[DISSENTING] Re: The Gizmotron Progression for 2/1 bets in Roulette

[FENDER1000]

It's a four step progression.   Three steps will produce too many loss sequences.   Also 1,3,9,27 produces wins for approximately 33% of the time.   Your progression would not.   I might as well tell you about the zeros.   Don't use this progression when the zeros are very active.   Don't place a bet after a zero hits.   Wait until a first single occurs.   The entire success of the progression comes from it being rare enough to be effective.   Three steps is not rare enough.   Everything I have learned about progressions is that they can't work.    Yet this progression tends to work in testing.   It's because the repeats are waited on while requiring a very strong stretch of bunched together repeats combined with singles in an exactly spaced pattern.   It's not magic.   It's not attempting to defy basic arithmetic.  

If you have to worry about zeros strategy is weak.  And muct be avoided.  The whole point of the ZONE is that house edge and negative expectancy do not touch it.  You have just made it susceptable to house edge no good.  Avoid. . .

[Gizmotron]

calm it boys dont need the arguing here gizmo leave your ego at vlsroulette keep it peaceful here

I take it everyone thinks they understand the progression and the rules then? How often does a full system get understood after the first post? I've never seen that yet. So I doubt that this time it has happened either. The topic is the progression. Please leave discussion of other forums out of this. That is the spirit of this forum and I don't need to be reminded of the fact.

[Gizmotron]

If you have to worry about zeros strategy is weak.  And muct be avoided.  The whole point of the ZONE is that house edge and negative expectancy do not touch it.  You have just made it susceptable to house edge no good.  Avoid. . .

This is not a proper place to discuss he Zone. If you are not Charles then you are a known disruptive poster that has done what you did get banned for over at VLSroulette. You jumped into every thread and chanted the great achievement of your "Zone" system.  Oh, ByTheWay Charles,  This is the system you accused me of not posting. Not only does it give me credibility that I did have something. It shows clearly that you never saw the true power of my observations. Even now you are a clueless egotistical and massively disruptive member of this forum. If Steve says you are Charles, "especially what is posted on the new page 30 of Charlie's website," then I would think that Victor might want to investigate what Steve has to say more closely.

But one thing is for sure. You have not tested my system. You don't understand it. And you are wrong about the zeros. Your sole purpose is to make fools out of people with your Zone system. If you are not Charles you are still massively disruptive and this interruption here is exactly how you are disruptive. You need to talk about the Zone. Fine. Do it in the Zone thread.

P.S. Cool. Fender is removed from this thread. Now that works fine.

[StackBundles]

giz! what are you trying to do! this is not the place to attack people as i said before leave your ego at vlsroulette or you wont last long here

[Gizmotron]

giz! what are you trying to do! this is not the place to attack people as i said before leave your ego at vlsroulette or you wont last long here

Then don't attack me. It's that simple.

[StackBundles]

look at your first post about your system it was attacking fender why not just post the system without any of the things you said about fender

[hamsup_sotong]

Guys please lets keep this civil. Shake hands and get it over and done with .. Let bygones be bygones and lets move on ,On with the playing that is !!!!!

best regards to both fender and giz
Hamsup

[Gizmotron]

look at your first post about your system it was attacking fender why not just post the system without any of the things you said about fender

Fender posted endless and monotonous posts at vlsroulette that I had nothing. I chose to answer him here, where civility is really monitored. He deliberately accused me of not understanding his Zone system. I insisted that it was he that didn't notice the significance of it. In fact he still doesn't know. I have extensively made an effort to congratulate him and to acknowledge his achievement. Once it was discovered that he was Charles I decided it was time to correct a few things. I'm taking full credit for my system because Charles(Fender?) can't see any positive thing in it. He, by his own mouth, confirms that he is oblivious to the deeper understanding of systems like mine. That just going to have to be too bad for him. It's my discovery. I took someone else's idea and made it better. I told him from the get go that I had done this. But he chose to attack me as being wrong and stupid. Now I have provided all that proof that everyone has demanded for several years. It might fail in long term testing, in a correctly operated testing, but I don't think it will.


This is different than busting into every thread to shill his "Zone" system. I'm not attacking Fender. I'm answering him.

[StackBundles]

ok well you have said your piece no need to say it again

[FENDER1000]

Fender posted endless and monotonous posts at vlsroulette that I had nothing.   I chose to answer him here, where civility is really monitored.   He deliberately accused me of not understanding his Zone system.   I insisted that it was he that didn't notice the significance of it.   In fact he still doesn't know.   I have extensively made an effort to congratulate him and to acknowledge his achievement.   Once it was discovered that he was Charles I decided it was time to correct a few things.   I'm taking full credit for my system because Charles(Fender?) can't see any positive thing in it.   He, by his own mouth, confirms that he is oblivious to the deeper understanding of systems like mine.   That just going to have to be too bad for him.   It's my discovery.   I took someone else's idea and made it better.   I told him from the get go that I had done this.   But he chose to attack me as being wrong and stupid.   Now I have provided all that proof that everyone has demanded for several years.   It might fail in long term testing, in a correctly operated testing, but I don't think it will. 


This is different than busting into every thread to shill his "Zone" system.   I'm not attacking Fender.   I'm answering him. 

Giz who created this strategy to start with? I have made money from it for 10 years.   If you want to put me down fine.   But don't EVER tell me the zone in its original form doesn''t work.   Because it ABSOLUTELY DOES.   And I will keep saying this for alltime.   ANYONE WHO PLAYS IT TO MY ADVICE WINS, ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.   Nothing needs to be added or taken away.   That 4th loss is so infrequent its a virtual certainty.   When it eventually hits.   You are 5---1 up in the profit to loss ratio minumum.   I have been 46---1 up.   When it took 4.  3 years for me to suffer  a 4loss.   So try to take that onboard before you start attacking.   That rare losing sequence is the zones success and power.   NOTHING ELSE.   House egde nope negative expectancy nope.   The only thing that strategy needs is for that 4loss to maintain its scarceness and boy does IT.  .  . 

[Gizmotron]

Giz who created this strategy to start with? I have made money from it for 10 years.   If you want to put me down fine.   But don't EVER tell me the zone in its original form doesn''t work.   Because it ABSOLUTELY DOES.   And I will keep saying this for alltime.   ANYONE WHO PLAYS IT TO MY ADVICE WINS, ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.   Nothing needs to be added or taken away.   That 4th loss is so infrequent its a virtual certainty.   When it eventually hits.   You are 5---1 up in the profit to loss ratio minumum.   I have been 46---1 up.   When it took 4.  3 years for me to suffer  a 4loss.   So try to take that onboard before you start attacking.   That rare losing sequence is the zones success and power.   NOTHING ELSE.   House egde nope negative expectancy nope.   The only thing that strategy needs is for that 4loss to maintain its scarceness and boy does IT.  .  . 

I never said that the Zone does not work. I told you that I took it inside out and upside down. Do you recall that? Where did you get the idea of "a rare losing sequence?" That's my observation that I shared. In ten years you never noticed that. I'm the inventor because I noticed it instantly. In fact You don't know the point of your own Zone system that inspires that observation.  Go ahead, tell us where it fits. I'm sending a private message to Victor that shows exactly where it is in your system and why I said it.

[VLS]

I'm sending a private message to Victor that shows exactly where it is in your system and why I said it.

Received.

[StackBundles]

really does look like you have got a problem gizmo i dunno what it is i think you want everyone to worship you because you found something? something that is currently in the minus which i have never recieved with the zone its good you noticed something and shared it but i really dont think its as good as your making it out to be

[Gizmotron]

really does look like you have got a problem gizmo i dunno what it is i think you want everyone to worship you because you found something? something that is currently in the minus which i have never recieved with the zone its good you noticed something and shared it but i really dont think its as good as your making it out to be

So you are the low life that masquerades as Charley's shill. Steve warned about you over at VLS. A general consensus is not decided regarding my system yet. Certainly not one by you, you trouble making shill of a sold out weenie. Go somewhere else. Any time my system is power tested by computer simulation, assuming that is done correctly, then the truth will be known. It's not easy to set proper waiting periods and zero avoidance conditions. It's easy to follow the rules. Here is another thing. The rules have not changed. They became crystal clear by the first page. What's the Zone up to, 150 pages? And I hear that the rules are still confusing and changing. That's a total laugh. In fact is a total disgrace for someone that has had 10 years to refine it. You are nothing but a phony shill.