Virtual win first. EC bet.

P.A · Jul 26, 01:00 AM 2015

HOW I BET, RED EC.

[or any EC.]

Rules/bet selection / MM
Progression used is +1 after W , and after 2Losses, -1.

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1]Wait for one virtual WIN of red to hit first.

THEN,after a virtual W,

2] Wait FOR A trigger,
of RED, to hit...in next 2spins.

IF no trigger in the next 2spins.

ABORT session, and restart!
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Wait for new virtual win, of RED.

1]Wait for one virtual WIN of red to hit first.

THEN,after a virtual W,

2] Wait FOR A trigger,
of RED, to hit...in next 2spins.

3]When a Trigger hit, in the next 2spins after a virtual win.

4]Bet red for four time.

5]If not hit in the 4spins attempt, ABORT.
Start a new session.
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What if RED keep hitting?

1]Wait for one virtual WIN of red to hit first.

THEN,after a virtual W,

2] Wait FOR A trigger,
of RED, to hit...in next 2spins.

3]When a Trigger hit, in the next 2spins after a virtual win.

4]Bet red for four time.

5]If RED hit in the 1st,2nd,3rd,4th spins, continue to bet till in profit, ABORT when LOSE 4spins in a row.
Start anew session.

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This system HAS a FLAW due to law of edge, and other laws.!
IF U KNOW HOW TO RECTIFY THE FLAW, U HAVE A NEAR HG.
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example of strategy.

wait for virtual win:
B
B
B
RED=virtual win, get ready.
B
B
B=abort, no trigger, IN 2SPINS
B
B
B
RED=virtual win, get ready.
B
B
B=abort, no trigger
B
B
RED=virtual win, get ready
B
RED=trigger!
B=bet=lose1
B=bet=lose2
B=bet=lose3
B=bet=lose4
B=Abort, 4losses in row.
B
B
B
RED=virtual win, get ready
B
RED=trigger!
B=bet=lose1
B=bet=lose2
B=bet=lose3
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
B=bet=lose1
B=bet=lose2
B=bet=lose3
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
B=bet=lose1
B=bet=lose2
B=bet=lose3
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
B=bet=lose1
B=bet=lose2
B=bet=lose3
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
B=bet=lose1
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
B=bet=lose1
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
B=bet=lose1
B=bet=lose2
B=bet=lose3
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
B=bet=lose1
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
B=LOSE1
B=LOSE2
B=LOSE3
B=LOSE4, 4losses in row.
B=ABORT, START ANEW
B=
B=
RED=virtual win, get ready
B=
RED=trigger!
B=bet=lose1
B=bet=lose2
B=bet=lose3
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
RED=hit, bet for next 4spins
B=LOSE1
B=LOSE2
B=LOSE3
B=LOSE4, 4losses in row.
B=ABORT, START ANEW
B=
B=
RED=virtual win, get ready
B=
RED=trigger!

P.A · Jul 26, 05:28 AM 2015

As I see it,
all progression will fail when ,
the winning,
hit less from the,
needed,
"expectation-of-hit",
for a particular progression to win,
at least 1unit.

eg. Labby failed,
because the winning ,
hit less than 1/3, etc.

Marthy failed,
when losses hit up to 20, streak?

Thus, that why I say,

A flaw,
will make this method losing huge.
Only rectified flaw's causes ,
may make this progression,
or other well known progression,
a long term winner.

"progression theories",
CANNOT change the expectation of winnings.

It will sooner or later, fail,
when the long "UNEXPECTED" streak, arrived!

By now only few people understand how to rectify the flaw.
it is not the law of probability,
or edge,
but rather in the law of distribution.
and other laws

Sadly,
only a few ,
willing to work hard very hard to understand.
but once understood,
will change the way he view gambling FOREVER.
Thanks.

holymoly · Jul 26, 06:31 AM 2015

Try no zero wheel at Bet Voyager

Intresting system

Good luck!

atlantis · Jul 26, 07:04 AM 2015

Hi P.A,

Let's look at it from the BLACK side of those results using the same rules and progression.
Progression used is +1 after W , and after 2 Losses, -1.

B trigger
B vwin
B w
R L
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
R L
B w
R L
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
R L
B w
R L
B w
B w
B w
R L
B w
B w
B w
R L
B w
B w
B w
R L
R L
R L
R L - 4 losses!
R
R
B trigger
B vwin
B w
R L
B w
R L
B w
R L
B w
B w
B w
R L
B w
R w
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
R L
B w
R L
B w
B w
B w
R L
R L
R L
R L - 4 losses
B trigger
B vwin
B w
B w
B w
B w
B w
R L
B w
R L

If I have understood it right there are plenty of wins on the black side! Maybe we could use the PA formula on BOTH sides (R and B) and "bet the difference" on each spin?? This could mean on some spins there would be level bets making it a no-bet spin scenario???

A.

atlantis · Jul 26, 09:01 AM 2015

OK. Here goes - using PA's numbers and betting BOTH sides with his suggested progression. Individual progression for each side of the EC.

Result Black Red +/-
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B trigger
B vwin
B w1 +1
R L-2 trigger -1
B w2 +1
B w3 +4
B w4 +8
B w5 +13
B w6 +19
B w7 +26
B w8 +34
B w9 +43
B w10 +53
B w11 +64
B w12 +76
R L-13 trigger +63
B w13 +76
R L-14 vwin +64
B w14 L1 +75
B w15 L1 +89
B w16 L1 +104
B w17 L1 - 4 losses +120
B w18 +138
B w19 +157
B w20 +177
B w21 +198
R L-22 vwin +176
B w22 +198
R L-23 trigger +175
B w23 L-1 +197
B w24 L-1 +220
B w25 L-1 +244
R L-26 w1 +219
B w26 L-2 +243
B w27 L-2 +268
B w28 L-1 +295
R L-29 w1 +267
B w29 L-2 +294
B w30 L-2 +322
B w31 L-1 +352
R L-32 w1 +321
R L-32 w2 +291
R L-30 w3 +264
R L-30 4L's w4 +238
R w5 +243
R w6 +249
B trigger L-7 +242
B vwin L-7 +235
B w1 L-5 +231
R L-2 w5 +234
B w2 L-6 +230
R L-3 w6 +233
B w3 L-7 +229
R L-4 w7 +232
B w4 L-8 +228
B w5 L-8 +225
B w6 L-6 +225
R L7 w6 +224
B w7 L-7 +224
R L8 w7 +223
B w8 L-8 +223
B w9 L-8 +224
B w10 L-6 +228
B w11 L-6 4L's +233
B w12 +245
B w13 +258
B w14 +272
R L-15 trigger +257
B w15 +272
R L-16 vwin +256
B w16 L-1 +271
B w17 L-1 +287
B w18 L-1 +304
R L-19 w1 +286
R L-19 w2 +269
R L-17 w3 +255
R L-17 4L's w4 +243
B trigger L-5 +236
B vwin L-5 +231
B w1 L-3 +229
B w2 L-3 4 L's +228
B w3 +231
B w4 +235
B w5 +240
R L-5 trigger +235
B w5 +240
R L-5 vwin +235

+235 !?

Tell me if I'm right, PA!

A.

atlantis · Jul 26, 11:53 AM 2015

I keep PA's same Rules as before but apply different MM...

Progression:
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After 2 consecutive wins increase bet by +1u
After ANY loss - reduce bet to 1u

Here I use PA's same results:

Result Black Red +/-
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B trigger +0
B vwin
B w1 +1
R L1 trigger +0
B w1 +1
B w1 +2
B w2 +4
B w2 +6
B w3 +9
B w3 +12
B w4 +16
B w4 +20
B w5 +25
B w5 +30
B w6 +36
R L6 trigger +30
B w1 +31
R L1 vwin +30
B w1 L1
B w1 L1
B w2 L1 +31
B w2 L1 4L's +32
B w3 +35
B w3 +38
B w4 +42
B w4 +46
R L5 vwin +41
B w1 +42
R L1 trigger +40
B w1 L1
B w1 L1
B w2 L1 +41
R L2 w1 +42
B w1 L1
B w1 L1
B w2 L1 +43
R L2 w1 +42
B w1 L1
B w1 L1
B w2 L1 +43
R L2 w1 +42
R L1 w1
R L1 w2 +43
R L1 4L's w2 +44
R w3 +47
R w3 +50
B trigger L4 +46
B vwin L1 +45
B w1 L1
R L1 w1
B w1 L1
R L1 w1
B w1 L1
R L1 w1
B w1 L1
B w1 L1
B w2 L1 +46
R L2 w1 +45
B w1 L1
R L1 w1
B w1 L1
B w1 L1
B w2 L1 +46
B w2 L1 4L's +47
B w3 +50
B w3 +53
B w4 +57
R L4 trigger +53
B w1 +54
R L1 vwin +53
B w1 L1
B w1 L1
B w2 L1 +54
R L1 w1
R L1 w1
R L1 w2 +55
R L1 4L's w2 +56
B trigger L3 +53
B vwin L1 +52
B w1 L1
B w1 L1 4L's
B w2 +54
B w2 +56
B w3 +59
R L3 trigger +56
B w1 +57
R L1 vwin +56

+56u profit
Highest bet =5

Here I use a few numbers from one of my recent session:

res black red +/-
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r trigger +0*
b trigger
r vwin
b vwin L1 -1
b w1 L1 -1
r L1 w1 -1
b w1 L1 -1
b w1 L1 -1
r L2 w1 -2
r L1 w1 -2
b w1 L2 -3
b w1 L1 -3
b w2 L1 -2
b w2 L1 4L's -1
b w3 +2*
b w3 +5*
b w4 +9*
r L4 trigger +5
b w1 +6
r L1 vwin +5
r L1 w1 +5
b w1 L1 +5
r L1 w1 +5
r L1 w1 +5
b w1 L2 +4
r L1 w1 +4
b w1 L1 +4
r L1 w1 +4
r L1 w1 +4

+4u profit
Highest bet = 4

Differential betting applies. To avoid 0 - maybe use baccarat?

A.

P.A · Jul 27, 12:19 AM 2015

Wow!
Atlantis,
Thanks for your ideas,
I never thought to bet BOTH way.

You;re really hardworking guy,
Thanks a lot.

What if both sides hit within expectation?
I mean , both B and RED have almost 48/48 hit in 100spin?

Any advice?

denzie · Sep 04, 02:17 PM 2015

This looks pretty good ....Atlantis did you test any further or you stopped?

atlantis · Sep 04, 02:34 PM 2015

Yeah! I stopped. Cannot now remember why... Maybe should have carried on a bit longer?
But he's right in the end - something need tweaking/changing a little.

A.

denzie · Sep 04, 02:54 PM 2015

Yeah u should

+235 is huge...but a lot of black there of course. ...

Still very very nice results

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