I briefly touched on this subject in the past. I think its a GREAT idea but not all 'rules' have been thought out yet, thats why its in this section.
This would be flat betting. If you watch the history board (the last 12 hit numbers), take a CLOSER look. Many, many times, we see a complete street has hit. I have messed around with this type of play (real money) and have kind of good results.
FOR EXAMPLE >> Lets say we have a 31 and a 33 hit in the last 12 spins. Bet on that 32 until either the 31 or 33 drops from the 12 last spins. Lets say a 32 does hit (win).....no more betting until either the 31 or 33 drops, then bet on that number. We are always looking for a COMPLETE street to have hit in a short period of time and it happens OFTEN.
We might be betting on more than one number. Lets say we have the 10, 11, 22 and 24 have all hit in the last 12 spins. We would be betting on the 12 and 23. This is also called EVENT betting, which I have talked about in the past. Any thoughts/questions?
Ken
I'm not trying to push this guys but there really is something GOOD here. It needs a deeper look.
Ken
I've messed with this over the years and have the same thoughts. Here are a quick few spins. Need a better or longer prog. No question it can make money. Need to tweak. Please let me know if I'm playing it right and I'll mess around some more with it.
Thanks for posting.
Thanks for posting. Myself, I use flat betting and it seems to work out just fine (no progression involved). In terms of your numbers, hang tight......I'm in the middle of a couple different things.
Ken
I thought this might be easier. I'll post 50 numbers (random.org). I'll be going back 13 numbers. So any 14th number, means NOTHING, that's how I play.
The 9 is the most recent number hit. (00 wheel)
9
17
34
28
22
20
31
21......Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 19.
5
5
20
33....after the 33 hit (we have the 32), I would be betting on the 31. A win, a few spins later.
0
32
5
13
00
20
11
28
17
25
21......Our trigger #, we have the 19 already. A few spins later, a win (20).
19
26......Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 25, a win a few spins later.
17
22
2
30
15
27
18
29
29....Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 30. We do get our win.
12
20
34
28
28
36.....Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 35. It does NOT hit but we only bet on it for a few spins.
28
22
18....Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 16.
00
17
25
14
34
12
Let me add something I did not address yet.
7
22
0
11
15
11
36
24
00
4
1
23
That 24 is our trigger number. We get our win on the 22. Soon, the 23 will drop from our 13 last numbers recorded. When that happens, we can NOW bet on the 23 until the 24 drops from our 13 recorded.
Ken
SIDENOTE:
In a SHORT period of time, we have a few different things we USUALLY (not always) will see >>>
A) No hits on any of the 3 numbers....good, no betting involved.
B) Only one hit of a number in a street....good, no betting involved.
C) Two different hits of numbers in a street......Okay, we will be betting on that third unhit number BUT only for a short period of time.
D) The best situation, all three hit in a short period of time. Thats called a WIN and at 35:1, I might add.
Ken
Hi Mr J,
I really like this idea and yes it is something I have noticed but strangely enough never done anything about it.
One idea is to play for 12 spins as you say after 2 numbers show in any 1 street.
Play the one missing number for 12 spins or a hit whichever comes first,
add other numbers from streets as they appear,
stop and retrack everytime you reach a new bank high.
I'll do some testing over the next few days and will post results,
D1.
You kind of hit the nail on the head. I guarantee, most have SEEN this 'event' while looking at the history board but did not NOTICE it. Big difference between seeing something and when you notice it.
Ken
SIDENOTE: >> Not that I have to post this but I will anyways. A certain person has ASKED me a goofy question and I answered. How can the max bet be $25 if I was betting $40? Good question but I would of preferred a NICER way of asking. (lol) I played Friday evening and as MOST know, limits are different (including airball) because of the high volume of people, its the WEEKEND.
With only 8 seats, its also damn difficult to get one. What I do......I keep walking around and looking at players balance on the screen. If I see its low, I'll stand behind them. Of course they could always put more money in. Anyways, this is a nice method. I'll play it again on Monday.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 27, 07:02 PM 2011
I thought this might be easier. I'll post 50 numbers (random.org). I'll be going back 13 numbers. So any 14th number, means NOTHING, that's how I play.
The 9 is the most recent number hit. (00 wheel)
9
17
34
28
22
20
31
21......Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 19.
5
5
20
33....after the 33 hit (we have the 32), I would be betting on the 31. A win, a few spins later.
0
32
5
13
00
20.... And this would be the trigger for the 19? etc ....
11
28
17
25 .... Would this be the trigger for the 27? Or, do we wait after a win?
21......Our trigger #, we have the 19 already. A few spins later, a win (20).
19
26......Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 25, a win a few spins later.
17
22
2
30
15
27
18
29
29....Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 30. We do get our win.
12
20
34
28
28
36.....Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 35. It does NOT hit but we only bet on it for a few spins.
28
22
18....Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 16.
00
17
25
14
34
12
"20.... And this would be the trigger for the 19?" >>> The 19/21 hit first, so we would be betting on the 20. After we get the WIN on the 20, the 19 would be the first to DROP off our list and YES we bet on the 19 until the 21 drops off our list.
Ken
"25 .... Would this be the trigger for the 27? Or, do we wait after a win?" >>> YES, sorry I missed that. After the WIN on 25, we bet the 27 until that 26 drops from the list.
Just remember, we bet on none of the numbers if ALL THREE are present. We wait till one of them drops from the list.
Ken
Ken,
I have to run out but will post another few questions later. Still a bit confused on exactly what is played until something drops off .....
Love the flat bets ...
Thanks, WG
This seems like a good system, just tried it on smartlive live airball and got a nice +42 units
I like that it requires a small BR and that it is played flat betting :thumbsup:
Can you tell me:
What is the most spins you went without a hit?
What BR do you suggest for this?
Thanks ;)
Most spins without a hit? Wrong question. You should ask how many units DOWN have I witnessed because sometimes you may be betting on 3-4 numbers in one spin.
Worse drawdown of units was around 75 before I got a hit.
What BR do I suggest? I'm the wrong guy to ask that. I use HIGH BR's. As far as yourself, 560 units is fine, in my opinion.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on May 02, 11:49 AM 2011
Most spins without a hit? Wrong question. You should ask how many units DOWN have I witnessed because sometimes you may be betting on 3-4 numbers in one spin.
Worse drawdown of units was around 75 before I got a hit.
What BR do I suggest? I'm the wrong guy to ask that. I use HIGH BR's. As far as yourself, 560 units is fine, in my opinion.
Ken
Yes, that's what I meant, thanks for answearing
well then, it looks like this one's a winner :)
whats your average win per session?
when do you stop playing?
and if the worst drawndown you had was 75, shouldn't the BR of 100 be enough then?
Quote from: soggett on May 03, 03:45 AM 2011
And if the worst drawndown you had was 75, shouldn't the BR of 100 be enough then?
I'm always on the high end in terms of BR's......its a bad habit of mine. I prefer to be prepared.
Ken
Quote from: soggett on May 03, 02:39 AM 2011
Yes, that's what I meant, thanks for answearing
well then, it looks like this one's a winner :)
what's your average win per session?
when do you stop playing?
When do I stop? >> When I SHOULD stop is around +$350 but I usually push it. Alot of times I stop (go home, same thing) after around 7 hours of play *IF* I did not hit a decent NET yet.
Average win per session? >> Honestly, I dont know. Sorry I cant help you on that.
Ken
i started looking at this last night with a little success and have been testing it all afternoon.
one thing i noticed at least 3 times today that as a number dropped out of the betting, it would hit on the very next spin!
i was thinking maybe track for 14 spins, but over the course of the afternoon, the number of extra spins would probably outnumber the units gained from those 3 wins.
so 13 spins looks like a good strategy.
i dont have exact figures because i've been looking at a couple of ideas at the same time, but this looks good.
thanks for sharing ken.
cheers.
Looks good on RNG early tests. Moreover, I flat bet until I have three streets qualified, then I add a chip on all bets after the 6th miss in a row.
Tweak it how you wish, not a problem. The semi-fact remains.....a complete street usually (not always) hits in a short period of time. I hope you guys get some use out of this. I have real good results so far (knock on wood).
Ken
Thanks for sharing your system with us! I checked 3 LIVE Casinos 12 lasts numbers history and I saw 5 (!) complete streets there! If I would betting there, I would have very nice profit.
One question: when I see, for example, 12 and 13 in the last 12 spins, for which number I have to bet: for 11 or for 14? These 2 numbers can complete the street.
"One question: when I see, for example, 12 and 13 in the last 12 spins, for which number I have to bet: for 11 or for 14? These 2 numbers can complete the street" >>> I'm not sure I understand but I'll give it a shot. For the 12 street.....either a 10 or an 11 must ALSO be present in the last 12 spins.
For the 13 street.....either a 14 or a 15 must ALSO be present in the last 12 spins.
Either street has NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ link=topic=4857. msg50869#msg50869 date=1304779227
"One question: when I see, for example, 12 and 13 in the last 12 spins, for which number I have to bet: for 11 or for 14? These 2 numbers can complete the street" >>> I'm not sure I understand but I'll give it a shot. For the 12 street. . . . . either a 10 or an 11 must ALSO be present in the last 12 spins.
For the 13 street. . . . . either a 14 or a 15 must ALSO be present in the last 12 spins.
Either street has NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER.
Ken
Yeah, got it now. Thanks!
Quote from: ewarwoowar on May 04, 02:21 PM 2011
I started looking at this last night with a little success and have been testing it all afternoon.
one thing I noticed at least 3 times today that as a number dropped out of the betting, it would hit on the very next spin!
i was thinking maybe track for 14 spins, but over the course of the afternoon, the number of extra spins would probably outnumber the units gained from those 3 wins.
so 13 spins looks like a good strategy.
i don't have exact figures because i've been looking at a couple of ideas at the same time, but this looks good.
thanks for sharing ken.
cheers.
Yeah, I tested it *MANY* different ways. 11-13 max. is what I suggest. Anything over that, in the long term is a waste, in my opinion.
Ken
Hi mr. J,i have noticed the same thing about numbers completing a street and your post made me think about it a little more. What do you thing about betting not the missing number but just the street?This way you don't target the missing one but repeaters also. I've been working on it for 2-3 day but i can't find the right MM so far. I am looking for your opinion about it. Thanks in advance.
This really is a nice method so far. Some will play it, few will comment on it and thats okay (I guess). A complete street hitting in a short period of time happens more than you think and USUALLY will go unnoticed unless it is pointed out in a PRIOR conversation...... "KEEP AN EYE OPEN FOR IT".
Ken
ive tested this a bit and it looks promising
thanks
I'm a long time lurker and first time poster. Mr J I want to thank you for this method as it has not only made me money, but has brought back the enjoyment of roulette. I was getting bored of robotically following systems or odds-based flat betting and this makes a very pleasant change of pace.
Welcome, Frood!
A nice post which I'm sure Mr J will appreciate. :thumbsup:
Thanks for the compliment. Sometime soon, I'll be posting a few more examples just to make sure we are all on the same page.
Ken
MrJ,
Thank you very much for this system. I tested it a few times on betvoyager demo mode and it's always done well. Being US based, we have to overcome the second zero, which with some systems is almost insurmountable. But this one isn't even phased by the second zero.
I've been discussing, recently, the "percieved" tendency for airball machines to repeat a little more than they should. The airball machine I play on certainly makes be believe that it is one of them. So, I decided to play this system on my airball machine and since there's no physical relationship between the numbers in a street on the carpet, I thought it would take better advantage of the balls tendency to land where it's landed not too long ago by betting streets based on the physical wheel instead of the carpet.
I divided the wheel into 3 number sectors and started testing some historical spins I had from my airball machine. I hoped to get at least as good of results as playing carpet streets. Did I? The answer is yes! This works at least as well and maybe just a smidgen better with wheel based streets vs carpet streets. I only tested a few hundred spins, but was constantly jumping into plus territory with a continual increase. There are a lot of exit points with this system. Sometimes you find yourself back down in the hole, but usually only for a short time. The graph would probably look like a crosscut saw but with a gradual incline.
I've just started testing it on a 0/00 wheel so not enough data to make a definite determination. It's a little harder to play than carpet based, but may be worth the effort. On airball at least. With a live dealer spinning the ball, maybe better, maybe worse, who knows? On RNG? Well I don't want to stir up that can of worms.
I think I can verbalize to the world, "Ken don't post no junk!" :thumbsup:
This one only takes a few hundred units to play with comfort. ;D That's refreshing.
Cheers,
George
"I think I can verbalize to the world, "Ken don't post no junk!"
The double negative suggests the exact opposite!! ;D
(Sorry, George. Couldn't resist it. ;))
Quote from: esoito on May 21, 04:04 AM 2011
"I think I can verbalize to the world, "Ken don't post no junk!"
The double negative suggests the exact opposite!! ;D
(Sorry, George. Couldn't resist it. ;))
You obviously didn't grow up in the South. We don't even know what double negatives are. Sounds to me like someone lost twice in a row!
Whenever see Georges positive thoughts about a method
in I jump.....therefore will test some tonight and of it goes for a real play on Airball tomorrow....
Oh yes many many diff.methods from here did I play for real....thats how I tesit it as here its
very cheap 1/7 of euro 1 unit........but will do a wheel sectors testings as am only playing Airball.
Will let you know the results tomorrov.
*PLEASE* follow the rules exactly. Too many times in the past I hear...."hey Ken, it didn't work out all that well".
Only to find out, they were playing it wrong. You will NOT make 800K with this. Pity I have to throw in that disclaimer.
I will post a few examples soon. I have company in town right now, heading out to the city shortly! 8) I'm limiting myself to 20 beers tonight. :'(
Ken
And I really play this today,but sectors/3/wheel based,
and gave up after about 30 spins...as very diff.to track thisway
/maybe better as suggested/no lose no win....
20 bears?????Are you in one piece today sir???
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on May 22, 02:45 PM 2011
And I really play this today,but sectors/3/wheel based,
and gave up after about 30 spins...as very diff.to track thisway
/maybe better as suggested/no lose no win....
20 bears?????Are you in one piece today sir???
That difficulty tracking also makes it difficult to test on demo mode on-line.
I'm going to keep testing on-line when I have time because it is a very good method. Well worth the effort. Just have to come up with a form or something to fill in that will keep things moving along.
Like I have said before. I'm not really playing for much money now because I don't have the time. I'm gathering systems that have promise for the day when I can quit working so much, get my adopted children raised and have some peace and quiet. Then, I think this will be an arrow in the quiver.
After 20 bears he now has an unbearable hangover.
yes, i bet he's feeling a bit grizzly today.
In terms of difficulty tracking? >>> I play nothing unless its EASY to follow. I think the tracking part is very easy. No need to track anything on paper, I think we agree on that. Watch your history board for the last 12 numbers. If it goes past 12 numbers, so what, only watch those 12.
You *SHOULD* know you layout without looking, thats the basics. Lets say a 32 just hit. In a half a second (without looking) you should think....31, 33. See if there is a 31 or a 33 in the last 12 spins. If so, its time to bet.
Lets say a 21 just hit. In a half a second (without looking) you should think...... 19, 20. See if there is a 19 or 20 in the last 12 spins. If so, its time to bet. The only TWO things you need to watch closely are.....what just hit and what number dropped from the last 12. I find it quite easy to play.
Ken
I've had no real difficulty tracking either. You just need to remember 3 things as each spin comes :
1) What number(s) you're waiting for
2) Which is the least recent number that you're watching. (i. e if a 4 comes then a 6, I'm waiting for 5 to show up but know that 4 is the one that came first. Once that drops off the end I know that street is over with)
3) With each spin take a quick glance down the last 10 to see if it has a match.
But really, once you know your streets it only takes a glance to know if it has any matches.
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 23, 03:20 PM 2011
I briefly touched on this subject in the past. I think its a GREAT idea but not all 'rules' have been thought out yet, that's why its in this section.
This would be flat betting. If you watch the history board (the last 12 hit numbers), take a CLOSER look. Many, many times, we see a complete street has hit. I have messed around with this type of play (real money) and have kind of good results.
FOR EXAMPLE >> Lets say we have a 31 and a 33 hit in the last 12 spins. Bet on that 32 until either the 31 or 33 drops from the 12 last spins. Lets say a 32 does hit (win).....no more betting until either the 31 or 33 drops, then bet on that number. We are always looking for a COMPLETE street to have hit in a short period of time and it happens OFTEN.
We might be betting on more than one number. Lets say we have the 10, 11, 22 and 24 have all hit in the last 12 spins. We would be betting on the 12 and 23. This is also called EVENT betting, which I have talked about in the past. Any thoughts/questions?
Ken
I wondering and assume there is no difference using table or wheel layout based upon the principal above.
But for me i wondering if same idea would be the same using wheel layout.
26 0
32 15 19 4 21 2 25 17 34 6 27 13 36 11 30 8 23 10 5 24 16
33 1 20 14
31Would it not be better to make it sector based using neighbors then just assume numbers all over the wheel order would hit ...
Quote from: ego on Nov 30, 02:06 AM 2011
I wondering and assume there is no difference using table or wheel layout based upon the principal above.
But for me i wondering if same idea would be the same using wheel layout.
26 0 32 15 19 4 21 2 25 17 34 6 27 13 36 11 30 8 23 10 5 24 16 33 1 20 14 31
Would it not be better to make it sector based using neighbors then just assume numbers all over the wheel order would hit ...
Ego, Check out reply #33. That's exactly what I was doing. Well, maybe not exactly. It works fine on my airball machine. I do think there's a tendency for the ball to land in the general area as the last spin more than random would allow. Nevertheless, I think with a live dealer it should work as well.
RNG? I don't see how when playing RNG there's any relationship between numbers on the carpet or on the wheel.
GLC
P.S. When I tried this I just started with the first three numbers to the right of 0 ad a sector. To speed things along, you could select any three numbers that we neighbors like you said. Take the numbers 30-11-7. These are a sector I'm using but this is a better way to play it. Let's take 9-26-30-11-7-20-32. Six numbers to the right of zero is my 2nd sector but there's no reason why if I saw 20 and 11 I couldn't start betting for 7 since that's 3 neighbors. Or if I get 20 and 7, I could bet on 32 or 11 or both. This gives more betting opportunities and I don't see how it harms our chances for a win.
If you are going to play this way, it is imperative, I think, that you have the double zero wheel thoroughly memorized so you can spot betting opportunities without having to write everything down. If you're sitting at an airball machine like I do, it's easy to keep track of what you're doing as long as you stay focused and don't get distracted interacting with other players.
Quote from: GLC on Nov 30, 09:13 AM 2011
Ego, Check out reply #33. That's exactly what I was doing. Well, maybe not exactly. It works fine on my airball machine. I do think there's a tendency for the ball to land in the general area as the last spin more than random would allow. Nevertheless, I think with a live dealer it should work as well.
RNG? I don't see how when playing RNG there's any relationship between numbers on the carpet or on the wheel.
GLC
P.S. When I tried this I just started with the first three numbers to the right of 0 ad a sector. To speed things along, you could select any three numbers that we neighbors like you said. Take the numbers 30-11-7. These are a sector I'm using but this is a better way to play it. Let's take 9-26-30-11-7-20-32. Six numbers to the right of zero is my 2nd sector but there's no reason why if I saw 20 and 11 I couldn't start betting for 7 since that's 3 neighbors. Or if I get 20 and 7, I could bet on 32 or 11 or both. This gives more betting opportunities and I don't see how it harms our chances for a win.
If you are going to play this way, it is imperative, I think, that you have the double zero wheel thoroughly memorized so you can spot betting opportunities without having to write everything down. If you're sitting at an airball machine like I do, it's easy to keep track of what you're doing as long as you stay focused and don't get distracted interacting with other players.
Thanks for a nice reply ...
I assume it would be fun to test on my singel zero wheel at home ...
Cheers
Quote from: GLC on Nov 30, 09:13 AM 2011
Ego, Check out reply #33. That's exactly what I was doing. Well, maybe not exactly. It works fine on my airball machine. I do think there's a tendency for the ball to land in the general area as the last spin more than random would allow. Nevertheless, I think with a live dealer it should work as well.
RNG? I don't see how when playing RNG there's any relationship between numbers on the carpet or on the wheel.
GLC
Hello
Proofreaders posted this system in other section and i tested it on about 3000 live spins from Smartlive casino flat betting only. I dont remember exact numbers but overall it did not work. I play mostly airball. Maybe on it results would be better.
Regards
P.S. When I tried this I just started with the first three numbers to the right of 0 ad a sector. To speed things along, you could select any three numbers that we neighbors like you said. Take the numbers 30-11-7. These are a sector I'm using but this is a better way to play it. Let's take 9-26-30-11-7-20-32. Six numbers to the right of zero is my 2nd sector but there's no reason why if I saw 20 and 11 I couldn't start betting for 7 since that's 3 neighbors. Or if I get 20 and 7, I could bet on 32 or 11 or both. This gives more betting opportunities and I don't see how it harms our chances for a win.
If you are going to play this way, it is imperative, I think, that you have the double zero wheel thoroughly memorized so you can spot betting opportunities without having to write everything down. If you're sitting at an airball machine like I do, it's easy to keep track of what you're doing as long as you stay focused and don't get distracted interacting with other players.
Hello
Proofreaders posted this system in other section and i tested it on about 3000 live spins from Smartlive casino flat betting only. I don't remember exact numbers but overall it did not work. I play mostly airball. Maybe on it results would be better.
Regards
Sorry for the last post.
Exactly what did I post that did not work? (I post a lot of things) :)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 02, 07:48 AM 2011
Exactly what did I post that did not work? (I post a lot of things) :)
Hello
Betting for 10 spins 2 complete a street. Flat bet only.
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Dec 02, 08:42 AM 2011
Hello
Betting for 10 spins 2 complete a street. Flat bet only.
Regards
Hello
Thomas One street repeater system. In most 185 live spins sessions at Smartlive you were down. Sometimes 4 or 5 lost sequences in a row. Flat betting as you suggested. I played few similar street related systems and in the best case scenario you had pretty good run for a while and you got wiped out. Most of them tank pretty quickly.
Regards
There is also a stop-loss instruction on the system. -20% of the original bankroll end session. Did you follow? (a new session=20+ spin wait before tracking again)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 03, 01:01 AM 2011
There is also a stop-loss instruction on the system. -20% of the original bankroll end session. Did you follow? (a new session=20+ spin wait before tracking again)
Hello Proofs
I tested it on about 3000 live wheel spins from Smartlive. Each session consists of 185 spins. I played each session continuously . Most of them ended in a negative territory and i dont see how putting stop loss on it or waiting number of spins could change things. This thing just does not hit often enough. I lost few times 4 or 5 times in a row.I guess that you can ride a positive streak on this but in the long run you will lose.
After all maybe putting a progression on it would change the outcome.
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Dec 02, 09:03 AM 2011
Hello
Thomas One street repeater system. In most 185 live spins sessions at Smartlive you were down. Sometimes 4 or 5 lost sequences in a row. Flat betting as you suggested. I played few similar street related systems and in the best case scenario you had pretty good run for a while and you got wiped out. Most of them tank pretty quickly.
Regards
Hi, Thomas one street repeater system and this method is not exactly the same. Thomas's bets 3 numbers per spin. This one bets only 1 to 4 numbers per spin, depending on which of the streets is missing a piece.
on a side note, does anyone knows how to make a excel tracker for this system :)?
Quote from: harrican on Dec 04, 08:54 PM 2011
Hi, Thomas one street repeater system and this method is not exactly the same. Thomas's bets 3 numbers per spin. This one bets only 1 to 4 numbers per spin, depending on which of the streets is missing a piece.
on a side note, does anyone knows how to make a excel tracker for this system :) ?
So you suggest betting all the streets with one missing number? i dont think you can be successful with betting more than one street. You will be wiped out sooner.
If it does not deliver with betting just on one street for 10 spins i dont see that it can deliver with more streets. I have not tested it though.
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Dec 05, 01:18 AM 2011
So you suggest betting all the streets with one missing number? i don't think you can be successful with betting more than one street. You will be wiped out sooner.
If it does not deliver with betting just on one street for 10 spins i don't see that it can deliver with more streets. I have not tested it though.
Regards
Hi :) Nope, I'm simply saying that they are 2 different systems. The only thing thats almost similar about both systems is the Bet Trigger. Mr J's one is trying to win 35 units with 12 units, Thomas's one is trying to win 11 units with 10 units.. they are very different creatures :)
Anyways, I just started testing Mr J's one.. still trying to make my excel sheet work to track..
Peace :) and Good Fortune to All :)
MrJ,
First let me say I have the greatest respect for your systems, experience & philosophy ~ Thanks for sharing.
But I'm unsure why this is such a great system, I can't see it..?
To your exact flat bet rules;
Run against 1402 consecutive spins from Dublinbet/Table1
Run against 2026 consecutive spins from Dublinbet/Table1
I must have missed something ~ I've attached run 317, perhaps you can cross check me..?
@topcat888 >> Wow, I didn't know this was 4 pages. A couple points.
This was the first sentence of mine BACK ON April 23rd >>> "I think its a GREAT idea but not all 'rules' have been thought out yet, that's why its in this section". I have since been playing a bit differently, I'm GUILTY of not re-posting, bad habit of mine. :(
NOW, I only play one number regardless of how many opportunities there are on the history board. Which number? The one that is the latest that just became available. Lets say the 10 & 11 are on the history board, we of course would be betting on the 12 UNTIL.......lets also say the 2 is on the board. The next hit number is the 1.
I then SWITCH my one number bet to the 3 etc. As each NEW situation comes up, I then switch.
I only need one hit every 36 spins to stay in the game (break even). There are times you'll be betting on the same number for 8 spins. Other times, you might switch your bet 4 times in a row. Its also POSSIBLE to be betting on a number even though one of the other numbers has dropped off the history board, stick with that number until a new bet arises, it won't take long!
Meaning, maybe you were betting on that 3 and way down on the bottom, the 2 drops off. No issue, keep betting the 3. Again, I apologize for NOT re-posting. This 'newer' version may help you, or it may not. Good luck!!
Ken
Cheers MrJ..!
I'll give that a go... it's very difficult to find a flat better that will hold up...
Anyway, onwards & upwards.! :thumbsup:
has anyone tested this system any further? any feedback will be much appreciated
thank u in advance
tony
Quote from: tonynewlife on Jan 29, 10:59 AM 2012
has anyone tested this system any further? any feedback will be much appreciated
thank u in advance
tony
Tony, I don't mean to blow off your question, but testing doesn't help much. I've tested and tested until I'm blue in the face and guess what, testing hasn't really been that helpful.
This system works just like Ken says it does. Most of the time you win sometimes you lose. Some people won't like the way it plays and others will love it. Some people may have good enough luck to stay ahead with this system a some may have bad luck and start off losing and give up.
Ken says he plays this and wins with it. I've tested it and played it for real money and I have won with it. The last time I played I lost which left me still ahead so I dropped it from my current systems and am playing with other ideas.
It's not the grail so don't risk more than you can afford to lose. If you try it and get ahead by a reasonable amount, don't let the casino have it all back.
Good Luck,
GLC
thanks, your input is greatly appreciated.
Dear GLC,
Have you tested according to Mr. J's last post on Dec. 13 , 2011 where he only bets on 1 number in the last 12 spins ? That was a change from betting all missing street events within 12 spins.
Sincerely,
Quote from: RouletteStar on Jan 08, 12:00 AM 2013
Dear GLC,
Have you tested according to Mr. J's last post on Dec. 13 , 2011 where he only bets on 1 number in the last 12 spins ? That was a change from betting all missing street events within 12 spins.
Sincerely,
Star, Here's how I played this system the last few times I played it. It's a little tweak on MrJ's presentation so I apologize if this confuses anyone.
First, I don't play based on the table layout. I play based on the wheel layout. The first thing this means is that you must be playing on a live dealer wheel or an airball machine. If you're playing RNG, then you might as well play MrJ's system. The reason I like the wheel method is to take advantage of any bias for hitting the same area repeatedly, or better known as "Dealer Signature". I don't have enough statistics to prove this, but I feel that my airball machine tends to hit in the same general area within 6 spins more than random would allow.
Use either single or double zero wheel. I have to use double zero because that's all we have here.
I wait until 2 numbers that are 1 space from each other hit within the last 6 spins. I then bet the number that's between these 2 numbers for 6 times unless I have a hit.
Let's say #'s 18 & 21 have spun in the last 6 numbers. Number 6 is between them. I bet on #6 for 6 times unless I win in less than 6. If a new trigger becomes available while I'm betting on Number 6, let's say numbers 7 & 30 hit, I start betting on number 11 also. I bet both numbers until I reach the 6th bet on #6. Then I drop #6 and continue on with #11.
(When playing wheel based, I'm hoping for repeat hits in the same area of the wheel due to a rhythym by the dealer or the shooting mechanism in an airball machine. Does such a thing exist? I think so but it's too controversial to get into here.)
I bet every trigger. This is very different from MrJ's latest method of only betting 1 number and that being the latest avaiable.
I'm not saying my method is better than his. It's just another way to play and has worked pretty decent for me.
I flat bet usually. I have played a Project 202 type progression which has worked well also. I bet 1 unit for 72 bets. Any time I reach a new profit, I reset. If I'm in the hole after 72 bets, I move to 2 units per bet for another 72 bets or until I reach a new profit. If I hit at 2 units within my 72 bets and I'm not at a new profit, I stay at 2 units for another 72 bets or until I get ahead. I don't go to 3 units until I have lost 72 bets at 1 unit and 2 units. I continue adding 1 unit when called for until I reach a new high. I never drop back when I'm still in the hole, but there's nothing saying you can't if you like that method better.
One thing I like about this method is that you can stop anytime you don't have a bet on the table and pick up at the same place in your progression the next time you go to the casino.
Be forwarned. There will be some stretches of no hits that will test your resolve. Test this a few times to get a feel for it before playing for real money. You set your own buy-in. I recommend 500 or more for the progression and 100 to 200 for the flat bet.
Hope this makes sense.
GLC
I want to add, if you're playing in a B&M casino with a live dealer and you're in the middle of a series and there's a dealer change, terminate that attack and start over fresh with the new dealer.
For the same reason, if you're playing at an airball machine that does any major changes every now and then, do the same thing. Reset even if you're down. You don't have to reset your progression, just the bet selection.
One final thought. I wouldn't suggest starting off with a progression of any kind with this system. Flat bet until you're convinced that it works and then a mild progression will enhance your winnings. Beware! It will also mean that you need a larger bank to cover the deeper drawdowns. Risk vs Reward. More reward, more risk.
GLC
Dear GLC,
Thank you for your response. I live in Scottsdale , AZ and live about five minutes from two casinos ! There is only Airball in AZ - (no live dealers). All are 00 - American Wheel.
The Airball machines available in my order of preference are: Organic, Roulette Revolution and Alpha Street. (all air ball - No RNG !). I have played roulette for many years,
but only played seriously for the last three and a half years. I am at a break even stage to maybe a little positive. I am studying Kimo Li's materials and enjoy them but, his methods are work in progress for me, and take a lot of study and patience. I like your suggestions and will certainly try them out, I totally agree on all of your ideas you mentioned in your reply and explanation. I have been reading a lot about of John Legends systems/methods and find them interesting (e.g.:Pattern Breaker), but they are all designed for European - single zero tables. Please let me know of anything Interesting that you presently use or are working on. Also, any Posts of other systems that you think may have merit.
It seems to me that going with random, instead of fighting (Linear) it is the way to go. I try to read about it as much as possible but, no methods that are really solid so far.
Any ideas or information you can provide would be GREATLY appreciated !! Best of luck to you !!
RouletteStar AKA (Good Karma)
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 27, 07:02 PM 2011
I thought this might be easier. I'll post 50 numbers (random.org). I'll be going back 13 numbers. So any 14th number, means NOTHING, that's how I play.
The 9 is the most recent number hit. (00 wheel)
9
17
34
28
22
20
31
21......Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 19.
5
5
20
33....after the 33 hit (we have the 32), I would be betting on the 31. A win, a few spins later.
0
32
5
13
00
20
11
28
17
25
21......Our trigger #, we have the 19 already. A few spins later, a win (20).
19
26......Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 25, a win a few spins later.
17
22
2
30
15
27
18
29
29....Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 30. We do get our win.
12
20
34
28
28
36.....Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 35. It does NOT hit but we only bet on it for a few spins.
28
22
18....Our trigger #. We'll be betting on the 16.
00
17
25
14
34
12
I don't see the wins indicated in this demonstration.
I see 19.
No 31
I see the 20
I see the 25
No 30
No 16.
And the ones that hit took many spins. I don't get it.
Bump!
I have been going back to the old forgotten favorites of the past and this one is great. I have modified the rules a little and am having great results as follows:
Not only can we play for the streets, we can play when we get 3 of the 4 in a dozen/column (ie 13, 16, 19, 22). If there is a cross of a street and a dozen/column that are both waiting for the same number to hit, I don't double up, I just play the single unit.
I do play this as a bit of a progression and not for the short time period recommended. The progression is a simple one: Use whatever unit size is necessary to end +1 with any hit. If you are down 27 units and playing with 5 spaces covered, you can play just 1. If you have a loss and are down 32, you will bump up to 2 units per space because you wouldn't net enough on a hit to get back in the black.
A variation of this if you play online with smaller stakes is to use a positive progression that is refigured after each win - If you play with a 216-unit B/R, every time you win, divide your B/R by 216 and use your answer as the new unit size (If you hit once and you have 221 now, move to 1.02 units. If you only have .05 increments, wait until you are at 227 and move up to 1.05. Adjust to your own taste.).
Like all systems, each person will find their own preferences and none are right or wrong. I just wanted this gem back in view.