Random 2-Dozen betting

[RouletteGhost]

In 123 thread u also would cite pages that saw a loss.

I can do it to.

When az maxx sees a loss it doesnt hurt him he changes up the bet a tad bit and goes on. 

Spending time looking for a loss in zumma : counterproductive.

Because on any and all methods you can find where it loses

[mogul397]

Finding a page in zumma that loses doesnt mean the method is a loser

Deal with the loss by limiting the loss

Az_MAXX is doing fantastic with that

A near miss? Or a miss? Win next session

Not trying to hit a crazy bashing path with you mogul

The point im making is you say you went to this page in zumma and saw a loss.  Ok. You will. On any method always you wil see that.

In 123 thread u akso wold cite pages that saw a loss. I can do it to.

When az maxx sees a loss it doesnt hurt him he changes up the bet a tad bit and goes on.  Spending time looking for a loss in zumma : counterproductive

I have what I call the "wallpaper test".  "Throw it against the wall and see what sticks".

I've seen, learned, and tested more methods then you read about.  Most of the ones here, including
the 1,2,3 generally fail. By that (And this is off the cuff. IT's not like I wrote a book) I mean that
I pick up zumma and run some random tests. Usually ones that require the least effort. It usually
points out right away, ones that have the tendency to be ridiculous. In money. In play mechanics.
Possible loss. Lack of winning.  etc etc etc.

If it attracts me, by then my brain has a pattern. And I'll sit down with a pen and make a chart and
run some tests. More often than not (And this was the case with the 1,2,3......With that"holy grail" thing
a year ago, etc, you hit a loss quick. Of course, what does that "loss" mean in the context of games played
effort, etc.

So the short response is that, in the context I was looking (flat), it left the method unremarkable.
What I mean by that is, for 4-5 sessions the loss pretty much cleaned out the winnings, making it
a waste of time. And also "unremarkable" also means that there's another thing going to poke
it's head out.  Like playing the progression and getting into any of the usual trouble that progressions
give you.

I don't know that cause I haven't played with it.  But usually the mess turns up in 2-3 pages of zumma.

So if you want to continue this analytical crap, why don't you just start another thread about it and not
make this another 100 pages of shit, like they have become in the past.

I'm asking you to.  Or if you are too stupid to already understand what I mean then PM me.

[mogul397]

Finding a page in zumma that loses doesnt mean the method is a loser

Deal with the loss by limiting the loss

Az_MAXX is doing fantastic with that

A near miss? Or a miss? Win next session

Not trying to hit a crazy bashing path with you mogul

The point im making is you say you went to this page in zumma and saw a loss.  Ok. You will. On any method always you wil see that.

In 123 thread u akso wold cite pages that saw a loss. I can do it to.

When az maxx sees a loss it doesnt hurt him he changes up the bet a tad bit and goes on.  Spending time looking for a loss in zumma : counterproductive

You jump into things unrelated to people or subject, decide there is and argument with the person,
BECOME that person, and argue like they are being attacked and need to be defended. No one
was talking to you.  Not enough social interaction selling cars?

[Az_MAX]

Guys, let's stop arguing and discuss in the normal conditions.
The method which iam using works well and i often finish session with the a plus and sometimes with a minus. So of course it is not a HG and any suggestion would strengthen on this method.   

[Az_MAX]

Also to each of the wheel has its own pattern.

[mogul397]

Guys, let's stop arguing and discuss in the normal conditions.
The method which iam using works well and i often finish session with the a plus and sometimes with a minus. So of course it is not a HG and any suggestion would strengthen on this method.

I think that that was the looming question.  How, where, and when does the method
leave you at a loss? How much is it, and when do you decide to cut your loss?

[mogul397]

Guys, let's stop arguing and discuss in the normal conditions.
The method which iam using works well and i often finish session with the a plus and sometimes with a minus. So of course it is not a HG and any suggestion would strengthen on this method.

And we are talking the specific way you play?

You start at 2 units?  2 units is your base? Increase 1 unit on a loss, and decrease 1 unit after 2 wins?

[mogul397]

I play once in a day and approx 1 hour.  You need BR that will allow you to play comfortable even if you had losses streak . I for example, use 0.1$ as a minimum unit in initial BR of 100$. But sometimes play with 0.2$-1$.

Please note that i play only on EU wheel so i don't know how it would be on the American wheel.

SO you need a 100 unit bank?

[mogul397]

So as an example and rehash of page 201, which came up pretty even with
wins and losses......
                 
Against 231
           Result             BETS                                                Running total.                                                           
2 1 0   L W L      Bet  11(l)  22(w)  22(l)                                 -2 0 -4
3 3 3   W L W     Bet  33(w)33(l)   NB                                     -1 -7
2 1 0   L W L      Bet  44(l) 55(w) 55(l)                                   -15 -10 -20
1 2 1   w w w     Bet  66(w)66(w) 55(w)                                 -14 -8 -3
1 3 2   W L W     Bet  55(w) 44(l) 55(w)                                 +2 -6 -1
2 3 1   L L L        Bet  55(l)66(l) 77(l)                                     -10 -22 -34

I'll stop there. I think I did it right.  But this is looking pretty hot.

Haven't seen this in any other results posted. So in the category of
where or when you cut losses, this would be a good example.

[Az_MAX]

I think that that was the looming question.  How, where, and when does the method
leave you at a loss? How much is it, and when do you decide to cut your loss?

The main point here is expect the possible losses in session you play. So for each game i expect the possible bad luck in the game and possible loss and it let me end session at any time i want.

[Az_MAX]

And we are talking the specific way you play?

You start at 2 units?  2 units is your base? Increase 1 unit on a loss, and decrease 1 unit after 2 wins?

You can start at 2 unit or 1 unit. Increase for 1 unit on a loss and stay at the same level for 2 bets, then decrease if win.

[mogul397]

You can start at 2 unit or 1 unit. Increase for 1 unit on a loss and stay at the same level for 2 bets, then decrease if win.

Not identical, but you can see above, pg 201 is a challenge.
Not sure what to do with it.

Ideas?

When questionable situations occur, it opens up a whole new can of
worms and many variables.  One thought is that the increasing regularity
of bet size, considering the lay aspect, is dangerous.  That's kind of
obvious.

Another thought that I've had in general about progressions, is that
one thing that leads them to fatality is the idea that recovery from a
drawdown has to be immediate and compete.

Using these two concepts, I think, might help in self preservation.

[mogul397]

Not identical, but you can see above, pg 201 is a challenge.
Not sure what to do with it.

Ideas?

When questionable situations occur, it opens up a whole new can of
worms and many variables.  One thought is that the increasing regularity
of bet size, considering the lay aspect, is dangerous.  That's kind of
obvious.

Another thought that I've had in general about progressions, is that
one thing that leads them to fatality is the idea that recovery from a
drawdown has to be immediate and compete.

Using these two concepts, I think, might help in self preservation.

Just to add a footnote, this experience in testing is not unique for me.  Like I have
said in the past, it usually doesn't take me more than 2-3 pages of testing to find a
weak spot or a potential blow out.  That is good news in that, I don't have to
waste my time with false hopes. Although if you do experience 10-15 winning sessions,
one loss is hardly a failure.

The deception is, when I read about people who, somehow, test 10's of thousands of results
with no loss, yet I seem to just pull a rabbit out of my hat. I can see the hope and skepticism
on both sides. But I see my reality. And I don't manufactur it.  Just turn to the page of data documented.

[Az_MAX]

Another thought that I've had in general about progressions, is that
one thing that leads them to fatality is the idea that recovery from a
drawdown has to be immediate and compete.

Totally agree with you.

[Az_MAX]

Have another raw idea, to play against dozen patterns sequences:
Write down two dozen variations:
1-1
1-2
1-3
2-1
2-2
2-3
3-1
3-2
3-3

For example:
Spins: 15, 9 (This is dozen 2 and dozen 1, so we write against 2-1 number 1)...next spins 28, 3(again do the same thing for 3-1, write number 2)... next 15,30, 36,4, 16, 8

So now we have

1-1
1-2
1-3
2-1 (1), (5)
2-2
2-3 (3)
3-1 (2) (4)
3-2
3-3

Now we start to bet against the same sequences will happen. So our first number is 2-1 variation. Bet against 2-1. Then we will bet against 3-1 and so on.