This is a system that developed while I was tweaking the "Very near infallible Roulette system". That system is way too complicated and almost impossible to play except at home with pen and paper and time.
This is an Even Chance system.
We will use the R/B even chance.
Wait until you have 2 colors in a row. Either RR or BB.
We then bet for a change of color. We will bet at most 6 times for the change. If it doesn't change in 6 bets, wait until it does change to resume betting.
We are going to use a progression that is based on the "Philiberte" system found in the Monte Carlo Anecdotes. Atlanta's progression in his latest excellent system "Matrix Trendgrabber" was also used. It's not exact but close.
1-2-4
1-3-6
2-4-8
2-6-12
3-6-12
3-9-18
4-8-16
4-12-24
5-10-20
5-15-30
7-14-28
7-21-42
9-18-36
9-27-54
12-24-48
12-36-72
15-30-60
15-45-90
We will follow A's rules in that we stay at the same level as long as we don't lose 3 times in a row. After each win, we return to the lowest number in the level and start again. If we lose 3 times in a row, we move to the next level and play the same way. Even though these numbers if added together equal a large number of units, not to worry because we will be winning as we move up the progression thus keeping our drawdowns under control.
Getting back to playing rules, as long as we are winning 1 time out of 3 betting for 2 colors in a row to change, we will stay at the 1st level. After each win, we will wait until we have another 2 of the same color to resume betting for a chop. If we get 6 losses in a row it will mean that the same color has hit 8 times in a row. This will happen from time to time.
As long as we are in the 1st level, we will be in the profit accumulation mode. In profit accumulation mode, we only bet for 2 in a row to change. Once it changes, we wait again for 2 in a row before resuming betting for the chop.
If we lose 3 in a row at the 1st level, we will be down 7 units and will immediately move to the 2nd level of 1-3-6 and we are now in the recovery mode. We will continue betting for a change. When we get a change we will start betting for the chops to continue. This is the difference between profit accumulation mode and recovery mode.
If we are in profit accumulation mode, we only bet for a streak to chop.
If we are in recovery mode, we bet for streaks to end and for chops to continue. Our progression continues according to the betting rules no matter what mode we are in and even as we move from 1 mode to the next.
Once we are at a new level, we stay at that level until we fully recover our losses and then we drop back to level 1 and wait until we have 2 in a row to begin betting for a chop.
Here's a short example:
R No bet
B No bet
B No bet but 2 in a row so bet 1 for chop
R Win +1 in profits Now wait for 2 in a row
B No bet
R No bet
R No bet but 2 in a row so bet 1 for chop
R Lose, bet 2 for chop
R Lose, bet 4 for chop
B Win +1 so (+1+1=+2) wait for 2 in a row
B Bet 1 for chop
B Bet 2 for chop
B Bet 4 for chop
B Lost 3 in a row so we are -7 and enter recovery mode and also move to the 1-3-6 level.
B Lost 1 bet 3 for chop
R Win +2 -7 = -5 since we are in recovery mode we start betting on chops to continue so we now bet 1 in the 2nd level of 1-3-6
B Win +1-5 = -4 bet 1 for chops to continue
B Lost -1-4=-5 Bet 3 for streak to chop
R Win +3-5=-2 Bet 1 for chops to continue
B Win +1-2=-1 Bet 1 for chops to continue
R Win +1-1=0 We have recovered all losses, not we are back to profit accumulation mode waiting for 2 in a row to form so we can bet for it to chop and we are also back to 1st level of 1-2-4. We are still +2 overall. No bet yet.
B No bet
R No bet
R Bet 1 for chop
B Win +1+2=+3 No bet. Wait for streak to form
B Bet 1 for chop
R Win +1+3=+4 No bet. Still in profit accumulation mode. Wait for streak of 2
R Bet 1 for chop
R Lose, bet 2 for chop
R Lose, bet 4 for chop
B Win +1+4=+5 No bet. Still in profit mode. wait for streak
B Streak has formed bet 1 for chop
B lose, bet 2 for chop
B Lose, bet 4 for chop
B Lose, -7 go to recovery mode and level 2. continue betting for streak to end. Bet 1 unit, the 1st bet of level 1
B Lose, -8 Bet bet 3 for streak to end
R Win +3-8=-5 bet 1 for chops to continue
B Win +1-5=-4 bet 1 for chops to continue
B Lose bet 3 for streak to end
B Lose bet 6 for streak to end
R Win +3-4=-1 bet 1 for chops to continue
B Win +1-1=0 Reset to profit accumulation mode and drop to 1st bet level.
Seems to be solid as a rock. So far!
GLC
GLC this is EXACTLY along the lines of the way i have been thinking!!! Best of Luck Arizona G!
1st tests hot off the wheel. Single zero wheel. BetVoyager. Demo mode.
+10
42 spins
-7 largest drawdown
+10
63 spins
-16
+10
58 spins
-10
+10
45 spins
-7
:thumbsup: so far!
If this holds up with a little practice, we can play it in a live casino without pen and paper.
Of course, how can it possibly hold up?
It does have a couple of good points. 1. We don't bet the same pattern all the time and 2. We don't bet every bet.
So far the games have been relatively short. Averaging about 50 spins. Then take a 10 minute break before starting the next attack. The break may not add anything to whether the system wins or not, but it let's me zone out for 10 minutes or so. Not on BV demo mode, but down at my local airball machine.
If I hadn't been here about 50 times before, I'd be a little excited about how this is playing.
Unfortunately, I do expect it to bomb out soon. It's a mystery why these things start out doing well and then after a while the streak from hell shows up and "Pow! Right in the kisser!"
GLC
A great discovery made - man this is good and it is due to MISTAKE I made.
I have decided to program the progression only to test it, but I have coded it badly and I just make a step on progression if bet lose, but level at the stage if it wins, and finally level at last bet until back in profit. Reset only if new high. It won over 10k spins, and max. bet was those 90 units, WOW!
It was on no zero roulette though, as always anything good is due to mistake...
Add sensible stoploss and you have a longterm winner.
With zero and original progression as it should be.
If it is in recovery mode and some bets wins and then lose come (all on chops - ie. RBRB(B) aka WWWW(L)), but not all loses are recovered, should it wait for another two in a row before start betting again on chop, or just bet for chop until recovered? IMHO this waiting does not help much, and it is all about progression.
I want to extend the progression, I figured out that the base line for it is
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 12, 15, 19, 24, 30, 38, 48, 60, 75, 94, 118, 148, 185, ...
which is a line defined like
d(0) = 1
d(n) = round_up( q/(q-1)*d(n-1) )
for q = 5
and then stages are d(n)*1,d(n)*2,d(n)*4 and d(n)*1,d(n)*3,d(n)*6
so it would be
1, 2, 4,
1, 3, 6,
2, 4, 8,
2, 6, 12,
3, 6, 12,
3, 9, 18,
4, 8, 16,
4, 12, 24,
5, 10, 20,
5, 15, 30,
7, 14, 28,
7, 21, 42,
9, 18, 36,
9, 27, 54,
12, 24, 48,
12, 36, 72,
15, 30, 60,
15, 45, 90,
19, 38, 76,
19, 57, 114,
24, 48, 96,
24, 72, 144,
30, 60, 120,
30, 90, 180,
38, 76, 152,
38, 114, 228,
48, 96, 192,
48, 144, 288,
60, 120, 240,
60, 180, 360,
75, 150, 300,
75, 225, 450,
94, 188, 376,
94, 282, 564,
118, 236, 472,
118, 354, 708,
148, 296, 592,
148, 444, 888,
185, 370, 740,
185, 555, 1110,
and so on...
is it correct formula?
Well, I tested the progression till 450 biggest unit bet, so it is theoretically playable at many online casinos. One zero roulette. No waiting for trigger, just progression on every spin. While there was a big drawdown, it recovered within limits. Very, very risky, but probably long term winner...
What happens to the pattern when the 0 hits?
I tried implementing it with patterns too, and if zero hits, I ignore it and bet another step in progression. There is not much difference if we play it just a progression without any tracking/waiting at all, every spin, only it is faster.
So you think this could be a long term winner?
Sorry for hijacking thread, but the progression caught my interest. I tried to "reverse" it:
4,2,1,
6,3,1,
8,4,2,
12,6,2,
12,6,3,
18,9,3,
16,8,4,
24,12,4,
20,10,5,
30,15,5,
28,14,7,
42,21,7,
36,18,9,
54,27,9,
48,24,12,
72,36,12,
60,30,15,
90,45,15,
and this was accidental result on normal one-zero roulette (max. bet 90):
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It was a luck, of course, but it might be interesting info for some forum members anyway, so I put it there.
I think it can sometimes be long term winner. But for some people it will be quick loser ;D
It is failure, in the end. But the progression is interesting enough so that I might create greater and crazy progression and spend nice sunday afternoon (I'm having a flu and so I can't go out, I'm a sick person ;) )
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LOL mr.ore, get well soon mate
get well mr.Ore
Wow, Mr. Ore,
Thanks for taking this and running with it. You're welcome to hijack any of my systems. I more than appreciate your work.
I too was thinking that the tracking wasn't doing much.
So you think this can be played with almost any bet selection method because the progression is the key.
Would you mind coding in Atlantis' progression from his Matrix Trendgrabber system. It's much slower progression. Starts out
112
122
222
223
233
333
334
etc...
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6608.15 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6608.15)
Thanks
Wow. If Mr. Ore is excited then I'm off my rocker over here. Way to go GLC!
From your tests, it looks like a 500 unit or 1000 unit stop-loss would make this a long term winner.
Is it possible to program in a stop-loss and see how it works.
Also, could you explain your reverse progression. does that mean you start with 4 and if you lose you drop to 2 and then 1 and any win before 3 losses takes us back to 4? Since most wins are early in the 3 steps, it's a novel ideal.
What happens if we drop the 4 and just make it a reverse 2 step;
2-1
3-2
3-1
4-3
4-2
4-1
5-4
5-3
5-2
5-1
just thinking out loud.
It's nice to wake up to some stimulating activity on the forum. Sometimes it's a drag being so many time zones West of most of the members.
System 112,122,222,etc is not that good. Problem is that sooner or later increase in bet would be too low to take care of house limit, and then it is killed in endless spiral of death because there are table limits. It took some 25k spins before it tanked, but profits very very small.
It seems promising on no-zero only:
2,1,1,
2,2,1,
2,2,2,
3,2,2,
3,3,2,
3,3,3,
4,3,3,
4,4,3,
4,4,4,
5,4,4,
5,5,4,
5,5,5,
6,5,5,
6,6,5,
6,6,6,
7,6,6,
7,7,6,
7,7,7,
8,7,7,
8,8,7,
8,8,8,
9,8,8,
9,9,8,
9,9,9,
10,9,9,
10,10,9,
10,10,10,
leveling on 10
reset on new high
Too crazy even on no-zero, lol :D
But if you CAN play no-zero, play it!
Progression:
[reveal]2,1,
3,2,
3,1,
4,3,
4,2,
4,1,
5,4,
5,3,
5,2,
5,1,
6,5,
6,4,
6,3,
6,2,
6,1,
7,6,
7,5,
7,4,
7,3,
7,2,
7,1,
8,7,
8,6,
8,5,
8,4,
8,3,
8,2,
8,1,
9,8,
9,7,
9,6,
9,5,
9,4,
9,3,
9,2,
9,1,
10,9,
10,8,
10,7,
10,6,
10,5,
10,4,
10,3,
10,2,
10,1,
11,10,
11,9,
11,8,
11,7,
11,6,
11,5,
11,4,
11,3,
11,2,
11,1,
12,11,
12,10,
12,9,
12,8,
12,7,
12,6,
12,5,
12,4,
12,3,
12,2,
12,1,
13,12,
13,11,
13,10,
13,9,
13,8,
13,7,
13,6,
13,5,
13,4,
13,3,
13,2,
13,1,
14,13,
14,12,
14,11,
14,10,
14,9,
14,8,
14,7,
14,6,
14,5,
14,4,
14,3,
14,2,
14,1,
15,14,
15,13,
15,12,
15,11,
15,10,
15,9,
15,8,
15,7,
15,6,
15,5,
15,4,
15,3,
15,2,
15,1,
16,15,
[/reveal]
leveling on last step
no-zero roulette, first results
Do not play it even on no zero, great failure. I can't say how big the unit should be to make it working. Problem is that the longer the progression, the less it saves because it then play 50,49 - 50,48 - 50,47 and so on, the difference between two figures is small, and does not save enough units. Of course this is a more aggressive strategy.
Interesting idea would be to add such think to system after it reaches limits, for example something like:
1,2,4
1,3,6
2,4,8
2,6,12
4,2,1
6,3,1
8,4,2
12,6,2
of course much longer, it would break on 500 to see if theoretically it is possible to beat rng casino long term. The think is that after it lose so many steps, we might "expect" it to start hitting, lol - Gambler's fallacy ;)
But ignore theory - I can see on my graph that after some time it starts hitting, and it is needed to
a) survive it
b) recover it before another bad fluctuation
Great topic - thanks - it is not every day you read something fresh that trigger your mind.
I like the concept and the basic principal that the method is based upon.
I don't give much for the selection do as i think there is others that produce higher strike ratio witch we need if we don't won't to use one aggressive progression line.
My self test 111 223 xxx ... - works like clock work - thanks for the inspiration.
Quote from: GLC on Oct 16, 10:45 AM 2011
Wow, Mr. Ore,
Thanks for taking this and running with it. You're welcome to hijack any of my systems. I more than appreciate your work.
I too was thinking that the tracking wasn't doing much.
So you think this can be played with almost any bet selection method because the progression is the key.
Would you mind coding in Atlantis' progression from his Matrix Trendgrabber system. It's much slower progression. Starts out
112
122
222 Correction ...
223233333334
etc...
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6608.15 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=6608.15)
Thanks
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My opinion is that the line should be 111 122 223 - just my two cents ...
I will post a chart later today using 111 122 223 234 to illustrate how high strike ratio fix the issue with low bets ...
Quote from: mr.ore on Oct 16, 12:31 PM 2011
It seems promising on no-zero only:
2,1,1,
2,2,1,
2,2,2,
3,2,2,
3,3,2,
3,3,3,
4,3,3,
4,4,3,
4,4,4,
5,4,4,
5,5,4,
5,5,5,
6,5,5,
6,6,5,
6,6,6,
7,6,6,
7,7,6,
7,7,7,
8,7,7,
8,8,7,
8,8,8,
9,8,8,
9,9,8,
9,9,9,
10,9,9,
10,10,9,
10,10,10,
leveling on 10
reset on new high
baccarat no zero .
good job mr.ore.. :thumbsup:
I search for this post as find it very intressting ...
I been thinking to test this using Marigny and the law of series ...
When series chop with no singles present and you get 3.00 STD wich is not uncommon.
But it is very uncommon that you hit 3.00 STD where series chop being higher series only.
Singles has the value of 1
Series of two has the value of 0
Series of three has the value of 1
Does is that i would like to catch using the progression mention above.
So only when higher series are present and chop towards 3.00 STD would we recive draw-downs.
Series of four has the value of 2
Series of five has the value of 3
Series of six has the value of 4
Series of seven has the value of 5
And so on
Why not try 1,2,3,5 progression, and take small losses, instead of a rare killer?
Why not try 1,2,3,5 and always run the progressions if we win or not?
If the progression becomes negative or positive depends then on the random outcome.
Quote from: Ralph on Aug 05, 04:04 AM 2012
Why not try 1,2,3,5 progression, and take small losses, instead of a rare killer?
Why not try 1,2,3,5 and always run the progressions if we win or not?
If the progression becomes negative or positive depends then on the random outcome.
I am in panic mode at my job and also personal life which leaves me almost no time for forum.
If you have any new ideas on this topic, please post them for us. I at least have time to read them.
New ideas used on old ideas can sometimes be an improvement on the old idea.
GLC
I did some testing on BV European roulette. One problem is I have to bet tracking.
When we get two of the kind (red or black) we bet four times using progression 1,2,3,5.
If the outcome is four of the opposite we win 1+2+3+5.
If the first is a loss, and the second a win, the third and fourth a win we win 3+5
If the first and second is a loss, and we win the third and fourth we win 5
If the four first is a loss and the last win we are -1,
There are other combinations, some gives loss, the worse all lost -11.
I tested manual, somebody may run it a large number of trials using a script, to see it it can recover losses.
We may try to recover using 2 4 6 10.
I have much other testing to do, may try more when I got more time.
Quote from: ego on Aug 05, 03:18 AM 2012
I search for this post as find it very intressting ...
I been thinking to test this using Marigny and the law of series ...
When series chop with no singles present and you get 3.00 STD wich is not uncommon.
But it is very uncommon that you hit 3.00 STD where series chop being higher series only.
Singles has the value of 1
Series of two has the value of 0
Series of three has the value of 1
Does is that i would like to catch using the progression mention above.
So only when higher series are present and chop towards 3.00 STD would we recive draw-downs.
Series of four has the value of 2
Series of five has the value of 3
Series of six has the value of 4
Series of seven has the value of 5
And so on
Hi Ego, i have 2 questions on calculating ecart:
1. the values of each series length are input in the ecart formula? if so does a series of seven counts as five events? -or counts as one event and has the value of 5?
2. What is the "ideal" window of events to measure this imbalances?
Cheers,
Al
HI George,
I have a question, since I don't get at the moment....
If my win is at folowing stage :
1 2 3
1 3 6
2 4 8
2 6* here I would (finally) win
from where would my next bet be ?!?
Starting back at 1 2 3 ?
or would I go backwards from
2 4 8
1 3 6
1 2 4
or even reverse
4 2 1
6 3 1
4 2 1
?!?
Ray
You stay at the 2-6-12 level until you get a new high.
SO if you win at "6", then you bet "2", if it wins "2" again, if loss bet "6" and so on til new high
Then you can reset to the first level (1-2-4)
.....so I stay in the 2 6 12 progression sequence until I reach my last high.
Should the 2 6 12 loose I then move to 3 6 12 and after a win stay there till in plus
......if I loose that I move to 3 9 18 etc....
I think I got it now .
Thanks :D
yep thats the way :)
Quote from: Stepkevh on Aug 20, 09:23 AM 2012
You stay at the 2-6-12 level until you get a new high.
SO if you win at "6", then you bet "2", if it wins "2" again, if loss bet "6" and so on til new high
Then you can reset to the first level (1-2-4)
Thanks for the help Stepkevh. :thumbsup:
No problem GLC ;D
I'm a fast learner and most of the times understand something quickly :)
Did you ever ask what a trend look like ? and what its based upon ?
This is for better understanding about STD and probability, bell curve movement or reading random flow into current states, devision.
I believe in charting where you can see and observe the movement of the current states of the random flow.
Each state is its own property of events.
With the help of devision you can understand when the random flow current state grow and get stronger or getting weaker based upon what you aim to catch.
So you can read the random flows current states based upon math and probability calculations.
That way you can stop chasing for events and start to use tendency play where you embrace events.
Just to say ... Hey i can chart the random flow with pen and paper in a real casino,,, and read random current movement/states and understand when its hovering around the mean or getting imbalance in one other direction ... stronger or weaker based upon your choice of playing model.
You move from gamblers fallacy and use Markow Chains methodology of random property states.
You move into the territory where you trending based upon almost the same principals as some areas in stock market .
Marigny style and the math values behind the events.
Smaller series contra larger series.
This is for better understanding about STD and probability, bell curve movement or reading random flow into current states, devision.
1. Series of two has the value of 1
2. Series of three has the value of 0
3. Series of four has the value of 1
4. Series of five has the value of 2
5. Series of six has the value of 3
6. Series of seven has the value of 4
7. And so it continues
John Patrick style ... pick one dominant, one side of the distribution and stick to it.
See the random flow with two opposite colors as two roads with there own random flow of current states.
Good MM and three banks should do it.
Here is an simple chart that I did a long time ago with some values that you can use as reference.
(link:://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1018/ecartmb6.png)
Other playing model is to observe the regression towards the mean.
Singles has the value of 1
Series has the value of 1 (no matter length)
I will show the charting method with the probability and math behind the random states property.
Playing model is pretty much the same as above, but with different approach ...
does anyone still playing this method?
seems very interesting...
Adrian
Quote from: Serendipity on Jun 19, 03:05 PM 2013
does anyone still playing this method?
seems very interesting...
Adrian
Nobody plays anything here.....only testers hopping to find a golden egg one day.....this century,
next...who knows......probably never.
Quote from: Serendipity on Jun 19, 03:05 PM 2013
does anyone still playing this method?
seems very interesting...
Adrian
Yes it is very interesting to read what a trend I based upon, among other.
Don't worry so much about the golden eggs, I have them and sharing, among others.
You just have to pin point out and understand what is what.
No one would wait for a 3.0 STD and wait for events to show and bet, almost all gamblers are action players.
At least now you know that bell curve has no limits and that regression towards the mean is also a present state.
It can continue or end and imbalance can start to grow, so do you bet before that or after that happens and what is the odds, math and probability, well they are not the same.
You can convert this methodology I write about towards working playing models for blackjack, baccarat, roulette, sic bo and sport-betting ...
Its a big ocean with waves = current random property states with certain events that you can follow and understand and act upon.
HI GLC and everyone
Thanks for posting this great system; I have very good results
so far with it.
I also tried play it a bit differently to see the outcome
and it is extremely good as well.
The way I play is when for example there is two even chance
of the same color have come, I bet that the trend will continue......
using the same prgression as you have described above.
I stop on first win; otherwise If I lose I play for 6 spins
in a row.
I play same way for H/L; O/E.
Have u or someone else ine the forum tried to play it this way.......??
Cheers
Chris