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Title: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Steve on Dec 11, 07:12 PM 2019
TIPS TO AVOID ROULETTE SCAMS

You can never get enough proof when it comes to gambling systems. Almost all are scams. How do you know a system is or isn't a scam? See the tips below:

Never rely on the seller's word alone. Sweet-talk is proof of nothing. Most scammers mix truth with lies to convince you.

Never rely on videos. Winning sessions look great, but you wont see their losing sessions. Besides, it would take literally months of play to see statistically significant results. So forget video proof. The exception is if you have other data to back up results, like being able to predict when and where the ball will fall (in a way that can't be faked), OR data indicating even losing predictions were consistently close.

Never rely on "bankroll trend charts". They are just images.

If they claim their system works on RNG (random number generators) or 100% of roulette games, they're full of shit. The only way to beat RNG is if it's flawed, and winning numbers aren't random. You might find a poorly run online casino with flawed RNG, but it's very unlikely. And such a poorly run casino would be small, potentially illegally run, and probably wont pay winnings. RNG roulette is not real roulette - it's a slot machine with fancy roulette animations. Besides, if anyone had a system that beat all RNG, it would be worth BILLIONS, and could disrupt and potentially destroy entire industries.

If the "working principle" of the system does not attack the "cause" of winning numbers, it's useless. For example, tracking "hot numbers" doesn't work because past numbers have no correlation to future numbers. The only exceptions are physical anomalies, such as a wheel defects (known as "bias") causing some numbers to win more than others. But hot number tracking isn't the right way to exploit roulette wheel bias. If the seller doesn't give you any details of the "working principle" you can verify for yourself, they're probably being dishonest.

If the system requires you stop after a loss target, it doesn't work. If you have a legitimate edge, the more you play, the more you'll earn.

If the system relies on betting progression (increasing bet size after losses), it will eventually fail. Progression is like a loan that must be eventually be repaid, with interest. It keeps you winning for a while, then eventually a losing streak wipes you out.

Don't pay attention to testimonials. They are very easy to fabricate. And even if they're authentic, the testimonial could be provided after a player's exciting winning session. Even if the player had been winning for a year, that could be just 500 spins. How many times have you won for a while with a new system and thought it worked, until you lost later? Also it's easy for scammers to pay for video testimonials, or have dishonest friends give testimonials.

Don't rely on reviews or anonymous forum posts. They are easily faked. Often "system sellers" write false positive reviews of their own system, and false negative information about competitors. The manipulation is often elaborate, so don't believe the first thing you read.

Be skeptical about what system sellers say about each other. Expect them to blatantly lie about each other. At the very least, expect them to distort any information.

Ignore displays of wealth like cars and piles of cash. Anyone can hire a Lamborghini for a day. And cash could be from anywhere. Anyone can even buy stacks of counterfeit cash for next to nothing.

Consider if the seller is a registered corporation (such as PTY LTD company). Generally scams run with fake company names that can't be verified on government websites, or are unincorporated businesses. If you can't verify the legal existence of a company or business name with a government entity, it's probably a scam. Also scammers almost always prefer "unincorporated" businesses. This is because corporations are subject to much stricter legal and ethical standards. Also unincorporated businesses almost always have relatively low profits, indicating they aren't well-established and can disappear overnight. If a business earns a substantial sum, it would need to incorporate to minimize tax.

Being able to speak with or meet the seller isn't a guarantee they're honest. We've all been scammed before. The last time I was scammed was by someone in-person. And he seemed like a lovely gentleman. Everyone seems nice and honest when they're trying to scam you. So forget the person and how they behave, and consider what's being said, and how you can validate their claims for yourself.

Always VERIFY what you're told. Even if you verify small things, it gives you clues about their honesty. If they lied about small things, they'll probably be dishonest about more important matters.

Never allow them to play in your account with your money. Some scammers ask to play in your online casino account with your money for part of the profits (if they win). It sounds like a great idea to have a "pro" playing for you. But the risk of loss is entirely yours, and the scammer has nothing to lose. Only let someone play in your account if they deposit their own funds. After all if they're using your account and ID, and they claim to have a winning system, the risk should be theirs.

Beware of claims a seller has the HG (holy grail): Nobody would ever likely sell it. It would be worth billions. It has never known to exist.

Beware of claims that the seller has discovered some magical secret or flaw in roulette: Anything is "possible", but scammers often recite valid science in attempt to add credibility to their claims. They might mention something like Fibonacci or Tesla's 369, or something else that appears to hold secrets. If they can't give you valid principles that you can test and verify are capable of changing odds of winning, you're just relying on their word.

Consider WHY they're selling the system. They could fabricate any reason, but use your own judgement to determine if their reasoning is plausible.

Don't get lured from forums into private chats. Scammers usually do this so they can deceive victims in private, without fair criticism from experienced members.

I'm not saying completely discount everything a seller provides. Just don't believe everything you see or read, either on their website or others. Be skeptical. But have a healthy level of skepticism. A scammer wont tell you they're scamming you. They'll be on their best behavior.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Steve on Dec 11, 07:16 PM 2019
I've added these tips to help everyone avoid scams. It explains all the typical tricks used to scam people.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: 6th-sense on Dec 12, 02:52 AM 2019
Good posts Steve..
Few other bits to add on I’m sure

Don’t be fooled by pms offering to sell you a system on a forum..

Don’t be fooled by people offering you there HG,s in regards of you giving them what you know

Passion Fruit is the classic example

No one would swap such knowledge or sell such knowledge if they had it..

If you want to spend money then don’t spend it on a system ..spend it instead on something you like or something that could be more useful to you like roulette software or what ever floats your boat
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Steve on Dec 12, 06:42 PM 2019
6th-sense, thanks I added some related points.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Kav on Dec 13, 03:35 AM 2019
"Don’t be fooled by people offering you there HG,s in regards of you giving them what you know"

Why not?
If we assume both parties have no HG, why deter the exchange of ignorance?
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: slopez007 on Mar 19, 07:35 PM 2020
This is a scam...
advancedrouletteprediction.com
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Héctor on May 22, 01:15 PM 2020
Mr. Azim.

What do you propose?
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: RayManZ on May 22, 01:21 PM 2020
Mr. Azim.

What do you propose?

Register here with the same username and get to the #1spot

http://www.rouletteplayers.org/register
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Moxy on May 22, 04:20 PM 2020

If they claim their system works on RNG (random number generators) or 100% of roulette games, they're full of shit[/b]. The only way to beat RNG is if it's flawed, and winning numbers aren't random. You might find a poorly run online casino with flawed RNG, but it's very unlikely. And such a poorly run casino would be small, potentially illegally run, and probably wont pay winnings. RNG roulette is not real roulette - it's a slot machine with fancy roulette animations. Besides, if anyone had a system that beat all RNG, it would be worth BILLIONS, and could disrupt and potentially destroy entire industries.

Beware of claims a seller has the HG (holy grail)[/b]: Nobody would ever likely sell it. It would be worth billions. It has never known to exist.

Wow.  Just wow.

Thanks for showing me the way, Steve.  Thank you.   
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Steve on May 22, 04:46 PM 2020
Moxy, what have you won with your hg?
Nothing?

Why is that?

Most of us at some point thought we had the hg, but eventually understood we were deluded.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Moxy on May 22, 04:50 PM 2020
Moxy, what have you won with your hg?
Nothing?

Why is that?

Most of us at some point thought we had the hg, but eventually understood we were deluded.

I thank you regardless. 
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Héctor on May 22, 05:44 PM 2020
mr moxy.

Do you also have a way to win?
and you sir Steve?
Does anyone in this forum have a way to win?
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Steve on May 22, 05:45 PM 2020
Moxy has the hg. It just isn't finished yet. And he hasn't won anything yet. When his hg is finished, he wants to sell it to me for a billion dollars.

And I'm a scammer giving people free technology to beat roulette.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Héctor on May 22, 05:54 PM 2020
you have technology to win and give it for free?
I would like to see what you do, it could be interesting!
Where do you send me your technology?
It is interesting that someone who can win at roulette, give away win money, I did not expect Mr. Steve.
if you can inform me!
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Moxy on May 22, 06:39 PM 2020
Moxy has the hg. It just isn't finished yet. And he hasn't won anything yet. When his hg is finished, he wants to sell it to me for a billion dollars.

And I'm a scammer giving people free technology to beat roulette.

I'll be the bigger man here.  I really am appreciative of your insight.  Thank you again.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Steve on May 22, 06:48 PM 2020
Moxy, what i say is not personal. Im actually trying to help you and others. Im sometimes blunt because it helps people understand.

Hector, the video at the top explains some background about me and what i do. I have a variety of technology but my focus is www.roulette-computers.com

I've been doing it a long time and am on the verge of moving on. If it was all about money, id continue. Im already comfortable. I just have other goals.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Moxy on May 22, 06:52 PM 2020
Moxy, what i say is not personal. Im actually trying to help you and others. Im sometimes blunt because it helps people understand.

Hector, the video at the top explains some background about me and what i do. I have a variety of technology but my focus is www.roulette-computers.com

I've been doing it a long time and am on the verge of moving on. If it was all about money, id continue. Im already comfortable. I just have other goals.

For that I thank you.  My wording may have been a tad accusatory when I was just trying to be emphatic on my original statement.

Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Steve on May 22, 07:30 PM 2020
No problem
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Elite on Jul 13, 01:04 AM 2020
This person is a scammer robitoth50@gmail.com.. Not deal anything with him. He has youtube channel where he posts videos of his winning.
How he scam is to charge fee and then give them fake bot files and that time time he try to sell his botcoin(hope that will be also scam) and also some fees for configuration.if you see his channel, everything looks fine .Just adding here .Any one need proof, I can give thansk.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Mortimer on Jul 13, 02:11 AM 2020
This person is a scammer robitoth50@gmail.com.. Not deal anything with him. He has youtube channel where he posts videos of his winning.
How he scam is to charge fee and then give them fake bot files and that time time he try to sell his botcoin(hope that will be also scam) and also some fees for configuration.if you see his channel, everything looks fine .Just adding here .Any one need proof, I can give thansk.

He is one  of the worst scammer ever,like Adrian Buzan..This is his channel now: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC85EZVG-w0EZOSicGkEzHbg (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC85EZVG-w0EZOSicGkEzHbg)
previous channel already banned. Very easy to see how to cheat. He "professional" programmer,and edited his videos,but every people
who have little brain clearly see that,there is the problem :) THe chips are not in the central,and the racetrack size also not normal.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Mortimer on Jul 13, 02:32 AM 2020
https://ibb.co/PM6yfNS (https://ibb.co/PM6yfNS)

Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: tabone on Jul 15, 05:17 PM 2020
Are we then to conclude that a HG is an impossibility? That it is impossible to develop and/or discover one? And what is the definition of a HG system?
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: gizmotron2 on Jul 16, 07:09 AM 2020
Are we then to conclude that a HG is an impossibility? That it is impossible to develop and/or discover one? And what is the definition of a HG system?

Here is the HG. "Bet big when you are doing good, bet small any other time."  It's as old as the hills and still is the best strategy.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: pepper on Jul 16, 01:55 PM 2020
Tip to avoid scams: don’t buy anything roulette, gambling, or money related, ever!!!! The genuine information is usually available for free.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: pepper on Jul 16, 03:33 PM 2020
Here is the HG. "Bet big when you are doing good, bet small any other time."  It's as old as the hills and still is the best strategy.
Don't you have the same probability to start doing bad as soon as you raise your bet?
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: pepper on Jul 16, 03:50 PM 2020
what is the definition of a HG system?
A HG system has to win at least 1% more sessions and money than losing sessions and losses, otherwise you don't make enough money to cover expenses. Nah, the HG is whatever you want it to be, assuming the player at least has a positive ev. Even a 1% advantage can make a fortune if you are betting very large. After all, people play blackjack professionally, and they don't have a huge advantage, right?
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: winforus on Jul 16, 04:28 PM 2020
A HG system has to win at least 1% more sessions and money than losing sessions and losses, otherwise you don't make enough money to cover expenses. Nah, the HG is whatever you want it to be, assuming the player at least has a positive ev. Even a 1% advantage can make a fortune if you are betting very large. After all, people play blackjack professionally, and they don't have a huge advantage, right?

Finally there is a person who gets it. You are 100% right, hence why the only way to beat roulette is to increase the accuracy of predictions. And you only need a slight accuracy, to change the EV from -2.7% to +
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: pepper on Jul 16, 09:53 PM 2020
I'm assuming that even a small advantage, say .25% could make a fortune due to the fact that casinos don't worry about professional roulette players, at least not openly. Also, if you are using something like precognition, I just don't see you getting banned unless you are killing the casino for hours on end, because even naturally (with a negative ev) people go through bizarre winning streaks.

A .25% advantage gives $12.50 per spin per $5,000 bet. This would net about $1,000 per hour. Not bad, huh?
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: winforus on Jul 17, 12:07 PM 2020
I'm assuming that even a small advantage, say .25% could make a fortune due to the fact that casinos don't worry about professional roulette players, at least not openly. Also, if you are using something like precognition, I just don't see you getting banned unless you are killing the casino for hours on end, because even naturally (with a negative ev) people go through bizarre winning streaks.

A .25% advantage gives $12.50 per spin per $5,000 bet. This would net about $1,000 per hour. Not bad, huh?

Even players who use very old AP methods on specific wheels (with proper conditions) such as dealer's signature, can easily get a 5% edge. With precognition - an intermediate precog player in my guess could easily get 10%. An advanced precog player could go a LOT higher.

And I agree, the advantage of using precognition, is that it would be a lot harder for casinos to ban you - it looks very much like a lucky win streak.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Help_me_pls on Jul 17, 12:57 PM 2020
Guess some of you have seen Manevra roulette videos, has done some big wins, has scammed a few people also.

An expose vid.

t=14s

He edits his videos to make them look like winners.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: onlinemelk on Aug 12, 12:02 PM 2020
hello everyone

I  searched for his video DVD Anatomy of Roulette  ,all links is gone and deleted , I already very likeed to buy his system , but price was very high and out from my budget , now I see people said he is scammer , so i ask someone to send me video private message PM  or anything other link on the NET  , I found his software on the website https://www.adrianbuzanscam.com/downloads/  , but all videos is deleted .

I am very thankful if someone help me to download his video. and I read all forums about him , but finally can't decide he is scammer or he is really professional gambler roulette .

Thanks



Regards
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Airball1023 on Aug 14, 04:53 AM 2020
Hello Everyone.

I follow and review all systems and comments here from long time. I started to play roulette since 2012. Now almost 8 years. I lost totally $ 150,000. Never win therefore I thought this casino is not help for players. Then I have decided to stop. However since Im adicted want to play again and again. Finally I found the system its real and check with the history records and all had won. However I want to say 2 things for everyone.
1. Roulette game, wheel, table, method all are work as human brains therefore system cant beat the roulette. Therefore dont buy any softwear which will never make you win.
2. Don't lost your control infornt of the game and therefore continous leaning studying are very important. Then you can see the results.
Please understand I cant give you a tips on it until I recover my losses. After that surey I will help other players. Based on my plan it will take 15 months to recover my losses. I don't sell it will give for free. Why I want to tell now? Becos I want all you guys away from the software systems, but human brain or thinking systems are ok to follow.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: onlinemelk on Aug 14, 05:06 PM 2020
Hello

After I lost huge money on roullete, I back to the sports betting ,I am very satisfy , on sports betting you have better chance to win ,you can see match then bet ,you can reback your choice if isn't good even. and there is no way to lose huge money on sports betting  .  but still I love roulette , roulette is lovely game , but i think you should play it for fun , you can't create system to beat roulette for a long time . I see IGANTUS create hundered system but he isn't successfull on the internet .

Regards

Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: pepper on Sep 18, 10:54 AM 2020
I have a variety of technology but my focus is www.roulette-computers.com
From my understanding, the roulette computers generate a value of -2.7% for the European wheel and -5.26% for the American.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Steve on Sep 20, 07:13 PM 2020
Pepper, the values you mentioned are the house edge. Computers give players an edge usually between +15% to +80%.

Basically they can easily beat almost every wheel. The problem isnt beating the wheel - its avoiding detection. But that's not difficult. You mostly need to deliberately lose a bit and limit winnings.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: pepper on Sep 20, 07:51 PM 2020
Pepper, the values you mentioned are the house edge. Computers give players an edge usually between +15% to +80%.

Basically they can easily beat almost every wheel. The problem isnt beating the wheel - its avoiding detection. But that's not difficult. You mostly need to deliberately lose a bit and limit winnings.
Casino operators claim they're not worried about roulette computers. This is strange because they're worried about card counters, who only gain a slim .5%-1% edge. You are claiming a massive edge.

At roulette tables, the dealers are very snappy for people to put their phones away, though, so there must be some worry.

If you computers were/are genuine, one could easily win and avoid detection by just hitting a couple numbers and leaving and not returning to the same casino. You wouldn't have to deliberately lose anything. You just have to not be a greedy idiot.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Steve on Sep 20, 08:05 PM 2020
If you computers were/are genuine, one could easily win and avoid detection by just hitting a couple numbers and leaving and not returning to the same casino.

We do that. But before the betting phase, you need enough data to understand the wheel. That could take 15 spins for easy wheels, or 70 for harder wheels.

The science behind computers is not complicated. I've been doing this a long time and get asked the same questions many times.
Title: Re: Tips To Avoid Roulette Scams
Post by: Steve on Sep 20, 08:08 PM 2020
Casino operators claim they're not worried about roulette computers

Nonsense. Wheel designers create technology like RRS specifically because of computers. But those wheels are very rare anyway as they lose trust from normal players, which loses casinos more money than they're trying to save. Card counting nowhere near comes close to what roulette computers do.

I could write a very long book about everything I've experienced and know about this. And I've said much of it before, many times. If you want to know more about computers, there's ample information on my websites and in past posts.