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Title: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: huskerdu on May 03, 01:42 PM 2020
Today I’m introducing my new system called “3D Differential Betting”
For those who don’t know, differential betting is like two players playing the one exactly the opposite of the other. Every time the one player wins, the other loses.
Differential betting can never be accomplished with flat bets since the total of both players’ bets would be zero after each spin (whatever units the one player wins the same amount of units the other player loses).
So, the only way to have a total win is to play both sides with a positive progression (up as you win) for the one side to get the advantage of a trend that will appear. The respective progression bet size is determined separately, however, only the difference is wagered.
Negative progressions are not appropriate in differential betting because they can lead to heavy losses.
The aim of differential betting is to take advantage of any trend. And because we don’t know in which side the trend will appear (e.g. BLACK or RED) we play differential betting and in whether side will have a trend we will win with positive progression.
So, since we do not know on which chance the deviation will occur, differential betting is obviously a good strategy to achieve gains from the  deviation towards BLACK or from the a deviation towards RED
The problem is that with differential betting when  we aim for a dominant color -it means for a trend of a streak of the same color, (the one side plays for a trend with  a  streak of RED and the other for a trend with a streak of BLACK)-,  if a choppy streak appears both sides lose. And if the choppy streak is too big a very big streak of the same color must appear in order to recover.
My solution to this problem is to use 2 players betting at the same time as bellow:
Player Nr.1 is betting for the same color
Player Nr. 2 is betting for the change of colors.
The positive progression I use is 1 unit up as win and reset to 1 unit if lose (I will explain in other post the advantages of using this kind of reset).
Let’s see the cases:

A trend of the same color
When the one side plays for the same color and the other plays for the change of color we have:

SAME COLOR  / CHANGE COLOR /TOTAL
B
B         +1         -1         0
B         +2         -1         +1
B         +3         -1         +2
B         +4         -1         +3
B         +5         -1         +4
B         +6         -1         +5
B         +7         -1         +6

TOTAL WIN: +21 units

Let’s see the case of alternative colors (choppy streak):

SAME COLOR /  CHANGE COLOR /  TOTAL
B
R         -1         +1         0
B         -1         +2         +1
R         -1         +3         +2
B         -1         +4         +3
R         -1         +5         +4
B         -1         +6         +5
R         -1         +7         +6

TOTAL WIN: +21 units

So we don’t have to worry if there will be a trend of same color or a trend of change of color. We win in both situatiions
But there is another problem:
What if a streak of double colors ( B B R R B B R R R) appear -which is quite often)?

SAME COLOR /  CHANGE COLOR  /  TOTAL
B
B         +1         -1         0
R         -2         +1         -1
R         +1         -2         -1
B         -2         +1         -1
B         +1         -2         -1
R         -2         +1         -1
R         +1         -2         -1

TOTAL LOSE: -6 units

We see that we lose in every bet (the subtotals are always -1).

So we add a third player who bets on the opposite of the penultimate color.

STREAK OF DOUBLE COLORS WITH 3 PLAYERS

SAME COLOR  /  CHANGE COLOR /  PENULTIMATE / TOTAL
B
B         +1         -1         0          0
R         -2         +1         +1          0
R         +1         -2         +2         +1
B         -2         +1         +3         +2
B         +1         -2         +5         +3
R         -2         +1         +6         +4
R         +1         -2         +7         +5

TOTAL WIN: +15 units

Let’s see now that we have add he third kind of betting how’s the other two streaks (same color and change of color) :

STREAK OF SAME COLOR WITH 3 PLAYERS

SAME COLOR /  CHANGE COLOR / PENULTIMATE  /TOTAL
B
B         +1         -1         0          0
B         +2         -1         -1          0
B         +3         -1         -1         +1
B         +4         -1         -1         +2
B         +5         -1         -1         +3
B         +6         -1         -1         +4
B         +7         -1         -1         +5

TOTAL WIN: +15 units

CHOPPY STREAK OF ALTERNATIVE COLORS WITH 3 PLAYERS

SAME COLOR /   CHANGE COLOR/  PENULTIMATE  /OTAL
B
R         -1         +1         0          0
B         -1         +2         -1          0
R         -1         +3         -1         +1
B         -1         +4         -1         +1
R         -1         +5         -1         +2
B         -1         +6         -1         +3
R         -1         +7         -1         +4

TOTAL WIN: +16 units

As we can see, we use altogether 3 different bettings, without hunting any specific trend. Whatever trend will arise, (same colors, chops of 1 color, chops of two colors) we are winners.
Even if there is no big trend, or the trends interchange, we haven’t big loses.  because we reset to 1 in every lose.
And of course, there will be cases that we may face loses but those will be too small, which we can recover if a trend will arise. And in most cases, it isn’t necessary for the trend to be big, in order to recover.
And of course, if we play this system at the same time for B/R,  O/E and  L/H,  we raise the possibilities that a trend will come up sooner on at least one of those 3 ECs.
The pros of this system is that we don’t care of what kind of trend will appear. Whatever trend will be, we win. We also don’t face big loses as we play with positive progression.
Notes:
This system is not completed yet. I want to test some cases of alternative colors of different chops of 1 – 2 – 3 where there are loses and may either I will add a 4th player or I will have to change the kind of positive progression for one or more players (e.g. instead of resetting to 1 after one lose, to keep the bet the same, or bet one unit down, or resetting to “0” instead of resetting to 1….).
I’d also like to examine to add more players with different kind of betting (e.g. a player playing  alternately same/different color) , in order to cover any situation.
I would appreciate your contribution to this system, trying to play with any kind of  positive progressions with two or more  players in some different cases and make ammendments.
Maybe we would create a very safe winning system.
I'm now working on an excel file which I will finish and upload it tomorrow. In this file, the only thing you do is to put the outcome of every spin and the programm calculates all 3 bettings together and presents the final  betting (which side we should bet and the amount of betting)
If you are interested in the project, you can make your recomendations
I’m fully believe in team-work.
Keep in mind that this system could be nicely used in Baccarat !!!!

Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: Serendipity on May 03, 02:18 PM 2020
Impressive!!!
Maybe someone could help you coding this in RX for intensive testing
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: Blood Angel on May 03, 03:27 PM 2020
Today I’m introducing my new system called “3D Differential Betting”
For those who don’t know, differential betting is like two players playing the one exactly the opposite of the other. Every time the one player wins, the other loses.
Differential betting can never be accomplished with flat bets since the total of both players’ bets would be zero after each spin (whatever units the one player wins the same amount of units the other player loses).
So, the only way to have a total win is to play both sides with a positive progression (up as you win) for the one side to get the advantage of a trend that will appear. The respective progression bet size is determined separately, however, only the difference is wagered.
Negative progressions are not appropriate in differential betting because they can lead to heavy losses.
The aim of differential betting is to take advantage of any trend. And because we don’t know in which side the trend will appear (e.g. BLACK or RED) we play differential betting and in whether side will have a trend we will win with positive progression.
So, since we do not know on which chance the deviation will occur, differential betting is obviously a good strategy to achieve gains from the  deviation towards BLACK or from the a deviation towards RED
The problem is that with differential betting when  we aim for a dominant color -it means for a trend of a streak of the same color, (the one side plays for a trend with  a  streak of RED and the other for a trend with a streak of BLACK)-,  if a choppy streak appears both sides lose. And if the choppy streak is too big a very big streak of the same color must appear in order to recover.
My solution to this problem is to use 2 players betting at the same time as bellow:
Player Nr.1 is betting for the same color
Player Nr. 2 is betting for the change of colors.
The positive progression I use is 1 unit up as win and reset to 1 unit if lose (I will explain in other post the advantages of using this kind of reset).
Let’s see the cases:

A trend of the same color
When the one side plays for the same color and the other plays for the change of color we have:

SAME COLOR  / CHANGE COLOR /TOTAL
B
B         +1         -1         0
B         +2         -1         +1
B         +3         -1         +2
B         +4         -1         +3
B         +5         -1         +4
B         +6         -1         +5
B         +7         -1         +6

TOTAL WIN: +21 units

Let’s see the case of alternative colors (choppy streak):

SAME COLOR /  CHANGE COLOR /  TOTAL
B
R         -1         +1         0
B         -1         +2         +1
R         -1         +3         +2
B         -1         +4         +3
R         -1         +5         +4
B         -1         +6         +5
R         -1         +7         +6

TOTAL WIN: +21 units

So we don’t have to worry if there will be a trend of same color or a trend of change of color. We win in both situatiions
But there is another problem:
What if a streak of double colors ( B B R R B B R R R) appear -which is quite often)?

SAME COLOR /  CHANGE COLOR  /  TOTAL
B
B         +1         -1         0
R         -2         +1         -1
R         +1         -2         -1
B         -2         +1         -1
B         +1         -2         -1
R         -2         +1         -1
R         +1         -2         -1

TOTAL LOSE: -6 units

We see that we lose in every bet (the subtotals are always -1).

So we add a third player who bets on the opposite of the penultimate color.

STREAK OF DOUBLE COLORS WITH 3 PLAYERS

SAME COLOR  /  CHANGE COLOR /  PENULTIMATE / TOTAL
B
B         +1         -1         0          0
R         -2         +1         +1          0
R         +1         -2         +2         +1
B         -2         +1         +3         +2
B         +1         -2         +5         +3
R         -2         +1         +6         +4
R         +1         -2         +7         +5

TOTAL WIN: +15 units

Let’s see now that we have add he third kind of betting how’s the other two streaks (same color and change of color) :

STREAK OF SAME COLOR WITH 3 PLAYERS

SAME COLOR /  CHANGE COLOR / PENULTIMATE  /TOTAL
B
B         +1         -1         0          0
B         +2         -1         -1          0
B         +3         -1         -1         +1
B         +4         -1         -1         +2
B         +5         -1         -1         +3
B         +6         -1         -1         +4
B         +7         -1         -1         +5

TOTAL WIN: +15 units

CHOPPY STREAK OF ALTERNATIVE COLORS WITH 3 PLAYERS

SAME COLOR /   CHANGE COLOR/  PENULTIMATE  /OTAL
B
R         -1         +1         0          0
B         -1         +2         -1          0
R         -1         +3         -1         +1
B         -1         +4         -1         +1
R         -1         +5         -1         +2
B         -1         +6         -1         +3
R         -1         +7         -1         +4

TOTAL WIN: +16 units

As we can see, we use altogether 3 different bettings, without hunting any specific trend. Whatever trend will arise, (same colors, chops of 1 color, chops of two colors) we are winners.
Even if there is no big trend, or the trends interchange, we haven’t big loses.  because we reset to 1 in every lose.
And of course, there will be cases that we may face loses but those will be too small, which we can recover if a trend will arise. And in most cases, it isn’t necessary for the trend to be big, in order to recover.
And of course, if we play this system at the same time for B/R,  O/E and  L/H,  we raise the possibilities that a trend will come up sooner on at least one of those 3 ECs.
The pros of this system is that we don’t care of what kind of trend will appear. Whatever trend will be, we win. We also don’t face big loses as we play with positive progression.
Notes:
This system is not completed yet. I want to test some cases of alternative colors of different chops of 1 – 2 – 3 where there are loses and may either I will add a 4th player or I will have to change the kind of positive progression for one or more players (e.g. instead of resetting to 1 after one lose, to keep the bet the same, or bet one unit down, or resetting to “0” instead of resetting to 1….).
I’d also like to examine to add more players with different kind of betting (e.g. a player playing  alternately same/different color) , in order to cover any situation.
I would appreciate your contribution to this system, trying to play with any kind of  positive progressions with two or more  players in some different cases and make ammendments.
Maybe we would create a very safe winning system.
I'm now working on an excel file which I will finish and upload it tomorrow. In this file, the only thing you do is to put the outcome of every spin and the programm calculates all 3 bettings together and presents the final  betting (which side we should bet and the amount of betting)
If you are interested in the project, you can make your recomendations
I’m fully believe in team-work.
Keep in mind that this system could be nicely used in Baccarat !!!!

Thank you. I have used differential betting previously but not like this.
Thanks for a detailed explanation also.
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: tondeni on May 03, 06:38 PM 2020
Today I’m introducing my new system called “3D Differential Betting”

Many thanks to sharing this system with us.
I have really appreciated your clear and  accurate explanation of 3-D Differential betting.   :)

I was working on something similar, but in my case i was involving patterns (RR - RB - BB - BR)  - it can be a 4-D Diffrential betting  :)

I just followed that way , cause in some of my past roulette studies, i found that the pattern distribution could be much more less volatile compared to "single spin" distribution.

- in other words, their outcomes are a bit more balanced, also in a short term play.
- you can find more often a streak of spins, compared to a streak of same pattern.

Playing for single spin differential betting --> try to catch streaks of spins
Playing for pattern differential betting --> try to catch equilibrium of patterns

What if we merge the two ones?
I dont know if it can be a valid idea, but did you already try to increase the dimesion of differential betting, to check if it can lead to some advantage ?

I'm now working on an excel file which I will finish and upload it tomorrow. In this file, the only thing you do is to put the outcome of every spin and the programm calculates all 3 bettings together and presents the final  betting (which side we should bet and the amount of betting)
If you are interested in the project, you can make your recomendations
I’m fully believe in team-work.
Keep in mind that this system could be nicely used in Baccarat !!!!

Maybe can we test this on your excel sheet once it is ready?
I'm not a hard excel coder, but i can help a bit if you need.

Many thanks for your work,
tondeni

Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: Azim on May 04, 09:53 AM 2020
huskerdu,

Can you please confirm if this is right?

Color     Same color          Change color          penultimate color.
R
B                  -1                             +1                             0
G                  -1                             -2                              -1
R                  -1                              +1                            +1 (IGNORING G)
B                  -1                             +2                              +2
R                  -1                             +3                              +3
R                  +1                             -4                              -4
R                   +2                            -1                              +1
R                   +3                           -1                                +2
B                    -4                           +1                               -3
R                   -1                              +2                            +1
R                   +1                              -2                            +2

Thanks
Azim
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: huskerdu on May 04, 11:07 AM 2020
Color     Same color          Change color          penultimate color.
R
B                  -1                             +1                             0
G                  -1                             -2                              -1
R                  -1                              +1                            +1 (IGNORING G)
B                  -1                             +2                              +2
R                  -1                             +3                              +3
R                  +1                             -4                              -4
R                   +2                            -1                              +1
R                   +3                           -1                                +2
B                    -4                           +1                               -3
R                   -1                              +2                            +1
R                   +1                              -2                            +2

In the last column we bet on the change of color of penultimate not on the same as you have done.
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: huskerdu on May 04, 11:20 AM 2020
As I promised, I made an excell file for the 3D-differential betting system.
I have done it open source, so everybody can see the function in cells.
The only thing you have to do is clear the Bs and Rs that are already are in the first column, and start putting the outcomes of roulette (just write B or R).
As you put the outcomes, the system calculates the next bet (B or R and the units)
At the last column is the total ballance.
I have an attachment pic for you also to understand.
IMPORTANT: Don't use any other column exept of the first column where you put B or R, because all other columns are full of functions and if you put something in those cells the programm won't work.
I'm waiting for your comments and recomendations
Team-work is best.
Thanks
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: Azim on May 04, 11:27 AM 2020

In the last column we bet on the change of color of penultimate not on the same as you have done.

Yes. I noticed that.
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: mohitomish on May 04, 02:22 PM 2020
Hi,
thanks for this, I don't know why but look at this sequence, it dragged a bit, my first session.

b
b
r
b
b
r
b
r
r
b
r
r
b
b
b
b
b
b
r
b
r
r
b
r
r
r
r
r
r
r

got 1 unit
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: huskerdu on May 04, 02:40 PM 2020
You have right, because one of the killer strings that cannot handle yet is alternative streaks of single and double colors.
I'm working on it because those variations don't give any trend.
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: Richard Meisel on May 04, 07:50 PM 2020
You have right, because one of the killer strings that cannot handle yet is alternative streaks of single and double colors.
I'm working on it because those variations don't give any trend.
. Very interesting. I've been playing your 3-D system with 3 players and am Winning more with the negative progression 1-2-3-4-5. Starting with the Bet of 3 and going UP one after a Loss, and going Down one after a Win, and going Down 2 after 2 consecutive Wins or 2 out of 3. Test it, Husk, I think you'll like it.
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: huskerdu on May 05, 01:27 AM 2020
Very interesting. I've been playing your 3-D system with 3 players and am Winning more with the negative progression 1-2-3-4-5. Starting with the Bet of 3 and going UP one after a Loss, and going Down one after a Win, and going Down 2 after 2 consecutive Wins or 2 out of 3. Test it, Husk, I think you'll like it.

You have a stop loss after 1-2-3-4-5 ?
We never play negative progressions with differential betting, because the problemis that the one player who loses arises his bets while the other who wins , he wins just 1 unit. So if a bad streak for one oplayer appears, you lose it all.
So it is useles playing differential betting with negative progressions. Differential betting is to avoid big loses from negative progressions and take any advantage of any streak that is on favorite of one of the two players without losing huge money from negative progresions.
Say we have 2 players that one play for the RED and the other for the BLACK
If a row of BLACK appears we have:
Player RED              Player BLACK
-1                          +1
-2                          +1
-3                          +1
-4                          +1
-5                          +1
-6                          +1
.........
so if a big streak of RED appears you lose your bankroll
No it is useless the differential betting with negative progressions

Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: mohitomish on May 05, 02:02 AM 2020
You have right, because one of the killer strings that cannot handle yet is alternative streaks of single and double colors.
I'm working on it because those variations don't give any trend.

Don't worry, after that there were 15 reds In a row. Also, if you r only looking for streaks and patterns we can assume red and black to be any other 18 no bet right? So we can substitute them for any even chance on the spreadsheet?

Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: huskerdu on May 05, 02:50 AM 2020
Also, if you r only looking for streaks and patterns we can assume red and black to be any other 18 no bet right? So we can substitute them for any even chance on the spreadsheet?

Yes, the best way is to play at the same time , RED/BLACK, EVEN/ODD, HIGH/LOW. So if we have in one of them a trend the total amount could be positive.
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: charly on May 05, 01:23 PM 2020
The problem is - we never know when the winning streak is coming. It can happen soon and can happen after a month.
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: bikemotorman on Jan 20, 11:55 AM 2021
Seems very interesting guys.

Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: boatran8 on Jan 20, 04:12 PM 2021
Interesting indeed...

Someone has an idea to adapt this idea to dozens / columns ??
I'm working on a excel spreadsheet...

Thank you
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: Tobacco Vanille on Jan 20, 04:35 PM 2021
Thing is the chop is the most frequent event and then the author doesn't like neg progressions either.
If you are going to promote something which can't handle the most likely event (chops) and also can't recoup sensibly if and when you lose more hands than you win, then good luck with that!
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: Mister Eko on Jan 20, 04:49 PM 2021
Losing HG. 131 spins easy -30 unit loss.
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: holy roller on Jan 22, 12:29 AM 2021
I am not quite sure that I understand this. One person is playing red. One person is playing black, and one person is playing the second to last color?
Title: Re: 3-D Differential betting
Post by: Benny68 on Mar 18, 12:56 AM 2021
Hello. I am interested in your system. I would appreciate if you can send the spreadsheet so I could test it. Looking forward to your response. Thanks