****8 on 1****

[Johnlegend]

Thanks again superman.

So the end result for the 32000 numbers is -198 units.

The betting file stops at 31400, does that mean there was no bet for the last 600 spins or was there an active bet that ran short of spins so you removed it?

I've attached a second file of 32000 numbers, lets see if this system can make up some territory.

Cheers.

Skakus everything playable is going to lose against 32,000 static results. In reality playing it for 1---4 games then shutting it down its another story. You will know I'm telling it like it is here. Because most of my progress on BV will be made with just FIVE and 8 ON 1. If 8 ON 1 doesn't deliver. I will be losing 242 points all the time. And when I've reached 3 figures that hole in the profit will be very noticeable. But I doubt it will happen very often. No ones going to sit down and play even 1000 spins.

[Skakus]

 
Yes JL I understand you play a hit and run style attack but the jury's still out on that one so it is of interest to see what the overall results look like in terms of invincibility. So far there are some chinks appearing the armour.
My prediction is the progression will let this system down in the end so having these long term results could be constructive in finding a progression that performs better.

Something like, get trigger, bet 1.1 win stop / lose, get trigger bet 4.4 win or lose stop.

Or even better, get trigger, bet 1.1 win bet 1.1 again immediately without new trigger, win again stop / lose, get trigger bet 4.4 win bet 1.1 again immediately without new trigger or lose stop.

The first one is easy to test with superman’s posted results.

Cheers.

[Johnlegend]

Yes JL I understand you play a hit and run style attack but the jury's still out on that one so it is of interest to see what the overall results look like in terms of invincibility. So far there are some chinks appearing the armour.
My prediction is the progression will let this system down in the end so having these long term results could be constructive in finding a progression that performs better.

Something like, get trigger, bet 1.1 win stop / lose, get trigger bet 4.4 win or lose stop.

Or even better, get trigger, bet 1.1 win bet 1.1 again immediately without new trigger, win again stop / lose, get trigger bet 4.4 win bet 1.1 again immediately without new trigger or lose stop.

The first one is easy to test with superman’s posted results.

Cheers.

Skakus its open to imdividual interpretation. I  don't personaly agree. Belief in this methods strength comes from years of what I didn't SEE. Without my own personal experience with the zone. I would probably be as sceptical as any casual observer. But I know played as I play there need be no compromise in staking. Just as your E/C money management system could suffer drawdowns quite regularly. Making for frustrating sessions. 8 ON 1 could indeed surrender the very occasional progression. But when its on a roll, what it will return will go beyond all expectations. That's where my mindset sits.

[Twisteruk]

@superman

hi mate, soz I didnt really understand ure question but i will write out, in dozen form, how Im playing

Im waiting for 2 Triggers then betting

BUT the Triggers can look different, here are two examples which is one of each

122212221222 now bet against dozen 1

122212212212121212212221111222 now bet against dozen 1

Both are 2 4 gaps but both look very different. Hope that helps bud

[Twisteruk]

I see the BVNZ numbers crunched well 

[biagle]

12221221221212121221222 -- now bet against 1? 1111222 now bet against dozen 1

[Skakus]

>>>My prediction is the progression will let this system down in the end so having these long term results could be constructive in finding a progression that performs better.

Something like,

1) get trigger, bet 1.1 win stop / lose, get trigger bet 4.4 win or lose stop.

Or even better,

2) get trigger, bet 1.1 win bet 1.1 again immediately without new trigger, win again stop / lose, get trigger bet 4.4 win bet 1.1 again immediately without new trigger or lose stop.

The first one is easy to test with superman’s posted results.

Cheers.

I have speed checked superman's betting file using the basic 1.1/4.4 progression for my first 32000 spins.

There were 36 progression busts each costing 10 units, and the total wins amounted to 359 units.

Incredibly, the total loss was 360 units and the total gain was 359 units, so the overall net loss for 32000 spins was 1 unit!

This is opposed to the JL 5 step progression loss of 198 units for the same sizeable set of spins.


I believe the second 1.1 / 4.4 progression I suggested would be even stronger than the first, but that would require a major recode and I’m sure superman has better things to do.


If superman can run the second set of 32000 spins I will check it over with the 1.1/4.4 progression to see if the comparisons are similar.

Cheers.

[Robeenhuut]

Skakus everything playable is going to lose against 32,000 static results. In reality playing it for 1---4 games then shutting it down its another story. You will know I'm telling it like it is here. Because most of my progress on BV will be made with just FIVE and 8 ON 1. If 8 ON 1 doesn't deliver. I will be losing 242 points all the time. And when I've reached 3 figures that hole in the profit will be very noticeable. But I doubt it will happen very often. No ones going to sit down and play even 1000 spins.

John the sample was 32000 spins but it was  290 games and 2 losses. Now all you say in defense of it is again hit and run philosophy.  Stef tracker now Skakus test file produce different results.
Its now the only argument that's left.  Your bet behaves like any other 4 or 5 step double dozen or column bet. You just had few lucky streaks and to be completely honest 70 consecutive wins on the last step of your progression in FIVE defies all the odds. This has to be some mistake in your stats.

[Skakus]

 
To be fair I have checked over superman's BVNZ results as they have not recorded a loss for 8 ON 1.


In this instance the simple 1.1/4.4 progression shows 5 busts costing 50 units.


For these 10000 spins JL’s 5 step progression has recorded a profit of 92 units.


The 1.1/4.4 progression has recorded a profit of 59 units.


Though still behind overall, JL’s progression wins this round with a greater profit. However, despite the lesser win total I reckon if you run the percentages you will find the 1.1/4.4 progression will show a superior profit on turnover (edge).



Food for thought.   

[superman]

It would actually be 3 misses Superman

But all examples show

----DOZEN 2
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----02
-----04-----BET TRIGGER

Your reply to one of my questions was

An example of a bet

-----DOZEN 3
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----04-----TRIGGER
-----04???--You bet this becomes a 5 GAP or more

Now you say

It would actually be 3 misses Superman. 4 misses would mean you are betting against a 5 GAP forming

I am waiting for the dozen that already has 2 4 gaps to again count to 4 then bet against it, is this wrong? ? should I be counting to 3 only? if so all tests will need re-running, let me know please.

The betting file stops at 31400, does that mean there was no bet for the last 600 spins or was there an active bet that ran short of spins so you removed it?

For some reason the bot runs out of memory looks like 32000 lines of a file is a bit too much, maybe 30000 numbers in your next file please Skakus. But before we do that I need JL to clarify the above question.

122212221222 now bet against dozen 1

isn't this the same as what JL is doing, it may be early for me but it looks the same, 2 4 gaps then bet, getting confused now, need clarification again from JL, the goal posts are moving again, or is it just me?

[Skakus]

   
For some reason the bot runs out of memory looks like 32000 lines of a file is a bit too much, maybe 30000 numbers in your next file please Skakus. But before we do that I need JL to clarify the above question.

Thanks for the answer. It's not a biggy and I've already posted the next 32000 spin file so just let 'em run and end where they do. 

Cheers.

[Twisteruk]

 
isn't this the same as what JL is doing, it may be early for me but it looks the same, 2 4 gaps then bet, getting confused now, need clarification again from JL, the goal posts are moving again, or is it just me?

Yes that is 2 4 Gaps

JL's Rules said wait for 3 Triggers, I only wait for 2

3 4 Gaps would look like this

1222122212221222 now bet against dozen 1


Hope that helps mate

[superman]

JLs' rules are a bit confusing now, for me anyway LoL. I think, I have coded what you (Twister) is doing not what JL has stated, I am waiting for 2 4 gaps then for that dozen to miss 4 times then betting against it hitting, so 44 4 bet against, that's what I have been doing until now. Looks like its wrong then? I was working from his examples

----DOZEN 2
-----04 ---------------------------- 1st 4 gap
-----03
-----04 ---------------------------- 2nd 4 gap
-----02
-----04-----BET TRIGGER ----------- counter = 4 start betting it will miss again, become a 5 gap or bigger, this is exactly what JL said. To me that is 2 triggers then a bet trigger where we start betting.

Theres always an issue with JL's explanations, JL WTF mate 

[Twisteruk]

JLs' rules are a bit confusing now, for me anyway LoL. I think, I have coded what you (Twister) is doing not what JL has stated, I am waiting for 2 4 gaps then for that dozen to miss 4 times then betting against it hitting, so 44 4 bet against, that's what I have been doing until now. Looks like its wrong then? I was working from his examples

----DOZEN 2
-----04 ---------------------------- 1st 4 gap
-----03
-----04 ---------------------------- 2nd 4 gap
-----02
-----04-----BET TRIGGER ----------- counter = 4 start betting it will miss again, become a 5 gap or bigger, this is exactly what JL said. To me that is 2 triggers then a bet trigger where we start betting.

Theres always an issue with JL's explanations, JL WTF mate 

You have to wait for it to miss 3 times mate, like in my examples

12221 this is one 4 gap

[Twisteruk]

biagle,

12221221221212121221222 -- now bet against 1? 1111222 now bet against dozen 1


No thats not correct as at that point that is the 2nd Trigger, my example is the correct one based on JL's instructions