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Title: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 12:29 AM 2011
i was going to ask what is the perfect system, there isnt one.

for me my system is the perfect one, i know how it works and what to expect.

i wouldnt use any system on this forum or any other forum cause they wont work, my system won 14 sessions out of 15, thats pretty damn good.

but its a little random and you need to know what to look for.

its not a hard system but very hard to teach it as it really has no rules, its all govern by thinking and it changes, not so much the system but little things.

anyway apart from my system, i dont think anything is perfect for me.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: VLS on Feb 17, 01:04 AM 2011
Welcome to the forum Darryn,

The perfect system is that which makes more money than it loses.

Notice I do not say "the one which never loses" (oh boy, that would be... perfect!).

Given we assume that reality, there are for sure some parameters in the "path of perfection" for a system:

- The session bankroll must be realistic.

Methods which use an astronomical session bankroll, ideally faring the best with a virtually unlimited bank should be discarded.

- As per the above, the drawdowns should be surmountable.

I have seen methods labelled as winners with 5-figure numbers as drawdowns (yes, like 25,000 or 50,000+ units down before recouping). Those methods may sound good on paper, but are unplayable in real life.

- The length of the session should be humanly playable.

I remember a fellow player who said: "your goal should be to live FROM the casino, not to live IN the casino".

I don't think many people is willing to spend the whole day at the casino.

Even a bot is better to use shorter sessions, which allow for frequent human evaluation of software conditions rather than supremely long sessions which are more prone to connection/casino/memory errors.

- The won-to-lost session ratio needs to be rationale.

Ideally, 1 to 1 being the break-even point; a better ratio even better.

Also, nobody would use a "winning system" which takes 100+ winning sessions to recoup a single loss.

- Preferably the base bet should be a flat bet.

The most perfect system is getting the flat betting positive edge over the game.

- Should be able to compound profits inter-session.

This may sound like a paradox after the flat-bet point above, but in reality it's not.

While the flat bet can be seen as the motor which puts the engine in march, you want to increase your base unit over time to really be able to maximize positive runs and decrease it situationally to minimize the impact of negative runs.

If you are using a progression up to table maximum as your base bet, you will not be able to compound your unit as winning sessions stack, which in turn negates the possibility to win more when winning steadily and losing less on concatenated -or close- losses.




Thanks again for being around.

Your friend,
Victor
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 01:41 AM 2011
cheers for that victor,

my bankroll is $100 so thats realistic.

if i get a draw down which was once, i would say game over lol no more money.

my sessions take about an hour, 60 spins and i also played it live and rng.

both profited.

well its a 50/50 in the loss and win ratio so i guess thats 1 win to 2-3 loses to break even (depending on how many numbers im covering).

mine is flat betting for about 2 or 3 times then i use a progression to get my money back, but you realy dont see wins far from a loss so it makes the progression safe to use and not a big progression either. 

so yeah it makes profit at the end of the session and has only ever loss once and on average it makes 140% of the bankroll.

so i agree with what you say victor.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: GLC on Feb 17, 08:50 AM 2011
Quote from: darrynf on Feb 17, 12:29 AM 2011
I was going to ask what is the perfect system, there isnt one.

for me my system is the perfect one, I know how it works and what to expect.

i wouldnt use any system on this forum or any other forum cause they wont work, my system won 14 sessions out of 15, that's pretty darn good.

but its a little random and you need to know what to look for.

its not a hard system but very hard to teach it as it really has no rules, its all govern by thinking and it changes, not so much the system but little things.

anyway apart from my system, I don't think anything is perfect for me.

I feel that I must caution you that 14 wins out of 15 sessions makes your system at least a possible long term winner.  But, 15 hours at the table is such a short time that anything can happen.  I've put in way more than that playing a 7 step limited martingale on the even chances and am killing them.  I know that it is luck and even though I have published the system on this forum, I also caution that it is not a system you can expect to win like I have.

Be wary with your system also.

Have you considered sharing it with the rest of the forum.  We can help test it.  Maybe for 100's of hours worth of results.  If it has an Achilles heel, we'll find it and maybe save you a rude awakening one day.  If it's sound, you can continue to win with confidence.  Plus, you will help us out also.

Like others have said, this is a sharing community.

Regards,

George
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: reincarnation on Feb 17, 09:12 AM 2011
Now that we know "what" a perfect system looks like, do we also get to know "how" the system works? Or is it strictly confidential?
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: winkel on Feb 17, 09:22 AM 2011
Quote from: darrynf on Feb 17, 01:41 AM 2011
my sessions take about an hour, 60 spins and I also played it live and rng.

....
well its a 50/50 in the loss and win ratio so I guess that's 1 win to 2-3 loses to break even (depending on how many numbers I'm covering).

mine is flat betting for about 2 or 3 times then I use a progression to get my money back, but you realy don't see wins far from a loss so it makes the progression safe to use and not a big progression either. 

so yeah it makes profit at the end of the session and has only ever loss once and on average it makes 140% of the bankroll.

so I agree with what you say Victor.


This shows that you donÃ,´t have any knowledge of Roulette.

60 Spins in one hour? I have never seen this in a BM-Casino

a 50/50 win/loss ratio and 14 wins of 15 sessions is a new math-experience

If you need to use a progression it is absolutely not safe. otherwise you could bet flatbets.

140% win of bankroll in a session: everybody knows that the win-ratio is related to the amount of the bet-sum

Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 02:55 PM 2011
i guess i deserve that winkel.

ill explain alittle better:

i have never been in a real casino, i have bet online, rng and live wheels. so i can easily do 60 spins in and hour.

remember i said sessions not spins, its a 50/50 on average with my wins and losses but i use a light progression to boost my percentage up 90%+, also dependent on the numbers im covering but thats why i always have a profit after a session (except one).

my system uses both flat bets and progression, it makes it far better as the progression is very light.if im covering 18 numbers then its flat betting but this dosent happen to much, its alittle depentent in whats happening with the pattern.

again on average my win is 140% of bank roll in a session. you have to think with my system, its a little random but at the same time its not.

its all inside bets and it is a new system i came up with a couple of months ago so i dont explain it in forums as it has no rules and i gues you could say its like flipping a coin, i have told 2 people not on here but they dont get it.

you need to know roulette pretty well to understand it
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 02:56 PM 2011
sorry winkel i may have come on a little thick last night.

herd you were well respected around here so i wont be rude anymore, sorry about that mate.
to use to the other forum.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 03:01 PM 2011
i never brought this thread up to tell you about my system, just that for me this is the best system, i have played a few but they tend to fall on there ass.

so sorry every body if you thought i was going to tell you.

im not going to tell my system cause its hard to manage, i like it cause it suits my style of play.

what i will say is its based on new numbers and repeating numbers from 30 spins and always changing the numbers in that 30 spins, if enough understand what im saying then i may say more but this is the main trick to it and a pattern to see which is hitting the most and least.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: chrisbis on Feb 17, 03:16 PM 2011
Quote from: winkel on Feb 17, 09:22 AM 2011
This shows that you donÃ,´t have any knowledge of Roulette.

60 Spins in one hour? I have never seen this in a BM-Casino

a 50/50 win/loss ratio and 14 wins of 15 sessions is a new math-experience

If you need to use a progression it is absolutely not safe. otherwise you could bet flatbets.

140% win of bankroll in a session: everybody knows that the win-ratio is related to the amount of the bet-sum

With the greatest of respect Br Winkel, I think HIS (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/what-is-the-perfect-system/msg38109/#msg38109) posting shows that he HAS got the knowledge HE requires to win enough at Roulette.

He may or may-not have the "Perfect" system, but from HIS standpoint, at this moment in time- it must look pretty perfect indeed.

In all seriousness, till we see Darrynf's bet, chip placement, timing, bet location, progression status, length of draw-downs, and the payout on the bet, -"WHEN IT WINS", then really we're all in the blind here.

Proof in the Pudding as the old adage goes.  :lol:

So, I think it wise for us all to await the Topic moderators explanation, of HIS perfect bet.

I pass the baton to U Darry......................................
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: chrisbis on Feb 17, 03:21 PM 2011
Quote from: darrynf on Feb 17, 03:01 PM 2011
i never brought this thread up to tell you about my system, just that for me this is the best system, i have played a few but they tend to fall on there ass.

so sorry every body if you thought i was going to tell you.

im not going to tell my system cause its hard to manage, i like it cause it suits my style of play.

what i will say is its based on new numbers and repeating numbers from 30 spins and always changing the numbers in that 30 spins, if enough understand what im saying then i may say more but this is the main trick to it and a pattern to see which is hitting the most and least.

U should try Us Darry........................... "hard to manage", is this forum's middle name!!

If not then U could be rightly accused of gloating, and I'm sure U wouldn't want that!
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 03:24 PM 2011
Quote from: reincarnation on Feb 17, 09:12 AM 2011
Now that we know "what" a perfect system looks like, do we also get to know "how" the system works? Or is it strictly confidential?

i never said it was perfect for anyone, just me mate.
i know the pros and cons and how to deal with a bad session or a slow session, there are other factors to think about like how many numbers am i covering, so i take this many losses before i need to use a progression, how far apart the losses are from the wins, which pattern is more dominant, things like that.

people want a system that has rules so if they lose they can blame the system or method, mine has no rules, just a lot of thinking and i guess common sence, i dont think people will like my system as it can losse often. so i dont want people to lose there money and blame me. for me it works well cause i design it, i had no help so im proud of it and what i have achieved but it dosent mean everyone else will have the same results.

i guess some people will make it work and some wont, lots of tracking though
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: chrisbis on Feb 17, 03:26 PM 2011
Quote from: darrynf on Feb 17, 03:24 PM 2011
i never said it was perfect for anyone, just me mate..................
........................

i guess some people will make it work and some wont, lots of tracking though

Really try to share it buddie.

U could spark great thinking, side variations, and soooo much discussion.

(Just look what came from the Matrix posting, and THAT, started on another forum altogether!!)

U never know..............................
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: winkel on Feb 17, 03:28 PM 2011
Hi crisbis,

br = best regards; not part of my name

this guy picked up two of my threads last night just to tell me it is all rubbish Iwrote.

IÃ,´m allergic against new members telling everything is rubbish but their own system, but they wonÃ,´t explain because ........ (put in all the usual stuff they claim)

And then he comes up with "watching 30 numbers and then betting sleepers or favorites."

That doesnÃ,´t even make me laugh, it just makes me use the "Ignore-Button"

br
winkel



Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 03:28 PM 2011
cheers for that crisbis.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 03:29 PM 2011
I have been thinking lately of various systems, and had an idea of "comps" system which would help stand at table and get drunk for "free". One condition for such a system - it must be not much worse than flat betting. Math tells us, that lowest probability of ruin is if we flat bet even chance, probability of winning some more units is also low, of course, but it has very low variance and last long. Now sometimes happen, that it wins more than expected because of fluctuation. We can see some of those units as "free", and bet them aggresively with progression or on higher payout location. If lucky, it wins again and we might try to capitalise. If we lose it, then as nothing happened, and we continue flat betting EC.

I know, that even "removing" a few units from winning affects a game, because losing streaks are longer, but if we only bet higher payout locations with same unit, house edge will remain same, and only variance will increase slightly. In ideal case, at worst such a system would be like flat betting EC, while allowing for a crazy win. Also, if it occasionally won some more, it could bet really agressive with high stakes, and at worst just return to expected value of flat betting EC. Would such a system be perfect?

I would do it like "if concentration of hits in last x spins >= y" then bet z units with aggresive system, if it crosses a boundary -spins/37 and countinues to win and then start losing, revert back to EC when crossing -spins/37, thus avoiding some negative runs. Just a thought...
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 03:31 PM 2011
Quote from: winkel on Feb 17, 03:28 PM 2011
Hi crisbis,

br = best regards; not part of my name

this guy picked up two of my threads last night just to tell me it is all of not so much value Iwrote.

I´m allergic against new members telling everything is of not so much value but their own system, but they won´t explain because ........ (put in all the usual stuff they claim)

And then he comes up with "watching 30 numbers and then betting sleepers or favorites."

That doesn´t even make me laugh, it just makes me use the "Ignore-Button"

br
winkel

i said sorry to you winkel and I'm you that I was sorry, your ideas are very costly and I was wrong to put your system down.
i never said I bet sleepers or wait for something to happen.
but I understand that you are pissed at me.

i deserve that
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 03:34 PM 2011
hi mr ore,

have no idea what you are saying.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 03:40 PM 2011
Quote from: winkel on Feb 17, 03:28 PM 2011
Hi crisbis,

br = best regards; not part of my name

this guy picked up two of my threads last night just to tell me it is all of not so much value Iwrote.

IÃ,´m allergic against new members telling everything is of not so much value but their own system, but they wonÃ,´t explain because ........ (put in all the usual stuff they claim)

And then he comes up with "watching 30 numbers and then betting sleepers or favorites."

That doesnÃ,´t even make me laugh, it just makes me use the "Ignore-Button"

br
winkel


i dont watch 30 numbers i watch 30 spins, never bet sleepers and my system dosent fall into sleepers, it dosent relie on faverits either.

so im guesing you cant read either, i get why you are pissed but if you are going to start an arguement then get your facts right mate.

Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: winkel on Feb 17, 03:49 PM 2011
OK, I read it wrong but I will give you a chance:

here is a list of possilble Situations of
- non hit Numbers = 0
- once hit numbers = 1
- numbers that have hit more than once = >1

pls write next to the list what you would bet and I give you the results:

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11   25   1
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23   4   10
23   5   9
23   5   9
23   5   9
23   5   9
23   5   9
23   5   9
23   5   9
23   5   9
23   5   9
23   5   9
23   6   8
23   6   8
23   6   8
23   6   8
23   6   8
23   6   8
23   6   8
23   6   8
23   6   8
23   7   7
23   7   7
23   7   7
23   7   7
23   7   7
23   7   7
23   7   7
23   8   6
23   8   6
23   8   6
24   3   10
24   4   9
24   4   9
24   5   8
24   5   8
24   6   7
25   2   10
25   3   9

If you need the fovorites more extracted just tell me
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 03:54 PM 2011
Hi, I'm thinking of a system, which is never too far from flat betting, it means there are no holes, and only if lucky, then it can have some nice winnings. For example if you win a streak of 20 reds flat betting, then you take 8 from that and play another system with that, but if it loses, it does not matter much.

Example below - it is not that much worse than flat betting red, is it?
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 03:56 PM 2011
my system dosent work like that winkel, i need 30 randome numbers to begin with then you can drip feed me the numbers as i want them.

i dont go off faverits or hot or cold
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 03:59 PM 2011
Quote from: mr.ore on Feb 17, 03:54 PM 2011
Hi, I'm thinking of a system, which is never too far from flat betting, it means there are no holes, and only if lucky, then it can have some nice winnings. For example if you win a streak of 20 reds flat betting, then you take 8 from that and play another system with that, but if it loses, it does not matter much.

Example below - it is not that much worse than flat betting red, is it?


i try not to relie on luck as this can go both ways, the casino tends to be luckier
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 04:07 PM 2011
There are some numbers:

2
24
19
15
26
13
10
36
29
9
35
22
27
30
11
27
29
4
32
9
28
8
10
9
32
8
36
0
17
9
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 04:14 PM 2011
cheers mr ore,

i will sort them out soon, sometime today hopefully.

this is important, do you have the next 30 spins (dont put them on here yet), and all these are from the same session or table ?

Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 04:18 PM 2011
Yes, I have.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 04:19 PM 2011
i will take the next 5 spins, thankyou.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 04:26 PM 2011
Quote from: darrynf on Feb 17, 04:19 PM 2011
I will take the next 5 spins, thankyou.



I do this part to start the pattern or tracking whats hiting the most. not numbers though, repeats and new numbers.

just need the next 5 spins and i dont bet every spin either.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 04:29 PM 2011
make that 3 spins mate, im getting better with this
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 04:31 PM 2011
I will put them there one by one, then after that write your action for a next spin before I give you next spin, ok?

first number:

1
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 04:33 PM 2011
all good
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 04:36 PM 2011
35
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 04:41 PM 2011
i will bet

2,3,5,6,7,12,14,16,18,20,21,23,24,25,31,33,34

17 numbers at 1 unit
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 04:43 PM 2011
i also have a kid mate so after the next spin i will tell you what i will do then i will have to feed my daughter.

so it may be slow.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: winkel on Feb 17, 04:44 PM 2011
numbers are the 15 sleppers plus 2 and 24
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 04:45 PM 2011
im waiting for the next number mate
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 04:46 PM 2011
Quote from: winkel on Feb 17, 04:44 PM 2011
Numbers are the 15 sleppers plus 2 and 24

I told you i dont work of sleepers or anything hitting heaps
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 04:49 PM 2011
the numbers i chose were based on new numbers that havent hit in the 30 spin cycle.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 04:51 PM 2011
cant do much till i get my next number so i will check later
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: winkel on Feb 17, 04:51 PM 2011
That are the sleepers   :D
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 04:58 PM 2011
Quote from: winkel on Feb 17, 04:51 PM 2011
That are the sleepers   :D

what ever, keep out of the testing, i have my way of playing and you have you way.

the numbers change all the time so my next bet will be different after a win.

new numbers, spose you could see them sleep, repeats spose you can see them as hot numbers, what ever.
its how i play it and i will win this session to mate
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 05:01 PM 2011
15
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 05:06 PM 2011
loss 17,

will bet 1 unit on

2,3,5,6,7,12,14,16,18,19,20,21,23,24,25,31,33,34

normaly i dont like the numbers when they are this high but i will carry on.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 05:10 PM 2011
32
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 05:24 PM 2011
Loss 35

bet on numbers

2,3,5,6,7,12,14,16,18,19,20,21,23,24,25,31,33,34

18 numbers

sorry i forgot say 2 units per number, total 36 units
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 05:26 PM 2011
23
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 05:34 PM 2011
sorry mate i forgot to say it was two units per number.

win 72
b.r $101

the original b.r is 100

next bet is

1,4,8,9,10,11,13,15,17,22,23,27,28,29,30,32,35,36

im betting repeats now because the numbers are 18

1 unit on each number, sorry about the stuff up before, just saw it.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: winkel on Feb 17, 05:40 PM 2011
You donÃ,´t bet the Zero?

btw there are 19 "repeats and 18 non-hits
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 05:42 PM 2011
nope just regard it as a loss.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 05:43 PM 2011
31
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: winkel on Feb 17, 05:45 PM 2011
Quote from: darrynf on Feb 17, 05:42 PM 2011
Nope just regard it as a loss.

:ooh:
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 05:49 PM 2011
loss 18

bet numbers

2,4,8,9,10,11,15,17,22,23,27,28,29,30,33,34

1 unit each or $1 each
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: winkel on Feb 17, 05:52 PM 2011
can you explain this selection?
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 05:52 PM 2011
why so you can mock it ?

Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 05:53 PM 2011
17
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: winkel on Feb 17, 05:55 PM 2011
Quote from: darrynf on Feb 17, 05:52 PM 2011
Why so you can mock it ?



cause IÃ,´m open minded and interested.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 05:57 PM 2011
win no profit

b.r is 101

bet on @ $1 each number

2,3,5,6,7,12,13,14,16,18,19,20,21,24,25,26,33,34
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 06:00 PM 2011
Quote from: winkel on Feb 17, 05:55 PM 2011
cause IÃ,´m open minded and interested.

it follows a pattern and some gues work i will try and cover this later as im just doing this for now.
its still early but its not a bad session yet
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 06:02 PM 2011
9
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 06:07 PM 2011
loss 18

bet on

2 3 5 6 7 12 13 14 16 18 19 20 21 24 25 26 33 34

at $2 per number

total bet is 36
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 06:20 PM 2011
26
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 06:26 PM 2011
win +72

profit +18
b.r $119

i will bet

2,3,5,6,7,12,13,14,16,18,19,20,21,24,25,33,34

@ $1 per number
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 06:27 PM 2011
29
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 06:31 PM 2011
lose $17

bet on

2,3,5,6,7,12,13,14,16,18,19,20,21,24,25,33,34

@ $1

b.r $102
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 06:40 PM 2011
29
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 06:43 PM 2011
loss 17 +17 = 34

bet numbers

2,3,5,6,7,12,13,14,16,18,19,20,21,24,25,33,34

@$3 pernumber
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 06:57 PM 2011
24
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 07:01 PM 2011
Win 108

profit is $23

bankroll is $142

i wont be betting

ill take the next number
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 07:17 PM 2011
30
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 07:19 PM 2011
i wont be betting

next number please
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 07:20 PM 2011
30
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 07:23 PM 2011
bet

2,3,5,6,7,12,13,14,16,18,19,20,21,22,33,34

@$1 each number
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 07:27 PM 2011
21
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 07:29 PM 2011
win +36
profit is $20

b.r=$162

no betting
next number please
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 07:33 PM 2011
would just like to say we are half way through the session now.

15 spins have been done, profit of $62 in 15 spins.

another 15 spins to go or at least near 15, dependant on pattern that im tracking.

so far its a tipical session
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 07:36 PM 2011
2
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 07:38 PM 2011
no bets, next number please
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 07:40 PM 2011
the lowest i have made in a session was about $30 or just over.

the highest have made was about $210 in a session, all sessions are 60 spins or less.

thats my stop loss
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: furple on Feb 17, 07:52 PM 2011
Nice going there Darrynf. You get the wiggle of the nose from me. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 07:59 PM 2011
14
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 08:02 PM 2011
no bets next number please
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 08:03 PM 2011
Quote from: furple on Feb 17, 07:52 PM 2011
Nice going there Darrynf. You get the wiggle of the nose from me. :thumbsup:

cheers  :smile:
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 08:13 PM 2011
25
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 08:20 PM 2011
i will bet

3,5,6,7,11,12,13,16,18,19,20,22,27,33,34
@$1 per number
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 08:24 PM 2011
26
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 08:27 PM 2011
lost 15

no bets next number please
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 08:34 PM 2011
0
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 08:37 PM 2011
no bets, next number please
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 08:38 PM 2011
4
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 08:42 PM 2011
i will bet

3,5,6,7,11,12,13,16,18,19,20,22,27,33,34

at $1 per number
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 08:47 PM 2011
33
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 08:51 PM 2011
win +36
profit $6

b.r is $168

bet

3,5,6,7,11,12,13,16,18,19,20,22,27,34

@ $1 per number
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 09:00 PM 2011
23
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 09:06 PM 2011
loss 15

bet on

3,5,6,7,11,12,13,16,18,19,20,22,27,28,34

@ $2 per number
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 09:06 PM 2011
24
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 09:09 PM 2011
loss 15

bet @$3 per number

3,5,6,7,11,12,13,16,18,19,20,22,27,28,34
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 09:12 PM 2011
Loss 30

b.r at $138

- 45 for current bet.

$93 b.r
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 09:19 PM 2011
28
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 09:24 PM 2011
Win 108

profit $18

bankroll is $186

no bets, ending session.

25 spins with a profit of $86

86% of b.r

cheers for that mate but baby is getting grumpy.

Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: mr.ore on Feb 17, 09:32 PM 2011
It was a nice session :thumbsup: But seeing is not believing, you should explain more your method so that we can code and test. 30 spins does not prove anything, but you had some really nice catches. By the way numbers were from random.org, generated from atmospheric noise.
Title: Re: what is the perfect system
Post by: darrynf on Feb 17, 09:41 PM 2011
cool, one day i may put it on.

you cant code it, theres no way of knowing when to bet its more how you manage your money.
though in saying that it dose use a pattern mainly so i know whats hiting more, new number or repeating numbers.

people always talk about betting repeating numbers out of so many spins, i have no idea if they change the numbers, so if you get a new number then becomes apart of the block and is now a repeating number.
well why confine it to repeating numbers, why not new numbers as they have least numbers to bet on.
none of it is random in picking the numbers, just if a new number or a repeat will hit. thats the only random thing. so its like a e/c with better pay out when the numbers you are betting on is about 14 or less.