"Progression-MM" is OUR ONLY POWER

[RouletteExplorer]

In the game of roulette we have the mathimatical disadvantage.
No FLAT betting bet selection can win over the long run because there are NO better bet selections that others...they are all the same and they are all losing with the mathimatical rate of -2.7.

A person that has explored roulette for several years comes to a final conclusion (like Turbo Genius did too)

The conclusion is that IF there is a way to beat this negative expectation game is with the power of Progression-Money Managment (MM) .

What we have to look out with this kind of play is the table limit(max bet)

For example in most Casinos the maximum bet per single number is 20 chips on it.

So IF we engineer a progression that is not going over 20 chips per number and we can win in the long run (1 million spins) then we have the ultimate system that we are ALL looking for.

The problem with this kind of play is that we need  massive BR to be able to face the bad moments(fluxuations) of the game sessions....

Can we ever lose 1 session??? Of cource we can ! There is a possibility that we will never lose until we die but there is a possibility that we can lose even from the 1st visit ! Its Roulette what we are talcking about!

So in my opinion the only way is to have 3 BRs.... yes 3 Massive Brs.....

It will be very hard to lose all 3....but even if we do , we will have taken our shot to become rich from this game.
We wll be playing with the best options that this game can provide us(best possible progression....

Do some of you have the ILLUSION that a bet selection can make a deference? IF YES then that s ok  use the Progression with ur bet selection.....we care about the progression.

There are rumors that Turbo G may have found the H.G.
IF this is true (only he knows it) I bet it s a system with a smart and safe progression (to be able to overcome the bad fluxuations) that of cource needs a MASSIVE BR.

Would you ppl like to engineer a progression like I am talking about?
Thanks

[RouletteExplorer]

The most interesting topic on this forum is here and noone replyes ... LoL

[RouletteExplorer]

[hanshuckebein]

that would be an absolute progression then. although I find the idea fascinating ... to me it's a bit like the loch ness monster. everybody believes that it must exist but nobody has ever seen it.

there are two "unbeatable progressions" out there that I know of. one was invented by kurt von haller the other one by fritz werntgen. quiete a while ago I tested the first one with my usual test spins and it busted. the second one I've never tested. but from what I read it does not work either.

but as I've mentioned, the idea is fascinating.

cheers

hans

[RouletteExplorer]

If there is a progression that works it is not for the eyes of the public....so i don t care to hear about progressions that have beed published.

[Skakus]

 
I suppose whether you end up winning or losing is beside the point.

But does anyone know of a progression or MM that always out performs flat betting over a maximum of 100 or so spins?

[nitrix]

>> I'll repost something I posted very recently on the forum and adapt it to your view on the subject:

Roulette have always been, in my opinion, a game of even chances, just like baccarat. You have losing strikes, winning strikes, trends, z-scores, the probabilities behind and everything... that is all similar.

The advantage with roulette comes with the fact you can decide to risk less to win more, or risk more to win less. For example, the dozens. Someone could decide to play safer and bet two dozens (1 chip each), You then have 2 out of 3 chances of winning 1 unit, that's awesome... but in the counter part, when you lose, you lose 2 units, the same 2 units you won before.

So if you were to have everything "quite" balanced "enough", you'd lose just as much as you win. And that bring us back to even money bets. With even money you, OR win your bet, OR lose your bet, nothing else, nothing more.

I think that's what you mean by "experienced players" who always come to the same conclusion.

Roulette works that way. In the long run, you get nowhere. At all. That's why they added the "0" to turn a neutral expectation game into a negative expectation game.

Now, because there's 2,7% odds against us, we must bet more money as we're playing to make sure our few profits don't get eaten by the house edge.

If we want to beat the roulette, you need a serious money management plan.
It has to be a progression. Positive, negative, with a regression or many triggers, I doesn't really matter, anything that works.

But it have to be some sort of progression.
Simply that.

Here's the problem, how do you know when to rise or lower your bet?
That's the question guys.

>> Tip 1: Somebody suggested me to have a regression right after the first win. Something like 2-1-3-4-5, just because if you're losing on your second bet, you're still making +1 unit profit and locking the other one safely.

>> Tip 2: You can expect ANY pattern to form (BRBRBR. BBBBBB, RRRRRR, name it) for minimum 29 spins if you're gonna play 1 million spins.

From there I don't have any clue where to go from.
The sure thing is we think alike RouletteExplorer

[RouletteExplorer]

Yes very nice post nitrix and thanks you for ur reply.

i agree with anything you just said.

I just think that the game of roulette is not only about the Ecs...this is our only deference.

[RouletteExplorer]

Thanks but the point of this Topic is for all of us to work on a MM. 

[birdhands]

I'm very interested in exactly what you're talking about.  Please keep it up.  I'm focusing my time and energy on learning how to code RX right now.

[RouletteExplorer]

I don t have to keep up anything my friend, exept trying to engireer a progression

[RouletteExplorer]

The best progression that I have ever seen on the Ecs is the PLUSCOUP.
Can we tweak it to be a winner?

[birdhands]

I don't have to keep up anything my friend, exept trying to engireer a progression

Not sure what you mean or what you think I meant; but just to be clear, I was trying to be enthusiastically supportive.

[LuckoftheIrish]

I have changed my views over the years regarding the possibility of a MM/Progression type plan winning in the long run.  I do not think it is possible.  Granted you can win for a long time, but eventually you will hit the nemesis patterns and your bankroll will turn negative eventually.

I myself have programmed multiple MM plans that beat the Zumma tester books, and some have even beaten over 1 million RNG 8 deck baccarat shoes.  But eventually, they all start losing and losing badly.

I have tried everything: differential betting, negative progressions, positive progressions, parlays, Oscars Grind variations etc. 

[GLC]

I take it this means you are looking for a bet selection that will win flat betting.