71500 euros in one year, thanks to Johnlegend

[Skakus]

Hello Steve and all ( hopefully still thepilot as well  )


Thought I would jump on the hit and run merry go round again.


I look at it as a dart board. Say you have a method that loses 10 times per day statistically. In 24 hours there are +- 900 spins on a wheel. So our dart board has 900 sections and each day the 10 losing sections are moved around. Throwing blindly at this board a few times per day could allow us to skip those losses for a long enough time to gain profit longterm. Longterm is also a relative term. If I make 100,000 in two or three years I retire from the game and invest in something else.........


Either way, I don't think all players will be successful playing hit and run, perhaps 70%. This is why several BRs are important and distributing your winnings over those BR's will allow the majority to gain profit and keep you ahead. Using several different methods each having there own BR should be effective as well.

Sorry, this is all wrong.

Your dart board sectors should be session based not spin based, so your dart board should have much less than 900 sectors. Also because of the house edge and the unfair payouts the losing sectors should be much wider than the winning sectors. Now throw your darts.

Seriously, hit and run is a good comfort zone measure so has a place in the overall scheme of things, but I doubt it will improve any betting statistics over the long run.

[amk]

Hello Skakus!


That was just my take on it. Enough people are having success.


I think the final call is when you actually try a hit and run strategy.


thepilot did.

[speed]

Seriously, hit and run is a good comfort zone measure so has a place in the overall scheme of things, but I doubt it will improve any betting statistics over the long run.

in other words hit and run will not improve nothing on long run. 

[amk]

The long run is "relative" speed, no pun intended, just a theory

[iggiv]

when we talk hit-n-run, we talk of different things. Speed for example talks EC, i don't care what and how happens in EC. It is not a real roulette -- EC. Real roulette is where the ball falls on roulette wheel. Different events happening on the wheel. It is impossible to catch one event on the wheel and avoid another continously (unless u use Advantage-play methods like Steve does). but it is possible to do it from time to time. As simple as that. That's what hit-n-run is about for me.

[Robeenhuut]

The point here is not the size of Pilot winnings. He played with 50 euro base bet. But having just one loss in 180 games playing 1-2-4 Marty. Just calculate the odds. I got few thousands millions to 1. So im very reluctant to give him benefit of the doubt 

[Johnlegend]

While you did use a proxy, your other IPs are as you said.

Understand it from my view... new member, proxy, big claim.. using a system that in my experience has no chance of working.

You say you are trying to give hope to people here. It should not be false hope or you do harm.

I don't know JL's systems, but I see RBRBRBRB everywhere in explanations. I also see talk of "you need to leave after winning". These are two major, major red flags for a system that doesn't work.

Simple facts, take or leave:

1. After any sequence of RBRBRBRBRBRBRBR or whatever, the odds of R or B next do not change. To test a system, test the working principle. In your case, you are looking for a specific events or group of events (RBRB or whatever) to follow another sequence of RRBRBR or whatever. If you find the "trigger" sequence before betting does not at all increase the accuracy of predictions, the system will not work long term.

2. If a system requires you to leave after a certain amount of winnings, this is not a system. People that think otherwise drive me nuts because the logic is backwards.

Consider this......

There are 10,000 individual players all playing a great system.... the system requires them to leave when they're up or after a short while of play. Let's say most win, and the results are:

9000: happy winners of $50 each, all convinced they have the method. Total won = $450,000, woohoo

1000 sore losers of $500 each. What bad luck... I mean the system "usually" wins, but these poor guys got a bad run of numbers. Total loss = $500,000

So the overall result was the casino earned $50,000.


There is talk on the other thread about whether or not you need a long term winning system to beat roulette consistently. Think about it..... to each of the individual players above, they play short term. But everyone combined is long term. Whether you are one of the lucky or unlucky guys is not up to you.

I strongly suggest rather than test systems over and over in their entirety, just test the working principle! For example, after RRRRRRRRRRRR is B more likely to spin next?

NO

Everyone needs to learn from the mistakes of others.

ThePilot, if you have legtimately won $80k or so, keep doing it. But I don't believe you are honest about this, and if you are, you would have either had extreme luck, or be playing with large bets and in the short term.

If you run some simulations betting just red, and play for 10,000 spins, sometimes you will have profited. Does this mean only betting red is a good system? . . .

Come on guys, look at the bigger picture.

If you learn from people more experienced than yourself, its like learning another life of lessons. A nice shortcut. I don't mean blindly believe others - too many people do that and don't think for themselves. I mean consider what others say and understand WHY they say it, then verify things for yourself.

The problem is someone explains something and why it is fact, many people don't UNDERSTAND it. that's why they play RBRBRBRBRBR etc..

For almost 20 years, sincerely I have been working with roulette nearly every day. And I have never, never come across a single person that has a system that legitimately wins (long term) with RBRBRBRB. There are winners and losers of every system. It doesn't mean the system is profitable.

There are real and valid working systems, but RBRBRBR is not it. Most people don't like the idea of advantage play like visual ballistics.... because you know, physics and all that "knowing where the ball will land" talk is all quackery.

Steve there are people who have been playing this game forever who don't believe its for the taking, or know how to beat it. That doesn't mean IT CANNOT BE BEATEN.

Now I understand where you are coming from with your jaded point of view. But your argument for the 10,000 players doesn't stand up. For a start if you had 9,000 successful players of a method. There will be many Pilots among them. Its not a cut and dried level breakdown.

In the same sense that the 1,000 supposed losers will not all lose a set sum of 500 sterling in whatever currency..Especially if they are playing a method like PATTERN BREAKER. The thing is this. If I could find 10,000 players to play PATTERN BREAKER to the letter. And everyone of them started out with 500 points. Risking only a fraction of that on a game. A serious dent would be made in the industry. LONGTERM.

But what you have to keep in mind is there aren't even 10,000 minds out there who have what it takes MENTALY to get the better of this game. So you have seen countless systems,/methods, strategies. However you want to phrase it that can't/don't work

I make the argument that pound for pound PATTERN BREAKER is one of the best, if not the best method of alltime. Now Pilots numbers are fantastic, seemingly unbelievable to most. Even I am amazed. But I have a 4 year history with this method and I know what's achievable.

I have enjoyed 100 plus winning streaks, and made a profit with it from DAY 1. But even I have not executed it with the precise discipline that Pilot has. To play a strict 6 games ONLY day in day out. I have to hand it to the guy.


The only problem is Pilot made this incredible claim without the solid proof to back it up. That is a shortcoming I aim to put right over the next year. I am playing the method very close to Pilot. And can already see that his extraordinary claim might be very possible. He basically averages a strikerate of 20/1 consistently throughout a 12 month period over just under 2,200 games.


I have after just 75 games a strikerate of 36/1 I'm playing as he does only with more games per day.Your belief that RBRB cannot ever beat this game will be absolutely proven WRONG by me over the next 6--12 months. As Twister said why own a forum about systems when you don't believe in them???


H.A.R is a strategy of play, it will make a good method into a GREAT method. Just as no-one on this forum can find even 200 straight wins for my other gem 8 ON 1. Twister and I are both around the 500 mark already playing H.A.R. But nobody can explain that. Just make the same tired argument that theres absolutely no difference between playing all day. Or dropping on and off randoms track.


H.A.R works simply because to LOSE I have to land DEAD ON TOP of a losing game. The foolish players who sit there for hours and hours are ALWAYS travelling TOWARDS A LOSS. That's why H.A.R is a superior way to play today , tommorow, FOREVER. And what you see transpire over the next year will also prove this beyond doubt..

[Steve]

John, see my comments in bold text:

Steve there are people who have been playing this game forever who don't believe its for the taking, or know how to beat it. That doesn't mean IT CANNOT BE BEATEN.

Of course I know that.

Now I understand where you are coming from with your jaded point of view. But your argument for the 10,000 players doesn't stand up. For a start if you had 9,000 successful players of a method. There will be many Pilots among them. Its not a cut and dried level breakdown.

I dont think you understand. My 10,000 player example is another way of saying "there will be winners and losers. The overall result will be overall loss."

In the same sense that the 1,000 supposed losers will not all lose a set sum of 500 sterling in whatever currency..Especially if they are playing a method like PATTERN BREAKER. The thing is this. If I could find 10,000 players to play PATTERN BREAKER to the letter. And everyone of them started out with 500 points. Risking only a fraction of that on a game. A serious dent would be made in the industry. LONGTERM.

There is no difference between 10,000 individual players using your system for one session, and 1 player using your system for 10,000 sessions.

But what you have to keep in mind is there aren't even 10,000 minds out there who have what it takes MENTALY to get the better of this game. So you have seen countless systems,/methods, strategies. However you want to phrase it that can't/don't work

I'm not talking about capacity to follow the system. I'm assuming everyone uses it perfectly.

I make the argument that pound for pound PATTERN BREAKER is one of the best, if not the best method of alltime. Now Pilots numbers are fantastic, seemingly unbelievable to most. Even I am amazed. But I have a 4 year history with this method and I know what's achievable.

I have enjoyed 100 plus winning streaks, and made a profit with it from DAY 1. But even I have not executed it with the precise discipline that Pilot has. To play a strict 6 games ONLY day in day out. I have to hand it to the guy.


The only problem is Pilot made this incredible claim without the solid proof to back it up. That is a shortcoming I aim to put right over the next year. I am playing the method very close to Pilot. And can already see that his extraordinary claim might be very possible. He basically averages a strikerate of 20/1 consistently throughout a 12 month period over just under 2,200 games.


I have after just 75 games a strikerate of 36/1 I'm playing as he does only with more games per day.Your belief that RBRB cannot ever beat this game will be absolutely proven WRONG by me over the next 6--12 months. As Twister said why own a forum about systems when you don't believe in them???

Why own the forum? For a few reasons, main one being I run my ads. It is a fact that most players go about beating roulette all wrong. So what should I do?.. go against what I know is fact and sell something that doesnt work??

I dont believe your claims, whether they are knowingly false or not. It doesnt mean they arent true, but I dont believe you understand WHY I believe this. And you make statements that indicate you dont know what you're saying.

H.A.R is a strategy of play, it will make a good method into a GREAT method. Just as no-one on this forum can find even 200 straight wins for my other gem 8 ON 1. Twister and I are both around the 500 mark already playing H.A.R. But nobody can explain that. Just make the same tired argument that theres absolutely no difference between playing all day. Or dropping on and off randoms track.

H.A.R works simply because to LOSE I have to land DEAD ON TOP of a losing game.

So my understanding is your system can sustain itself for a long time, but a dead on top losing game wipes you out. That is not a long term winning system.

The foolish players who sit there for hours and hours are ALWAYS travelling TOWARDS A LOSS. That's why H.A.R is a superior way to play today , tommorow, FOREVER. And what you see transpire over the next year will also prove this beyond doubt..

John, my issue here is not personal. I know in my capacity as someone who has studied roulette for every day over almost 20 years that your approach cannot work. I see nonsense spread all over the forums and it misleads people and wastes their time. But I am not going to stifle anyone's talk or systems - people can learn for themselves. And if I'm wrong about it, then people will benefit.

I'm not interested in arguing the point further. I've said what I had to say and people can use their own heads.

[RouletteStar]

Dear John Legend,

I am a new member and would like to know, where do I go on the forum to find out how to play your system (Pattern Breaker)?
Is there a manual or a software program available?  Any help would be appreciated !

Thank You,

[TwoCatSam]

John has been banned from this forum for picking boogers and wiping them on the wall.

You may find him by emailing me at TwoCatSam@cox.net.

You may find the software at MST if it does not attach here.

Welcome--but do not wipe boogers on the wall or the dog.

Sam

[Skakus]

Hey Sam,

Remind me not to read any of your posts while I'm eating breakfast will ya!

Thanks.

[Steve]

RouletteStar, you are wasting your time, but it is your right to do so. Everything that needed to be said was already said. You can make up your own mind.

Just keep this in mind:

* besides a mysterious new forum member using a few different proxies to hide their real identity, or some short term players thinking a win over a few spins is proof of anything, nobody is profiting with John's systems because they don't work.

* John has released numerous so-called "holy grail no-fail" systems over the years, and they've all failed. This is probably why "John" keeps creating new accounts and fake names.

* "John" has been blatantly misleading people about his systems, and degrading forum integrity for years. So he was banned, many times before. Last time here, he created another fake name and new "holy grail". His claims brought a lot of attention, as he wanted. That system too was tested, and it failed. In his parting comment identified himself as "John", and alluded to the fact he makes his false claims about his systems just so he can get other people to test his ideas. He deleted the claim but it only went to the deleted items area, so was seen. Numerous outraged forum members saw it and complained before he removed it. He since sent me threatening messages saying he will hack the forum and delete all posts. It hasn't happened obviously but I saw his attempts.

Unfortunately people like him exist. And no forum tolerates his kind of behavior, except one that puts quantity of posts above quality, and members live in blissful ignorance. Some people there are still yet to learn what john is, and nor do they appreciate proper moderation.

Nevertheless his systems are not censored. Anyone can share his systems here. It is not in the best interests of the forum to censor such material. People need to learn for themselves. When someone even admits to constantly lying about the success of his systems to get people to test his ideas, should it be allowed? I wonder.

[TwoCatSam]

Hey Sam,

Remind me not to read any of your posts while I'm eating breakfast will ya!

Thanks.

Sorry 'bout that, Mate!

I watched your video and loved it.  Will the sequel be along soon.  I am working to learn your system.

Your voice sounds so familiar! 

Thanks

[ego]

RouletteStar, you are wasting your time, but it is your right to do so. Everything that needed to be said was already said. You can make up your own mind.

Just keep this in mind:

* besides a mysterious new forum member using a few different proxies to hide their real identity, or some short term players thinking a win over a few spins is proof of anything, nobody is profiting with John's systems because they don't work.

* John has released numerous so-called "holy grail no-fail" systems over the years, and they've all failed. This is probably why "John" keeps creating new accounts and fake names.

* "John" has been blatantly misleading people about his systems, and degrading forum integrity for years. So he was banned, many times before. Last time here, he created another fake name and new "holy grail". His claims brought a lot of attention, as he wanted. That system too was tested, and it failed. In his parting comment identified himself as "John", and alluded to the fact he makes his false claims about his systems just so he can get other people to test his ideas. He deleted the claim but it only went to the deleted items area, so was seen. Numerous outraged forum members saw it and complained before he removed it. He since sent me threatening messages saying he will hack the forum and delete all posts. It hasn't happened obviously but I saw his attempts.

Unfortunately people like him exist. And no forum tolerates his kind of behavior, except one that puts quantity of posts above quality, and members live in blissful ignorance. Some people there are still yet to learn what john is, and nor do they appreciate proper moderation.

Nevertheless his systems are not censored. Anyone can share his systems here. It is not in the best interests of the forum to censor such material. People need to learn for themselves. When someone even admits to constantly lying about the success of his systems to get people to test his ideas, should it be allowed? I wonder.

What does a person to gain posting systems that fail and claim he is winning using them.

[warrior]

What does a person to gain posting systems that fail and claim he is winning using them.

Your avatar name should answer that ?