****8 on 1****

[superman]

As I don't like doing things wrong I am revisiting the 8 on 1 bot, I think I was waiting too long but it's because of how the rules are posted, looking at this from the very first post

-----DOZEN 1
-----04
-----04
-----04-----BET TRIGGER

2, Once we have our BET TRIGGER. Using a 5 step progression we bet against this run of 4 GAPS continuing up to a maximum of 8.

Means we have our 2 4 gaps then when that dozen has missed 4 times again we bet that it will miss the 5th time, am I correct ?

But then in post number 4 after I asked a question JL replied

-----DOZEN 3
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----04-----TRIGGER
-----04???--You bet this becomes a 5 GAP or more.

So the first example showed us betting on the 3rd 4 then second example showed us betting on the 4th 4, I coded it for the 4th 4

Is it just me be daft or what?

Currently rerunning the bot on all spin files ............... again

[superman]

OK, using this method

-----DOZEN 1
-----04
-----04
-----04-----BET TRIGGER

2, Once we have our BET TRIGGER. Using a 5 step progression we bet against this run of 4 GAPS continuing up to a maximum of 8.

Here are the results

[Twisteruk]

Great work Twister. I never thought you could do this on BVNZ. What progression are you using, a 4 step against seeing six 4 GAPS. Or a 5 step against seeing 7 4 GAPS. If you make 500 I will play BVNZ next year. I like the idea of free spins. Again great stuff, you've really taken to this one Twister.

5 step after a 2 Trigger

Not even bein tested. Most wins come by the 2nd step 

[Johnlegend]

5 step after a 2 Trigger

Not even bein tested. Most wins come by the 2nd step 

That's what I find Twister. Even to string more than 3 of these 4 GAPS together is asking a lot of random. So in 230 plus wins Twister. You haven't once been taken to the wire (5TH STEP) And how many times have you been taken to the fourth step? I've been taken to the 4th step only 4 times in 420 plays. I have never seen more than FIVE 4 GAPS on BV single zero for dozens. If only I could move the wheel for free. I've been trying out a few ideas to move the wheel and theyre not working. So I have to plod along. And try to recover the cost of spinning the wheel. When I reach my bets. Its greatly slowed my progress. But my end of year target will be reached regardless.

[Johnlegend]

OK, using this method

-----DOZEN 1
-----04
-----04
-----04-----BET TRIGGER

2, Once we have our BET TRIGGER. Using a 5 step progression we bet against this run of 4 GAPS continuing up to a maximum of 8.

Here are the results

Superman, I was using a tripple trigger when I first started playing the method. But as its proved to be very hard for random to show us even SEVEN 4 GAPS. When played H.A.R I have now joined Twister in going after a double trigger. Its greatly speeded up turnover. And hasn't lost for either Twister or myself yet on BV.

[Skakus]

 
Superman, it was like this.

-----DOZEN 3
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----04-----TRIGGER
-----03--You bet this becomes a 5 GAP.

Example:
28 D3
16
1            4 Gap 1
22
28 D3
19       
8             3 Count only
30 D3
2
14           4 Gap 2
2
26 D3
21
4             4 Gap 3
18
34 D3
3
7
17          Bet once here that this 3 count will go beyond a 4 Gap. So, bet against D3.

Win = track for new triple set of 4 Gaps for any Dozen and bet from first step of progression.
Lose = track for next 3 count for D3 only and bet from next step of progression, etc.


Now it’s like this.

Example:
28 D3
16
1            4 Gap 1
22
28 D3
19       
8             3 Count only
30 D3
2
14           4 Gap 2
2
26 D3
21
4             3 Count
18           Bet once here that this 3 count will go beyond a 4 Gap. So, bet against D3.         

Win = track for new double set of 4 Gaps for any Dozen and bet from first step of progression.
Lose = track for next 3 count for D3 only and bet from next step of progression, etc.


Also, I believe the zero voids a Gap, but obviously counts as a losing bet signaling a new trigger search & progression step.

Also, while accumulating particular dozen gaps for a bet trigger, any 5 or greater gap for that dozen voids the whole set of gaps for that bet trigger. Start again.


@ JL, why would you post your ‘strongest ever system’ then willy-nilly change a significant rule after someone else plays just a handful of games differently and claims some fun money success?

[Twisteruk]

That's what I find Twister. Even to string more than 3 of these 4 GAPS together is asking a lot of random. So in 230 plus wins Twister. You haven't once been taken to the wire (5TH STEP) And how many times have you been taken to the fourth step? I've been taken to the 4th step only 4 times in 420 plays. I have never seen more than FIVE 4 GAPS on BV single zero for dozens. If only I could move the wheel for free. I've been trying out a few ideas to move the wheel and theyre not working. So I have to plod along. And try to recover the cost of spinning the wheel. When I reach my bets. Its greatly slowed my progress. But my end of year target will be reached regardless.

Never been taken to the 5th step. Ive been taken to the 4th step once.

Yeah I cudnt get on with that zero wheel and havin to pay to move the RNG.....BVNZ is where its at 

[KoolKat]

Twister on BVNZ non zero wheel do you not have to place a bet to move the wheel? Cheers K

[Twisteruk]

Twister on BVNZ non zero wheel do you not have to place a bet to move the wheel? Cheers K

Yes. But its a break even bet. 2 units on 1st and 2nd dozen 1 unit on the 5th and 6th DS

[Johnlegend]

Superman, it was like this.

-----DOZEN 3
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----04-----TRIGGER
-----03--You bet this becomes a 5 GAP.

Example:
28 D3
16
1            4 Gap 1
22
28 D3
19       
8             3 Count only
30 D3
2
14           4 Gap 2
2
26 D3
21
4             4 Gap 3
18
34 D3
3
7
17          Bet once here that this 3 count will go beyond a 4 Gap. So, bet against D3.

Win = track for new triple set of 4 Gaps for any Dozen and bet from first step of progression.
Lose = track for next 3 count for D3 only and bet from next step of progression, etc.


Now it’s like this.

Example:
28 D3
16
1            4 Gap 1
22
28 D3
19       
8             3 Count only
30 D3
2
14           4 Gap 2
2
26 D3
21
4             3 Count
18           Bet once here that this 3 count will go beyond a 4 Gap. So, bet against D3.         

Win = track for new double set of 4 Gaps for any Dozen and bet from first step of progression.
Lose = track for next 3 count for D3 only and bet from next step of progression, etc.


Also, I believe the zero voids a Gap, but obviously counts as a losing bet signaling a new trigger search & progression step.

Also, while accumulating particular dozen gaps for a bet trigger, any 5 or greater gap for that dozen voids the whole set of gaps for that bet trigger. Start again.


@ JL, why would you post your ‘strongest ever system’ then willy-nilly change a significant rule after someone else plays just a handful of games differently and claims some fun money success?

Turnover Skakus. Random is struggling so hard to even make five 4 gaps. Its worth sacrificing one trigger for faster play. Neither Twister or myself have found more than FIVE 4 GAPS. playing in short bursts. Plus I have over 2,500 results where the best random could do was SIX 4 GAPS. Six times in 2,500 possible games. When I started with 3 triggers I was being over cautious, And as we know you get hardly any play with three. But with two its a lot more playable.

Strongest method? I dont know YET. Five is still beating this with only a 4 step progression. And 1,350/1. 8 ON 1 appears stronger at the moment because it hasnt lost in play. I am 420/0. But its got to win another 674 times just to match FIVE. And again FIVE only has 80 points on the line. This has 242. So FIVE is still the one for the time being. If I win 2000 straight with this. I would have to say its the King. Time will tell the story.

[Skakus]

Ok, cool.

But is my explanation of the system accurate enough for superman to bot?

Point out any errors, please.

[Johnlegend]

Ok, cool.

But is my explanation of the system accurate enough for superman to bot?

Point out any errors, please.

Yes its fine Skakus.   

[Twisteruk]

BVNZ Test Spins from superman held up well

I would just add those spins may look high but once you get the hang of Tracking you just have BVNZ on Auto Spin

Simples 

173 - W  Prog 1 Cash 1 Peak 0 BetAgainst (dc)
213 - W  Prog 1 Cash 2 Peak 1 BetAgainst (dc)
246 - L  Prog 1 Cash 0 Peak 2 BetAgainst (da)
259 - W  Prog 3 Cash 3 Peak 2 BetAgainst (da)
285 - W  Prog 1 Cash 4 Peak 3 BetAgainst (da)
357 - L  Prog 1 Cash 2 Peak 4 BetAgainst (da)
366 - W  Prog 3 Cash 5 Peak 4 BetAgainst (da)
415 - W  Prog 1 Cash 6 Peak 5 BetAgainst (db)
559 - W  Prog 1 Cash 7 Peak 6 BetAgainst (db)
619 - W  Prog 1 Cash 8 Peak 7 BetAgainst (da)
728 - W  Prog 1 Cash 9 Peak 8 BetAgainst (dc)
845 - W  Prog 1 Cash 10 Peak 9 BetAgainst (da)
891 - W  Prog 1 Cash 11 Peak 10 BetAgainst (da)
1016 - W  Prog 1 Cash 12 Peak 11 BetAgainst (dc)
1118 - L  Prog 1 Cash 10 Peak 12 BetAgainst (db)
1127 - W  Prog 3 Cash 13 Peak 12 BetAgainst (db)
1273 - L  Prog 1 Cash 11 Peak 13 BetAgainst (dc)
1320 - W  Prog 3 Cash 14 Peak 13 BetAgainst (dc)
1613 - W  Prog 1 Cash 15 Peak 14 BetAgainst (dc)
1693 - L  Prog 1 Cash 13 Peak 15 BetAgainst (db)
1704 - W  Prog 3 Cash 16 Peak 15 BetAgainst (db)
1781 - W  Prog 1 Cash 17 Peak 16 BetAgainst (dc)
1903 - W  Prog 1 Cash 18 Peak 17 BetAgainst (db)
1929 - W  Prog 1 Cash 19 Peak 18 BetAgainst (da)
2111 - W  Prog 1 Cash 20 Peak 19 BetAgainst (da)
2148 - L  Prog 1 Cash 18 Peak 20 BetAgainst (db)
2153 - L  Prog 3 Cash 12 Peak 20 BetAgainst (db)
2186 - W  Prog 9 Cash 21 Peak 20 BetAgainst (db)
2316 - W  Prog 1 Cash 22 Peak 21 BetAgainst (db)
2343 - W  Prog 1 Cash 23 Peak 22 BetAgainst (dc)
2443 - W  Prog 1 Cash 24 Peak 23 BetAgainst (db)
2471 - W  Prog 1 Cash 25 Peak 24 BetAgainst (db)
2687 - W  Prog 1 Cash 26 Peak 25 BetAgainst (dc)
2757 - W  Prog 1 Cash 27 Peak 26 BetAgainst (da)
2789 - W  Prog 1 Cash 28 Peak 27 BetAgainst (db)
2832 - W  Prog 1 Cash 29 Peak 28 BetAgainst (db)
2873 - W  Prog 1 Cash 30 Peak 29 BetAgainst (da)
2936 - L  Prog 1 Cash 28 Peak 30 BetAgainst (da)
2947 - W  Prog 3 Cash 31 Peak 30 BetAgainst (da)
2964 - W  Prog 1 Cash 32 Peak 31 BetAgainst (db)
3230 - W  Prog 1 Cash 33 Peak 32 BetAgainst (db)
3307 - W  Prog 1 Cash 34 Peak 33 BetAgainst (dc)
3597 - W  Prog 1 Cash 35 Peak 34 BetAgainst (db)
3826 - W  Prog 1 Cash 36 Peak 35 BetAgainst (da)
3889 - W  Prog 1 Cash 37 Peak 36 BetAgainst (db)
4152 - W  Prog 1 Cash 38 Peak 37 BetAgainst (da)
4237 - W  Prog 1 Cash 39 Peak 38 BetAgainst (da)
4351 - L  Prog 1 Cash 37 Peak 39 BetAgainst (dc)
4372 - W  Prog 3 Cash 40 Peak 39 BetAgainst (dc)
4578 - L  Prog 1 Cash 38 Peak 40 BetAgainst (db)
4596 - L  Prog 3 Cash 32 Peak 40 BetAgainst (db)
4639 - W  Prog 9 Cash 41 Peak 40 BetAgainst (db)
4764 - W  Prog 1 Cash 42 Peak 41 BetAgainst (db)
4888 - W  Prog 1 Cash 43 Peak 42 BetAgainst (dc)
4943 - L  Prog 1 Cash 41 Peak 43 BetAgainst (da)
4948 - W  Prog 3 Cash 44 Peak 43 BetAgainst (da)
5026 - W  Prog 1 Cash 45 Peak 44 BetAgainst (db)
5120 - W  Prog 1 Cash 46 Peak 45 BetAgainst (da)
5268 - L  Prog 1 Cash 44 Peak 46 BetAgainst (db)
5289 - W  Prog 3 Cash 47 Peak 46 BetAgainst (db)
5328 - W  Prog 1 Cash 48 Peak 47 BetAgainst (db)
5363 - W  Prog 1 Cash 49 Peak 48 BetAgainst (da)
5419 - L  Prog 1 Cash 47 Peak 49 BetAgainst (dc)
5439 - W  Prog 3 Cash 50 Peak 49 BetAgainst (dc)
5545 - W  Prog 1 Cash 51 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
5666 - W  Prog 1 Cash 52 Peak 51 BetAgainst (dc)
5738 - L  Prog 1 Cash 50 Peak 52 BetAgainst (da)
5780 - W  Prog 3 Cash 53 Peak 52 BetAgainst (da)
6179 - W  Prog 1 Cash 54 Peak 53 BetAgainst (da)
6244 - W  Prog 1 Cash 55 Peak 54 BetAgainst (dc)
6267 - W  Prog 1 Cash 56 Peak 55 BetAgainst (db)
6371 - L  Prog 1 Cash 54 Peak 56 BetAgainst (da)
6383 - L  Prog 3 Cash 48 Peak 56 BetAgainst (da)
6390 - W  Prog 9 Cash 57 Peak 56 BetAgainst (da)
6463 - W  Prog 1 Cash 58 Peak 57 BetAgainst (dc)
6547 - W  Prog 1 Cash 59 Peak 58 BetAgainst (da)
6831 - W  Prog 1 Cash 60 Peak 59 BetAgainst (da)
7124 - W  Prog 1 Cash 61 Peak 60 BetAgainst (da)
7152 - W  Prog 1 Cash 62 Peak 61 BetAgainst (dc)
7229 - W  Prog 1 Cash 63 Peak 62 BetAgainst (db)
7275 - W  Prog 1 Cash 64 Peak 63 BetAgainst (da)
7311 - W  Prog 1 Cash 65 Peak 64 BetAgainst (db)
7332 - W  Prog 1 Cash 66 Peak 65 BetAgainst (db)
7408 - L  Prog 1 Cash 64 Peak 66 BetAgainst (dc)
7417 - W  Prog 3 Cash 67 Peak 66 BetAgainst (dc)
7510 - L  Prog 1 Cash 65 Peak 67 BetAgainst (dc)
7523 - W  Prog 3 Cash 68 Peak 67 BetAgainst (dc)
7570 - W  Prog 1 Cash 69 Peak 68 BetAgainst (db)
7620 - W  Prog 1 Cash 70 Peak 69 BetAgainst (db)
7791 - W  Prog 1 Cash 71 Peak 70 BetAgainst (db)
7814 - W  Prog 1 Cash 72 Peak 71 BetAgainst (dc)
7827 - W  Prog 1 Cash 73 Peak 72 BetAgainst (da)
7879 - W  Prog 1 Cash 74 Peak 73 BetAgainst (db)
7932 - L  Prog 1 Cash 72 Peak 74 BetAgainst (dc)
7966 - L  Prog 3 Cash 66 Peak 74 BetAgainst (dc)
7974 - L  Prog 9 Cash 48 Peak 74 BetAgainst (dc)
7983 - W  Prog 27 Cash 75 Peak 74 BetAgainst (dc)<--- prog @ 27 units
8044 - L  Prog 1 Cash 73 Peak 75 BetAgainst (db)
8049 - L  Prog 3 Cash 67 Peak 75 BetAgainst (db)
8067 - W  Prog 9 Cash 76 Peak 75 BetAgainst (db)
8091 - W  Prog 1 Cash 77 Peak 76 BetAgainst (da)
8144 - W  Prog 1 Cash 78 Peak 77 BetAgainst (da)
8216 - W  Prog 1 Cash 79 Peak 78 BetAgainst (dc)
8475 - W  Prog 1 Cash 80 Peak 79 BetAgainst (db)
8541 - W  Prog 1 Cash 81 Peak 80 BetAgainst (dc)
8582 - W  Prog 1 Cash 82 Peak 81 BetAgainst (db)
9108 - W  Prog 1 Cash 83 Peak 82 BetAgainst (dc)
9197 - W  Prog 1 Cash 84 Peak 83 BetAgainst (db)
9293 - W  Prog 1 Cash 85 Peak 84 BetAgainst (dc)
9363 - W  Prog 1 Cash 86 Peak 85 BetAgainst (da)
9460 - W  Prog 1 Cash 87 Peak 86 BetAgainst (db)
9506 - L  Prog 1 Cash 85 Peak 87 BetAgainst (da)
9526 - W  Prog 3 Cash 88 Peak 87 BetAgainst (da)
9685 - L  Prog 1 Cash 86 Peak 88 BetAgainst (da)
9694 - W  Prog 3 Cash 89 Peak 88 BetAgainst (da)
9820 - L  Prog 1 Cash 87 Peak 89 BetAgainst (db)
9851 - W  Prog 3 Cash 90 Peak 89 BetAgainst (db)
9962 - W  Prog 1 Cash 91 Peak 90 BetAgainst (dc)
10209 - W  Prog 1 Cash 92 Peak 91 BetAgainst (db)

[Robeenhuut]

Turnover Skakus. Random is struggling so hard to even make five 4 gaps. Its worth sacrificing one trigger for faster play. Neither Twister or myself have found more than FIVE 4 GAPS. playing in short bursts. Plus I have over 2,500 results where the best random could do was SIX 4 GAPS. Six times in 2,500 possible games. When I started with 3 triggers I was being over cautious, And as we know you get hardly any play with three. But with two its a lot more playable.

Strongest method? I don't know YET. Five is still beating this with only a 4 step progression. And 1,350/1. 8 ON 1 appears stronger at the moment because it hasn't lost in play. I am 420/0. But its got to win another 674 times just to match FIVE. And again FIVE only has 80 points on the line. This has 242. So FIVE is still the one for the time being. If I win 2000 straight with this. I would have to say its the King. Time will tell the story.

John

So you don't count 2 losses that happened when you played on columns? I guess that if you kept winning on columns you would accept the results.  To me it looks like 420/2 puts you 60u back.
Twister now has a good run on BVNZ although somebody saw 11 or 12 gaps on BVNZ and suddenly in your opinion BVNZ was no good to play on. Now if Twister has a good run then you plan to play there as well. I'm bit confused here.

Edit

  In Skakus test files in about 560 games played i saw 3 losses and in BVNZ about 90 games zero loses. 2 times 9 gaps.

[Johnlegend]

John

So you don't count 2 losses that happened when you played on columns? I guess that if you kept winning on columns you would accept the results.  To me it looks like 420/2 puts you 60u back.
Twister now has a good run on BVNZ although somebody saw 11 or 12 gaps on BVNZ and suddenly in your opinion BVNZ was no good to play on. Now if Twister has a good run then you plan to play there as well. I'm bit confused here.

Edit

  In Skakus test files in about 560 games played i saw 3 losses and in BVNZ about 90 games zero loses. 2 times 9 gaps.

Matt, yes I had two 7s on columns. But that was an experiment. The method is to be played as it was proofed ON DOZENS ONLY people. And on dozens I now stand at 425/0

Here's the thing Matt. Twister despite all the negative points made about this method. Has hit the ground running with it. And is showing you all. That knowing something can lose and meeting that loss in sporadic play are different things. Now today out of the blue, PILOT returns to tell you all what patience and postive mental attitude can achieve. 71500 made just playing PB. We can talk till the end Matt. Actions speak louder than words. People like Chauncy47, Kevint3, Twister and now Pilot are putting the work in. And they will reap the rewards.