NASA's Kepler Has Big News for Humankind

[iggiv]

link:://news.softpedia.com/news/NASA-s-Kepler-Has-Big-News-for-Humankind-153333.shtml

[ThomasGrant]

There has been evidence of life on other planets for years.
Thousands of years.

UFO's?

We are not alone.
Never have been.

[mr.ore]

What is the probability that the Earth is the only planet in space where life appeared? I would bet that it is very, very small number.  I believe that life is the property of matter itself.  Because there are particles and molecules, which are governed by certain rules, there have to emerge some systems, and from them can emerge even more complex systems, and that's life.

I would say that even stars, including our Sun are live beings, yet very primitive.  They are born in nebula, they shines for some time, then hydrogen is used up and they die.  From the remnants another nebula might form, and from that star's offspring.  Earth itself is living organism, because it is a dynamic self regulating system.  Self-regulation is another step in for matter in it's journey to become life.  Even society is a living organism, same applies for economy, Internet and other systems.  It's another level, when matter becomes information medium, and virtual systems emerge or are even created.  Everything is living, and everything is dead, there is no difference.

Real life as we understand it is an attempt of matter to fight entropy, it is a border between stochastic chaos, and deterministic solid object.  If some natural process is too random and chaotic, any structures that are randomly formed will not survive for too long, if something is inanimate, it does not change, and live is also not possible.  During the transition between stochastically moving matter and inanimate matter, live might emerge.  It is because of evolutionary principle - if some structures emerge when randomness is decreasing, than it does not want to be extinguished, and structures that can enforce at least some deterministic movement survives, and self replication is way to go for it.  Life is the property of matter, it cannot be different because space is like that (anthropic principle in cosmology).

Practically, type in google words: conway life game applet, find some applet and have a fun with artificial life Yes, as long as there are some rules for particles, life will soon or later emerge. 

[Twisteruk]

There has been evidence of life on other planets for years.
Thousands of years.

Could you provide a link to this please Thomas ? I love reading about all this type of conversation !

I agree we are cant be alone in the Universe, I mean 15 Billion Years and JUST us ? Nah ! There has to be some life some where !!!

Intresting Stuff for sure !

[ThomasGrant]

Could you provide a link to this please Thomas ? I love reading about all this type of conversation !

I agree we are can't be alone in the Universe, I mean 15 Billion Years and JUST us ? Nah ! There has to be some life some where !!!

Intresting Stuff for sure !

Err, not to sure about links.
I think I provided some info from Nassim Haramein.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/off-topic/nassim-haramein/
He goes on to talk about Pyramids.
And how they are in Egypt, Mexico, China and Japan.
There are also ancient text that describe UFO's or strange things.
So evidence is out there.
Nassim ask, why have pyramids?
That are in a certain similar pattern or layout?

Plus when you consider it logically.
In such a vast amount of space.
There must be other planets out their.
That have some form of intelligent life on them.

[GARNabby]

What is the probability that the Earth is the only planet in space where life appeared? I would bet that it is very, very small number.  I believe that life is the property of matter itself.  Because there are particles and molecules, which are governed by certain rules, there have to emerge some systems, and from them can emerge even more complex systems, and that's life.

Reminds me of a story about a young man in my locale who was injured years back in a car-accident.  He survived, but serious mental injuries left him unable to ever return to university, and many of the other activities to which he was accustomed.  There was another story in the paper a month ago about it, still living with his parents now.  But what I recall most, a couple of years after the accident, was his mother speaking on a documentary about her son's new-found reluctance to "throw anything out" which could be repaired or re-used.

What's striking isn't the obvious subconscious analogy to (not throwing out) himself, but that such is even possible.  By assuming there's "life" on every corner of the universe, what's special about that?  Sure, the only thing which really isn't moving is the universe, itself, but just because every thing else "moves"... doesn't necessarily imply much more.

Evolution has peaked and collapsed back to "worms" at least seven times since the formation of the earth, so why not let's try to cross that critical threshold of true survival?  And every thing which grows (as well as moves) does so by some leading edge or part of itself, so maybe we're that leading edge for such a sentient life-form... as must someone be alone in the universe when first crossing it.

[iggiv]

   
"What is the probability that the Earth is the only planet in space where life appeared? I would bet that it is very, very small number.  I believe that life is the property of matter itself.  Because there are particles and molecules, which are governed by certain rules, there have to emerge some systems, and from them can emerge even more complex systems, and that's life."


Earth is not the only planet with life for sure, the question is how far are such planets from us, they can be so far away that we may never meet other humanoids like us. thousands or millions of light years away.    
   

[GARNabby]

Earth is not the only planet with life for sure, the question is how far are such planets from us, they can be so far away that we may never meet other humanoids like us. thousands or millions of light years away.

Great, no proof or even a real theory but hope which seems fading... only a real gambler could still be so "sure"?

[F_LAT_INO]

-I hope they got a roulette over there,in
case we go there after our reincarnation.

[ThomasGrant]

-I hope they got a roulette over there,in
case we go there after our reincarnation.

ROFL...

Good one.

[iggiv]

Great, no proof or even a real theory but hope which seems fading... only a real gambler could still be so "sure"?

It is not about gambling. Think of universe, there are billions of billions of stars and planets, and even galaxies, whatever. There can not be a chance that in the whole universe a planet like Earth is alone. For sure there are other planets with natural conditions like on Earth with the same life evolution. And there are lots of them of course. Earth can not be unique in the whole Universe. The only question is how far away are they. It is very possible they are so far away from us and from each other that we will never ever meet. All our Sun planet system is like a tiny piece of sand in a Universe, and even our galaxy is.

[F_LAT_INO]

UH--I have seen one from the other planet this morning.
You wouldn't believe....Albalaha... LOL

[iggiv]

I will tell you something more. because Universe is endless,  chances are that very far away from us can be exact copy of Earth with all the population, all history, all people and languages that are the same. same VLS, same iggiv, same nicks somewhere trillions of trillions of light years from here. exactly the same people playing the same roulette. there also could be alternative planets very similiar to Earth, even called like this, but with ways which happened a little different. There could be similar planet which is called Earth, but with no Canada, France or the United States. History could go another way, and another country took their place. And there could be a planet which is called Earth which has never ever experienced world communism or the Second world war.

To think about it, there could be planets with all the people unnaturally happy where wars and problems has gone long time, and there is no poverty, and no interest in money or winning roulette. Like in Lennon's "Imagine". Very few lucky planets like this. But many more probably living in hell and people there dying by millions. Just like roulette -- there are few lucky people which always win, and there are many more that lose.

[GARNabby]

I will tell you something more. because Universe is endless,  chances are that very far away from us can be exact copy of Earth with all the population, all history, all people and languages that are the same. same VLS, same iggiv, same nicks somewhere trillions of trillions of light years from here. exactly the same people playing the same roulette. there also could be alternative planets very similiar to Earth, even called like this, but with ways which happened a little different. There could be similar planet which is called Earth, but with no Canada, France or the United States. History could go another way, and another country took their place. And there could be a planet which is called Earth which has never ever experienced world communism or the Second world war.

To think about it, there could be planets with all the people unnaturally happy where wars and problems has gone long time, and there is no poverty, and no interest in money or winning roulette. Like in Lennon's "Imagine". Very few lucky planets like this. But many more probably living in hell and people there dying by millions. Just like roulette -- there are few lucky people which always win, and there are many more that lose.

Why is it that most of us get "p*ssed off" in ten-minute line-ups, but will spend life-times waiting for the above to magically just happen?

[iggiv]

it will never happen, bud. we will never meet them. they are too far away. No technology is capable to bring us closer. No magic here.