expect the possible losses in session you play. So for each game i expect the possible bad luck in the game and possible loss and it let me end session at any time i want.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 30, 11:18 AM 2016
And we are talking the specific way you play?
You start at 2 units? 2 units is your base? Increase 1 unit on a loss, and decrease 1 unit after 2 wins?
You can start at 2 unit or 1 unit. Increase for 1 unit on a loss and stay at the same level for 2 bets, then decrease if win.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Jan 30, 04:54 PM 2016
You can start at 2 unit or 1 unit. Increase for 1 unit on a loss and stay at the same level for 2 bets, then decrease if win.
Not identical, but you can see above, pg 201 is a challenge.
Not sure what to do with it.
Ideas?
When questionable situations occur, it opens up a whole new can of
worms and many variables. One thought is that the increasing regularity
of bet size, considering the lay aspect, is dangerous. That's kind of
obvious.
Another thought that I've had in general about progressions, is that
one thing that leads them to fatality is the idea that recovery from a
drawdown has to be immediate and compete.
Using these two concepts, I think, might help in self preservation.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 30, 05:08 PM 2016
Not identical, but you can see above, pg 201 is a challenge.
Not sure what to do with it.
Ideas?
When questionable situations occur, it opens up a whole new can of
worms and many variables. One thought is that the increasing regularity
of bet size, considering the lay aspect, is dangerous. That's kind of
obvious.
Another thought that I've had in general about progressions, is that
one thing that leads them to fatality is the idea that recovery from a
drawdown has to be immediate and compete.
Using these two concepts, I think, might help in self preservation.
Just to add a footnote, this experience in testing is not unique for me. Like I have
said in the past, it usually doesn't take me more than 2-3 pages of testing to find a
weak spot or a potential blow out. That is good news in that, I don't have to
waste my time with false hopes. Although if you do experience 10-15 winning sessions,
one loss is hardly a failure.
The deception is, when I read about people who, somehow, test 10's of thousands of results
with no loss, yet I seem to just pull a rabbit out of my hat. I can see the hope and skepticism
on both sides. But I see my reality. And I don't manufactur it. Just turn to the page of data documented.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 30, 05:08 PM 2016
Another thought that I've had in general about progressions, is that
one thing that leads them to fatality is the idea that recovery from a
drawdown has to be immediate and compete.
Totally agree with you.
Have another raw idea, to play against dozen patterns sequences:
Write down two dozen variations:
1-1
1-2
1-3
2-1
2-2
2-3
3-1
3-2
3-3
For example:
Spins: 15, 9 (This is dozen 2 and dozen 1, so we write against 2-1 number 1)...next spins 28, 3(again do the same thing for 3-1, write number 2)... next 15,30, 36,4, 16, 8
So now we have
1-1
1-2
1-3
2-1 (1), (5)
2-2
2-3 (3)
3-1 (2) (4)
3-2
3-3
Now we start to bet against the same sequences will happen. So our first number is 2-1 variation. Bet against 2-1. Then we will bet against 3-1 and so on.
AZ_Max - Not quite sure I follow when you say "Now we start to bet against the same sequences will happen. So our first number is 2-1 variation. Bet against 2-1. Then we will bet against 3-1 and so on." Could you explain this please?
Okay... I think I got an idea of what your trying to do here.
Let's take you example:
1-1
1-2
1-3
2-1 (1), (5)
2-2
2-3 (3)
3-1 (2) (4)
3-2
3-3
Here you will bet against the following dozen sequence of two:
2-1
3-1
2-3
3-1
2-1
Am I right so far?
Quote from: Rourke on Feb 22, 12:03 PM 2016
Okay... I think I got an idea of what your trying to do here.
Let's take you example:
1-1
1-2
1-3
2-1 (1), (5)
2-2
2-3 (3)
3-1 (2) (4)
3-2
3-3
Here you will bet against the following dozen sequence of two:
2-1
3-1
2-3
3-1
2-1
Am I right so far?
Yes, you are right.
Quote from: Az_MAX on Feb 22, 08:10 AM 2016
Have another raw idea, to play against dozen patterns sequences:
Write down two dozen variations:
1-1
1-2
1-3
2-1
2-2
2-3
3-1
3-2
3-3
For example:
Spins: 15, 9 (This is dozen 2 and dozen 1, so we write against 2-1 number 1)...next spins 28, 3(again do the same thing for 3-1, write number 2)... next 15,30, 36,4, 16, 8
So now we have
1-1
1-2
1-3
2-1 (1), (5)
2-2
2-3 (3)
3-1 (2) (4)
3-2
3-3
Now we start to bet against the same sequences will happen. So our first number is 2-1 variation. Bet against 2-1. Then we will bet against 3-1 and so on.
Az_max, what progression do you suggest with this variation?