This refers mainly to this topic link:://rouletteforum.cc/winkel's-way-b78/win-as-much-as-you-want/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/winkel's-way-b78/win-as-much-as-you-want/)
mainly it is said that past spins are only past and have nothing to tell about future spins.
This is not true. I will proof this in this thread.
As I always say: "WATCH WHAT IS GOING ON"
As I refer to above topic i will use statistics and explanations on DS.
First we have to know:
The chance to hit a DS is 1/6th
with ervery spin the chance of a hit grows:
0.167
0.333
0.5
0.667
0.833
1.0
etc.
but we can say, if the chance is .5 or higher we may have a hit so our refence-table looks like this:
0
0
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
etc
this reference-table is to be compared with the actual count of hits (explanation follows)
What we also have to know is a simple statistic of count of hits in spins:
example out of more than 12000 spins
dis: distance
hit: count of hits in this distance
should: statistical count of hits
pls see attachment
@all
I have problems with excel-sheets to copy to my posts.
I have to use a lot of these, so first I have to solve this with the moderators
sorry for delay
This picture shows what we all know:
In the Long Run everything turns to the average.
This means the average distance between the hits of a DS will turn to 6
How the graph works:
e.g.
we have a distance from last to next hit of 30
next distances are
5
10
3
8
6
the graph shows
30
30+5/2 =17,5
30+5+10/3=15
30+5+10+3/4=12
30+15+10+3+8/5=11.2
etc.
But we can also face situations that there are long distances after a long distance.
the average makes of a following long distance not a high peak but an small peak
see in this picture:
every distance >20 starts a new graph
check the new long distance and its result on an earlier started graph
curious can you give us the moral of the story, or conclusions to better absorb your info ?
Quote from: IIIRAZORIII on Jul 15, 07:51 PM 2011
curious can you give us the moral of the story, or conclusions to better absorb your info ?
my strategies or theories are well designed. so are my threads.
The moral of the story needs a lot of basics and explanations.
it takes some posts to come to the end and I just don´t wanna stress folks. Just waiting for questions to the basics.
just wait, I will continue
br
winkel
Hi winkel, thank you for starting a new thread, but i am still confused: what is the "distance" you refer to?
Quote from: intermax on Jul 17, 11:02 PM 2011
Hi winkel, thank you for starting a new thread, but I am still confused: what is the "distance" you refer to?
L
Hit distance 2
L
L
L
Hit distance 4
@all I will continue this soon. I have some time-problems these days
br
winkel
Thanks for sharing your information looks interesting.
Regards
Max
Keep going Winkel, I'm interested.
I like where this is going. Please continue, Winkel.
Hi Winkel, i like this distances idea....
Quote:
**the average distance between the hits of a DS will turn to 6**
You mean distance 6( or around) will hit more than others ?
So for dozens and columns the average distance will be 3 , right ?
Example distances:
DS (double streets)
3
2
6
4
6 hit distance 2 (D2)
5
5 hit D1
2 hit D6
3 hit D8
5 hit D3 and D4
so on....
Ex. dozens:
2
1
3
1 hit distance 2 (D2)
2 hit distance 4 (D4)
2 hit D1 and D5
3 hit D4
1 hit D4 and D6
2 hit D3 and D4
If for example we make the Lw registry for the distances and i hunt distance
D3 (for dozens), we have more chances after some virtual Ls on distance D3 ?
Ex:
Doz
1
2
3
3 hit D1(distance)
1 hit D4
1 hit D1 and D5
2 hit D5
2 hit D1 , now we have various virtual Ls on D2 and D3
we should bet now for D3 ? (also D2 is missing)
thanks
Hmmmmmmmm...by reading this what if we would combine it with "win as much as you want"?Betting the DS that slept for 5 spins?I'll code it this evening i guess...
Quote from: xxlakis on Aug 23, 02:30 PM 2011
Hmmmmmmmm...by reading this what if we would combine it with "win as much as you want"?Betting the DS that slept for 5 spins?I'll code it this evening i guess...
Yes can combine with that extended Fibo progression(from *win as much..*)but bet for distances D5,D6,D7 (or D6,D7,D8)...bet around the average (distance 6) . After W take new
qualifyed DS, also after L1L2L3 take new qualifyed DS.
Or bet 5 times same DS so bet distances D5,D6,D7,D8,D9 and move to other qualifyed DS
and bet the next 5 progression steps.
Ex( bet for D5,D6,D7)
DS
2
4
5
4
4 four virtual Ls for DS2 , bet for D5,D6,D7 so bet 3 times DS2
3 L1
2 W, qualifyed DS5
1 L1
2 L2
6 L3 , take new qualifyed DS, so DS3
5 L1
3 W, qualifyed DS1
3 L1
5 L2
4 L3 , take new DS, so DS6 (bet for D6,D7,D8)
1 L1
4 L2
6 L3, take new DS, so DS5
6 L1
2 L2
5 W
Waiting for Winkel to clarify all( maybe i am wrong about the bet around distance D6) .
Well i did some quick tests with different parameters.Sleeping distance for 5 steps,for more than 5 steps and i also used the one that was closest to 5 but my results where almost the same.Now i have in mind to calculate with every hit the average hitting distance for every DS and bet the DS that is closer to the average.Well i am pretty sure that won't make much difference but what the hell you never know.After all ideas bring more ideas...
sorry for offtopic, with respect to winkel. i love winkels systems starting for me from GUT beacuase he know what he is doing. And if you are improving teories from somebody you CAN find something valuable but if you dont understand it you dont know size of value. I am doing only own strategies. I have flat bet valuable results on no zero.
Hmmmm...just a thought.For each DS should stand the following..(s1+s2+s3+...)/w=6 where s1,s2,s3,.. are the hitting distances and w the amount of wins for each DS.According this we can calculate the most propable Hitting distance for each DS and choose the DS with the one that is closest to the current one...well when you are at work you always have time to think i guess.... ::)
Quote from: xxlakis on Aug 24, 10:12 AM 2011
Well i did some quick tests with different parameters.Sleeping distance for 5 steps,for more than 5 steps and i also used the one that was closest to 5 but my results where almost the same.Now i have in mind to calculate with every hit the average hitting distance for every DS and bet the DS that is closer to the average.Well i am pretty sure that won't make much difference but what the hell you never know.After all ideas bring more ideas...
Are you saying that your tests showed that starting the fibo on a DS that has slept for 5 spins gives the same results as not waiting 5 spins? Just making sure I understand...
Sam
Does anyone of you guys know why Winkel didn't continue
this very interesting thread.Four months he has been quite.
Hopping all is well with him 8)
Quote from: winkel on Jul 18, 03:41 AM 2011
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Hit distance 2
L
L
L
Hit distance 4
@all I will continue this soon. I have some time-problems these days
br
winkel
Winkel my friend,
Give us a shout so we know you're okay. Like Flatino said, months and no post. Hope all is well.
GLC
I asked Winkel in a german roulette forum why he stopped posting here.
He answered it has personal reasons and he doesn´t know, if he will post here again.
Quote from: MadMax on Oct 26, 04:29 AM 2011
I asked Winkel in a german roulette forum why he stopped posting here.
He answered it has personal reasons and he doesn´t know, if he will post here again.
----I thought so and don't blame him at all...
as a matter of fact am jelaous on his principals. 8)
Quote from: MadMax on Oct 26, 04:29 AM 2011
I asked Winkel in a german roulette forum why he stopped posting here.
He answered it has personal reasons and he doesn´t know, if he will post here again.
Which forum if I may ask?
:.dc-campus.net (link:://:.dc-campus.net)