In the game of roulette we have the mathimatical disadvantage.
No FLAT betting bet selection can win over the long run because there are NO better bet selections that others...they are all the same and they are all losing with the mathimatical rate of -2.7.
A person that has explored roulette for several years comes to a final conclusion (like Turbo Genius did too)
The conclusion is that IF there is a way to beat this negative expectation game is with the power of Progression-Money Managment (MM) .
What we have to look out with this kind of play is the table limit(max bet)
For example in most Casinos the maximum bet per single number is 20 chips on it.
So IF we engineer a progression that is not going over 20 chips per number and we can win in the long run (1 million spins) then we have the ultimate system that we are ALL looking for.
The problem with this kind of play is that we need massive BR to be able to face the bad moments(fluxuations) of the game sessions....
Can we ever lose 1 session??? Of cource we can ! There is a possibility that we will never lose until we die but there is a possibility that we can lose even from the 1st visit ! Its Roulette what we are talcking about!
So in my opinion the only way is to have 3 BRs.... yes 3 Massive Brs.....
It will be very hard to lose all 3....but even if we do , we will have taken our shot to become rich from this game.
We wll be playing with the best options that this game can provide us(best possible progression....
Do some of you have the ILLUSION that a bet selection can make a deference? IF YES then that s ok use the Progression with ur bet selection.....we care about the progression.
There are rumors that Turbo G may have found the H.G.
IF this is true (only he knows it) I bet it s a system with a smart and safe progression (to be able to overcome the bad fluxuations) that of cource needs a MASSIVE BR.
Would you ppl like to engineer a progression like I am talking about?
Thanks
The most interesting topic on this forum is here and noone replyes ... LoL
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that would be an absolute progression then. although I find the idea fascinating ... to me it's a bit like the loch ness monster. everybody believes that it must exist but nobody has ever seen it.
there are two "unbeatable progressions" out there that I know of. one was invented by kurt von haller the other one by fritz werntgen. quiete a while ago I tested the first one with my usual test spins and it busted. the second one I've never tested. but from what I read it does not work either.
but as I've mentioned, the idea is fascinating.
cheers
hans
If there is a progression that works it is not for the eyes of the public....so i don t care to hear about progressions that have beed published.
I suppose whether you end up winning or losing is beside the point.
But does anyone know of a progression or MM that always out performs flat betting over a maximum of 100 or so spins?
>> I'll repost something I posted very recently on the forum and adapt it to your view on the subject:
Roulette have always been, in my opinion, a game of even chances, just like baccarat. You have losing strikes, winning strikes, trends, z-scores, the probabilities behind and everything... that is all similar.
The advantage with roulette comes with the fact you can decide to risk less to win more, or risk more to win less. For example, the dozens. Someone could decide to play safer and bet two dozens (1 chip each), You then have 2 out of 3 chances of winning 1 unit, that's awesome... but in the counter part, when you lose, you lose 2 units, the same 2 units you won before.
So if you were to have everything "quite" balanced "enough", you'd lose just as much as you win. And that bring us back to even money bets. With even money you, OR win your bet, OR lose your bet, nothing else, nothing more.
I think that's what you mean by "experienced players" who always come to the same conclusion.
Roulette works that way. In the long run, you get nowhere. At all. That's why they added the "0" to turn a neutral expectation game into a negative expectation game.
Now, because there's 2,7% odds against us, we must bet more money as we're playing to make sure our few profits don't get eaten by the house edge.
If we want to beat the roulette, you need a serious money management plan.
It has to be a progression. Positive, negative, with a regression or many triggers, I doesn't really matter, anything that works.
But it have to be some sort of progression.
Simply that.
Here's the problem, how do you know when to rise or lower your bet?
That's the question guys.
>> Tip 1: Somebody suggested me to have a regression right after the first win. Something like 2-1-3-4-5, just because if you're losing on your second bet, you're still making +1 unit profit and locking the other one safely.
>> Tip 2: You can expect ANY pattern to form (BRBRBR. BBBBBB, RRRRRR, name it) for minimum 29 spins if you're gonna play 1 million spins.
From there I don't have any clue where to go from.
The sure thing is we think alike RouletteExplorer ;)
Yes very nice post nitrix and thanks you for ur reply.
i agree with anything you just said.
I just think that the game of roulette is not only about the Ecs...this is our only deference.
Thanks but the point of this Topic is for all of us to work on a MM. ;D
I'm very interested in exactly what you're talking about. Please keep it up. I'm focusing my time and energy on learning how to code RX right now.
I don t have to keep up anything my friend, exept trying to engireer a progression
The best progression that I have ever seen on the Ecs is the PLUSCOUP.
Can we tweak it to be a winner?
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 16, 03:00 PM 2011
I don't have to keep up anything my friend, exept trying to engireer a progression
Not sure what you mean or what you think I meant; but just to be clear, I was trying to be enthusiastically supportive.
I have changed my views over the years regarding the possibility of a MM/Progression type plan winning in the long run. I do not think it is possible. Granted you can win for a long time, but eventually you will hit the nemesis patterns and your bankroll will turn negative eventually.
I myself have programmed multiple MM plans that beat the Zumma tester books, and some have even beaten over 1 million RNG 8 deck baccarat shoes. But eventually, they all start losing and losing badly.
I have tried everything: differential betting, negative progressions, positive progressions, parlays, Oscars Grind variations etc.
I take it this means you are looking for a bet selection that will win flat betting. ???
"""Not sure what you mean or what you think I meant; but just to be clear, I was trying to be enthusiastically supportive."""
Yes i know this my friend and thank you.
"""I take it this means you are looking for a bet selection that will win flat betting."""
There isn t such a thing.Unfortunately
Quote from: GLC on Sep 16, 08:03 PM 2011
I take it this means you are looking for a bet selection that will win flat betting. ???
I should have said it probably is not possible. I still test progression/MM based systems and create new ones occasionally.
And yes, I have also searched for flat betting methods that can win in the long run. I still do search for them. Naturally I have not found any, because I still search ;)
You don't necessarily need a bet selection which will win flat betting, it only has to keep the progression from getting out of hand and ensure that the needed wins will come before you've lost your bank.
Progressions and MM aren't enough on their own; in my opinion you need both. So progression-MM isn't your ONLY power. Feel free to disagree, but if you're going to quote the maths, it's inconsistent to claim that MM alone will save you, because the maths makes no distinction between bet selections and MM - according to it, NOTHING can work.
"""You don't necessarily need a bet selection which will win flat betting, it only has to keep the progression from getting out of hand and ensure that the needed wins will come before you've lost your bank.
Progressions and MM aren't enough on their own; in my opinion you need both. So progression-MM isn't your ONLY power. Feel free to disagree, but if you're going to quote the maths, it's inconsistent to claim that MM alone will save you, because the maths makes no distinction between bet selections and MM - according to it, NOTHING can work."""
Ofcource I agree with the consept that we need a bet selection that has to keep the progression from getting out of hand and ensure that the needed wins will come before you've lost your bank.
But this would be applyable ONLY if there could be a better bet selection than the others...
And TIME and EXPLORING for 400 years hve shown that there isn t .
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 17, 06:22 AM 2011
But this would be applyable ONLY if there could be a better bet selection than the others...
And TIME and EXPLORING for 400 years hve shown that there isn t .
But you could say the same for progressions and MM - no-one has found one in 400 years so one can't exist. Why pick on bet selections in particular?
Also, IF someone came up with a winning system, would you expect them to take out a full page Ad in The Times? ;D
"""But you could say the same for progressions and MM - no-one has found one in 400 years so one can't exist. Why pick on bet selections in particular?"""
I agree with this and it is already in my mind. It s just that because every spin is independent , NO bet selection can be better or worst than the others....wile the MM- Progression is something that is left for me to belieave-hope.
"""Also, IF someone came up with a winning system, would you expect them to take out a full page Ad in The Times?"""
Nothing in this planet can remain secret if it involves SEX or MONEY! Espesially when we are speaking about UNLIMITED money......
I think this is unique time in roulette history, with online casinos that can be played by bots and betting spreads of up to 1:150,000. With a big enough bankroll and a small enough base bet, as well as a bot to do what no human could, anything is possible.
I think that when a casino offers 1:150,000 it is obvious that the wheels are rigged(scams)
If you need that kind of spread, in my opinion you shouldn't be playing. ;D
QuoteNothing in this planet can remain secret if it involves SEX or MONEY! Espesially when we are speaking about UNLIMITED money......
That just isn't the way the world works. History is full of examples where people don't take opportunities which on the face of it seem to be great. There are many reasons, maybe it's "too good to be true" (so it CAN'T be true).
I could stand in a busy street with a tray of cash and a neon sign around my neck saying "Get your money here", and I would probably be ignored. :D
Don't forget we're talking about roulette - "everyone" KNOWS it's unbeatable; roulette = unpredictable. Companies spend millions on getting their products advertised, even if you have the best thing since sliced bread, chances are it won't get noticed unless you have the right publicity. And if you're smart enough to come up with a winning system, you'd probably take care not to draw attention to yourself. Furthermore, it's likely to be a complex method so it wouldn't be easy to figure out. Also, a lot of people look down on gambling, many religious people think it's a sin, or at best foolish. Others are quite happy buying their weekly lottery ticket and having a little dream, but actually putting some time and effort into finding a winning system? not a chance.
And another thing... ;)
There are plenty of other gambling opportunities, such as poker and sports betting, where you CAN get a real advantage (even the mathematicians say so). I know someone who's made a good living playing poker for over 25 years. If there are consistent winners, there must be consistent winning methods, so if they haven't managed to keep them secret (as you assume), why are the bookies still in business?
Well nothing is that easy - if you know how to win - then there is as much work hiding what you are up to - as it was to get where you are.
I am saying that i spend 4K to learn how to beat the game and on the way meet does who already does - ain't easy making a living - even if you know how to win.
As you can not burn your bridge at home - as then you would not be able to play for peanuts - witch does not month up to rent, food and luxury.
So what is the option - traveling witch means expensive and time.
Then if some one work it wont be much of that either.
And even if there is opportunity to travel - some one should not play to big as you would like to be welcome back.
Sport betting same issue as above - i know many who been ban or limited - that is on line and with bookies.
So what ever some one knows and can do - it allways as much about hide and seek as it is about winning.
@ Bayes So let s hope that there is a winning method and they are keeping it secret.
@ego We are speaking here about a method(imaginery) that doesn have to do with VB or Bias that need traveling and tracking etc.
The sad thing about the Roulette Forums nowdays is that noone is still passioned in beating the game.
In the old days the forums were full of new ideas and testing and engineering and tweaking....
Now more ppl are expirienced and tired from searching and testing and they know that 99.9 % there can t be a winning method.....so the forums are dead.
@RouletteExplorer ...
Yes i understand what you mean - i remember when VLS was new and i remember the forum before that - it was like a small family with new ideas.
Even if i don't play roulette systems i do admit i believe there exist a Chance to win long term.
It depends on bankroll and risk of ruin.
Some times i can find some topics from different users and think for my self that if they would be togher as one topic - some one would have a full working playing model and it would not be
any need to look any further.
Cheers
Yes ego. Everything you just said are so true.
Why bet selections can't work:
Suppose you have a bet selection that keeps the progression from getting out of hand, then that means there is SOMETHING limited, and stream of results is not really random. For example your bet selection ensures, that there would not be more than 12 blacks in a row. In this case you can win flat betting - just wait for that event to almost happen and then bet, so in the example bet wait for 12 blacks and then bet red, you would always win. Or start afater five blacks with marty, you would never lose. Any bet selection that could do that could be also transformed into one which wins flat betting, just wait for a win...
Another approach to "holy grail" - if you could avoid lose more than once every 37 spins, you would have positive expectation. If you play a number and on average every 37 spins you correctly bet two times when your number won't hit (you don't bet and it does not hit), you have and advantage 1/37 over casino. You can even "progress" on this idea - if you bet that number won't hit but it hits, you are 35 units down (because you didn't make a profit) and you have to correctly bet more 35 times when it won't hit to return to positive expectation. If you could somehow do it, you would be a winner. Find a formula how to guess it long term, and you win long term until shit happens, flat betting. Something like if number slept more than 30 spins last time and now it sleeps also more than 30 spins, it won't hit at the same spin number as last and also at same spin number as one before last last time, so you don't bet in those two cases, then add that after a number did hit four times in a row, you don't bet it, or if it just hit two times, then you don't bet it after it's next apperaence and so on... just a thought.
""""Suppose you have a bet selection that keeps the progression from getting out of hand, then that means there is SOMETHING limited, and stream of results is not really random. For example your bet selection ensures, that there would not be more than 12 blacks in a row. In this case you can win flat betting - just wait for that event to almost happen and then bet, so in the example bet wait for 12 blacks and then bet red, you would always win. Or start afater five blacks with marty, you would never lose. Any bet selection that could do that could be also transformed into one which wins flat betting, just wait for a win...""""
Suppose you have a bet selection that keeps the progression from getting out of hand, then that means there is SOMETHING limited,
No bet selection is more limited than an other bet selection.
For example your bet selection ensures, that there would not be more than 12 blacks in a row. In this case you can win flat betting - just wait for that event to almost happen and then bet, so in the example bet wait for 12 blacks and then bet red, you would always win.
No bet selection can ensure ANYTHING.
The example u just mentioned is already tested and it fails.
Or start afater five blacks with marty, you would never lose. Any bet selection that could do that could be also transformed into one which wins flat betting, just wait for a win.
This is also tested and it fails.
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Bet selection can t favour us in any way...it is proven over the years by all the roulette explorers.
Ps. Mr ore I really don't have anything against you , but its sad to mention or to test the old losing ideas....it is just making us going back instead of forward.
That's why bet selections+progressions can't work, because if they could, you could make it win flat betting by just waiting. Bet selection can't favor us, but you won't find working MM either. So we have to thing about bet selection actually, but this is where MAGIC would be needed ;D Find that, and you control random, then you can control universe ;D LoL
By the way it was my poorly described attampt at "proof by contradiction" :D , or at least example of something stupid. You are absolutely right it won't work. We are all fools and asylum is waiting for us to come :P
""""""We are all fools and asylum is waiting for us to come """""
Maybe this is true ;D
But we have to try harder ! Hahahahahahha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I think a winner progression should progress when we are winning and not when we are losing.
With this way the "downs" will become smaller and the "Ups" will become bigger.
Its also something I have done before. It kind of works, but you need to reset your progression as soon as you're in a new high bankroll(profit) otherwise it just keeps betting more and more until you reach your bankroll limit. Also if you are half way your progression and loses 29 times in a row, chances are your bankroll will suffer, actually you are gpnna lose the very last chips you have.
Tweak to this would be a progression that reduces losses faster when you lose than it grows when you win.
I.e:
You win, move one step on right.
You lose, move two steps on left.
With the right progression this means you only need to win at least half many times as you lose to make a profit... which is purely awesome.
And any kind of bad luck will bring you back to betting 1,1,1,1 (the smallest unit in the progression) over and over again.
Plus, you can add tweaks to that, like a progression that lets you bet twice your bet to acvomodate events like BRBRBRBRBR alternating, and if you really lose it, then just then, you move back two step in progression,
etc.
Progression for two dozens - double up bet on lose, half your bet on win. It is basically Fibonacci on two dozens. It does not work, but it is SO close, if only there were not those holes...
Took approximately 2200 spins in this quick to actually lose (I would not play such big bets for real like those in that drawdown in the third image...).
Or a "trigger" version - wait in virtual mode for two long losing series in a small time frame, and after a hit wait for somewhat smaller losing series and start with (16,16,0) or whatever, on wins half bets and hope you won't get unlucky.
Or after several wins with "normal" mode add those wins and then half it - this way you can make it positive progression. In case of big bets back zero, but do not consider it hitting a lose or a win, ignore result. Do not back zero with small bets.
@ nitrix and mr.ore - how does your progression look like - would you mind post them.
My self i test fibo as i find it best - even with out the need to reset two bets back after a win - as if there is strike distribution you just let the one's recoup any loses.
I test in on even money bet.
1 1 1 2 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89
Cheers
Here is 400.000 and its not up as you go - but just want to show that is no need for that ...
I did run this for 1.000.000 but lost the screen-shot - it end up positive using fibo - even if the progression tank once.
If i remember it correct it was only a 12 step fibo - now i search progrssion from Frank Barstow witch made some nice 15 to 18 step fibo for even money bets - would be nice to play around with.
(link:://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5940/experimentcz8.jpg)
Fibo is interesting progression, the basic idea of it is that with decent hit ratio it recovers loses, but not in one hit, thus allowing playing lower limits tables. In ECs next bet is a sum of two previous, you actually start with (0) 1 and continue 1 2 3 5..., for dozens it is a sum of last three bets divided by payout, rounded up, on win you delete last three numbers. For two dozens it is doubling up on lose and halving on win, because you can't delete more than one number. For five lanes it is *5 on lose and /5 on win. The idea is still same... It can work also on number.
You can get this with fibonacci on number if you are lucky enough (max. bet 100 units though):
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but the system is a failure anyway ...
Quote from: mr.ore on Sep 19, 04:11 PM 2011
Fibo is interesting progression, the basic idea of it is that with decent hit ratio it recovers loses, but not in one hit, thus allowing playing lower limits tables. In ECs next bet is a sum of two previous, you actually start with (0) 1 and continue 1 2 3 5..., for dozens it is a sum of last three bets divided by payout, rounded up, on win you delete last three numbers. For two dozens it is doubling up on lose and halving on win, because you can't delete more than one number. For five lanes it is *5 on lose and /5 on win. The idea is still same... It can work also on number.
You can get this with fibonacci on number if you are lucky enough (max. bet 100 units though):
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but the system is a failure anyway ...
Very cool mr.ore and let me say i can learn from you as you from me.
One thing i learn is that playing even money there is no need to raise the first three bets.
That is 111 or +1+0-1 and this is due we get chop or having certan strike ratio ...
Same apply for dozen - try it and you will see the effect ...
When i test dozen i use a line like 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 4 6 and so on ...
Cheers
mr ore, on your double dozen bet the third graph----even with a meltdown it still eventually went up...whats that terrible about that?
bests
Quote from: mr.ore on Sep 19, 04:11 PM 2011
... It can work also on number.
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but the system is a failure anyway ...
How would the fib look like for betting on numbers pls?
Betting with a losing progression on Ecs or on dozens or on numbers its the same thing...the odds don t change....so in the end it will end up as a loser
Quote from: mr.ore on Sep 19, 02:59 PM 2011
Progression for two dozens - double up bet on lose, half your bet on win. It is basically Fibonacci on two dozens. It does not work, but it is SO close, if only there were not those holes...
Took approximately 2200 spins in this quick to actually lose (I would not play such big bets for real like those in that drawdown in the third image...).
MORE what was the bet seletion used for this? and how do you mean half your bet on a win ,does this mean go up on a win by half.
Oh damn. So I'm a fervant "odds guy" and I believe things in the long run always gets balanced. Thus, you can't really predict if the next spin will be working for you or agaisnt you.... but in the long run, its ALWAYS balanced, meaning there'll be as many Blacks than Reds.
I already posted earlier my point of view on bet selections, now it appears with further testing that a static progression will never work. If you apply statistics formula, the profits your progression can make will eventually be lost with the same entropy as when you won them.
Exemple: 1/1, 3/3 on two dozens:
(Remember in a balanced world, dozens loses every two wins)
1/1, you win, +1 profit
1/1, you win, +2 profit
1/1, you lose, back to 0.
(you lost, move in the progression)
3/3, win, +3
3/3, win, +6
3/3, lost, back to 0.
Another way to look at this is from a Lw registry:
1,1,1 progression.
WWW, +3
WWL, +1
WLW, +1
WLL, -1
LWW, +1
LWL, -1
LLW, -1
LLL, -3
Total: 0 <--- break even. It ALWAYS does.
I showed flat betting 1,1,1 for simplicity sake but try with your progression guys, you'll get the same results, except it'll much more time to list all the Lw outcomes.
SO. Progressions (at least static ones) and bet selections get me nowhere.
I'm dedicating my night thinking out of the box, I already got a few ideas, lets see how it turns out.
Quote from: mr.ore on Sep 19, 02:59 PM 2011
Progression for two dozens - double up bet on lose, half your bet on win. It is basically Fibonacci on two dozens. It does not work, but it is SO close, if only there were not those holes...
Took approximately 2200 spins in this quick to actually lose (I would not play such big bets for real like those in that drawdown in the third image...).
This statement by Mr. Ore is exactly what I've been pondering the last couple of days.
Meaning, I've been rethinking my penchant for long, steep progressions. Granted, the longer and steeper the progression, the greater chance that we may never go all the way to the end and thus always be a winner, but in reality, can most of us make a $1500 bet to keep from losing $6000 when we know that if we lose the $1500 bet, we will have to make a, for instance, $2500 next.
Me thinks there are few of us with nerves of steel to make those bets, therefore, long progressions are probably unrealistic. I even find myself balking a little when making very large bets even just testing some system. I think to myself, could I make this bet for real money? I'd hate to find out right when I need to make the bet and then I realize that I don't have the guts. Because by the time you need to make that bet you can bet that you're very deep in the hole.
G
See :.genuinewinner.com/truth.html (link:://:.genuinewinner.com/truth.html) which explains in plain language how roulette can and cannot be beaten.
Progression does not help. The only possible exceptions are:
1. If you already have an edge with accuracy of bet selection being better than random
2. Your progression allows you to sustain winnings, based on events that may never happen in your lifetime. But IF you lost, then you could lose very big.
3. Your progression somehow exploited streaks. But streaks are fickle. You would need to determine which streaks are more than just typical fluctuation. But this still comes back to increasing accuracy of predictions.
There are people making money with roulette cosnsistently. But I've never know one who uses progression to earn a living from it. The closest is someone that has had a good run of luck. But if you test their method more extensively, you see it has no merit.
So you can have 100 people applying the same system. Maybe 50 will be ahead $5000 each, and convinced their system works. The other 50 will be down $5100 each. The casino still wins. That is the house edge.
If you want a very simple progression strategy that does quite well, try this:
Start by noting your bankroll, and bet 1 chip on red. If you lose, increase bet by 1. When you win, decrease bet by 1. After each win, check your bankroll. If you are UP on the start's bankroll by X amount, reset back to 1 chip on red. X amount can be whatever you want, but you dont want it to be too small.
A more agressive approach is dont set X's value. Just keep going until you are happy.
I also read a very good post on VLS, how you can turn 30$ into 30'000$ in 3 months.
Basically, you're aiming for 10% winnings of your total bankroll. From 30$, that is 3$. So devided into 3 units, it's 1$ chips. Simply win 3 units, everyone can have that at some point using any systems. Then quit for the day.
The next day's session, you'd have to do the same but with your new bankroll of 33$. 10% of 33 is 3.30$. So you'll be betting 1.10$ this time and also expect 3 wins.
The day after, you're at 36.30$. And so on and so on.
Notice how we didn't take any useless risks, or went into any crazy progressions or bet selections. The worse that could happen is run into a HUGE BADLUCK (you know the one that makes your system usually lose) and your losses would be of.... get ready.... a mere starting 30 bucks.
If you did it right, here's a table:
Month 1: 30$ -> 300$ (10% grow in 30 days)
Month 2: 300$ -> 3'000$ (...)
Month 3: 3'000$ -> 30'000$. (...)
You get the picture. At least, if I had a winning safe enough system, that's how I'd play.
Quote from: nitrix on Sep 19, 11:31 PM 2011
Simply win 3 units, everyone can have that at some point using any systems. Then quit for the day.
I have seen a few people who thought they had a system that would win as little as 1 unit every day. As their bank got larger, the units got larger.
At some point it always failed. None that I know of who started ever kept going. They all hit the wall and gave up. It's not as easy as it seems.
Your 30 unit stop loss keeps the amount of each loss down, but I'm afraid there will be quite a few of them.
I have often thought that we should try this approach with every system posted and see which one can go the longest. We might learn a lot from such an exercise.
What say ye?
I'm still debating whether it's a good idea or not. You sounds very rational and I don't want to jump into tiring testing if it might not get me anywhere. After 3 years of experimenting with randomness & RNGs (I have never entered a casino once in my life, mind me), I have still yet to see something promising.
Every time it just looks insanely "on to something" but when you really turn it upside down, it won't work as expected.
It's tiring. I was hoping this thread could lead me to something. I eliminated progressions and bet selections, but I cannot figure out what do we have left (appart from VB, dealer signatures, and other black magical things).
I'm pretty sure randomness obeys to some set of rules, we programmed into computers, there must be a way to reverse engineer that, I mean, geeez! I seen this thing on YouTube with Quantum physics, they have the same problems. Atoms have random states and they cannot predict with any accuracy at all what the next state might be.
It's a much bigger question that not only applies to Roulette. Whoever finds a solution to beat randomness, let me tell you the whole world will owe you something. That's a major discovery.
As for myself, I'm going to bed now, working on a method to make a profit and quit before its too late. Hit&run looks like the only solution from now on, but how can you make a living of Hit&run ?
I should really be sleeping...
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Start by noting your bankroll, and bet 1 chip on red. If you lose, increase bet by 1. When you win, decrease bet by 1. After each win, check your bankroll. If you are UP on the start's bankroll by X amount, reset back to 1 chip on red. X amount can be whatever you want, but you don't want it to be too small.
I've tried this a little bit, aiming for 20-25u as a win, setting a stop-loss of 100. Doesn't half swing around a bit, there's highs & lows & not much time inbetween, but something I've still got in my mind .
Quote from: GLC on Sep 19, 08:03 PM 2011
Me thinks there are few of us with nerves of steel to make those bets, therefore, long progressions are probably unrealistic. I even find myself balking a little when making very large bets even just testing some system. I think to myself, could I make this bet for real money? I'd hate to find out right when I need to make the bet and then I realize that I don't have the guts. Because by the time you need to make that bet you can bet that you're very deep in the hole.
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carrying on from above, a shorter variation on Steve's suggestion, is to play to a stop-loss of 15u, aim for +1u. Once you get to a drawdown of 15u, you're probably betting 5 or 6 units, it's about this time that things can spiral out of control quickly - the possible swing down can come very rapidly, losing just another 3 or 4 spins & you've more than doubled your drawdown & you also start getting into territory where it gets harder to get back to zero. 15u feels like a kind of tipping point to me - i never really feel in control once that point has been passed. Prevention is the best form of cure.
Try it betting for a single to form - i doubled a bankroll, then decided to ignore the stoploss & ended up where i began, about to summon up the energy to give it another go..
Quote from: nitrix on Sep 19, 11:31 PM 2011
I also read a very good post on VLS, how you can turn 30$ into 30'000$ in 3 months.
Basically, you're aiming for 10% winnings of your total bankroll. From 30$, that is 3$. So devided into 3 units, it's 1$ chips. Simply win 3 units, everyone can have that at some point using any systems. Then quit for the day.
The next day's session, you'd have to do the same but with your new bankroll of 33$. 10% of 33 is 3.30$. So you'll be betting 1.10$ this time and also expect 3 wins.
The day after, you're at 36.30$. And so on and so on.
Notice how we didn't take any useless risks, or went into any crazy progressions or bet selections. The worse that could happen is run into a HUGE BADLUCK (you know the one that makes your system usually lose) and your losses would be of.... get ready.... a mere starting 30 bucks.
If you did it right, here's a table:
Month 1: 30$ -> 300$ (10% grow in 30 days)
Month 2: 300$ -> 3'000$ (...)
Month 3: 3'000$ -> 30'000$. (...)
You get the picture. At least, if I had a winning safe enough system, that's how I'd play.
@ nitrix
I think you made a very good point - it is rare to see pepole write about Capitalization ...
Do you have a link to that topic at VLS ...
Cheers
@ego, here it is: link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=17382.0 (link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=17382.0)
I do not particularly agree with everything the member says, though he had really good points.
(Read from Mr Green's post #3).