Don't Use "Holy Grail" Unless It Is.

[GLC]

Fellow Travelers,

Here's my definition of a Holy Grail.  It is a system for playing 0/00 roulette so that any person with average intelligence, who knows how to play roulette, understands all the bets and has 2 or 3 hours to play, can sit down at a table and play this system with a reasonable amount of money, for a reasonable amount of risk and walk away winning enough money to make the effort worthwhile.  It has to be a simple system that can be tested easily and end up with profit on a relatively small number of spins and on an infinite number of spins.  

The more complicated the system, the more waiting for a trigger, the more subjectivity involved, the more patience needed, the more self-discipline needed etc... makes it impossible the determine if it's really the Holy Grail or just another longgggg lucky streakkkkk.  Or a system that only a few unique individuals can claim as their Holy Grail.  The rest of us shmucks are just SOL.

So, if I see the word Holy Grail attached to a system, I assume the author is a true saint in every aspect of the word, (else why divulge such a powerful thing to the masses,) or one prone to hyperbole who gets ahead of the facts, making outlandish claims that sooner or later show his lack of understanding of exactly what the Holy Grail really is.

No attack on anyone in particular intended, just my take on the subject.

George

[albalaha]

  Dear George,
                             good definition. I totally agree with you but I think there should be one more aspect of a "Holy Grail"---it should always give positive results in long run say in a session of 200 spins max because in live roulette you can very rarely play more than that. Although George you did not point towards me but I had to answer because I have claimed to have a holy grail.

[GLC]

Dear George,
                             good definition. I totally agree with you but I think there should be one more aspect of a "Holy Grail"---it should always give positive results in long run say in a session of 200 spins max because in live roulette you can very rarely play more than that. Although George you did not point towards me but I had to answer because I have claimed to have a holy grail.

Albalaha,

You have issued a challenge to the members.  It involves things that are above my level or ability to participate in.  In other words, it's out of my league.  Unless you post it on the forum for all to see, understand and participate in, I'll keep reading and see how it develops.  We'll eventually see if you're a saint or ............

George

P.S.  Saints are very, very rare!  (I confess, my definition of a saint my not square with the true definition.)

[F_LAT_INO]

Albalaha,

You have issued a challenge to the members.  It involves things that are above my level or ability to participate in.  In other words, it's out of my league.  Unless you post it on the forum for all to see, understand and participate in, I'll keep reading and see how it develops.  We'll eventually see if you're a saint or ............

George

P.S.  Saints are very, very rare!  (I confess, my definition of a saint my not square with the true definition.)

George,
You act and fairly behave like a saint,in all aspects.

[winkel]

so that any person with average intelligence, who knows how to play roulette, understands all the bets and has 2 or 3 hours to play, can sit down at a table and play this system with a reasonable amount of money, for a reasonable amount of risk and walk away winning enough money to make the effort worthwhile.   It has to be a simple system that can be tested easily and end up with profit on a relatively small number of spins and on an infinite number of spins.   

The more complicated the system, the more waiting for a trigger, the more subjectivity involved, the more patience needed, the more self-discipline needed etc. . .  makes it impossible the determine if it's really the Holy Grail or just another longgggg lucky streakkkkk.

I absolutely donÃ,´t agree with that.

If Roulette could be beaten by a strategy you discribed it would have been beaten since some hundred years.

A Holy Grail is not a gift for lazy ones.  It is the benefication to those who study and learn and involve all their abilities.

Excalibur was only dedicated to a very special Person, not to everyone.
Why should be a Holy Grail for dump and lazy people to achieve?

br
winkel

[GLC]

I absolutely donÃ,´t agree with that.

If Roulette could be beaten by a strategy you discribed it would have been beaten since some hundred years.

A Holy Grail is not a gift for lazy ones.  It is the benefication to those who study and learn and involve all their abilities.

Excalibur was only dedicated to a very special Person, not to everyone.
Why should be a Holy Grail for dump and lazy people to achieve?

br
winkel

Dear Winkel,

Excalibur is a fairy tale and I'm afraid the Holy Grail for roulette isn't much different.  Those who have invested so much of their time and money into developing the holy grail in roulette are usually the ones who are most opposed to any diminishing of the sacred status of anyone who claims to have discovered such a system.  

For most of us Roulette is an interesting pasttime.  For some, their whole sense of self-worth is tied up in being recognized as having discovered such a coveted thing, "The Holy Grail".  

Those of us who devote most of our time and energy on other more charitable pursuits and not on roulette are "dump and lazy people"?  I fear that your view of the world is just a little askew.

Anyway, the "Holy Grails" I've read about have been so complicated that most people on these forums are not convinced that they will deliver in the long run.  Some are lucky using them and some are not.  That's why it's so hard to prove to the point of having real confidence to invest substantial time and money in them.

I'm sorry, but with my limited knowledge, I have to side with Fender's idea of a high strike rate and with controlled play and  yes, some luck, you can eek out a few coins.  Maybe even on a regular basis.

Who wants to spend the rest of their life sitting in casinos at a roulette table for hours on end?  (I guess the answer to that may quite a lot of us).

I should close before I talk myself out of playing roulette at all.

Regards,

George

[esoito]

LOL.

Oscar Wilde once referred to fox hunters as "The Unspeakable In Pursuit Of The Uneatable."

Very droll.

Almost applicable to roulette aficionados as well!!

[albalaha]

Dear brothers,
                      I say I have developed a holy grail. I know it is most difficult thing to believe. My holy grail has not failed till now but may be it fail sometime in a very complex situation. I have posted hints and outlines of my holy grail in my holy grail challenge thread. Please see yourself whether it is digestible to you or not.
                                            I think soon I will feature myself in Ripley's believe it or not, as only person in the world who ever had a holy grail just kidding.

[VLS]

I think soon I will feature myself in Ripley's believe it or not, as only person in the world who ever had a holy grail

Winning more than losing consistently isn't an exclusive feat of single a person in the world

just kidding.

I know! 

[winkel]

Dear Winkel,

Excalibur is a fairy tale and I'm afraid the Holy Grail for roulette isn't much different.   Those who have invested so much of their time and money into developing the holy grail in roulette are usually the ones who are most opposed to any diminishing of the sacred status of anyone who claims to have discovered such a system.   

who knows better than me 

For most of us Roulette is an interesting pasttime.   For some, their whole sense of self-worth is tied up in being recognized as having discovered such a coveted thing, "The Holy Grail".   

I donÃ,´t think so.  IÃ,´d prefer that the words "Holy Grail" are deleted from every title of topic unless:
- the whole strategy is explained
- the strategy is already tested using some thousands of spins
- the test can be repeated here in public

otherwise just claiming not explaining the words are deleted

that everybody is able to understand it should be no reason.  Einstein explained the Universe and not all people do understand him.

Those of us who devote most of our time and energy on other more charitable pursuits and not on roulette are "dump and lazy people"?  I fear that your view of the world is just a little askew.

You did get me wrong.  But the HG is not a gift to everyone only to the ones who deserve it.

Anyway, the "Holy Grails" I've read about have been so complicated that most people on these forums are not convinced that they will deliver in the long run.   Some are lucky using them and some are not.   That's why it's so hard to prove to the point of having real confidence to invest substantial time and money in them.

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One asked me to teach him how to play, but he didnÃ,´t even understand the basics.  do you think there is hope for him? Can a HG be simple as: "Sit on toilet for 3 hours then run out and bet on red at the nearest table"?

There are a lot of fairytales describing human behaviour.  And I think it didnÃ,´t change over hundreds of years: Everyone wants to be rich, at once  and doing nothing for it.  Everyone else has to help them but only if there is no work left to themselves.

And they wonder why they donÃ,´t find the HG but only Holy Shit

br
winkel

[Proofreaders2000]

If you really want a "Holy Grail", own a casino and keep guys like Winkel far away  

[albalaha]

earlier in this thread I have given the outlines of my technique and in my holy grail challenge thread posted my winnings. my system is based upon triggers of something which keeps happening all the time and contrary is rarest of rare. I am not God, but this discovery of mine may change the way roulette is being played. Suspicion on any such claim is but natural.