Random.org

[warrior]

I still think that random.or can't compare to real roulette ,it's just different,anyone agree.

[Drazen]

I still think that random.or can't compare to real roulette

Why?

There is the purest random you will get. Same as unbiased wheel... It is a mathematicaly/statistically provable fact.

Drazen

[Turner]

I still think that random.or can't compare to real roulette ,it's just different,anyone agree.

Warrior.....I've shown (to myself) that the wheel tries to repeat and misses. Say its spin 48 and 0 has his 4 times. Often, in the next 20 spins, 26 or 32 will show....or both, or one twice. I believe the wheel was trying to repeat 0 and missed. Maybe it misses a lot...like 0 sleeps for 300 spins....you see it land in zero....and a little kick.....its in 32...or further round
How can rand.org do this?....makes no sense.
I believe this is the imperfections in the wheel. It produces random...passes chi-square test....but it produces its own random. Hot room..cold room....humid..dry....dealer didn't wash his hand after he licked ketchup off his fingers during his break....i don't know!.....but a wooden wheel spun by a human must be subtly (not uniquely) different to ran.org.

[Turner]

Warrior.....I've shown (to myself) that the wheel tries to repeat and misses. Say its spin 48 and 0 has his 4 times. Often, in the next 20 spins, 26 or 32 will show....or both, or one twice. I believe the wheel was trying to repeat 0 and missed. Maybe it misses a lot...like 0 sleeps for 300 spins....you see it land in zero....and a little kick.....its in 32...or further round
How can rand.org do this?....makes no sense.
I believe this is the imperfections in the wheel. It produces random...passes chi-square test....but it produces its own random. Hot room..cold room....humid..dry....dealer didn't wash his hand after he licked ketchup off his fingers during his break....i don't know!.....but a wooden wheel spun by a human must be subtly (not uniquely) different to ran.org.

And yes, I have an answer to what you are thinking


If numbers kept missing, it would show in the long run, but all numbers are missing now and again, so 0 would show for 32, in sympathy. Over 1000000 spins, it all evens out, but over tiny samples of 100 spins, it is happening and can be utilised.


It makes sense, considering how random is produced on an analogue wheel, to bet 9,22,18,29,7 if you are waiting for 18


On random .org, what is the point of betting 9,22,18,29,7 if you are waiting for 18.
Surely, here lies the difference.

[Proofreaders2000]

I still think that random.or can't compare to real roulette ,it's just different,anyone agree.

I agree.  There is a physics element involved with Roulette which must
be considered.  There aren't any VBers (I know of) that would rely on atmospheric noise.

[Ralph]

Physics are involved in both a roulette wheel and the random org numbers.  I think if you make blind test nobody can tell the different, providing the wheel is well balanced.


Which difference you see? 


Pick the numbers random, we can allways find different series, looking different, as random series are.


Reading random is like reading hands and tell the future, more a belief than fact.

[Turner]

I did know random.org used atmospheric noise....but until i read this phrase again......Atmospheric noise is micowave background noise from the big bang  isnt it?.......static?
They are generating random from big bang echo?.

[Ralph]

I did know random.org used atmospheric noise....but until i read this phrase again......Atmospheric noise is micowave background noise from the big bang  isnt it?.......static?
They are generating random from big bang echo?.

It is an echo of BB as you and me, and also any wheel!!    If we can proof a difference between a wheel and random.org
we could use it. 


Random in infinity shows everthing, we can start using 37 spins, check them, and redo it until we see two the same,
we will spend the rest of our life without find anyone. If 7 billion people do it is is still not sure we will find two of the same. Two small samples can look very different.


How about checking 10000 of numbers??

[TwoCatSam]

I thought they used atmospheric pressure.  Thus, if a mosquito farts in the Amazon, it will produce #13.  No?

[Turner]

@ ralph.....how about using a million monkeys on typewriters....would give them a welcome break from producing shakespear.
@ sam that was daft enough to raise a titter from this side of the pond

[Ralph]

@ ralph.....how about using a million monkeys on typewriters....would give them a welcome break from producing shakespear.
@ sam that was daft enough to raise a titter from this side of the pond

Million monkeys will not do that in zillions of years, even if we lock the caps.  The very first line will takes billions of year, any word every day. The wheel has 37  and is not more simple.


The fastest way to separate random series of 200 number from human made series, is to check if it is six in a row, if suspected random.  Whe reasons behind the  habit to wait and bet on a trigger, is the human mind do not grasp randomness, it must be a pattern.