While testing GUT I've tested about all crossings. Even the ones that aren't selected as good ones. So....after testing +3000 sessions in wiesbaden and +1000 real played sessions. ....
I play in 40 spin cycles. Each time a number is spun I cross it off . I keep doing this till I crossed of 17 numbers. (20 remaining). Now I bet the 20 numbers with 1unit. Win? We now got 18 nrs crossed off. So bet the 19 remaining with 1unit. Win ? We now got 19 numbers crossed off. Bet the remaining 18 with 1unit. Win? We now got 20 numbers crossed off. Bet the remaining 17 numbers with 1unit. Win ? Stop. Let the cycle finish till spin 40. Start it all again.
We use a 1-2 progression. So if we lost our 1unit bet ..we rebet with 2u. Lose again? Wait till we can cross off a new number.
Tracking can be done with pen and paper or the clicker.
Results of +1000 real sessions :
Flatbet each trigger : 4450 units
1-2 : 7800 units
1-2-4 : 12110 units
1-2-4-8 : 16000 units
Important it's done on the same wheel. Also I don't "jump" as you could getting in a losing streak.
Very boring though. ???
Well, back to the lab again...
Seams that with gut is like with potatoes - you can make it on hundred different ways!
Thanks Denzie
Simple and interesting. I will look into it.
Thanks denzie!
- Tuddilue
It's a grinder though. Best test in wiesbaden or personal data.Coz you will get bored b4 you get in profit . Make sure the spins following another. Not 40 from unibet and another 40 from Bv or something. ... same wheel. It could be the same but it's not how I tested it.
I used tabe 5 of wiesbaden. I even reversed the spins to see what happened. Same shizzle. Won.
Ooooh and I know I know. ...Triggers, progressions , fallacy, etc..... I just say what I saw and did....not claimed hg or something so let's all chill :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Jun 02, 07:33 AM 2016
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Ooooh and I know I know. ...Triggers, progressions , fallacy, etc..... I just say what I saw and did....not claimed hg or something so let's all chill :thumbsup:
He he dangerous to talk of these kind of things. Especially hg O0
Quote from: tuddilue on Jun 02, 08:22 AM 2016
He he dangerous to talk of these kind of things. Especially hg O0
Hg hg hg hg hg hg hg hg :girl_to:
progression
lose +1
win -1
stop at remain 4 number bet
i come from thailand
cannot speak english
win remove number
at 4 number reset
......test......
Quote from: denzie on Jun 02, 06:19 AM 2016Results of +1000 real sessions :
Flatbet each trigger : 4450 units
1-2 : 7800 units
1-2-4 : 12110 units
1-2-4-8 : 16000 units
Can you explain this a bit better please denzie.
Well then, show us how wonderful it is on the multiplayer game linked to this forum.
Quote from: Justin on Jun 02, 09:24 AM 2016
Can you explain this a bit better please denzie.
You are Peabea..nowun...foogus..doola..helena...and banned
Quote from: ice789 on Jun 02, 09:05 AM 2016
progression
lose +1
win -1
stop at remain 4 number bet
i come from thailand
cannot speak english
win remove number
at 4 number reset
......test......
Sawasdee krap ;)
Quote from: The General on Jun 02, 11:25 AM 2016
Well then, show us how wonderful it is on the multiplayer game linked to this forum.
Miss General.... I've got better things to do then play hours for free...read again. ..I'm not saying it's a hg or something. ....just saying those are my results. Pretty easy to understand right ? Now back the f**k off .
As peabea and his/her multiple accounts. ..
flat is one bet after each trigger. 1u always.
1-2 , 1-2-4 , 1-2-4-8 is 3 types of progression tested on the same numbers
Quote from: Turner on Jun 02, 12:04 PM 2016
You are Peabea..nowun...foogus..doola..helena...and banned
Surely mentally ill
Especially with pretending to be helena
Geez there's some weirdos in this world. :question:
Quote from: denzie on Jun 02, 12:09 PM 2016
Sawasdee krap ;)
Btw gambling is illegal in Thailand. My wife is thai. So I know a loooot about your country :thumbsup:
Seen most of it too
Well, well, Denzie, exotic, nice... :thumbsup:
Quote from: The General on Jun 02, 11:25 AM 2016
Well then, show us how wonderful it is on the multiplayer game linked to this forum.
Are you ever going to go away?
Quote from: NextYear on Jun 02, 01:46 PM 2016
Well, well, Denzie, exotic, nice... :thumbsup:
:twisted:
Winkel...I see you looking. You can always give your thoughts. Good or bad. I'll appreciate them for sure. You did millions so I could be just lucky.
Thx in advance
Hi denzie - been testing this one and I like it - good results on Celtic euro wheel - flat betting is a drag but I play grassroots 1 - 2 - 3 whilst collecting the spin results - thanks for sharing.
Nick
Thx for the reply. Yes I know flat is a grind. I think 99% would say pfff...next system pls. That's why I said better to test in wiesbaden or so.
I look at it with 1000 sessions results (40000 spins). Then we know it will be wurth our time. And of course our unitsize should be high enough. Especially on flat. Although 4450 units profit flat with 1u bets...at 10 or more it would wake some people up :twisted:
But it's not gonna be popular method. To boring. We need a 1k in 1 hour method :P
Greed will bust most of the systems on this forum - give me small regular wins every time!
Nick
Hi Denzie
Thks recently for your message you sent.
Just referring more on this.
You play one table straight then and dont move to another table to collect some spin history to speed up play.
You mentioned GUT etc and studying crosses etc. With this method you're betting on whatever the conditions/pattern looks like.? Literally when you get the 20,19,18,17 numbers left.
You favour any preferred progression then.
Quote from: denzie on Jun 03, 08:07 AM 2016
Thx for the reply. Yes I know flat is a grind. I think 99% would say pfff...next system pls. That's why I said better to test in wiesbaden or so.
I look at it with 1000 sessions results (40000 spins). Then we know it will be wurth our time. And of course our unitsize should be high enough. Especially on flat. Although 4450 units profit flat with 1u bets...at 10 or more it would wake some people up :twisted:
But it's not gonna be popular method. To boring. We need a 1k in 1 hour method :P
The most important is 40 spin cycle. Testing showed that stay on the same wheel wins more . (Perhaps in the long run it doesn't matter).
About conditions/patterns/trot.....if you done a lot of sessions you will see you can't trust that. So yep....those are the triggers no matter what.
I favor the 1-2 with a lot of coffee. ^-^
Once more...test 1000 sessions virtual in wiesbaden or personal data. ... otherwise you will give up. You need to see the profits.
And calculate correct of course. Each step gives different profit/loss
One more thing. ... about "jump"....
I tried that too...waiting till our bets are done and then jump back to when I got 17 unique again (betting non stop). That just isn't the same unfortunately :(
So best results. ...same wheel continuously per 40 spins
Thanks Denzie,
Thanks for the reply.
It doesn't matter what I try these days I just end up starting from the beginning again. Generally worse off. (well that's fact lol)
Maybe roulette isn't for me.
Tested this but still I see the same things. Win some then lose. You either get a good start with this and slowly increase and hopefully don't look back.
Just seems that those repeaters just keep popping up.
Denzie you are obviously a hardcore Roulette player. You any advice on a preferred system or is that literally this one. :-))
Im getting to the point of pulling out completely. Sorry for the rant.
Cheers
Quote from: denzie on Jun 03, 11:18 AM 2016
The most important is 40 spin cycle. Testing showed that stay on the same wheel wins more . (Perhaps in the long run it doesn't matter).
About conditions/patterns/trot.....if you done a lot of sessions you will see you can't trust that. So yep....those are the triggers no matter what.
I favor the 1-2 with a lot of coffee. ^-^
Once more...test 1000 sessions virtual in wiesbaden or personal data. ... otherwise you will give up. You need to see the profits.
And calculate correct of course. Each step gives different profit/loss
Quote from: denzie on Jun 02, 06:19 AM 2016
While testing GUT I've tested about all crossings. Even the ones that aren't selected as good ones. So....after testing +3000 sessions in wiesbaden and +1000 real played sessions. ....
I play in 40 spin cycles. Each time a number is spun I cross it off . I keep doing this till I crossed of 17 numbers. (20 remaining). Now I bet the 20 numbers with 1unit. Win? We now got 18 nrs crossed off. So bet the 19 remaining with 1unit. Win ? We now got 19 numbers crossed off. Bet the remaining 18 with 1unit. Win? We now got 20 numbers crossed off. Bet the remaining 17 numbers with 1unit. Win ? Stop. Let the cycle finish till spin 40. Start it all again.
We use a 1-2 progression. So if we lost our 1unit bet ..we rebet with 2u. Lose again? Wait till we can cross off a new number.
Tracking can be done with pen and paper or the clicker.
Results of +1000 real sessions :
Flatbet each trigger : 4450 units
1-2 : 7800 units
1-2-4 : 12110 units
1-2-4-8 : 16000 units
Important it's done on the same wheel. Also I don't "jump" as you could getting in a losing streak.
Very boring though. ???
Is that your strategy in full? So you don't actually bet on crossings per se?
That's it.
Quote from: spartanrules on Jun 03, 11:27 AM 2016
Thanks Denzie,
Tested this but still I see the same things. Win some then lose. You either get a good start with this and slowly increase and hopefully don't look back.
Just seems that those repeaters just keep popping up.
Cheers
How many sessions you've done ? (40spins)
Around 30 so far.
Basically stopped at the mo to re asess.
Suppose im just unlucky with roulette. You will most probably say i need a lot more sessions under my belt that i can appreciate it, though after seeing the old BR get lower and lower with those repeaters i stopped.
Its difficult with any system, basically how many hits can you take. I was looking at maybe upping the progression as often it hit after the second bet, but again that could lead to more loss for me.
Like i mentioned i must be unkikely with it all i guess. Oh i was using live wheels online at William hill if interested. Tried immersive but god is that slow.
Quote from: denzie on Jun 03, 02:59 PM 2016
How many sessions you've done ? (40spins)
Yes you need more sessions. I've saw more than 50 sessions where my br didn't move a muscle. Win..lose..win...lose...etc....
That's why I say....test in wiesbaden!
Testing goes much faster and you don't need to worry about your br.
Playing this real would made most of us give up. ...unless you tested a ton of sessions and your confident it wins.
Btw your reply comes really late. I saw you posting yesterday and it's just delivered now :o
FYI .... 10r in a row is most I've seen so far. Just thought I mention it.
Have a good Sunday yall
Reply 3 Westspiel casino real roulette spins
spins 21 -41
FYI....RaymanZ coded it and said it loses horrible. So pls be carefully. I could be just lucky. Although writing sessions down will let you see what Falkor just noticed.
If you would try it.... 17...18...19...20...don't stop here...21...22...........
:thumbsup:
The difficulty is how to use that info and how to bet....
Flat once?
Flat twice?
1-2
1-2-4
1-2-4-8
8 step progression ?
wait virtual loss?
2 virtual losses?
.....
well you see Jackpot avg sheet
we see avg to hit is 2 spins up to the 19th non-hit, then avg to hit is 3 spins upto 26th non-hit.
Now the ?
If you bet twice and lose, note the losing non-hit, do you bet again 1,2 or do you move up on the prog,in the next game, how many times will that non-hit miss for
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 08, 09:07 AM 2016
Now the ?
If you bet twice and lose, note the losing non-hit, do you bet again 1,2 or do you move up on the prog,in the next game, how many times will that non-hit miss for
I know you know >:D
Not forgotten Den,just busy with sector 11
last update...
we only use 18-19-20
maximum 2 bets(if our first bet lost)
1-1 flatbets
so we got 18 uniques..now bet the remaining 19 with 1 unit.
win? we now got 19 uniques. bet the remaining 18 with 1 unit.
win? we now got 20 uniques. bet the remaining 17 with 1 unit.
win? jump/reset
on each step if our bet lost then we bet the same unit again.
comes out winning
use the clicker for easy play :thumbsup:
Have you tried laying at a B+M, No clicker there, but i go down column 1, up column2 and come back down column 3, quiet easy when you've done it thousands of times, just keep calm as you place the units, as your there for more than 40 spins your subconscious mind will help in laying, just keep saying to yourselves the non-hit that are left as they get hit.
Yes 17,18,19,20 is good :thumbsup:
Den try these from multi player up to 19 then up to 27 then 30, I stopped at spin 40. these just played a few minutes ago
1 28
2 17
3 21
4 7
5 17
6 3
7 35
8 34
9 16
10 9
11 0
12 8
13 20
14 32
15 27
16 16
17 17
18 14
19 5
20 24
21 12
22 1
23 27
24 36
25 0
26 31
27 25
28 26
29 12
30 30
31 0
32 14
33 21
34 21
35 27
36 4
37 12
38 10
39 12
40 8
Target +/- 50 right?
yes or smaller, perhaps watch how they come too tell you if to take the smaller win
Anyone tried the update already ?
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 14, 08:30 AM 2016
Den try these from multi player up to 19 then up to 27 then 30, I stopped at spin 40. these just played a few minutes ago
1 28
2 17
3 21
4 7
5 17
6 3
7 35
8 34
9 16
10 9
11 0
12 8
13 20
14 32
15 27
16 16
17 17
18 14
19 5
20 24
21 12
22 1
23 27
24 36
25 0
26 31
27 25
28 26
29 12
30 30
31 0
32 14
33 21
34 21
35 27
36 4
37 12
38 10
39 12
40 8
just looked briefly....the ktf tweak did very good
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 14, 05:13 AM 2016
Have you tried laying at a B+M, No clicker there, but i go down column 1, up column2 and come back down column 3, quiet easy when you've done it thousands of times, just keep calm as you place the units, as your there for more than 40 spins your subconscious mind will help in laying, just keep saying to yourselves the non-hit that are left as they get hit.
Yes 17,18,19,20 is good :thumbsup:
no just online and on the airball....both are easy to place the chips
Quote from: denzie on Jun 21, 03:52 PM 2016
just looked briefly....the ktf tweak did very good
This ktf tweak sounds good. What is it can you give a better example?
It's hard to tell what you talk about with just saying the KTF tweak.
Thanks in advance!
- Tuddilue
Quote from: tuddilue on Jun 22, 04:06 AM 2016
This ktf tweak sounds good. What is it can you give a better example?
It's hard to tell what you talk about with just saying the KTF tweak.
Thanks in advance!
- Tuddilue
I'll let Notto handle this one. It's not my method so I let the author explain. Hopefully in the ktf thread :P
Here it's about 18/19/20 unique with flat bets. Hope you understand.
Btw tonight....I'm guessing. ... 1-3
Quote from: denzie on Jun 22, 04:34 AM 2016
Here it's about 18/19/20 unique with flat bets. Hope you understand.
Btw tonight....I'm guessing. ... 1-3
?? :question: :twisted:
Its been tweaked a bit. You have questions?
Shoot
Just commented your own digression.... ;D
Quote from: denzie on Jun 22, 04:34 AM 2016
I'll let Notto handle this one. It's not my method so I let the author explain. Hopefully in the ktf thread :P
Here it's about 18/19/20 unique with flat bets. Hope you understand.
Btw tonight....I'm guessing. ... 1-3
Ok Thanks denzie!
Interesting was this tweak is. Hope nottophammer will post it.
Thanks.
- Tuddilue
Sure he will. He's a good guy.
Quote from: denzie on Jun 22, 04:58 AM 2016
Sure he will. He's a good guy.
Yes of course! Posted a question in the wright place.
- Tuddilue