Brainstorming: What do you THINK is our best bet to beat the roulette?

[Drazen]

 

Drazen

I understand what you are saying and I agree, but "So ignorant math fallacy." is hard to read and not take offense.  Many people equate ignorant with silly and they are two different things.

Will Rogers:  "We're all ignorant, just on different subjects."  Harshest thing the man ever said.  (That I've read anyway.)

Sam

Hello Sam

Well I apologize if that would offend someone, but at the same time I don't see why someone would offend because I didn't said silly as I agree with you, that is very different then ignorant about same subject...

I meant ignorant as not knowing/understanding parts of the theory of probability related to this game.. That is factual problem/deal for each individual and has nothing with what someone can claim...

I am not here to brag or something like that, I am not guru of roulette or probability of some kind. Theory of probability is very large subject. But I did enough efforts to understand parts of it which helped me to understand all in this game, considering that mathematical/statistical side.

Well that thing with deviations doesn't gives you any "advantage" in mathematical expression as Advantage-play can for example... So it means you would still lose -2.7 on the longrun.

You can start at any STD point and for the next same length sample you will still have 50:50 minus 2.7 on the longterm. You have here software from Bayes which proves that. But that is the not point of searching for deviations.

It doesn't means that higher deviation--if you start after missing many losses--, you will have more wins from that point. WRONG! You will still have 50:50 or any other ratio for each odds.. But you can hope for not having so severe deviation again..

That is if phenomenon in randomness called REGRESSION TOWARD MEAN, which says that if a variable is extreme on its first measurement, then it will get closer to the average on the second.
Regression to the mean is a real phenomenon, but it only says that given an extreme event, the following event will be less extreme - the vast majority of the time. That's a long way from saying that events are  governed by an invisible elastic band which somehow pulls the outcomes back to balance in the short term. In fact the opposite is the case - RATIOS will tend to balance, but not absolute numbers, which actually diverge as you get more results.

Regression to the mean is NOT CAUSABLE phenomenon

Things in between are MM job.

Best

Drazen

[Turner]

Drazen....sams point is that the word ignorant has lost its way in the english language. Its now an insult usually. MISGUIDED is more clever as it shifts the blame of ignorance onto others

[ddarko]

And...with the 3 or so spins left to bet its a case of throwing £25 chip at the dealer and shouting 13 and neighbours. that's the min bet for neighbours in uk. Unless you memorise every neighbor. Big stake and a big strain. For me it would anyhow

do the casinos you play at not have the "racetrack" option 

[Steve]

I've never found a wheel I can't beat with a roulette computer. Beating a wheel is one thing, but beating it in casino conditions is another because they may call no more bets way too early etc. If you have a wheel where you can bet when there are about 10 seconds to go before ball falls, you can beat it with either my uber or hybrid computers.

They are not for everyone though as the difficult wheels need the player to understand settings beyond "click here" and "bet". Some players take months to understand the complexities. Some players never fully understand it and don't succeed. Again it is not for everyone. For example, which setting does what and WHEN it is used. But if you're talking about simplistic computers, they are very simple to use, but are the same thing as visual ballistics which doesn't do a lot today. My computers range from $500 to $80,000. Big difference. they are very different ends of the scale. I could talk all day about what my computers can do and have many times. I have said many times what works best but most people keep going back to looking for some holy grail. Most people here vaguely know what I have, after all the links are everywhere so it makes no different to re-type what has already been said, but relatively few properly research it. and its more entertaining to post images of stretched body parts on VLS anyway

The overall simplest way to beat roulette I know is my auto software at genuinewinner.com. It beats about 35% of wheels with varying edge and predictions before ball release. Some wheels are minor 3% edge or so, but mostly between 8-12%, sometimes much more. It is more than a plug. I have been doing this for almost 20 years nearly every day, really. I originally created :.genuinewinner.com/truth/ so I didn't need to constantly type the same thing on forums, to explain what does and doesn't work. The vb system there has won well into millions. But that was yesterday and today its very different.

[Turner]

do the casinos you play at not have the "racetrack" option 

Ddarko....they do but is £5 MIN bet....5 numbers = £25min. Ive never placed more than £10 let alone £25

[ddarko]

Ddarko....they do but is £5 MIN bet....5 numbers = £25min. I've never placed more than £10 let alone £25

ok fair enough 

& btw I agree with you, "big strain" indeed 

[Drazen]

I have to go with "trending".  It is similar to repeats, but there are trends where the repeats don't come at all.  It is how sometimes we get RRRRR, sometimes we get RBRBRBRB, sometimes RRBBRRBB, and sometimes wild gibberish.

Dear Colbster

In the longterm you will face perfectly same number of chops as repeats as you call it... That way you can't rely on them more then on anything else for example following it raw..

Random has its limits and that can be proved and measured

For example number of series and singles and length of series and singles have same correlation as R/B for example

I ll take you example RBRBRBRBR--this pattern for example is at 3.0 std from normal distribution and RRRRRRRRR or BBBBBBBBB is also 3.0 STD. Mathematicaly they have same value and probability of showing

Same for chops vs any other serie

Cheers

Drazen

[TwoCatSam]

Turner

You are right.  The word has lost it's way.  There are places in the U.S. where, if you called a person ignorant, you could collect a fist very quickly.

Another word is "niggardly".  Some find this word very offensive for obvious reasons but it has nothing to do with what it sounds like.

Political correctness has run amok over here. 

Please don't call me a dirty bustard.

Sam

[Turner]

Turner

You are right.  The word has lost it's way.  There are places in the U.S. where, if you called a person ignorant, you could collect a fist very quickly.

Another word is "niggardly".  Some find this word very offensive for obvious reasons but it has nothing to do with what it sounds like.

Political correctness has run amok over here. 

Please don't call me a dirty bustard.

Sam

Never heard that one mate....niggardly.

its like Bast.ard, no one retorts "don't doubt my parantage" but it means born out of wedlock. That must of been a big insult 100 years ago.
Infact.....ignorant is almost always paired with bas.tard here in england.

" I walked in the cafe and the guy behind the counter said "yes!!", continuing to read his paper . I said..."breakfast please!".
"breakfast is until 11-00",he replied, pointing at the clock behind him without breaking his gaze at the newspaper.........

I said "its 11-02!",

"eee....leven...o...clock !!!" he snorted, emphasizing each syllable with his finger, and continued reading the rag.

I left the cafe muttering "ignorant bastard" under my breath.

[Skakus]

" I walked in the cafe and the guy behind the counter said "yes!!", continuing to read his paper . I said..."breakfast please!".
"breakfast is until 11-00",he replied, pointing at the clock behind him without breaking his gaze at the newspaper.........

I said "its 11-02!",

"eee....leven...o...clock !!!" he snorted, emphasizing each syllable with his finger, and continued reading the rag.

I left the cafe muttering "ignorant bastard" under my breath.

Reminds me of Michael Douglas in the McDonalds(Whammyburgers) scene of 'Falling Down'. Great movie.


Falling Down - I want breakfast

[ddarko]

Reminds me of Michael Douglas in the McDonalds scene of 'Falling Down'. Great movie.

Fantastic film, no doubt we have all had days like that !!!

"what do you mean..... I'm the bad guy?" = great line

[Turner]

Reminds me of Michael Douglas in the McDonalds(Whammyburgers) scene of 'Falling Down'. Great movie.


Falling Down - I want breakfast

if i catch it on the telly...I watch it to the end every time. Done that in excess of 10 times.

[Turner]

Sorry Prob.....we digress.

I went to the casino tonight. I won £78 on the bonus ball lottery at work, so I thought I would take it to the casino.

I voted repeats in the survey, and that's what I played.
I won first spin....just playing what had repeated on the marquee. it went perfect all night on 3 tables.
i won £30 with 50p chips....50% of my bankroll.
Wife lost £30 LoL. She was losing it as fast as I could win it.
I get very anxious playing a system in a casino. I'm very distractable. find it hard to concentrate in a crown.
I stick to repeats. never lets me down to badly.

Tried a few touching numbers when the repeats were low....they did ok too.

[probasah]

My vote went to repeaters as well. I think it is the only way to win the roulette, repeaters+ MM strategy.

Regards,
Alex

[iggiv]

u will not win on a long run on repeaters. You will encounter a lot of waking up sleepers and those which hit one time and now hit again...If it was that simple, roulette would not be  a casino game by now...but You can win some from time to time...

to really win u gotta bet something more complex and on very short periods...

Remember folks, roulette is mathematically unbeatable game and must be treated as such...if u wanna win of course.