Denzie?!?!
1. 36
2. 28
3. 34
4. 14
5. 34 start betting 34
6. 0
7. 14 start betting 14 and 34
8. 1
9. 32
10. 31
11. 27
12. 25
13. 24
14. 27 start betting 27, 34, and 14
15. 11
16. 33
17. 3
18. 25 25, 27, 34, 14
19. 5
20. 30
21. 3 3, 25, 27, 34, 14
22. 15
23. 27 heres our 3rd hit (27)
24. 15
25. 27
26. 31
27. 19
28. 3
29. 27
30. 35
31. 20
32. 6
33. 7
34. 4
35. 16
36. 33
37. 16
38. 3
39. 30
40. 31
41. 7
42. 12
43. 23
44. 7 start betting 7
45. 2
46. 29
47. 15
48. 23 7, 23
49. 9
50. 32
51. 21
52. 27
53. 2 7, 23, 2
54. 33
55. 12 7, 23, 2, 12
56. 9 9, 7, 23, 2, 12
57. 19
58. 31 31, 9, 7, 23, 2, 12
59. 15 15, 9, 31, 7, 23, 2, 12
60. 13
61. 12 3rd hit right here
62. 11
63. 12
64. 19
65. 29
66. 34
67. 30
68. 19
69. 25
70. 27
71. 18
72. 1
73. 30
74. 30
75. 22
1. 00
2. 33
3. 11
4. 31
5. 12
6. 14
7. 10
8. 5
9. 15
10. 36
11. 34
12. 0
13. 30
14. 22
15. 33 33
16. 18
17. 33 3rd hit
18. 9
19. 10
20. 17
21. 24
22. 2
23. 14
24. 30
25. 27
26. 2
27. 18
28. 18
29. 21
30. 26
31. 13
32. 11
33. 22
34. 24
35. 14
36. 00
37. 18
38. 25
39. 6
40. 0
41. 5
42. 0 0
43. 26
44. 21
45. 25 0, 25
46. 15
47. 10
48. 4
49. 24
50. 24 24, 0, 25
51. 2
52. 4 4, 24, 0, 25
53. 00
54. 25 3rd hit
55. 24
56. 14
57. 1
58. 12
59. 12
60. 24
61. 23
62. 29
63. 20
64. 35
65. 1
66. 36
67. 5
68. 13
69. 22
70. 00
71. 9
72. 20
73. 1
74. 28
75. 14
1. 24
2. 31
3. 32
4. 21
5. 1
6. 12
7. 16
8. 00
9. 32 32
10. 13
11. 3
12. 29
13. 23
14. 0
15. 29
16. 36
17. 1 1, 32
18. 31 1, 32, 31
19. 22
20. 19
21. 24 24, 1, 32, 31
22. 0 0, 24, 1, 32, 31
23. 9
24. 12 12, 0, 24, 1, 32, 31
25. 32 3rd hit
26. 10
27. 36
28. 9
29. 17
30. 27
31. 2
32. 1
33. 34
34. 22
35. 0
36. 14
37. 13
Hey RG, based on your number samples, the 3rd hit seems to come shortly after there have been 4 numbers to repeat. Got me thinking if we wait on 4 repeats to start betting, might be a good time so the progressions don't get too high
not a bad thing scarface
the guys that put themselves above the silly system players are playing the hot number things
so something to look at
The trick is when to drop a number or reset. If you play the TG way and some numbers are semi hot or really hot your br shoots sky high. But those sessions that can't get ahead. ....better to run away from those asap. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Scarface on Sep 14, 08:32 PM 2016
Hey RG, based on your number samples, the 3rd hit seems to come shortly after there have been 4 numbers to repeat. Got me thinking if we wait on 4 repeats to start betting, might be a good time so the progressions don't get too high
You can see on old Gut sheets posted that a 2 hit becomes a 3 hit usually after spin 20.
Forget the 1998 total thats for something else. #35, theres more but not looked at the cost
1 5 37 1998
2 35 36 1998
3 20 35 1998
4 12 34 1998
5 18 33 1998
6 35 R 32 1998 35
7 34 32 1998
8 25 31 1998
9 10 30 1998
10 21 29 1998
11 35 R 28 1 -28 -28 1998 35
12 19 28 2 16 -12 1998
13 5 R 27 1 -27 -39 1998
14 4 27 2 18 -21 1998
15 6 26 1 10 -11 1998
16 24 25 1 11 0 1998
17 19 R 24 1 -24 -24 1998
18 13 24 2 24 0 1998
19 20 R 23 1 -23 -23 1998
20 12 R 23 2 -46 -69 1998
21 18 R 23 3 -69 -138 1998
22 32 23 4 52 -86 1998
23 27 22 3 42 -44 1998
24 15 21 2 30 -14 1998
25 33 20 1 16 2 1998
26 9 19 1 17 19 1998
27 28 18 1 18 37 1998
28 0 17 1 19 56 1998
29 31 16 1 20 56 1998
30 4 R 15 1 -15 56 1998
31 18 R 15 2 -30 56 1998
32 6 R 15 3 -45 56 1998
33 4 R 15 4 -60 56 1998
34 9 R 15 5 -75 56 1998
35 32 R 15 6 -90 56 1998
36 4 R 15 7 -105 56 1998
37 11 15 8 168 56 1998
What are we looking exactly at the table notto....? :o :o
It feels nice to really KNOW something
WE KNOW 99.9 percent of the time a repeat number will have a third hit
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 15, 07:12 AM 2016
It feels nice to really KNOW something
WE KNOW 99.9 percent of the time a repeat number will have a third hit
Is this all flat-betting?
also a number can go for hundreds of spins w/o a hit.
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Sep 15, 06:15 AM 2016
What are we looking exactly at the table notto....? :o :o
The reply to Scarface about after spin 20, so this was quick spin 11, +31
But after spin 20, the 18, then the 4 and again the 4, after 20th spin.
TG waa nice enough to post a cool video showing that even random can be predictable
Its about a 20 minute video so not for the low attention span peeps. Scroll ahead if you want
This 3rd repeat is just one of those things in this random game that is going to happen
About what proof said
Flat betting works if you go for the 4th and 5th hit i believe
Negative progressions are taboo but to each their own i dont see why not
I do not take credit for any of this
Reporting what i have been reading
If we can brainstorm a trigger of when to begin betting for repeats or a "safe" progression?
i asked cuz its the same thread with the same stuff and video.... 1 thread is enough.
so we can continue here :thumbsup:
Sry denzie didnt notice u had the video to
I need to read more
TG said add a unit on a hit....after 37spins substract a unit on all our numbers.....
So just tried a session a bit different...
the first hit on a number i put 2units. after that only 1 unit...why?
Coz we get many numbers that hit above average and the ones that fall off our list for the next cycle start to hit more and no chip on it
first session played here... +200 ;)
Track each number individual. (#5 hits...start counting 37 spins for that #. It hits again after 21spins.Now we bet5. Start counting 37 spins again. Till it stops hitting within the cycle. ......and this for every number ) That requires a tracker :o
But it should keep you on the hotties all the time. Or I'm thinking wrong here ?
(Thx to Ray)
Nothing wrong with being all over hotties
Might be as close to a HG as you are going to get without a bias
The 4s that become 5s are outnumbered by the 3s that become 4s which are then outnumbered by the 2s that become 3s. The 2s may not necessarily be the best bet (too many chips).
"If we jsut wait for any number to be ABOVE expected (once every 37 spins) then you can bet any number that has been shown 2 times within 37 spins, any number that is shown 3 times within 74 spins (2*37 spin cycle), any number that is shown 4 times withinh 111 (37*3)etc.
From BellagioOwner
Now it's all here
Quote from: denzie on Sep 16, 01:04 AM 2016
"If we jsut wait for any number to be ABOVE expected (once every 37 spins) then you can bet any number that has been shown 2 times within 37 spins, any number that is shown 3 times within 74 spins (2*37 spin cycle), any number that is shown 4 times withinh 111 (37*3)etc.
From BellagioOwner
Now it's all here
No I do not think all is here. The Above Average is another thread with 4 pages of different comments and replies. For example my own...
So no deleting one thread and thinking that all is here is wrong...
- Tuddilue
Quote from: denzie on Sep 15, 12:35 PM 2016Track each number individual. (#5 hits...start counting 37 spins for that #. It hits again after 21spins.Now we bet5. Start counting 37 spins again. Till it stops hitting within the cycle. ......and this for every number )
I like this approach. I'll check it out. It needs less bets than counting and adding up 37 cycles. This was leading me many times to 7-9 bets from the very start which was a problem.
Well it was falling out the sky, so thought id' pop in a ladbrokes and give this a whirl.
Made £6 for .25p units,could have been more,but i missed the 23 that came after 9,on sheet 1, you can see i didn't mark it,till it hit on spin 25. Also lost £3 to the 2 zeros at spins 10 and 18
Just bet the singles. Going for 2s.
You are bound to win
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RG
You are where I was 4 years ago
Remember.
You have learned how to stay in the game longer. Nothing else.
Im not trying to piss on your chips (fries)
Its a quaint english saying
Don't worry
Won't be relying on roulette to pay my mortgage anytime soon
Denzie i believe is going after a good thing
Theres a profitable future with these repeats that are happening
Quote from: denzie on Sep 16, 01:04 AM 2016
"If we jsut wait for any number to be ABOVE expected (once every 37 spins) then you can bet any number that has been shown 2 times within 37 spins, any number that is shown 3 times within 74 spins (2*37 spin cycle), any number that is shown 4 times withinh 111 (37*3)etc.
From BellagioOwner
Now it's all here
From what I recall, too many numbers hit 2 times in 37 spins and only a few will hit a third time in 74 spins. Of the latter, about half will hit a fourth time. The best bet seem the 3s to become 4s or even 4s to become 5s. Less numbers to bet. It requires more tracking (at least 148 spins - 37*4), but at least you get a larger sample to work on what´s hitting above average. The Pelayos needed about 2000 spins to find a bias. I´m not saying you guys should go AP or nothing (although you should) , but this method looks like a step in the right direction.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 16, 02:07 PM 2016
Im not trying to piss on your chips (fries)
Its a quaint english saying
Similar american saying:
Don't want to "piss on your parade"
Just go for SD3. Google that. I made a small mixup with the word "sample". The Pelayos used that sample of 2000 spins to bet any time of the day. Lengthy but it´s got the edge. This method tries to catch up numbers that get hot for a brief time. Immediate, but lacks edge. I say they´re part of the same thing. GoPro.
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Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 16, 03:58 PM 2016
fish and chips with piss on though....its never gonna turn out well
Quote from: psimoes on Sep 16, 03:52 PM 2016
From what I recall, too many numbers hit 2 times in 37 spins and only a few will hit a third time in 74 spins. Of the latter, about half will hit a fourth time. The best bet seem the 3s to become 4s or even 4s to become 5s. Less numbers to bet. looks like a step in the right direction.
Good job :thumbsup:
Those in the know could shed a light on what Standard Deviation 3 means. I´ve heard about it...
Quote from: psimoes on Sep 16, 04:33 PM 2016
Those in the know could shed a light on what Standard Deviation 3 means. I´ve heard about it...
Std. Deviation: The abbreviation for standard deviation which calculates the measurement of the statistical dispersion, how spread out values are in a data set for all roulette layouts. Thats a quote from RX help. RX help is a brilliant maths textbook believe it or not, with a real time GUI to try numbers out and see SD in action
Best way to learn
SD3 is a measure of how far a certain group or individual number has deviated from the average or expected value
So number 1 appears 4 times in 37. It has a SD of around 3. It was expected to hit once (mean is 1)
#1 hitting 6 times in 37 spins is more like SD5
Its "hot" as they say, or "hitting above expectation"
Hope that helps
Of course, the average over time is for all numbers to appear the same
note:
A rough rule of thumb would say that numbers in 37 have an SD = 1 number less than the times they have hit
hit once....SD 0
hit twice....SD 1
hit three....SD 2
hit four......SD3 etc
Dont forget hitting below expectation or "cold"
a number which hasnt hit in 37 is SD -1
SD3 is a point where generally, we expect a return to mean or a fall back to 0
Its like pushing against elastic
Thats just probability and statistics. SD 4 is more rare than 3 etc
often enought SD will grow or hover at SD3.
:thumbsup: Many thanks for that.
Quote from: psimoes on Sep 16, 07:11 PM 2016
:thumbsup: Many thanks for that.
No problem
Its not shrouded in mystery
Its like someone saying the wind is 25 knots and someone saying its very windy.
Same thing
Quote from: Turner on Sep 16, 06:42 PM 2016SD3 is a point where generally, we expect a return to mean or a fall back to 0
Agree. Since on SD3 we have reached the 99.7 part of the 68-95-99.7 rule. Which means 99.7% of the results will fall between +/- 3 SD from the mean.
So does this means that if a number has been hit 4 times within 37 spins (SD3) we should stop betting it even though is too hot because now we expect it to return to the mean so we expect it not to hit again or not so often? What you think guys?
Bellagio
I think so.
If you are relying on the maths I suppose you should be taking notice of it.
2s going to 3s is obviously more likely than 3s going to 4s and 5s
Still....how do we know wihich ones?
clearly 1s are better candidates than 0s if this is the logic one is following
We know 2s will go to 3s
So why not be aggressive
Flat bet until youd break even then increase 1 unit per position
We are not talking a heavy progression
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 17, 08:07 AM 2016
We know 2s will go to 3s
Fact. But when ? In 1 spin or 10 ,15 ....
So why not be aggressive
Because you will lose
Flat bet until youd break even then increase 1 unit per position
And if you can't get break even ?
We are not talking a heavy progression
:thumbsup:
Yes denzie i agree
We do not know when
However if a 2 does not go to 3 in this cycle it will in the next cycle. Take that to the bank
When betting only a few numbers a progression is very minor we are talking increasing one unit here and there. No marty.
Adding a chip should not hurt anyone
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 17, 12:36 PM 2016
However if a 2 does not go to 3 in this cycle it will in the next cycle. Take that to the bank
Ok fair enough. Let's look at this....how many numbers we got then with 2hits ?
Adding a chip should not hurt anyone
It did hurt my br a lot (lol)
Happy to see someone still interesting here..
Hey everyone
Im at my friends 30th birthday
Brewery tour
Im drunk.
Roulette has to wait
Can i jizz on my own post?!
Quote from: Turner on Sep 16, 06:42 PM 2016RX help is a brilliant maths textbook believe it or not, with a real time GUI to try numbers out and see SD in action
Turbo said at the MPR that he used RX to find in real-time which numbers were hitting above average. Now I know it was the SD GUI.
My license has long since expired.
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Sep 16, 08:27 PM 2016So does this means that if a number has been hit 4 times within 37 spins (SD3) we should stop betting it even though is too hot because now we expect it to return to the mean so we expect it not to hit again or not so often? What you think guys?
Well, hot numbers won´t stay hot forever... unless there´s a bias.
Adding a chip should not hurt anyone
It did hurt my br a lot (lol) >> 10000000000000% correct.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 17, 03:05 PM 2016
Adding a chip should not hurt anyone
It did hurt my br a lot (lol) >> 10000000000000% correct.
Ken
FLATBET have no special benefits, drawdowns can be as bad as playing with progression Flatbet, only it takes longer time to play...with a decent betselection (hotnumbers) progression can be used. IF you have the proper moneymanagement with stoploss and wingoal, it's all the same (risk of losing is NOT less Flatbet)....
Quote from: ignatus on Sep 17, 03:10 PM 2016
FLATBET have no special benefits, drawdowns can be as bad as playing with progression Flatbet, only it takes longer time to play...with a decent betselection (hotnumbers) progression can be used. IF you have the proper moneymanagement with stoploss and wingoal, it's all the same (risk of losing is NOT less Flatbet)....
If you say so ....
Maybe your right, maybe not....
One thing is for sure....I'm still learning and testing :thumbsup:
Another thing is for sure....you're not moving up with your systems. I do respect your drive to keep going. But try going in the right direction ;)