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Title: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 09, 10:07 PM 2021
Testing one method and will track my progress here
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 09, 10:26 PM 2021
First Game Results
102 spins - Profit 118
Bets Loss 75 - Bets Won 13
Highest Progression 9 units - Highest Drawdown 156

I cant post the link from roulette simulator for some reason
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 09, 10:58 PM 2021
Second Game Results
111 spins - Profit 110
Bets Loss 68 - Bets Won 11
Highest Progression 10 units - Highest Drawdown 174
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 09, 11:11 PM 2021
This game was a mess, i had 3 units as 1 unit and i confused myself a few times  :twisted: , i also tried to cover zero on some bets.  Still came out on top but it was a mess

Third Game Results
96 spins - Profit 267
Bets Loss 63 - Bets Won 8
Highest Progression 10 units - Highest Drawdown 571
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 09, 11:20 PM 2021
This game i used 2 units as 1 unit bet so it was easier to track and control

Fourth Game Results
91 spins - Profit 206
Bets Loss 57 - Bets Won 12
Highest Progression 3 units - Highest Drawdown 110
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 09, 11:21 PM 2021
roulette-simulator.info

You can see the game play here and just search for my name MoneyT101
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 10, 12:10 AM 2021
I played using 2 units as 1 unit bets... This game i destroyed it  :twisted:

Pay attention to...how if i had held my bet one more spin i would have won a couple more(happened atleast 10 times)

Fifth Game Results
95 spins - Profit 336
Bets Loss 50 - Bets Won 15
Highest Progression 4 units - Highest Drawdown 120
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: 6th-sense on Sep 10, 01:52 AM 2021
Interesting buddy hope all is well
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: Blueprint on Sep 10, 04:38 AM 2021
Glad to see you’re alive and well. 
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 10, 11:16 AM 2021
Interesting buddy hope all is well

Thank you

Glad to see you’re alive and well. 

Nice to see you too


Alright lets test more spins...
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 10, 12:27 PM 2021
Game 6 Results
105 spins - Profit 262
Bets Loss 56 - Bets Won 12
Highest Progression 7 units - Highest Drawdown 231

Interesting sequence toying with me  :twisted:

29
21...I bet 3/6/9/12, 13/16/19/22, 27/30/33/36 L
2
11.....I bet 2/5/8/11 L
29
35.... I bet 26/29/32/35 L
2....... I bet 2/5/8/11 L  ( this was my bet before  :o)
32.....  I bet 26/29/32/35 L  ( this was my bet before  :o)
2.......  I bet 26/29/32/35 L ( I didnt want to switch lol)
8......  I bet 2/5/8/11 L ( i should have switched lol, lets try again)
6...... I bet 3/6/9/12 L ( something new finally)
11..... I bet 3/6/9/12 W (11 had came back but it was going to play with me again lol)
9..... I bet 3/6/9/12, 2/5/8/11 W ( played it just in case and it came back)
2.....  I bet 3/6/9/12 W ( 3 wins back to back,  who played who?  :twisted:)
9

Cant link it but copy and paste the address below

roulette-simulator.info/en/game/e98abeadbc1830146b7066b76527673a
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 10, 12:33 PM 2021
Game 6 Results
105 spins - Profit 262
Bets Loss 56 - Bets Won 12
Highest Progression 7 units - Highest Drawdown 231

Interesting sequence toying with me  :twisted:

29
21...I bet 3/6/9/12, 13/16/19/22, 27/30/33/36 L
2
11.....I bet 2/5/8/11 L
29
35.... I bet 26/29/32/35 L
2....... I bet 2/5/8/11 L  ( this was my bet before  :o)
32.....  I bet 26/29/32/35 L  ( this was my bet before  :o)
2.......  I bet 26/29/32/35 L ( I didnt want to switch lol)
8......  I bet 2/5/8/11 L ( i should have switched lol, lets try again)
6...... I bet 3/6/9/12 L ( something new finally)
11..... I bet 3/6/9/12 W (11 had came back but it was going to play with me again lol)
9..... I bet 3/6/9/12, 2/5/8/11 W ( played it just in case and it came back)
2.....  I bet 3/6/9/12 W ( 3 wins back to back,  who played who?  :twisted:)
9

Cant link it but copy and paste the address below

roulette-simulator.info/en/game/e98abeadbc1830146b7066b76527673a

The above sequence starts at spin 23
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 10, 01:04 PM 2021
This it?
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 10, 01:37 PM 2021
This it?

yea im playing a negative progression so the chart isnt going to look smooth at all
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 10, 01:45 PM 2021
This was the worst game as far as play goes.  But it didnt help i made so many mistakes.  Im going to play this exact game over to see if results will be better without the mistakes

but overall horrible game

Game 7 Results
114 spins - Profit 35
Bets Loss 66 - Bets Won 10
Highest Progression 17 units - Highest Drawdown 586

roulette-simulator.info/en/game/b5500f025664f35aedf9ec955068d1bd
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 10, 02:38 PM 2021
I found an issue with the automated bet selection.  Once i fix it ill just keep moving forward instead of going over each game.   Ill give a quick update on the previous ones as far as  wins/loss but nothing to detail cause it will just take time.
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 10, 04:35 PM 2021
Alright so i was able to fix the issue with the bet selection.  It helped keep the progression lower for some of the games.  Ill just update wins and loss.  Im not going to reset at roulette simulator, i'll just continue to play...

First Game Results
102 spins - Profit 118
Bets Loss 75 - Bets Won 13
Highest Progression 9 units - Highest Drawdown 156

Game 1 update - Bet loss 61 - Bets Won 14


Second Game Results
111 spins - Profit 110
Bets Loss 68 - Bets Won 11
Highest Progression 10 units - Highest Drawdown 174

Game 2 update - Bet loss 60 - Bets Won 12

Third Game Results
96 spins - Profit 267
Bets Loss 63 - Bets Won 8
Highest Progression 10 units - Highest Drawdown 571

Game 3 update - Bet loss 62 - Bets Won 8

Fourth Game Results
91 spins - Profit 206
Bets Loss 57 - Bets Won 12
Highest Progression 3 units - Highest Drawdown 110

Game 4 update - Bet loss 49 - Bets Won 12

Fifth Game Results
95 spins - Profit 336
Bets Loss 50 - Bets Won 15
Highest Progression 4 units - Highest Drawdown 120

Game 5 update - Bet loss 50 - Bets Won 16

Game 6 Results
105 spins - Profit 262
Bets Loss 56 - Bets Won 12
Highest Progression 7 units - Highest Drawdown 231

Game 6 update - Bet loss 56 - Bets Won 15

Game 7 Results
114 spins - Profit 35
Bets Loss 66 - Bets Won 10
Highest Progression 17 units - Highest Drawdown 586

Game 7 update - Bet loss 68 - Bets Won 13
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 10, 04:49 PM 2021
Game 8 Results
20 spins - Profit -142
Bets Loss 10 - Bets Won 0
Highest Progression 5 units - Highest Drawdown 142

I got distracted and bet the wrong number. So the system won but i didnt make the right bet.  So ill just take the loss and start over
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 10, 05:56 PM 2021
Another Crazy progression game towards the end it went smoother.

Game 9 Results
96 spins - Profit -213
Bets Loss 53 - Bets Won 11
Highest Progression 22 units - Highest Drawdown 777
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 10, 08:33 PM 2021
Game 10 Results
46 spins - Profit -155
Bets Loss 27 - Bets Won 7
Highest Progression 58 units - Highest Drawdown 2073

The progression is to high need to get shorter wins
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 11, 11:56 AM 2021
Guys im just here having fun and exploring a method.  Im not trying to join any groups and/or care if anyone is taking me serious or not. Just tracking a method live and trying to see if i can improve on it.

if you figured out the betselection im happy for you, Improve it!

Its the weekend and time to have some fun  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: Blueprint on Sep 12, 08:49 AM 2021
What’s the bet selection?  I’ll throw my hat in the ring for a few sessions of fun. 
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 13, 08:20 PM 2021
What’s the bet selection?  I’ll throw my hat in the ring for a few sessions of fun.

Ask Quo he said he figured it out
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 13, 08:31 PM 2021
Alright well i havent had a chance to test more but i did take some time today to think a bit about what i want to accomplish

The issue with this method is the progression is to high. So i will be adding a similar bet which will maybe go unnoticeable but this bet wins inbetween the original bet.  its not perfect but it might just help keep the progression lower.

Example using Game 10 starting spin 5.  Which is where the progression took me to far.  This add on bet will have prevented that becauade the original took me from spin 5 to spin 24.  Here by spin 10 i would win.  I dont care so much about the amount of spins but how many times i actually place a bet and lose.
L=Loss
W=Win
N=No bet

Bet 1.....Bet 2 new bet
L.............N
L..............L
N...........N
L............L
N............W

It might take me a day or two to add this to the bet selection so i will not be doing any more live games until then.
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: Blueprint on Sep 13, 09:00 PM 2021
Ask Quo he said he figured it out

I asked you and have no idea who that is. 

Sorry I won’t be chasing something with a drawdown.

Well, have good fun with it. 
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 15, 01:28 PM 2021
I asked you and have no idea who that is. 

Sorry I won’t be chasing something with a drawdown.

Well, have good fun with it.


I agree 100% with you
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: Blueprint on Sep 16, 05:41 AM 2021
I agree 100% with you

finally haha
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Sep 20, 05:47 PM 2021
finally haha

 :twisted: :twisted:



It might take me a day or two to add this to the bet selection so i will not be doing any more live games until then.


I attempted this but it didn’t solve my issue as much as I wanted it to.

So I started finding ways of combining things and came up with a different way to pick the result.  I’m testing manually on double streets for a better understanding

*CAUSE AND EFFECT

Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Oct 25, 08:16 PM 2021
Ok so just to give an update… every method or approach has something missing.

And we (I speak of every member looking for a way to win using non random events) haven’t quite figured out WHAT!

So it’s not that the overall method that fails.  Our approach towards the method has been wrong.

What I mean is….

The overall method involves cycles, combining spins, differential betting, pigeonhole principal.  This is still correct!

Now the way we are trying to get to the end is wrong.
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: Clf7 on Oct 25, 08:21 PM 2021
MoneyT enlight us!  ^-^
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: TRD on Oct 25, 08:23 PM 2021
MoneyT enlight us!  ^-^

& some GoodFellows'll be pissed ..
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Oct 25, 08:57 PM 2021
“To form a 38 spin repeating cycle using the 'PIGEONHOLE' principle in roulette requires that you follow 'SPECIFIC' betting rules !!”

“STEP 3.
I fed words that matched those in the 37 word set into my 100% Winning roulette system from the posts in the thread on the forum. My system created the 38 spin cycle and calculated the 'bet' amounts

These two quotes are from when dyksexlic spoke about word roulette vs rng roulette

Pay attention to the details…. specific betting rules and that the system created the 38 spin cycle
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: Clf7 on Oct 25, 09:14 PM 2021
Thanks for the reply....i think most of us know the claims, but nowhere even a small hint what to do in practice.They are so broadly worded that it could be anything.
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Oct 25, 09:54 PM 2021
Thanks for the reply....i think most of us know the claims, but nowhere even a small hint what to do in practice.They are so broadly worded that it could be anything.

Honestly many things are posted outright.  Just when it’s read we create our own understanding of what it means.

You know how many times I’ve read that info and just now I realized I’m doing something wrong.  It’s been what 5-7 years now?!

Those quotes clearly tell you that the 38 spins need to be created using the pigeonhole principal….What is everyone doing?

Everyone is tracking cycles betting on spins

Only thing is I learned early on to play for events and it’s why I’ve somewhat had success but even then I’ve been missing something.
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: CrazyK on Oct 26, 02:17 AM 2021
“To form a 38 spin repeating cycle using the 'PIGEONHOLE' principle in roulette requires that you follow 'SPECIFIC' betting rules !!”

“STEP 3.
I fed words that matched those in the 37 word set into my 100% Winning roulette system from the posts in the thread on the forum. My system created the 38 spin cycle and calculated the 'bet' amounts

These two quotes are from when dyksexlic spoke about word roulette vs rng roulette

Pay attention to the details…. specific betting rules and that the system created the 38 spin cycle

Once I had this idea, to use wheel outcomes as input to my system, and instead of seeking a repeat in numbers, look for a repeat in the input of my system. I tried a few ideas, like assuming the input is "the distance between previous number and current number". In this way, any input (wheel outcome) would point to 2 numbers on wheel (back and forth). So instead of looking for a repeat in wheel outcome itself, I would be looking for a repeat in distances. Obviously didn't work, but I guess this is how it's done. The challenge is to find an event that repeats at the same time as the real outcomes, but betting on all of previous outcomes of it (to catch a repeat) doesn't drain your bankroll (and your soul!). There must be a way to cancel a good number of bets while looking for a repeat, obviously lose some of them, but at the end you will have a guaranteed hit by 38th spin. PhP.

@Mel, how do assess this methodology?
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: Clf7 on Oct 26, 05:39 AM 2021
Everyone is tracking cycles betting on spins

I mean somehow must people play, we are betting spins when we play....The talk about events could be right,but in practice nobody knows how to use it, when and with what kind of Betselection to bet  etc :question:
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Oct 26, 11:01 AM 2021
I mean somehow must people play, we are betting spins when we play....The talk about events could be right,but in practice nobody knows how to use it, when and with what kind of Betselection to bet  etc :question:

Yes when you play you are placing a bet on a spin

Some of my recent post share information on betting on events. I also talk about how everything can be a cycle.  Pri has some post about it.  Even Falkor gave detailed examples on this forum of how to bet on events  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: saihtaM on Oct 26, 06:50 PM 2021
Yes when you play you are placing a bet on a spin

That's the problem (or so it seems). No matter the "events" or "processes" that our method is based on, the actual game proceeds one spin/bet at a time. If we want to accumulate winnings over multiple spins, we have to "collect" them on the level of individual spins, because there is no other way to do it.

Unfortunately, spins are independent. This means that the outcome (W or L) of an individual bet is tied to a single spin. Context (of other spins/outcomes) has no bearing on number generation.

How are we supposed to circumvent this? Yes, I know about "dependencies" that we can create "on paper". But at some point this has to translate into something that matters when we actually place a bet.

So the question is: How is such a "translation" possible, given the independence of spins?
Title: Re: Roulette Simulator - Method Testing
Post by: MoneyT101 on Oct 26, 07:56 PM 2021
That's the problem (or so it seems). No matter the "events" or "processes" that our method is based on, the actual game proceeds one spin/bet at a time. If we want to accumulate winnings over multiple spins, we have to "collect" them on the level of individual spins, because there is no other way to do it.

Unfortunately, spins are independent. This means that the outcome (W or L) of an individual bet is tied to a single spin. Context (of other spins/outcomes) has no bearing on number generation.

How are we supposed to circumvent this? Yes, I know about "dependencies" that we can create "on paper". But at some point this has to translate into something that matters when we actually place a bet.

So the question is: How is such a "translation" possible, given the independence of spins?

You still don’t understand what I am telling you!


Let’s just use RB as a quick example

If we get this result

RRBRBRRBBBRR

Each spin is 50% outcome we can agree

But now let’s say we track in pairs as a stitched bet we will have 4 groups.  Each spin is still 50% outcome but the overall game play is 25%

Group 1 -RR
Group 2 -RB
Group 3 -BB
Group 4 -BR

RR BR BR RB BB RR
-1—4—4—2—3—1

Your winning bet isn’t based on what happens on the first or the second spin individually 

It’s based on what happens in both bets together

You can take this further and add a bet on double street only on the second ec bet

So now let’s say your Second ec bet your expecting R..  you can only choose from double street 123.  Clearly you can’t choose 456 because they go with black

This is a form of dependency but also your stitched bet is a form of dependency because without the first bet winning the second bet isn’t possible.  You need the result to match for the second bet

Now you can take this further and track 3 spins or more.

But my point is… yes you are betting on a spin but your overall result doesn’t depend on 1 spin. It depends on what happens over a group

Same as 37 numbers you can only get to about 29 unique spins. This also applies to groups.  It’s a rule with numbers and they all follow it.

So whatever math statistics I get with paired ec I will get using quads bet of 9 numbers ( groups 1-4 as well)