New consept that has never being seen before that may produce a flat EC winner

[Turner]

"""MOPs completly changed character recently....he's gone all nice and understanding. that's twitching my radar too."""

turnerfeck I will tell you something now and please don't get it wrong...my intention is not to insult you.Its just make something clear to you....(if u won t understand I don't care at all)
You have attacked me a lot of times in the past and all the times was without any reason...so MY opinion is that your radar was always off ...at least with my case.

I was never bad in the forum....The only thing that may be seemed bad is that I couldn t stand reading topics/posts that were including same old losing systems and GFs.
So I was always telling in my posts to move forward and get over the old BS because they were proven losers....
Now I learned that some people will never change...because they don't want or because theor minds can t understand the maths,the odds,the common sense....

So from this learning I stopped trying to tell what is right and what is wrong(according to maths/statistics) to those kind of people because it was only a waste of time...

This is the reason why as you say I am good these days...
But it s not about being good....its a about stop caring to update the forum by explaining to some members(that are deep in the GF) what isn t working....

I would like not to chat this anymore...now I am calm or I don't care about explaining the Gfs to some members and i no longer make fights....(the fights I was making wasn t with intetntion...they just were the result of explaining what is correct)

I dont think I attacked you from my memory....infact i said this in your defense in July when Vile..or Flat, who ever....had the rope over the tree branch ready for your head

Quote..."My 2 peneth. I don't want MOP banned because i think he has roulette input of some worth. I think he can't resist conflict so its up to him. It may be too late now. I hope I'm wrong" unquote

I just type what Im thinking....sorry. its probably why many dont like me. That and because Im a bit stup1d.....no one likes a stup1d...lol....

I did say in my post "......if I am way out....I totally apologise to you both "

[Master_of_pockets]

I think I remember 1-2 times that you attacked me but maybe i am wrong.
I think I haven t seen this post of yours above.

Anyway the point is that I no longer care for members that are deep in the GF and have also a thick head...I realised that if they don t want to learn ,then they deserve to stay in the dark and the GF...
This is also why I put this phrase in my signature.
Now did u underatand the tracking from my last posts mate?

[Turner]

I think I remember 1-2 times that you attacked me but maybe i am wrong.
I think I haven t seen this post of yours above.

Anyway the point is that I no longer care for members that are deep in the GF and have also a thick head...I realised that if they don't want to learn ,then they deserve to stay in the dark and the GF...
This is also why I put this phrase in my signature.
Now did u underatand the tracking from my last posts mate?

MOP...Ill be honest....Im missing something...

I get what is happening in the text and explaination. I dont get why I am doing it....for what purpose.

I did say i am a bit thick.....but its like me saying "put the clutch in, change gear, let the clutch out, press the accellerator, put the clutch in, change to 2nd gear, let the clutch out"

but I didnt say its driving a car...If you dont know its driving a car...that stuff wont mean anything.

driving a car...is the reason for all that.

Do you get my point?

[Master_of_pockets]

yes i got ur point but did u get mine?

1st learing HOW to do it and THEN the possible ways to bet are a lot.

[Turner]

yes i got your point but did u get mine?

1st learing HOW to do it and THEN the possible ways to bet are a lot.

I get you....when I taught chess...we learned how a knight can get from one point to another in the shortest route...one knight on a chess board on its own. Thats not chess though.

[malcop]

I get you....when I taught chess...we learned how a knight can get from one point to another in the shortest route...one knight on a chess board on its own. that's not chess though.

I learned chess the same way also, and then once I learnt all the moves of the chess peices, then I could start to put it all together and play a game of chess(did not say it was great chess but at least I understood the moves)

[Master_of_pockets]

exactly...these are the moves that have to be understood in order for the final system to be made and eventually get played.

[TwoCatSam]

--Are you camping Sam and travelling around.....nice if so.

FLATman

We are driving to Florida to see Winter, the dolphin with the prosthetic tail!  And on down South to the Keys.  Be gone nearly a month, but the computer goes with me.

Sam

[Skakus]

"""Remember this is not a system, it is a concept that can be applied in many ways how many is upto you, if you want a ready made system then this is not for you, but if you want something fresh, that with a bit of imagination used in multiple ways then this could be for you."""

This is exactly what I have posted 3-4 times in this thread before and after Malcop posted the explanation.

It s a very simple thing....If I would have a person here with me and show him with pen and papper he would understand this tracking of the Ecs(Runs and Changes) in just 1 minute.
The problem is that we are all far away and with words we are trying to explain what we mean.

In order to help you I will just say that :

We are taaking the Last spin spun and we are compairing with the previous spins(Ecs only)

e.g..
Last spin                                31
2nd spin before(penultimate)   32
3d spin before                         2

so we are taking the Last spin 31 and we compare with the spin before(penultimate).
31= Black , 32= Red ...SO its a CHANGE
Next we are taking also the last spin 31 and we compare it with the 3d spin before
31=Black ,2=Black...So its a RUN

ITS REALY THAT SIMPLE

we do this in every spin for lets say 6 spins results....
On every new spin we are doing the same procces...
And after some spins we wll have something like this(every comparing I name it EVENT). So if we have 6 spins we are having 5 events.(because the last spin will always be the spin that we compare with the rest spins(previous ones)

    1Event                2Event            3 Event                4Event                  5Event     
Runs - Changes    Runs - Changes  Runs - Changes     Runs - Changes     Runs - Changes
  X          X             X           X          X                                      X             X           X
  X                         X           X          X                                      X             X           X
  X                                      X          X                                      X                          X
  X                                                  X                                      X
                                                      X                                      X

This above is a example graph (result) of 5 events .....
In every new spin we are updaing the Runs and the Changes on each event....

I think this post was a great help for making u understand how we are recording

Hi.
Thanks for your interesting thread MOP.

I will give my advice and opinion about this concept.

The first thing we must remember when engineering these types of methods is that after all the mental gymnastics, and all the compilation and weighing in of data, and all the conflabulated rules are considered and it’s time to place a bet, that bet has a 50% chance of winning and a 50% chance of losing. Never lose sight of that concrete aspect of the game.

Because of this very important reality check, I would advise that MOP’s above example of 5 events is enough to provide the necessary diversity required for this concept. Any more than that and you are just over engineering something that will boil down to 50/50 anyway. Any less than that and you will probably end up with a strangled data flow that leads nowhere. Then you might as well toss a coin and decide the next bet.

5 spins is also probably enough data for the runs & changes registry for the same reasons.

I would consider charting the last 5 events and the last 5 spins on a rolling basis, always striking out older entries.

I would consider charting the runs & changes on every other line because the sequence of occurrences might hold equal importance to the number of occurrences. See Events 1, 2, and 5 for example.
1Event                2Event             3 Event                     4Event                  5Event     
Runs - Changes    Runs - Changes  Runs - Changes         Runs - Changes      Runs - Changes
  X                                     X           X                                      X                          X
  X                         X                       X                                      X             X           
  X                         X                       X                                      X                          X
  X                                     X           X                                      X             X
              X                         X           X                                      X                          X



 



 

[Master_of_pockets]

"""The first thing we must remember when engineering these types of methods is that after all the mental gymnastics, and all the compilation and weighing in of data, and all the conflabulated rules are considered and it’s time to place a bet, that bet has a 50% chance of winning and a 50% chance of losing. Never lose sight of that concrete aspect of the game."""

I and any educated roulette researcher know this.

the 5 events charting or the 5 Xs charting isn t enough to make a decision.
This was just a short example to explain how we chart.

[Skakus]

"""The first thing we must remember when engineering these types of methods is that after all the mental gymnastics, and all the compilation and weighing in of data, and all the conflabulated rules are considered and it’s time to place a bet, that bet has a 50% chance of winning and a 50% chance of losing. Never lose sight of that concrete aspect of the game."""

I and any educated roulette researcher know this.

Yes we know it but it is often disregarded when conjuring up complicated systems.
Mr. Chips did all this a couple of years ago.

the 5 events charting or the 5 Xs charting isn t enough to make a decision.
This was just a short example to explain how we chart.

Yes I know it was only an example but you're wrong, it is plenty enough to make a decision. Did you forget that your final bet will be 50/50?

[superman]

I can t find any reason to do it again

OK

Yes I know it was only an example but you're wrong, it is plenty enough to make a decision. Did you forget that your final bet will be 50/50?

Agreed, anymore and it starts to dilute, whatever you were hoping for will have already started changing again.

[Robeenhuut]

Only MM and a sufficient BR can save our a.s.s. Stop-loss is a biggest misconception in roulette.
Walk away from a table and re-enter a next day  Give me a break.

[TwoCatSam]

So I would write down the first nine spins as to red/black.


R  R  B  R  B  B  B  R  B  (I know that's not like the Hunter doc.)


Now my next spin (R) says--in effect--spin one and ten formed a run.  I don't see it that way at all.

A run is two consecutive events. R and an R in the very next spin.  What this is doing is saying--in effect--spins one and ten produced a "sorta run".  Not really a run in the true sense, but some kind of run.  (Not even sure it's any kind of run.)

Anyway............

Let's use an exaggerample:  Say you have nothing but runs beneath your headings, and your headings were all R.  That means red just came and came, maybe 25 reds in a row.  All that says is we just had 25 reds in a row and I could look at the marquee and see that. 

If I come to have that matrix or one with chops and runs throughout, how do I use either?

Aside:  Exaggerample is an exaggerated example.  Something invented at the TwoCat Think Tank.  Can't wait until some mainstream professor uses it!!  I'll sue, but youse guys may use it with immunity!

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Somehow, I double-posted.  It was bad enough the first time!!