Here as you wish both are winners
--when 100 or more in plus/it is must throughout night session/go for p1ss.
--Don't come with 100 to win 1000...opposite.
--After long piss restart.
--Good luck.
ps-if any errors in excel don't remind me if I put 3 instead of 4........too hot 38c
--it is sectors not lines
I know this is a dumb question, but would this work if it were two aunts?
:xd: :xd: :xd: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry FLAT.
It's just me; had to do that!!
Sam
.
hi, F_LAT_INO
can you explain rules?
Quote from: biagle on Jul 09, 05:50 PM 2012
hi, F_LAT_INO
can you explain rules?
All explained in excel,except it is sectors-PCWB-not lines,and 2 uncles
are taking em strongly.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 09, 05:35 PM 2012
I know this is a dumb question, but would this work if it were two aunts?
:xd: :xd: :xd: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry FLAT.
It's just me; had to do that!!
Sam
---LOL.....Your guitar and my mandoline could get us to Ophrey...with these 2 uncles.
Always trust your Uncles .... they're family.
hey! welcome back buddy!
how have u been???? long time no see
something is wrong if you play with your uncles balls
please can somebody explin me the simple rule of this
as english is not my first language
what to follow
the trigger ?
sector to play
thank
There are 2 methods involved/that's why 2 uncles with large BR play it/
--First method start betting on last 4 sectors/after all 9 sectors hit/until lose,
then switch to furthest 5 sectors until los....cycle attack ends...restart with 4 last sectors.
1+ on a los 1- on a win/but could be more,look excel/
--Second method start betting last 5 sectors/same rules all 9 sectors must hit first/ until los,
switch to furthest 5 sectors/one furthest sector from the last 5/until los......restart
--Simple and profitable with 1000 ch.to win at least 100.....uncles are doing well..will let you
know after swimming.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Jul 10, 06:53 AM 2012
thank u - will try that on my lost sessions
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9791.msg85405#msg85405 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9791.msg85405#msg85405)
--And send example how you do it....tray 5 last vers.furthest 5...it is more
simple.
thank you flat for clarification
bankroll 1000 chip
big bankrool
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 10, 07:09 AM 2012
--And send example how you do it....tray 5 last vers.furthest 5...it is more
simple.
--And BTW you steal couple hours of my today swimming as i have checked your first session
in excel with your numbers/check it up pls./as simply didn't believe it....as my friend no session
over 300 spins can possibly go without several long streaks and this yours of 185 finally did
it and won 171 chips.Have a look attachm.
good job
you can go swiming now
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 09, 06:15 PM 2012
---LoL.....Your guitar and my mandoline could get us to Ophrey...with these 2 uncles.
--Aunts would get em also.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Jul 10, 01:46 PM 2012
another queer session...smartlive airball.
loses flatbet and busted br of 1000 with progression :'(
Where did you see 1000 ch.busted...something you counting wrong mate.
Quote from: RFMAXX on Jul 10, 04:33 PM 2012
hi flat,
column i line 79. or do i overlook something?
cheers
--Many errors mate,but will fix it for couple days,but scan it to my private mail,as can't download
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 10, 04:46 PM 2012
--Many errors mate,but will fix it for couple days,but scan it to my private mail,as can't download
my dumb computer cannot open the excel sheet. could someone please mention the elements of the sectors and progression used in this system.
thanks
catalyst
@catalyst
maybe you have problems opening it because it's an xlsx file.
try the free software planmaker viewer. this works for me.
cheers
hans
Just want to be sure about the rules.
after 9 sectors have hit we are going to betting.
method 1:
last 4 sectors after lose switch to the other remaining 5 sectors until lose then repeat last 4 sectors. example:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9 all sectors have hit so bet 6,7,8,9
6 win
5 lose switch to 1,2,3,4,5
2 win
1 win
8 lose end cycle.
This was the easy part for me and understand method 1.
method 2:
last 5 sectors after lose switch to the other remaining 5 sectors but there are only 4 left so pick the sector after the last sector until lose then repeat. example:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9 all sectors have hit so bet 5,6,7,8,9
5 win
6 win
1 lose switch to 1,2,3,4 and sector 5 (is this right, because after 9,8,7,6 comes sector 5)
This i am not sure about what sector to choose after the switch from 5 last to 5 furthest.
Could someone clarify this for me thanks :thumbsup:
Quote from: peauke on Jul 11, 07:43 AM 2012
Just want to be sure about the rules.
after 9 sectors have hit we are going to betting.
method 1:
last 4 sectors after lose switch to the other remaining 5 sectors until lose then repeat last 4 sectors. example:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9 all sectors have hit so bet 6,7,8,9
6 win
5 lose switch to 1,2,3,4,5
2 win
1 win
8 lose end cycle.
This was the easy part for me and understand method 1.--correct
method 2:
last 5 sectors after lose switch to the other remaining 5 sectors but there are only 4 left so pick the sector after the last sector until lose then repeat. example:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9 all sectors have hit so bet 5,6,7,8,9
5 win
6 win
1 lose switch to 1,2,3,4 and sector 5 (is this right, because after 9,8,7,6 comes sector 5)-no correct
This i am not sure about what sector to choose after the switch from 5 last to 5 furthest.
Could someone clarify this for me thanks :thumbsup:
couse sectors 5 and 6 have hit in the meantime/as you are tracking this write down underline new sector and erase same overline/therefore your furthest sectors would 7,not 5
And btw 2 uncles done another mini session and now up something over 1ch.per a spin.
Decided not to continue and will start new session when they get it from Wiesbaden.
Except that they didn't strictly follow the rules as explained to Peauke couse they played
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
5w
6w
1l.....and since they didn't erase 5 and 6 above/nor did any erasing just to show all sectors hit/,they continued playing 1,2,3,4.5.....which really doesn't effect the game in whole.....but just reminder to
Ophis.
ok I'm getting different informations from different threads so i want to clarify smth.
WHEN do we assign 4(5) furthest/recent sectors
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9 trigger bet R Assign 4 recent 6789 # Assign 5 furthest 12345
7 W
2 L trigger bet F Assign 5 furthest 13456
Now....
do we choose teal way *assign on 1st trigger of a cycle*
or
do we choose purple way *assign furthest when we are about to bet on them*
are those FR assigning rules the same for 4/5 and 5/5 variant?
------------------------------------------------------
What is the progression for Cycles?
if Cycle profit <= -10 then rise units.
if Cycle profit >= +20 then lower units?
or
:: on Cycle L
if Cycle profit <= -10 then rise units.
:: on Cycle W
adjust units to balance -20..-30 =2 units # -30..-40=3 units # -40..-50=4 units etc
?
Hola Flat
I just wonder how you came up with 300 spins spin total? >:( In B@M casino its probably 10 hours of play. I just wonder about your strike rate. I know that you are an old school and you don't keep any records but can you give me a ball park figure?. You recommend at least 1000u BR and your win goal is 100u. I understand that you are way ahead playing this but can we get some breakdown?
Regards
Quote from: ophis on Jul 13, 08:20 AM 2012
ok I'm getting different informations from different threads so i want to clarify smth.
WHEN do we assign 4(5) furthest/recent sectors
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9 trigger bet R Assign 4 recent 6789 # Assign 5 furthest 12345
7 W
2 L trigger bet F Assign 5 furthest 13456
Now....
do we choose teal way *assign on 1st trigger of a cycle*--any effect is same
or
do we choose purple way *assign furthest when we are about to bet on them*--same here any
are those FR assigning rules the same for 4/5 and 5/5 variant?--yes
------------------------------------------------------
What is the progression for Cycles?
if Cycle profit <= -10 then rise units.--could happen in 2/3 consec.cycles
if Cycle profit >= +20 then lower units?--over 10
or
:: on Cycle L
if Cycle profit <= -10 then rise units.
:: on Cycle W
adjust units to balance -20..-30 =2 units # -30..-40=3 units # -40..-50=4 units etc--yes
?
Ophis mate,
the first 2 questions do as you wish or which is easier for you,but since most that are testing this
are doing it in 12345 fashion instead of 13456 you can do thatway.About balancing should be ok
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 13, 08:38 AM 2012
Hola Flat
I just wonder how you came up with 300 spins spin total? >:( In B@M casino its probably 10 hours of play. I just wonder about your strike rate. I know that you are an old school and you don't keep any records but can you give me a ball park figure?. You recommend at least 1000u BR and your win goal is 100u. I understand that you are way ahead playing this but can we get some breakdown?
Regards
--I do almost every night 330-400 spins,which is usual night session.Why 300 spins.....couse this
explicitly relays on repeaters which MUST happen throughout night session of about or more then 300 spins.Sometime you are having up and downg game half session,or losing one,therefore you
must have a large BR to play this.1000 ch.I personally never stated to play this with,but something like winning 100 with 1000.......I don't appoint any BR when going to casino...these that play clasic negative progression could make L/W......on losing I don't think therefore /w....LOL
About leveling Ophis,
Have a look last cycle in this attachem am just testing.
Am not very good in maths,but I think that our leveling isn't
as good as it should/you see when I play live am guided with chips
in front of me and am all doing from head with no strict rules/.
If we had lost that last cycle 4 spins earlier and would won 286 chips,
we still would be in minus here 96 chips,and back to bet 1 chip next cycle
with 96 chips down......you get my point here...we must also level staking scale
with W/L scale......any idea.....HELP FROM MATH GUYS
Ophis think that I got the idea........15% of each winning hand...example;
down=382 ch/as in attachement/with 9 ch.bet.....now if wins 4 times reduce
next bet by 15% of 382 on each bet which would be 38,2x4=152...382 minus 152=230....and reduce
back to 5 chips next bet....did some retesting on this and it seems ok....what do you think,will still
exploit this over weekend.
is really hard to understand your system .. any explications coz i cant understand anything from that Excel file
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 13, 12:00 PM 2012
Ophis think that I got the idea........15% of each winning....
i understand till that point.
Here 3 more attachm.from yesterday 3 weibaden sessions over 300 spins.
Quote from: ophis on Jul 13, 01:36 PM 2012
i understand till that point.
I will work over this over weekend and come up with level scale for both...stakings and overall score,
AND MAYBE SOME MATH GUY COULD POP UP IN THE MEANTIME.
Ophis have a look attachment.
indicator 50 not 60....typo
2 uncles hi from Wiesbaden on 2 tables.
Velika Hvala F_LAT_INO!
I will do some testing of this and get back to you with the results
Best wishes
B27
ONLY 1 SESSION WHICH FULFIL OUR RULES over the weekend
MUST SEE WITH FURTHER IMPORTANT INFO---see end of aimed session
2 uncles high up on 10000 meters,via plane and direct to Monte Carlo.
It is ready the bot? :question:
Quote from: jarabo002 on Jul 18, 03:35 PM 2012
It is ready the bot? :question:
Should ask Ophis.
two uncles will go by plane to monte carlo but after that drop they have to beg for money and return ticket...just thought :thumbsup:
Quote from: maestro on Jul 18, 04:26 PM 2012
two uncles will go by plane to monte carlo but after that drop they have to beg for money and return ticket...just thought :thumbsup:
I purposely send you graph with drop/others no drops/to hear your comment.
The TRACKER was set on bet max progress after los.....which is not what we are
going to do.
hope you know when to get in and get out..sort of know when to hold and know when to fold them as someone used to sing...good luck
Quote from: maestro on Jul 18, 04:37 PM 2012
hope you know when to get in and get out..sort of know when to hold and know when to fold them as someone used to sing...good luck
Always do 100 and bye
Not many sessions over 300 spins those days on Wiesbaden,
may be couse most Germans swimming on Adriatic sea now,
but anyhow 2 uncles did 2 sessions aiming 100.
Looking at "uncle results 13", it appears you are playing 5 sectors at a time, but on a loss are subtracting only 8. Here's an example (beginning on Line 50 of the spreadsheet)
# Sector Trigger Win Loss Units Amount
29 8
19 4
04 1
33 9
20 5 59148
15 6 23678 8- (why is this 8- ... should it be 10-?) .. this is the case for the rest of the spreadsheet
02 2 8+
04 1 12659 10- 10- 10- 1 end cycle attack
Thanks for correction WG,was thinking 5/5 and doing 4/5...too hot mate,wouldn't change anything anyhow,if it would you would inform us...good that you study it as you might find it very good.
Thanks F_LAT. Wanted to make sure I'm playing it correctly with all the various options. So far, I've yet to have a bad session. Some longer than others, but none have gone beyond the parameters of 100+ stop-win within 300 spins and a BR of 1000. Good of you sharing ....
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jul 19, 04:22 PM 2012
Thanks F_LAT. Wanted to make sure I'm playing it correctly with all the various options. So far, I've yet to have a bad session. Some longer than others, but none have gone beyond the parameters of 100+ stop-win within 300 spins and a BR of 1000. Good of you sharing ....
Iknow mate as have tested 62 by now all won.....in casino/just going/easy 100 chips every night,
except there you got to be full/more then 1000/for aiming 100
Here's an example of a typical session for me so far. I've done about 30 sessions .... real wheel, real casino. Waiting for the sequence from hell .....
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jul 19, 08:12 PM 2012
Here's an example of a typical session for me so far. I've done about 30 sessions .... real wheel, real casino. Waiting for the sequence from hell .....
Wally, Have you been playing for +100 each session?
Do you mind giving us a breakdown of your sessions?
Any losses or are they all wins?
Average number of spins to reach +100.
Largest draw down.
Largest bet.
Also, are you playing this on double zero or single zero?
This is looking like the cat's meoooo:ww.
I just have to figure out where I can play it.
George
George mate,
Wally is playing double zero.Me tested 62 Wiesbaden sessions all won aimed 100 or more chips.
Also tested those same sessions in continuation 53 won 9 lost/but neither required BR of 1000/
Wins versus Loses
W=23652 chips
L= 1926 chips........tells you how strong this is.Relays on sector repeats which inevitably are
happening throughout the game,mostly at the start and some in the second part of the game.
Haven't lost in casino as yet,but only problem is that several nights in the row am folling asleep
on the table.May be sun and high temp.or may be years LOL
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 20, 03:14 AM 2012
George mate,
Wally is playing double zero.Me tested 62 Wiesbaden sessions all won aimed 100 or more chips.
Also tested those same sessions in continuation 53 won 9 lost/but neither required BR of 1000/
Wins versus Loses
W=23652 chips
L= 1926 chips........tells you how strong this is.Relays on sector repeats which inevitably are
happening throughout the game,mostly at the start and some in the second part of the game.
Haven't lost in casino as yet,but only problem is that several nights in the row am folling asleep
on the table.May be sun and high temp.or may be years LoL
Flat
By loss did you mean that you ended in negative territory but you neither hit 100u nor lost your BR?
Exactly RH,
And this 63th. sssion from yesterday very similar to these 9 losing ones....
Didn't hit aimed 100 but at the end of session still won 50 with continual play.
And aiming 100 in most sessions won much more as playing untill the strike lasts,
but for showing sake don't bother going further after 100 won.
Once was on 5 chips 120 - and after 18 wins x 40=720 min.100=620 min.120=500
and many sssions like that after long strikes.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 20, 07:00 AM 2012
Exactly RH,
And this 63th. sssion from yesterday very similar to these 9 losing ones....
Didn't hit aimed 100 but at the end of session still won 50 with continual play.
And aiming 100 in most sessions won much more as playing until the strike lasts,
but for showing sake don't bother going further after 100 won.
Once was on 5 chips 120 - and after 18 wins x 40=720 min.100=620 min.120=500
and many sssions like that after long strikes.
!8 in a row will always get you out of the hole. :D My longest streak was only 10.
don't bother testing with RNG numbers...that's fallacy,not roulete.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 20, 07:58 AM 2012
don't bother testing with RNG numbers...that's fallacy,not roulette.
I never test or play on RNG Flat. Have lots of live wheel data.
@Rob
can you post results of your own test
so we can compare
thanks a lot
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 20, 03:14 AM 2012
George mate,
Wally is playing double zero.Me tested 62 Wiesbaden sessions all won aimed 100 or more chips.
Also tested those same sessions in continuation 53 won 9 lost/but neither required BR of 1000/
Wins versus Loses
W=23652 chips
L= 1926 chips........tells you how strong this is.Relays on sector repeats which inevitably are
happening throughout the game,mostly at the start and some in the second part of the game.
Haven't lost in casino as yet,but only problem is that several nights in the row am folling asleep
on the table.May be sun and high temp.or may be years LoL
May be the years, mate. I notice that I have no trouble falling asleep. The problem is staying asleep long enough to get fully rested. I suppose the double zero I have to play on will have some negative effects. Evidently not so much as to hurt the system.
Quote from: GLC on Jul 19, 11:52 PM 2012
Wally, Have you been playing for +100 each session?
Do you mind giving us a breakdown of your sessions?
Any losses or are they all wins?
Average number of spins to reach +100.
Largest draw down.
Largest bet.
Also, are you playing this on double zero or single zero?
This is looking like the cat's meoooo:ww.
I just have to figure out where I can play it.
George
Hey George,
Sorry for the delay in responding. I'm crazy busy right now for the next few days (other than roulette, unfortunately). Yes, double 0 wheel is all I have access to unless I get to the point of playing with $10 chips per bet .... hopefully will be there soon. Haven't played this enough yet to have the confidence to play over the $1 chip level. Have played a total of 31 sessions so far and, unlike F_LAT, I've always made it to 100 chips. So, I'm up a few bucks. If I loose a BR or 2 back to back I'd stop this strategy and take the 1000 chips and say thank you. If I get to the 100 session win level I'll move to the $10 chip single 0 table (it has a minimum inside bet of $50).
Here's something interesting that I've not tested, but have noticed. Let's say you take F_LATs strategy here and apply Prof. Winkel's fibo prog strategy to a single win per sector. You'd play less, but I can't see that losing very often. Even a +1 -1 doing a single win per sector. Like I said, I've not tested it, but just looking at F_LATs results you can see that it would work on all that he's provided. I'll try to test it in the next few weeks. Right now my spare time is being spent at the casino as my time is limited and tuition is due for the upcoming semester for my kids :)
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jul 20, 01:17 PM 2012
Hey George,
Sorry for the delay in responding. I'm crazy busy right now for the next few days (other than roulette, unfortunately). Yes, double 0 wheel is all I have access to unless I get to the point of playing with $10 chips per bet .... hopefully will be there soon. Haven't played this enough yet to have the confidence to play over the $1 chip level. Have played a total of 31 sessions so far and, unlike F_LAT, I've always made it to 100 chips. So, I'm up a few bucks. If I lose a BR or 2 back to back I'd stop this strategy and take the 1000 chips and say thank you. If I get to the 100 session win level I'll move to the $10 chip single 0 table (it has a minimum inside bet of $50).
Here's something interesting that I've not tested, but have noticed. Let's say you take F_LATs strategy here and apply Prof. Winkel's fibo prog strategy to a single win per sector. You'd play less, but I can't see that losing very often. Even a +1 -1 doing a single win per sector. Like I said, I've not tested it, but just looking at F_LATs results you can see that it would work on all that he's provided. I'll try to test it in the next few weeks. Right now my spare time is being spent at the casino as my time is limited and tuition is due for the upcoming semester for my kids :)
Am aware of that fact Wally,playing no cycles would be a winner also,quicker,but when you have 11 loses in the row/had it in one session/hard to pull back,while with cycles did it and won
aimed 100.This way it seem safer.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jul 20, 01:17 PM 2012
Hey George,
Sorry for the delay in responding. I'm crazy busy right now for the next few days (other than roulette, unfortunately). Yes, double 0 wheel is all I have access to unless I get to the point of playing with $10 chips per bet .... hopefully will be there soon. Haven't played this enough yet to have the confidence to play over the $1 chip level. Have played a total of 31 sessions so far and, unlike F_LAT, I've always made it to 100 chips. So, I'm up a few bucks. If I lose a BR or 2 back to back I'd stop this strategy and take the 1000 chips and say thank you. If I get to the 100 session win level I'll move to the $10 chip single 0 table (it has a minimum inside bet of $50).
Here's something interesting that I've not tested, but have noticed. Let's say you take F_LATs strategy here and apply Prof. Winkel's fibo prog strategy to a single win per sector. You'd play less, but I can't see that losing very often. Even a +1 -1 doing a single win per sector. Like I said, I've not tested it, but just looking at F_LATs results you can see that it would work on all that he's provided. I'll try to test it in the next few weeks. Right now my spare time is being spent at the casino as my time is limited and tuition is due for the upcoming semester for my kids :)
Wally, Take your time. You've heard me mention that I'm looking for the system that will give me a little more cushion during my retirement. I'm thinking this one is it. I've tested it for 10 runs to +100 on single zero, betvoyager and it's been easy sailing.
I haven't tested it on double zero because I keep hoping that I'll be able to play single zero on-line before too long. I hate the idea of having to go to a casino every day.
Are you talking about Winkle's "Win all you want" post?
Flat answered my questions, so no need to respond. Ya gotta keep those chips coming in for college tuition. It's not getting any cheaper I hear.
Wally,
I just re-read the whole thread and see that most of my questions you had already answered. I'm getting too lazy in my old age.
I can see that if a person wanted to play this in a busy casino, you better know the sectors like the back of your hand and come up with a creative way to keep track of your bets. For those of us who learned to play PCWB, we should have the 9 sectors down pat.
This thing will keep you busy, but the end result makes it all worth while.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 20, 04:02 PM 2012
Am aware of that fact Wally,playing no cycles would be a winner also,quicker,but when you have 11 loses in the row/had it in one session/hard to pull back,while with cycles did it and won
aimed 100.This way it seem safer.
I can see where 11 in a row could get you sick. I've yet to experience anything over 4 in a row so far. Hey, maybe this is a benefit to a double 0 wheel (I'm sure that's not the case, but it's a nice thought).
Also, how are you doing without going past 1 unit until hitting the 100 units and stopping? I've had 7 sessions so far, out of 31, that have never gone past a flat bet of 1. Highest progression so far for me has been 4 units. Sometimes I go up and down for about 75 or so spins until a breakaway cycle that gets me to 100. I've not gone past 165 spins so far. I'm sure that will happen eventually, as well as the loss of a BR. I'll be sure to post that session when it happens. Regardless, I'm up considerably and the loss will only be a blip on the radar. I'm anxious to get my chip value up.
Thanks for all your help.
Quote from: GLC on Jul 20, 04:17 PM 2012
Are you talking about Winkle's "Win all you want" post?
Ya gotta keep those chips coming in for college tuition. It's not getting any cheaper I hear.
Yes, George, "win all you want" is what I was referring to. However, F_LAT's note about 11 back to back misses would be a serious concern. You'd be at 89 in the progression.
As for college tuition, the universities have done a tremendous job at marketing their product. The price just climbs and it appears there's not much we can do about it here in the US. Here's an interesting dichotomy for you. One of my kids is studying physics and probability statistics. He thinks I'm nuts even walking into a casino and taking any amount of money out of my pocket. As he says, "Dad, why do you want to make continuous donations. You are eventually going to lose it all anyway", to which I reply, "Son, so far I've been collecting donations and they've been paying for your studies". Now, I ask you, what's the probability of that :)
Yes sir Wally Gator , Round here 50k for college is not even looked at as crazy.....Med /dental school $100k... Play play play that roulette sir! I know the feeling...............
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jul 20, 06:15 PM 2012
Yes, George, "win all you want" is what I was referring to. However, F_LAT's note about 11 back to back misses would be a serious concern. You'd be at 89 in the progression.
As for college tuition, the universities have done a tremendous job at marketing their product. The price just climbs and it appears there's not much we can do about it here in the US. Here's an interesting dichotomy for you. One of my kids is studying physics and probability statistics. He thinks I'm nuts even walking into a casino and taking any amount of money out of my pocket. As he says, "Dad, why do you want to make continuous donations. You are eventually going to lose it all anyway", to which I reply, "Son, so far I've been collecting donations and they've been paying for your studies". Now, I ask you, what's the probability of that :)
hehehe i like this one :xd:
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jul 20, 06:05 PM 2012
I can see where 11 in a row could get you sick. I've yet to experience anything over 4 in a row so far. Hey, maybe this is a benefit to a double 0 wheel (I'm sure that's not the case, but it's a nice thought).
Also, how are you doing without going past 1 unit until hitting the 100 units and stopping? I've had 7 sessions so far, out of 31, that have never gone past a flat bet of 1. Highest progression so far for me has been 4 units. Sometimes I go up and down for about 75 or so spins until a breakaway cycle that gets me to 100. I've not gone past 165 spins so far. I'm sure that will happen eventually, as well as the loss of a BR. I'll be sure to post that session when it happens. Regardless, I'm up considerably and the loss will only be a blip on the radar. I'm anxious to get my chip value up.
Thanks for all your help.
--So call required BR I don't accept,my BR is my pocket,but sopposed 1000 required BR can hardly
lose Wally,especially on 1 zero.Last night was playing progress per a spin and didn't hit 4 before
won aimed and some more.Did it as lately can't last long night in casino,falling asleep.That 11 was only once,5 chops in the row but usually it is 1-4 mostly.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 21, 06:36 AM 2012
--So call required BR I don't accept,my BR is my pocket,but sopposed 1000 required BR can hardly
lose Wally,especially on 1 zero.Last night was playing progress per a spin and didn't hit 4 before
won aimed and some more.Did it as lately can't last long night in casino,falling asleep.That 11 was only once,5 chops in the row but usually it is 1-4 mostly.
Agreed. If there is a down side it's the length of time at the table. I haven't played +1 per session regardless of end balance. I can see where that would be most beneficial on those up and down sessions. Gets you out much sooner. I'll take a look. Thanks for mentioning it.
I played with that a bit. When im at higher betting levels lets say 6 - i know its pretty rare ;D if i win a session i reduce a base bet by the difference between W's and L's. So after session of WWWLWWL i go down to base bet of 3. But you need to constantly keep track of your balance and adjust your bets and of course try not to fall asleep in longer sessions ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 22, 07:46 AM 2012
I played with that a bit. When I'm at higher betting levels lets say 6 - i know its pretty rare ;D if i win a session i reduce a base bet by the difference between W's and L's. So after session of WWWLWWL i go down to base bet of 3. But you need to constantly keep track of your balance and adjust your bets and of course try not to fall asleep in longer sessions ;D
Correct,I do it by head looking at new score,but for the bot Ophis is preparing
it should be done by exact math formula.I have some ideas even ask for help from
math boys but nobody is reacting.Only airball afternoon/after lunch sleep/it seems
nights have broke me down.Check your W/L registry as in most sessions it wins flat bet.
Hi F_LAT_INO !
First of all, thanks for sharing your method! Just wanted to ask a question. How and when do you decide that you should move to 2 units, 3 units etc and when you going back to 1 unit? I've tryed to analyze your excels and Wally Gator's but didn't get that yet. Would appreciate your help. Thanks
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 22, 08:53 AM 2012
Check your W/L registry as in most sessions it wins flat bet.
While I don't play it flat, looking at the history for what I've played this is true for me, so far. The only down side would be that I would have been at the table even longer. It's a question of getting our unit size to the point that we play for +10 and we're out the door.
I'm surprised more folks are not interested in this. It is a very easy strategy to play and, although lengthy at times, it's not like we are sitting around waiting for triggers. Once all sectors have hit, you're in the game.
It was also interesting that it won JL's 2000 spins on RNG as a flat bet. If you were looking for a +10 or +20 and out the door it's a home run.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jul 22, 09:58 AM 2012
While I don't play it flat, looking at the history for what I've played this is true for me, so far. The only down side would be that I would have been at the table even longer. It's a question of getting our unit size to the point that we play for +10 and we're out the door.
I'm surprised more folks are not interested in this. It is a very easy strategy to play and, although lengthy at times, it's not like we are sitting around waiting for triggers. Once all sectors have hit, you're in the game.
It was also interesting that it won JL's 2000 spins on RNG as a flat bet. If you were looking for a +10 or +20 and out the door it's a home run.
I guess BR of 1000u to win 100u scares some people and long playing time... I'm not so sure about playing for 20 or 30u. What would be then a suitable BR? I agree that most of the sessions are breeze - recently had 5 winning sessions totaling less than 300 spins altogether. But i had one that went on forever - hit almost 700u draw down and slowly crept up towards 0.
:D It mostly takes 5 or 6 W's in a row to at least pull you back into positive territory but sometimes you have to wait a bit for such a streak. If you put your stop loss at lets say 300u aiming for 30u you may miss on these streaks. But i guess only more testing would tell.
hey flatino, i see you here on forum so often, can you tell how much money have you earn so far ? because your system looks really great and i am so excited about going to casino and use your system . Cheers
FLAT have you tried raising bet only after 2 consecutive losses and drop it only after 2 consecutive wins?This way at least you avoid big drawdowns when you have bad streak.
Quote from: xxlakis on Jul 24, 12:45 AM 2012
FLAT have you tried raising bet only after 2 consecutive losses and drop it only after 2 consecutive wins?This way at least you avoid big drawdowns when you have bad streak.
He doesnt increase a bet if the loss is less than 10u which means 2 consecutive losses in any session or also could mean the same number of W's and L's at higher bet levels. And drop down could be tied to the amount of the win in any session. You could also drop down the number of steps the amount of W's differs from L's... If WWLWWL u drop down 2 steps. Just an idea.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 18, 04:04 PM 2012
Should ask Ophis.
I have tried to contact Ophis, but he does not participate for days in this forum. He should be on hollydays. :smile:
I would try the bot, at least because I paid for it.
Please, if somebody have it, PM me.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 24, 01:25 AM 2012
He doesn't increase a bet if the loss is less than 10u which means 2 consecutive losses in any session or also could mean the same number of W's and L's at higher bet levels. And drop down could be tied to the amount of the win in any session. You could also drop down the number of steps the amount of W's differs from L's... If WWLWWL u drop down 2 steps. Just an idea.
I prefer to play progression spin by spin.I use the one i mentioned and it works good so far.Maybe it's more agressive than cycles but i reach my target much faster(so far) and it handles draw downs.
Quote from: xxlakis on Jul 24, 02:37 PM 2012
I prefer to play progression spin by spin.I use the one i mentioned and it works good so far.Maybe it's more agressive than cycles but i reach my target much faster(so far) and it handles draw downs.
If you have the 1000 unit BR or more playing a spin by spin progression will certainly get you to your goal much quicker. I can't imagine going through the 1000 unit bank. I'm sure it can happen, but I'm still waiting for the run from hell.
45 session so far with no losses.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jul 24, 03:17 PM 2012
If you have the 1000 unit BR or more playing a spin by spin progression will certainly get you to your goal much quicker. I can't imagine going through the 1000 unit bank. I'm sure it can happen, but I'm still waiting for the run from hell.
45 session so far with no losses.
Spin by spin could blow you out sometimes/but when/and is is much quicker to get
aimed 100