Let's make an exclusive group of system developers and testers

[albalaha]

Dear all,
           My main motive behind joining this forum was to form an exclusive group who can mutually put ideas and testing together to form a system which takes care of proper bet selection, progression(if necessary), bankroll management, stoploss, loss recovery, triggers, streaks,sleepers etc. The maximum bankroll required should not be more than 100 units and profit has to be there even after playing for long. I can see in this forum and various other forums the so-called "Systems" are basically spineless and losers in long run. I do have some playing techniques, which wins at last but most of them needs bigger bankroll. So let's club our ideas, experience and hardwork(testing) together to create a final playable technique which can be used without thinking too much. Inputs for RNG roulette are always welcome.
                       Whoever wants to join this exclusive group, reply here with what he is going to contribute.

[Jordan]

Very nice .
I agree with you.
We have a very calm forum in here that day by day more and more memebers are joining.
So this means that we have all the nessesary things togeather to make systems.

I will be glad to help.

I will tell 1 thing though.
I am involved in roulette 3 years now EVERYDAY.
I have made a lot of systems and ofcource in the beginning of my 3 years trip I tested the well known losers systems.I also learned VB and played VB...nowdays that Casinos know about the conditions of the VB and Bias that are needed for the player to win,it is almost impossible to find such conditions...So I gave up on VB.
Because its like having a Lamborgini but no free ways to run.

The conclusion that I have made 3 years of research (and also it is very natural) is that
in Roulette there are NO betting selections that are winning more or losing more!
Every bet is the same,because every spin is completely indipendent.It doesn't parisipate in any froup of spins...what you see as a resault e.g. RRRBBRBRRB in the patterns is just the pure randomness that can do anything and when you will observe millions of spins you will see that NO pattern is better or worst.

So the conclusion is that IF we can win in Roulette ,the betting selection has nothing to do with it. ONLY the Money management could make a deference.

Yesterday I had an idea of all the things that I have learned in Roulette so far.
Today I am gonna test this idea of the MM that came to me.

I will tell you 1 more time...do not bother with Betting selections...
Betting the last or betting the penultinate or betting anything,doesn't change anything.
In some sessions the last will be winning and in other will be losing and in other sessions the penultimate will be winning and in other will be losing...
All these are just Random formations made by the pure Randomness of the game.

In my new idea of MM is that the negative edje of this game is small -2.7.

I will think of my project ,then I will test it a lot and if it is OK I will post it here.

Keep in mind that all of my ideas are for making 10-15 chips per session and then go homme. Even this is IMPOSSIBLE(to win in every visit I mean..or even win more than the losing ones)
So imagine the rest...
And when I say win 10-15 chips and go homme ,I don t mean anout HIT and RUN approatch...because this is also a Fallasy!
I say win 10-15 because it is a good and easy gain in order to add up in every visit and also because with the safety that we need in a system we MUST NOT increze dangerous the proggresions so the +10 can be in just 20 spins but it can also happen in 200 spins!.

So the correct project of everu system in roulette is this:

U must have in mind that because the Casino has the edje,it means that in the long run ,ALWAYS u will have more losing bets than the winning ones! But the losing bets will not be a lot more thna the winning ones because the ejde is only -2,7. so every succesfull method should have a MM that will make us + in the end of the session even if the WINS will be LESS than the losses.
And always with a safe way and not martignales.

Anyone that thinks that there is a better betting selection then the odds then I am telling him to test it FLAT betting.because it it is indeed better then other betting selections then it should be winning flat!
But this is never gonna happen

[Bayes]

Jordan,

I agree with you regarding 'hit and run' tactics, but not about bet selection being a waste of time. And if you agree with the maths in this respect (that no BS is better than any other) then to be consistent you have to agree that no progressions or MM can work either (which is what the maths also says). The maths says that NOTHING works, period (only AP).

There definitely ARE ways to reduce the dispersion between hits, which doesn't necessarily mean you will win flat betting (but could be enough to make a profit with clever MM), and some claim to win flat-betting too. What about Victor's method? and there are others like Bombus - are they ALL either liars or haven't tested enough?

[Jordan]

I agree with you on the point of the maths...I just hope like all of u!
Now as for Bombus ...if he would really had a winning method he wouldn t bother potsing in forums and also being a Moderator...LoL..this is funny. He would also not bother is reading other ppls methods and test them...
Roulette is ment to be unbeatable...so IF there is a winning method and U have found it...u would never care to find something else.

As for Victor's method...we can NOT say anything before we will test it a lot...can we?

[Jordan]

I have made systems like the Perfect Balance in the past...which I consider it the best system ever!Every member got crazy with it!
it won about 3.500 chips before tank....

so every system must be tested in at least 100.000 spins to say that it is a winner...

Also keep in mind that someone will finally understand that the outcome is being made from a wheel and a ball then he will imediatelly understand that everything is posible and that NO better bets exist.

The only thing that we could hope is the probability....but as u know it isnn t working.

Keep also in mind that IF there was winning methos...Casinos would have closed roulette or they would have made new rules to prevent this system of winning.

NOTHING THAT INVOLVES UNLIMITED AND EASY MONEY COULD EVER REMAIN A SECRET!!!

The person that would have invent this kind of system would soon or later expose it ...
reasons?

1)To help his closest ppl(so they would do the same and it would be spread)
2)for glory

[Bayes]

As for Victor's method...we can NOT say anything before we will test it a lot...can we?

No, we can't. We have to wait and see.  

[A3on]

"So the conclusion is that IF we can win in Roulette ,the betting selection has nothing to do with it. ONLY the Money management could make a deference."

@ Jordan
Sorry but I've to disagree with that

[Jordan]

ok A3 on.

then search for the rest of ur life for a bet selection that will be winning in the long term more than the others! hahahah!

[superman]

ONLY the Money management could make a deference

No apologies, I agree with this statement, the game is random, the flows WILL eventually catch up.

[Bayes]

Well, all I can say is that I've never been able to make a profit from MM alone, some attention to BS is necessary - but I'm happy to be proved wrong! 

[albalaha]

Dear all,
               Good discussion. Do you believe that any software like super roulette or any one for that matter helps getting edge? Can you name any successfull tool which you really believe to be a winner in long run?

[A3on]

Ok A3 on.

then search for the rest of your life for a bet selection that will be winning in the long term more than the others! hahahah!

Then tell me what difference can you make with a money management plan that can turn the house edge in you side?

Btw, no hard feelings, but you shouldn't be so closed minded

Regards,
Afonso

[albalaha]

Please do not go off-topic. Can someone lead us with a candle in the dark?

[Twisteruk]

Please do not go off-topic. Can someone lead us with a candle in the dark?

You albalaha ! Your the Moderator here, and its your thread 

[albalaha]

Can someone please come up with outlines of a successful system? Pessimists please leave this thread who says we can never win. This thread is not for arguments and personal egos but to get some conclusion. Who will do testing on RX and live spins?