How should we deal with the eventual disruptive posters?

[VLS]

Hello there.

A question that is open for everyone to have a word on: how should we deal with the eventual disruptive users?

We WILL NOT have moderators here. The community has to be self-moderated.

We have this community council section to achieve this.

All members ARE the watchers of the forum via the " REPORT THIS POST" button located at the lower-right part of every message.

- Every member can have a word on the posts from other members.
- Every member is welcome to express their views on why a certain message should, be considered to be deleted and every member has the right to stand for their words on the reported post.

Which ways would you guys suggest to deal with the critical posts? Should we have some members with removal right for immediate action when requires? Should the messages be marked non-visible until resolution of the post is completed?

What do you think about it?

Your ideas and suggestions welcome. We must be prepared for any eventuality.

Cheers,
Victor

[MrJ]

My biggest issue will be regarding 'bias', for or against methods/posts. I disagree with it at RF and want to remain consistent on the subject. Its ok to politely disagree (AP for example), it can be posted in a nice manner. Too many examples to list.....if you are not 100% for AP (sales), "then you need to go", only hidden by, "the members have spoken, I have nothing to do with it". Thats a LOAD and I hope it does not continue here on this fine board. We can all get along, its not as hard as people make it out to be, IMO.  Ken

[VLS]

Ken, we are open to any advantage player coming in and exposing their ways in a didactical manner.

We are not open to the "nothing works" criticism.  It is the de-facto standard that in a negative expectation game nothing works according to math. Let's say once and for all this is a forum with "WAYS TO PLAY", not declaring them WAYS TO WIN at roulette (bold statement). It will save us plenty of headaches.

Also, there is no section for AP other than bet selection one, because it is ultimate yet another way to answer the question "where to place your bet" (Be it bias, Ballistic, Dealer signature, etc... it is still a way to select your bets, hence to the bet selection area).

Hope you won't have to "cough" too much around here. We are open to people teaching their AP ways or any other ways for the matter, as long as they do it politely.

[MrJ]

"WAYS TO PLAY" >>> Very cool, I like it.  Ken

[hamsup_sotong]

how about asking the criticizing posters to show a way, or actually contribute in improving the method?

That could help. After all the evolution and improvement of betting methods is what we are looking for.

[MrJ]

lol, Been saying that for years. If someone slams another persons method, they have to post their method with ALL rules and it has to show an 'edge' over the long term....SAME rules for everyone. Also, they can not post anything related to non-testing, like AP (cough) as an example. "THEY" love to have it BOTH ways. Ken

[esoito]

Ah, yes. A topic dear to my heart...

IF disruption occurs on a regular basis then:

Suggestion For The Future
New members are signed up on 3 month's probation.

Pros
That will be long enough for them to show their real colours.

Cons
The work involved in administering such a scheme.


Not needed right now, of course, judging by the posts thus far.

Long may the current sweetness and light continue!! 

With careful screening of new applicants harmony has every chance of existing.

But, yes. There will be eventual disrupters -- no screening can ever be 100%.

The Golden Rule for those seeking membership should always be:  treat others as you would like to be treated.

There MUST be a consequence for those who ignore this and try to cause trouble. So I say ONE WARNING  -- THEN OUT if the disruption continues.

Anyway, thems ma thoughts, honeychil'

[iggiv]

this should be elite roulette forum, it must not be something like quarrels and stuff having place here. Abusive folks should be banned with no mercy i think.

If someone has some issue with someone which may lead to quarrel let's them sort it out privately

[ScoobyDoo]

Like my dear departed mom use to say.."It's not WHAT you say....It's how you choose to say it.

Many discussions (not here) end up with name calling and demeaning, sarcastic,  posturing.

I think that if a member receives X number of complaints, he should receive a public warning.....if he receives X numbers of complaints a second time he should receive a STERN public warning. If it happens a third time...that person should be banned. The "Three Strikes and You're Out"method.

Just my opinion.

 

[TwoCatSam]

I will probably be disruptive!

If I test something and it does not work, I will say so even if 10 of you say it does.   I will back it up with videos or actuals from Spielbank which can be verified.   I will question the author.   If the author does not answer, I will hound him relentlessly.

I suspect many of you are hand-picking your numbers to show good results.   Otherwise you would do like Mr Chips and begin with a certain table at Spielbank and test it daily so we would have continuity.   Then we could see things unfold in real time.   Before I buy into your system, I must buy into your testing.   Before I buy into your testing, I must buy into you.   If your credibility is near zero, so be it.

We will never find/learn anything by nodding our heads in agreement and walking lockstep over the cliff.   


Victor,  might as well ban me now and get it over with.   

Sam

[VLS]

We will never find/learn anything by nodding our heads in agreement and walking lockstep over the cliff.

I know Sam, I'm coding a tester. I like to get the facts too.

Victor,  might as well ban me now and get it over with.   

Let's see what you got, first 

[TwoCatSam]

OK, Boss, here's what I've got.    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .    .   

fender1000 has posted his system with his malleable rules.      He states that a game is eight spins:  four to qualify and four to bet.      Yet he says to wait until the very first game of the set misses nine times, not eight, and then hits.   

My question is:  Why is the first game nine spins and wait for a hit?  I waited 784 spins and got no sleepers of nine.      Now another fellow says he did the same and fender1000 says the guy should have jumped in.      What?  In violation of rule one?  

What is this??

How do you have "rules" which say, "Oh, you should have ignored the 'rules' and jumped in to play. "?  So the rule is to play when you want?

fender1000 told this guy he would have made a ton IF he had started playing.     

I have asked fender1000 for a set of iron, not clay, rules which can be applied without the subjective whim of the user.      The minute subjective enters into the equation, you no longer have a system, but a guessing game.   

I will expect an answer from fender1000. 

Sam

[iggiv]

Sam,  u never were a problem in VLS forum,  i read many of your posts. I don't believe u can be disruptive.

as for me i can never understand why would anyone make up some spins and confuse others about his methods. Just for his own ego "I have HG"? I don't get it. reality escape?

[TwoCatSam]

iggiv

I cannot say why people do this, but they do.

A fellow on VLS tested a system for thousands of spins--he said--and it won and won.  When I tested it, it failed miserably.  I offered to view the spins from Spielbank he was using, but he refused to give the the dates and table.

I strongly feel these people have low self-esteem and want to appear to be something great to those who will follow them blindly.  The fellow who wrote TARZAN was only writing his fantasies as he was a weakling and a coward.  Or so I read....

Sam