[BV] Repeaters Beware

[Psilocyx]

Well it's becoming increasingly apparent that the best way to play BetVoyager is to bet on repeaters. Whether it be dozens, lines, sections, streets, splits or straight up, it seems that the only thing you can bet on is that something will repeat. A lot of people have been trying to figure the best way to pick what will repeat, and some have succeeded at that, I must say. However, at the risk of looking like a crazy person, I've gone off a completely different end.

Obviously after a certain number of spins, all that's left for random to do is to repeat what's already happened, since there are only so many options. The question however isn't what will repeat, but instead, when will repeat?

What does this mean?

When trying to figure out what number will repeat, we have no information to help us determine when it will hit next. The only information that can help us pick a number is that it's either hot or cold. IE:

Either it's been repeating a lot, in which case it can stop repeating at any, unknown, random time.
Or it's not appeared in a long time, in which case it can continue sleeping for any, unknown, random period of time.

In either case it's possible to win a lot of chips, especially if your bet selection is solid, but obviously there may be big drawbacks when your timing is off. Everyone's dream is finding a system that doesn't have these big drawbacks, or at least to win more chips than the drawbacks cost.

Imagine every spin as a projection into the future. At some point, a future spin will match this one. It could be the next spin, it could be 5 spins from now, it could be 50 spins from now, who knows?

How is this helpful?

I will get into depth regarding this as interest increases, but for now just look at the spreadsheet of sessions played betting 2 streets.

Please note: The progression was just of the top of my mind. Better, more logical progressions will surely exist. The progression has 15 steps. If the 15th step is lost, you will have lost a total of 106 units. A winning session will usually net between 4 and 12 units, sometimes more.

In this spreadsheet I've tripled my starting bankroll of 110 units in the first 30 sessions, which means I could lose the progression twice and still have more than I started with.

I won the first 37 sessions, reaching the 9th step twice, 10th step once, 14th step once, and then busting the 15th step on the 38th session. On the bust, I would have won if I went to step 17. After this loss I still had more than double my starting BR.

Impressive? That's only the beginning. On average betting 2 streets will win on the 6th bet. On average this spreadsheet wins on the 4th step. What's more, it..:

Won on the 1st step 12 times.
Won on the 2nd step 5 times.
Won on the 3rd step 7 times.

Yes, 24 out of 38 sessions this bet won within the first 3 steps! Could this be luck? Maybe.. But we'd need many more sessions to prove that it was luck. Please help to contribute by doing some testing of your own.

Could this be VooDoo? Absolutely not. I have a theory as to why this works, and it involves testing that I did outside of this particular system. I'll get into that later.

How does this system work? The spreadsheet doesn't explain it so I'll explain it here.

I find that playing streets divides the board into a very manageable number of possibilities. This could theoretically work using any division, but street betting is my favourite.

Important note before playing this:
At the very top-right of the Bet Voyager roulette window there are 2 text input boxes. The left one represents a "shift", which creates a shift in the numbers from the original number that was generated. Leave this at 0. The right text box represents the length of the sequence that gets generated in advance. Common thought is that this is merely there for if you don't trust the casino and that it makes no difference to the numbers that come, as the numbers are still random. When playing most systems this doesn't matter, but this is the very essence of this system.

Each sequence that gets generated represents a snapshot of X amount of spins. Each generated sequence is different, each has it's own qualities and patterns, each is unique and unrelated to any other sequence. When the sequence gets generated, all the numbers are fixed, and cannot be altered by any other factors such as time.

Since we're playing a system where our bet is dependant on previous spins, it makes sense that we want to track only what has been happening in the current sequence. Therefore, when you win at any time, you end the session by clicking the END next the the text box, so to generate a brand new sequence and thus creating a new betting session.

How to play this system:
1) Start a new session. Use any number over 30 or 40 as the sequence length (I used 60) to ensure that the sequence doesn't end before you win a bet.

2) Start free spinning* and writing down the streets in the very left column of a spreadsheet, until a street comes up for the second time.

3) When this happens, count the spins from the first time it came up, till the repeat:

Example:
3
8
1
4 < 1
2 < 2
5 < 3
1 < 4

4) Now, select all the spins and copy them. Then, from the very top (first) number, count that many cells (in this example 4) to the RIGHT and DOWN, then paste into that cell. (You will notice that the two columns will have a match).

Example:
3
8 .
1 . .
4 . . .
2 . . . 3
5 . . . 8
1 . . . 1 < Match
. . . . 4
. . . . 2
. . . . 5
. . . . 1

5) This represents our first trigger. Don't start betting. Do more free spins, adding them to both columns until another repeat occurs. When this happens, again copy all the spins from the first column, count the spins from the first number till it's repeat, again count that many cells from the first spin to the right and down and paste.

Example:
3
8 .
1 . .
4 . . .
2 . . . 3
5 . . . 8 .
1 . . . 1 . .
9 . . . 4 . . .
3 . . . 2 . . . 3 < This is the second trigger.
. . . . 5 . . . 8
. . . . 1 . . . 1
. . . . 9 . . . 4
. . . . 3 . . . 2
. . . . .  . . . 5
. . . . .  . . . 1
. . . . .  . . . 9
. . . . .  . . . 3

6) After this trigger you start betting. Remember that the first column represents the "current timeline". The other two columns give you your bet selection. You're betting that there will be another match like the first two triggers. As you spin, keep adding the spins to all 3 columns. Repeat until you win.

Example:
3
8 .
1 . .
4 . . .
2 . . . 3
5 . . . 8 .
1 . . . 1 . . 1st trigger
9 . . . 4 . . .
3 . . . 2 . . . 3 2nd trigger, start betting using progression
4 . . . 5 . . . 8 Lose
8 . . . 1 . . . 1 Don't bet if these numbers are the same
2 . . . 9 . . . 4 Lose
2 . . . 3 . . . 2 Win
. . . . 4 . . . 5
. . . . 8 . . . 1
. . . . 2 . . . 9
. . . . 2 . . . 3
. . . . .  . . . 4
. . . . .  . . . 8
. . . . .  . . . 2
. . . . .  . . . 2

7) When you win, click the END button at the top right of the roulette window to generate a brand new sequence, and start a new session from step 1).


This can very possibly work without ending a sequence and just continuing to bet. The problem with this is that you don't know when a cycle ends, where a "winning column" will stop winning. There are signs when this happens, but getting into such depth right now is a bit ahead of it's time. We will get further into HOW and WHY this works as the thread grows.

A quick note I would like to add: If we can get a software that tracks numbers in this way, not just when there's a trigger but literally creating a new "column" after every spin (thus creating a constant, complete "projection into the future"), and highlighting KEY EVENTS, we will be able to predict numbers using such software, with absolutely astonishing accuracy.

Hope you enjoy this!

Any questions??

Psilocyx

[Psilocyx]

* Forgot to add this to the thread:

To FREE SPIN, simply place these bets:

0.03 units on the LOW even chance
0.01 units on the 4th LINE
0.02 units on the 3rd DOZEN.

[rayhd63]

Hi Psilocyx,

wow, that looks like a professional explanation !!! Great 

You write its a Bet Voyager thing. Is that advisable on landbase Casinos ?

Still trying to figure it out....... 

Ray 

[Psilocyx]

Hi Psilocyx,

wow, that looks like a professional explanation !!! Great 

You write its a Bet Voyager thing. Is that advisable on landbase Casinos ?

Still trying to figure it out....... 

Ray 

Thank you!

The reason that this works with Bet Voyager is because BV uses TRNG (True Random Number Generation). I believe that the way BV picks it's numbers has some kind of connection with the amount of spins since the last time the number came up (among other things). Cycles appear when you track numbers in this way, and this system set's a criteria to catch these cycles very consistently.

In a real casino there are many variables which affect the outcome. This will almost certainly not work in a land-based casino.

I've also not had the time to test this with regular RNG roulette games, and I don't plan to do testing on them soon.

[Ralph]

I relay much on repeaters, and have had success using them (up to now).  I never bother to check the randomness setting, as i do not believe it matters. I even can pause a game a day, play other methods in between, and continue. Random is Random, chop a random, it is still random. 

A random pattern will have repeaters, but there is no way of predict it. You allways guess, and any method we use is our method of guessing the outcome. If we go beyond this it WOODOO, which even that can win, as its random, any methods can win, if the outcome suits, the guess is right.

Still the fact we see repeaters, can help us guess, a method relying of a known phenomena will help us make good guessing.

Many other pattern can be recognized, the clue is to make them useful.

By the way, I can not do free spin at BV, have to bet doing a spin.
I bet on an EC, and win during tracking! 

My option is it is no difference if the casino is landbased or rng, as long the tables not have bias.

[Psilocyx]

I relay much on repeaters, and have had success using them (up to now).  I never bother to check the randomness setting, as i do not believe it matters. I even can pause a game a day, play other methods in between, and continue. Random is Random, chop a random, it is still random. 

A random pattern will have repeaters, but there is no way of predict it. You allways guess, and any method we use is our method of guessing the outcome. If we go beyond this it WOODOO, which even that can win, as its random, any methods can win, if the outcome suits, the guess is right.

Still the fact we see repeaters, can help us guess, a method relying of a known phenomena will help us make good guessing.

Many other pattern can be recognized, the clue is to make them useful.

By the way, I can not do free spin at BV, have to bet doing a spin.
I bet on an EC, and win during tracking! 

My option is it is no difference if the casino is landbased or rng, as long the tables not have bias.

Did you read the thread? Did you look at the spreadsheet?

Look at my second post, it shows you how to free spin with Bet Voyager.

If random is random, can you tell me how this wins 1 out of 4 when the odds are 1 out of 6?

I must say that I enjoy this system because it has structure. There's no guessing involved, no random selection. The game tells you what to bet on. The game essentially plays itself, you just do the clicking.

I like your threads, but the drawbacks you encounter are quite severe sometimes. I guess it doesn't matter when you have a 100'000 Bankroll though .

Thanks for your input!

[Ralph]

If you win you allways beat the odds, the odds are fixed and negative, I do not think any method can change that.

So beating the odds, we do not really do, we have lucky guess. Even if you use a method, which are mechanical, you have chosen the method, and the methods do your guess.

If you think you can know the outcome, its OK for me, I try to guess, and do not think I can know.

How long have you test?

Yes it comes down a lot sometimes. With a small bankroll, we have to adopt other ways. The big bankroll is in fact winnings, in fun mode it is 106000 now, funny the fun mode is better proof the play went OK. In real mode I could deposit the amount, that's not possible in fun mode.

My 100 last sessions have no losses.

[Psilocyx]

I know you have no losses, but you have a large enough bankroll to recover any drawback. Playing the way you play is impossible with a starting BR of say 10 euro.

This system doesn't explain how to guess or predict. Predicting will come in the future. I've already correctly guessed a street four separate times, using this technique. Without progression, without betting several times. One single bet and win. I could explain how to do this, and eventually I will, but that will came as this thread grows.

I know a lot of people will find it hard to believe in cycles and patterns, but i can guarantee that they exist.

[superman]

I know a lot of people will find it hard to believe in cycles and patterns, but i can guarantee that they exist.

Oh yes they do, especially in RNG.

I have 10300 BV NZ real money spins and a test bot that uses a file of numbers, I will try to get my head around your idea and run it through the spins, first need to get my head around your very detailed explanation.

[Ralph]

I know you have no losses, but you have a large enough bankroll to recover any drawback. Playing the way you play is impossible with a starting BR of say 10 euro.

This system doesn't explain how to guess or predict. Predicting will come in the future. I've already correctly guessed a street four separate times, using this technique. Without progression, without betting several times. One single bet and win. I could explain how to do this, and eventually I will, but that will came as this thread grows.

I know a lot of people will find it hard to believe in cycles and patterns, but i can guarantee that they exist.

My starting bankroll was not near that is it today.

[xxlakis]

I didn't get it.Please show as to your example above which 2 streets you are betting each time.

[Psilocyx]

I didn't get it.Please show as to your example above which 2 streets you are betting each time.

Sure!

3
8 .
1 . .
4 . . .
2 . . . 3
5 . . . 8 .
1 . . . 1 . . 1st trigger
9 . . . 4 . . .
3 . . . 2 . . . 3 2nd trigger, start betting using progression
4 . . . 5 . . . 8 Bet on 5 and 8. 4 was the number that hit so it was a loss.
8 . . . 1 . . . 1 Don't bet if the numbers are the same.
2 . . . 9 . . . 4 Bet on 9 and 4. 2 was the spin.
2 . . . 3 . . . 2 Bet on 3 and 2. Spin was 2, so win.
. . . . 4 . . . 5
. . . . 8 . . . 1
. . . . 2 . . . 9
. . . . 2 . . . 3
. . . . .  . . . 4
. . . . .  . . . 8
. . . . .  . . . 2
. . . . .  . . . 2

Make sense?

[Psilocyx]

Oh yes they do, especially in RNG.

I have 10300 BV NZ real money spins and a test bot that uses a file of numbers, I will try to get my head around your idea and run it through the spins, first need to get my head around your very detailed explanation.

Looking forward to the results, I also play No Zero BV .

Thanks!

[xxlakis]

Got it.Actually it's pretty simple and you can track it just with 1 column.If any one is  interested i can code it (If i get about 30' and a clear head) and check average spins till hit,longest progression step,...etc.

[Psilocyx]

Got it.Actually it's pretty simple and you can track it just with 1 column.If any one is  interested i can code it (If i get about 30' and a clear head) and check average spins till hit,longest progression step,...etc.

Yes it works for one column for sure, it just sometimes take longer for a win. You won't need a much bigger starting BR than this one, so it's definitely a good bet .

A software would be great for this, even if not to use it to play but for gathering information and statistics.