Slow but sure even chance system

[GLC]

This can be played on any even chance bet.  I will use R/B in my presentation to keep it simple.

1.  Track for 2 in a row.
2.  Bet 1 unit for a chop up to 3 losses or a win.
3.  If the color streak continues for 3 losses or 5 in a row, start betting a 7 step martingale 1 - 3 - 7 - 13 - 25 - 50 - 100.  If you lose the whole progression, the color will have hit 12 times in a row.  This will cost you 202 units.  Not chicken feed, but a reasonable risk betting against 12 colors in a row.  If you get 12 colors/zeros in a row, this is a very unlucky day.  Call it quits and treat yourself and your Mrs., if you're married, to a nice dinner and just be thankful that the unit size was such that losing 202 units isn't that big of a deal.  If it is a big deal, shame on you for gambling with money you can't afford to lose.
4.  If you win before 12 in a row, and somewhere around 99+% of the time you will, you will have a chop.  You have just had a streak of the same color, so feel free to bet 1 unit for a 2nd chop.
5.  If you lose the 2nd chop bet, you will have 2 in a row so go back to 2.
6.  If you win the 2nd chop bet, track until you get 2 in a row at which time go to 2.  Or, you get 3 chops = RBRB or BRBR.
7.  If you get 3 chops, start betting 1 unit for 2 in a row for up to 3 losses.
8.  If you win within the 3 times, you will have 2 in a row so go to 2.
9.  If you lose all 3 times, once again you will start your marty of 1-3-7-13-25-100 betting for 2 in a row this time because you're betting for a break in the chops.  You will have to have 12 chops in a row to lose the 3 original bets plus the marty.
Once again, this is a very rare event.
10. Once you win by getting 2 in a row go to 2.
You can play this way betting only 1 unit followed by the 1-3-7-13-25-50-100 marty with no progression.  I suggest a win target of +10 to +20.
Or, you can use a slight progression of 1 2 3.
Bet 1 unit until you are more than 5 units down from your highest profit then go to 2 unit bets.
Bet 2 units until you are more than 15 units down from your highest profit then go to 3 unit bets.
Bet 3 units until you get less than 15 units down and then drop back to 2 unit bets.
Bet 2 units until you get less than 5 units down and then drop back to 1 unit bets.
If you use the progression, you start the marty on 3 instead of 1 when betting 2 or 3 unit base bets.  You still end the marty at the 100 unit bet.  This recovers lost units more quickly, but you lose 1 loss from 12 in a row to 11 in a row.
Remember, if you lose a 100 unit bet, that's it for the day.  This will be a rare occurrence but is for sure possible so expect it every now and then.
My 5-10% rule applies.  Only consider at most 5-10% of your winnings as true winnings.  The rest is a fee you will have to pay for the privilege of taking the casino's money.
I will give some examples of how this plays tomorrow.  Right now it's late here in the Sonoran desert.
Cheers,
GLC

[kingsroulette]

The only sure thing, about this way of playing is huge loss. Don't believe me, check yourself. Any simulation can prove it.

[Ralph]

Yes the step progression is not my  style.  After reading this I tried in a slight an other way. It is all GF but it is Ok by me.
I use BV and must stake every bet. I FTL 0.01 until three of a kind. Then I bet 0.1  for a chop once, if I win. if a loss I try two times more
to win one or lose three 0.1. Next time I get three of a kind I add a chip of 0.1 and stake 2x0.1. I add one until plus or stoploss.

The grand martingale is in some cases better than the martingal, if we survive using martingale 200 spins, use a stop at
1,2,4,8,16,32,64, it is not likely to recover as the 127 units lost needs 127 winning trials, which is usually much more than 200 spins.
Grand martingale  1,3,7,15,31, 63,127  lose more at the bust, but win a chip every spin, and then can recover in about 200 spins.
I do not use the marty, but if we check it out grand marty is better to recover.

[GLC]

Yes the step progression is not my  style.  After reading this I tried in a slight an other way. It is all GF but it is Ok by me.
I use BV and must stake every bet. I FTL 0.01 until three of a kind. Then I bet 0.1  for a chop once, if I win. if a loss I try two times more
to win one or lose three 0.1. Next time I get three of a kind I add a chip of 0.1 and stake 2x0.1. I add one until plus or stoploss.

The grand martingale is in some cases better than the martingal, if we survive using martingale 200 spins, use a stop at
1,2,4,8,16,32,64, it is not likely to recover as the 127 units lost needs 127 winning trials, which is usually much more than 200 spins.
Grand martingale  1,3,7,15,31, 63,127  lose more at the bust, but win a chip every spin, and then can recover in about 200 spins.
I do not use the marty, but if we check it out grand marty is better to recover.

You always make good points, Ralph.  I think I like playing with the 7 step boffins or parlay bet after the initial 3 losses.  Much less volatile than the marty, although the marty makes for a more exciting ride.  Sprinkle everything with luck and what's to worry about?


GLC

[GLC]

I recall a mathematician name ?Ginger? something did some analysis of the different bets on the old forum and came to the conclusion that the grand martingale was the most efficient progression to use if you could stand the heat.  Maybe she/he was right?

[iggiv]

i know a guy who bought a car on his grand martingale game...But that does not mean that u won't lose.

Accuracy of prediction is the only way, no progression

[eddy35]

Yes the step progression is not my  style.  After reading this I tried in a slight an other way. It is all GF but it is Ok by me.
I use BV and must stake every bet. I FTL 0.01 until three of a kind. Then I bet 0.1  for a chop once, if I win. if a loss I try two times more
to win one or lose three 0.1. Next time I get three of a kind I add a chip of 0.1 and stake 2x0.1. I add one until plus or stoploss.

The grand martingale is in some cases better than the martingal, if we survive using martingale 200 spins, use a stop at
1,2,4,8,16,32,64, it is not likely to recover as the 127 units lost needs 127 winning trials, which is usually much more than 200 spins.
Grand martingale  1,3,7,15,31, 63,127  lose more at the bust, but win a chip every spin, and then can recover in about 200 spins.
I do not use the marty, but if we check it out grand marty is better to recover.

I used to play 2 separate Martingales on both even money bets. So you win one unit on each spin.

For example :

Bet 1 red, if you lose bet 2 red and start betting 1 black. Now just play the normal martingale on both colors. I played this way during my time in university, 3 series of 10 spins gave me a 300 DM profit as long as I could play the 7 step ( 10,20,40,80,160,320,640 ) martingale. I tried to minimize the risk by cutting the sessions in series of 10 spins.

If you would play this system on both colors you would recover more quickly because you never lose on both at the same time.

[Ralph]

I used to play 2 separate Martingales on both even money bets. So you win one unit on each spin.

For example :

Bet 1 red, if you lose bet 2 red and start betting 1 black. Now just play the normal martingale on both colors. I played this way during my time in university, 3 series of 10 spins gave me a 300 DM profit as long as I could play the 7 step ( 10,20,40,80,160,320,640 ) martingale. I tried to minimize the risk by cutting the sessions in series of 10 spins.

If you would play this system on both colors you would recover more quickly because you never lose on both at the same time.

I am afraid you can lose more but not win more, win maybe more often.  I hope you do diff bet.

[eddy35]

I am afraid you can lose more but not win more, win maybe more often.  I hope you do diff bet.

But this has a lower risk then playing 1 martingale on 1 even bet. You only risk one bet, the other one wil always winn.
Normal if you play 10 spins on 1 even bet, you will winn 5 and lose 5, that will be the statistic in the long run. I could always calculate 1 chip profit for every spin, so 100 DM in 10 spins. I used to play 1 hour, 3 series of 10 spins and went home with 300 DM.
I stopped doing that because even this way it is very risky, I have thought about ways to reduce the risk but I couldn't figure it out. But I know playing 2 martingales on both colors is less risky then playing one.

[Ralph]

But this has a lower risk then playing 1 martingale on 1 even bet. You only risk one bet, the other one will always winn.
Normal if you play 10 spins on 1 even bet, you will winn 5 and lose 5, that will be the statistic in the long run. I could always calculate 1 chip profit for every spin, so 100 DM in 10 spins. I used to play 1 hour, 3 series of 10 spins and went home with 300 DM.
I stopped doing that because even this way it is very risky, I have thought about ways to reduce the risk but I couldn't figure it out. But I know playing 2 martingales on both colors is less risky then playing one.

It may be a lower risk, you may lose less, but win less as well. hedge bets are like this.  You speak about DM so it is some time ago.

I were in Germany quite after the WW!! and the casinos running. In Travemûnde I met a guy which is not the same one as have the nickname here as he had. We played I won some he more. He Martingaled at two opposite chances, I did somewhat else. I know he went broke, and I am a million a head in my total play.

[GLC]

For all of you punters who have been patiently biding your time waiting for me to hone this down to a razor sharp edge, get ready to shave!

Here's the system to date.  Forget the martingale unless you have plenty of money and a large loss or two won't bother you that much.

For those who want to play a little less volatile system here we go.

Track for 2 of the same color in a row (RR or BB) or 2 chops (RBR or BRB).
If you get 2 of the same color, bet 1 unit for the color to change.  Take 3 attempts at this betting 1 unit each time.
If you lose all 3 attempts, you move 1 step to the right on the bet line and continue betting for a change in color for up to 3 more times betting 2 units each bet.
If you win within the 3 attempts, you will have either RB or BR.  So we wait one more spin to see if we get 2 of the same or 2 chops.

If you get 2 chops, you bet 3 tries for 2 of the same color.  If you don't hit one of the 3 attempts, you move 1 step to the right on the bet line and continue to bet for 2 of the same color in a row.
That's all there is to it.  When you have 2 of the same color, you bet for a chop in sets of 3s.  You continue to bet for a chop until you finally win.  After 3 losses in a row, you increase your bet size to the next level.
If you have 2 chops, you bet 3 times for 2 of the same color.  You bet this bet in sets of 3s.  You continue to bet for a chop until you finally win.  After 3 losses in a row, you increase your bet size to the next level.

You reset to the beginning of the bet line any time you reach a new profit.  Don't move to the left on the bet line unless you are having a terrible session and your bets are getting too large, then you can work your way back down the line, but try not to go too far.  The further you go back toward the beginning of the line, the more wins it will take to reach a new profit.  This is a conscious decision on your part based on your personal playing style and risk tolerance.

Once you start playing, the only time you don't bet is after winning while betting for a chop.  A single chop is not a trigger to start betting.  A double chop is a trigger to start betting.

Here's some examples:
R
R  This is a trigger to start betting for B up to 3 times
R  Loss
R  Loss
B  Win  Okay, we are down 1 unit, but we stay at the 1 unit level because we didn't lose 3 times in a row.  We have a chop so we must wait one spin to see if it is going to a streak or chops.
R  Okay, now we know that we have a chop trigger so we bet for 2 of the same color to end the chop series.  Again, we will bet the current bet amount up to 3 attempts for 2 colors in a row.
B  Loss.  Next bet is for B or 2 colors in a row.
B  Win.  2 colors in a row are a trigger to bet for a chop.
B  Loss.
B  Loss.
B  Loss.  That's 3 losses in a row so we move 1 step to the right on the bet line and continue to bet at the new level for a chop.
B  Loss.
R  Win.  No Bet.  Wait for 1 spin to see if we get a chop or a streak.
B  Chops.  Bet for 2 in a row.
B  Win.
Etc...

Here's the bet line:

1  2  3  5  7  9  12  15  18  22  26  30  35  40  45  51  58  66  75  85  100.

I don't think you'll ever need anywhere near the whole line.  If you do decide to stay with it for the whole line, you should have a 1000 unit buy-in.
Remember, move 1 step to the right on 3 losses in a row.  Don't move back to the left until you reach a new profit or your bets are too high for your comfort zone.
A zero counts as one of the three losses but as far as tracking goes, they are ignored.

Enjoy,

GLC

[agesta]

For all of you punters who have been patiently biding your time waiting for me to hone this down to a razor sharp edge, get ready to shave!

Here's the system to date.  Forget the martingale unless you have plenty of money and a large loss or two won't bother you that much.

For those who want to play a little less volatile system here we go.

Track for 2 of the same color in a row (RR or BB) or 2 chops (RBR or BRB).
If you get 2 of the same color, bet 1 unit for the color to change.  Take 3 attempts at this betting 1 unit each time.
If you lose all 3 attempts, you move 1 step to the right on the bet line and continue betting for a change in color for up to 3 more times betting 2 units each bet.
If you win within the 3 attempts, you will have either RB or BR.  So we wait one more spin to see if we get 2 of the same or 2 chops.

If you get 2 chops, you bet 3 tries for 2 of the same color.  If you don't hit one of the 3 attempts, you move 1 step to the right on the bet line and continue to bet for 2 of the same color in a row.
That's all there is to it.  When you have 2 of the same color, you bet for a chop in sets of 3s.  You continue to bet for a chop until you finally win.  After 3 losses in a row, you increase your bet size to the next level.
If you have 2 chops, you bet 3 times for 2 of the same color.  You bet this bet in sets of 3s.  You continue to bet for a chop until you finally win.  After 3 losses in a row, you increase your bet size to the next level.

You reset to the beginning of the bet line any time you reach a new profit.  Don't move to the left on the bet line unless you are having a terrible session and your bets are getting too large, then you can work your way back down the line, but try not to go too far.  The further you go back toward the beginning of the line, the more wins it will take to reach a new profit.  This is a conscious decision on your part based on your personal playing style and risk tolerance.

Once you start playing, the only time you don't bet is after winning while betting for a chop.  A single chop is not a trigger to start betting.  A double chop is a trigger to start betting.

Here's some examples:
R
R  This is a trigger to start betting for B up to 3 times
R  Loss
R  Loss
B  Win  Okay, we are down 1 unit, but we stay at the 1 unit level because we didn't lose 3 times in a row.  We have a chop so we must wait one spin to see if it is going to a streak or chops.
R  Okay, now we know that we have a chop trigger so we bet for 2 of the same color to end the chop series.  Again, we will bet the current bet amount up to 3 attempts for 2 colors in a row.
B  Loss.  Next bet is for B or 2 colors in a row.
B  Win.  2 colors in a row are a trigger to bet for a chop.
B  Loss.
B  Loss.
B  Loss.  That's 3 losses in a row so we move 1 step to the right on the bet line and continue to bet at the new level for a chop.
B  Loss.
R  Win.  No Bet.  Wait for 1 spin to see if we get a chop or a streak.
B  Chops.  Bet for 2 in a row.
B  Win.
Etc...

Here's the bet line:

1  2  3  5  7  9  12  15  18  22  26  30  35  40  45  51  58  66  75  85  100.

I don't think you'll ever need anywhere near the whole line.  If you do decide to stay with it for the whole line, you should have a 1000 unit buy-in.
Remember, move 1 step to the right on 3 losses in a row.  Don't move back to the left until you reach a new profit or your bets are too high for your comfort zone.
A zero counts as one of the three losses but as far as tracking goes, they are ignored.

Enjoy,

GLC

Hi!
I have just made 20 swedish kronor in 10 min, i just played with 1 kr, if it would have been with euros it should be a very good earning for 10 min work.
I came up 2 times in the second betline.
Thanks a lot for this!!!
agesta

[Ralph]

Hi!
I have just made 20 swedish kronor in 10 min, i just played with 1 kr, if it would have been with euros it should be a very good earning for 10 min work.
I came up 2 times in the second betline.
Thanks a lot for this!!!
agesta

Yes bet in Euro, or 0.1 Euro instead of SEK.  I have never won using SEK 

[agesta]

Yes bet in Euro, or 0.1 Euro instead of SEK.  I have never won using SEK 

You see, even SEK has muscels!!!
But i am going to London this afternoon, i will try this with Pounds and see if that has any muscels

[GLC]

Glad you had some luck with this Agesta.

You can also us my "Win 2 or Lose 3" bet progression at the following link:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8750.msg75996#msg75996

Another option is to only bet for a max of 3 losses per trigger. 
In other words if you have RR and by bet for a B and lose 3 times, you will have RRRRR.  Instead of continuing to bet for B at the 2 unit level, you can wait for the R streak to end and pick up betting at the 2 level after the next trigger.

This will slow the play down because there will be more non-bet spins.  What it will do is protect you from a long losing streak if you're in a 9 or 10 in a row color streak.  The same for chops.

My personal opinion is to play my original way.  Why?  Because more bets being placed.  The more colors in a row, the less likely it will continue.  Not because the odds change for a R or B but because there are fewer 6 in a rows than 5 in a rows etc...

Also, there's nothing to keep you from having 3 or 4 five colors in a row back to back which means you'll still lose 6 or more times in a row.

This is not a perfect system, but it is a solid system.  One that you can walk away a winner most of the times you play.  Just be careful and don't give it all back on the times you come up short.

Good Luck,

GLC