*****FIVE*****

[VegasArick]

Will 8 on 1 be able to be played @ B & M double "00" ?

[Amazin]

@JL: if BV works out for you then it can change your whole roulette experience because you can earn lot more. My personal experience is that BV cheats also but I'm willing to try again. Please don't stop the BV challenge.

[TwoCatSam]

Please don't stop the BV challenge.

I thought it had stopped.

[Johnlegend]

@JL: if BV works out for you then it can change your whole roulette experience because you can earn lot more. My personal experience is that BV cheats also but I'm willing to try again. Please don't stop the BV challenge.

Amazin I've not stopped I've been on vacation with the wife. I don't think BV cheat, certainly not on the single zero wheel. It behaves EXACTLY like a live wheel only faster. NO, this challenge will go for years. Until I have shown I can win longterm. And made Superman and myself, some serious money in the process. The only thing I'm curious about, is how far will I be allowed to go? Will they stand by and let me take half a million Euro from them? I doubt it, but well find out. How they respond not to a lucky winner. But someone who they realize has them systematically beaten like clockwork for alltime. That's my main interest in this.

[Robeenhuut]

Amazin I've not stopped I've been on vacation with the wife. I don't think BV cheat, certainly not on the single zero wheel. It behaves EXACTLY like a live wheel only faster. NO, this challenge will go for years. Until I have shown I can win longterm. And made Superman and myself, some serious money in the process. The only thing I'm curious about, is how far will I be allowed to go? Will they stand by and let me take half a million Euro from them? I doubt it, but well find out. How they respond not to a lucky winner. But someone who they realize has them systematically beaten like clockwork for alltime. That's my main interest in this.

John

How can you make a statement that BV does not cheat after playing only few games?  What happens if you lose next few games?  That BV somehow caught up with your betting scheme?
Concerning your spinoff from FIVE - 8 ON 1 in the original FIVE thread there is a tracker for it made by Stepkevh. It shows you a number of consecutive 4's gaps in each dozen in RNG generated 500 spins. Sometimes there is no bet because there are no 3 4's gaps in 500 spins in any dozen.
I did not see anything special in a strike rate. You can go few hundreds sessions without a loss but sometimes you get few within a hundred. Its the same for FIVE. As i posted before going 70/0 on a final 4th double dozen bet in FIVE happens as often as RED hitting 40 consecutive times.  I know that i will be dismissed as a math boy but get a binomial calculator and calculate the odds for yourself.
I just feel that John is pulling our leg in this challenge.  His numbers are just too good to be true.
  I can not help being skeptical here. And even if its not the case its way too early to make any predictions here.

[superman]

The only thing I'm curious about, is how far will I be allowed to go? Will they stand by and let me take half a million Euro from them?

There you go again, we all know at some point you will get a bad run of random that will work against you, THEY wont be manually sending you that run it will just happen, that's what random does, even if you win for the next 2 years THEY know (that's IF they are watching you, which I doubt) at some point random will send out a run from he|| as others call it, so just relax, stop with the negative quotes and just plod on as you are.

And made Superman and myself, some serious money in the process

Can't wait 

[Johnlegend]

John

How can you make a statement that BV does not cheat after playing only few games?  What happens if you lose next few games?  That BV somehow caught up with your betting scheme?
Concerning your spinoff from FIVE - 8 ON 1 in the original FIVE thread there is a tracker for it made by Stepkevh. It shows you a number of consecutive 4's gaps in each dozen in RNG generated 500 spins. Sometimes there is no bet because there are no 3 4's gaps in 500 spins in any dozen.
I did not see anything special in a strike rate. You can go few hundreds sessions without a loss but sometimes you get few within a hundred. Its the same for FIVE. As i posted before going 70/0 on a final 4th double dozen bet in FIVE happens as often as RED hitting 40 consecutive times.  I know that i will be dismissed as a math boy but get a binomial calculator and calculate the odds for yourself.
I just feel that John is pulling our leg in this challenge.  His numbers are just too good to be true.
  I can not help being skeptical here. And even if its not the case its way too early to make any predictions here.

Matt I'm not certain BV don't cheat it just hasn't happenned yet. Regarding 8 on 1 and FIVE. BV offers plenty of play on both. No 500 spins without a game. There is always dozens stringing together three 4 GAPS. And double 4 GAPS. BUT!!!!!! They never go beyond FIVE in either case so far. BV is easier to beat than a live wheel or Bayes RNG so far. So of course time will tell Matt. But 8 on 1 in particular isn't even beimg challenged. Live or BV. Which brings into question, the reliance and accuracy of this tracker in relation to these two formats. Something is not right.

[Johnlegend]

There you go again, we all know at some point you will get a bad run of random that will work against you, THEY won't be manually sending you that run it will just happen, that's what random does, even if you win for the next 2 years THEY know (that's IF they are watching you, which I doubt) at some point random will send out a run from he|| as others call it, so just relax, stop with the negative quotes and just plod on as you are.
 
Can't wait 

Yes Superman point taken. I'm not worried about it yet, once we go bigtime. That's when I will be scrutinizing everything. Runs from hell. Its been 7 plus years since I had one. Since I have played hit and run.

[Robeenhuut]

Matt I'm not certain BV don't cheat it just hasn't happenned yet. Regarding 8 on 1 and FIVE. BV offers plenty of play on both. No 500 spins without a game. There is always dozens stringing together three 4 GAPS. And double 4 GAPS. BUT!!!!!! They never go beyond FIVE in either case so far. BV is easier to beat than a live wheel or Bayes RNG so far. So of course time will tell Matt. But 8 on 1 in particular isn't even beimg challenged. Live or BV. Which brings into question, the reliance and accuracy of this tracker in relation to these two formats. Something is not right.

I think that tracker for 8 ON 1 is right. The one for FIVE was made before the rules were clear. Just find for yourself.

[xeo]

JL this example is correct?
D1---D2---D3
04---02---06
04---03---02 -> game trigger D1
02---04---05 -> bet trigger D2
02---04---02 -> lost
04---02---06 -> bet trigger D1
06---03---02 -> win

or this?
D1---D2---D3
04---02---06
04---03---02 -> game trigger D1
02---04---05 -> bet trigger D2
06---04---02 -> lost
04---02---06 -> bet trigger D1
06---03---02 -> win


this is correct?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
03
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
02
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win

or this?
D2
04
02
04 -> game trigger
06
04 -> bet trigger
04 -> lost
02
07
04 -> bet trigger
06 -> win

[Johnlegend]

I think that tracker for 8 ON 1 is right. The one for FIVE was made before the rules were clear. Just find for yourself.

Matt I don't question that the tracker is right or wrong (as a tracker) What I doubt, is it accuratley predicts what a live wheel or even manmade random at BV will show you. Especially when its window of opportunity to show you a loss is limited to a maximum of 4 consecutive games.

Now I can only go by the results/recorded data, I have put together over 7 years. But what I am saying is within that data. A live wheel has never shown me more that 6 consecutive 4 GAPS. And now playing BV single zero. I have never been shown more than 5 consecutive 4 GAPS. Now I know approx 2,500 potential games is not a big sample. But it suggests to me that played Hit and Run. 8 consecutive 4 GAPS, is something I will run into rarely. How rare I cannot say. But certainly upwards of 800/1 looks more than realistic. Only time will show me a true average.
Its like I have said before. Knowing something can lose, and running into that loss are two very different things. Of course all successful methods don't know losing too often. My extreme confidence in 8 ON 1 is simply for the fact, it remains not only loss free, but challenge free too.

There are few if any realistic and playable methods that could say that over 2,500 plus potential games. At a relatively small risk of 242 units.
Any method that could make a similar claim, is likey to have a lot more on the line.

[TwoCatSam]

Again, I offer to pay the major portion of a bot.  Anyone?

[Bcboilermaker]

Again, I offer to pay the major portion of a bot.  Anyone?

i will pay as well!

[SamNL]

Again, I offer to pay the major portion of a bot.  Anyone?

Count me in Sam!

[superman]

Stop the PM's please, my test bot can be changed into a real betting bot with a couple of hours of work, BUT I don't do blanket bots, never have, never will.

Defenition of blanket bot: a bot you can download and use on any machine and any game platform. My bots are made to order only and will only run on that persons pc he wont be able to run it on his laptop and pc only 1 machine