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[GLC]

Tell me about it

Well I revised my results above due to some miscalculation.

Kattila may be way to go! After that horrible session Kattila comes out with -28 (due to stops and betting reduction) Next bet would be 6u. (2 x 3u) A couple of wins and hey presto would be back in profitsville...
I very much like the way it handled those numbers.

Not giving up yet!
A.

Sometimes, I like to hand pick losing spins so I can see what will kill my system.  Okay, this time we got to see it in real life, but we all knew it was there.

Mr. J wouldn't even consider playing this system with less than 1000 $5 units, and with that kind of back-up, he could survive this little hiccough with the greatest of ease.  And, he may never reach to bottom of 1000 unit bank in his life time.

A 100 unit bank is way too small for any of these type systems.  If we're winning 15 to 30 units per hour, at $2 units, that's not exactly chump change.

I'm looking for a system that wins 100 units 20 to 30 times between 1000 unit losses.  I think we have all worked on a few that may fit that specification.  I think that this may be one of them.

Sure, it's nice to have a system that wins 5-10 units steadily, but just 1 downturn can wipe out a lot of units.

I like Katilla's tweak because it generates units quickly which means you can hit the 100+ unit mark often enough to stay ahead of these losing streaks.

Like Atlantis said, a short run of wins at almost any point with bigger betting units can recover from a lot of small unit losses quickly.

I'm just glad to finally see what we're up against.

G

[F_LAT_INO]

Well said George,
Except that I knew it all the time,about a stop lose
limits.In my play that doesn't exists....only when
presenting some method here....but in real play never.
I stop when I see a pit boss and the dealer sweat why
don't I drop down after so many hits,but I get up and
ko very often.I just did it tonight in only 42 spins,and home
early.

[atlantis]

Hi, GLC.

You wrote:

I have a brother who's going to go on an all day visit to a local casino.  He has been donating to the casino's bottom line in the past by playing slots, a sure loser in the long run.  
He knows that I have been testing Roulette strategies so he wants me to recommend a system that is easy to play and has a good chance for him to walk out a winner.
I'm thinking that this may be the one to recommend.  We've got 7 days to get a better feel for the best way to play it.

I am hoping (and praying) that the method + kattila will be the answer you can give to him - but still now needs some more testing. But I AM optimistic, George. Also maybe if playing @25p units with a bank of Ã,£100,  Ã,£150 or thereabouts might suffice for a start?
Of course higher units if the tests prove successful.



A.

[atlantis]

F_LAT_INO wrote:

I stop when I see a pit boss and the dealer sweat, why don't I drop down after so many hits, but I get up and ko very often.

Nice one,
A.

[warrior]

Oh dear, twister!  

Nightmare numbers. It makes you want to give up! I am so disappointed...

Here are results using warrior variation (not good)

18      nb
10   1.25    1.25   -1  L
12   1.25    1.25   -2  L
28   1.25    1.25   -3  L
22   2.50    2.50   -5  L
0        nb
30   2.50    2.50   -7  L
32   2.50    2.50   -9  L
24      nb
28   3.75    3.75  -12 L
14      nb
36   3.75    3.75  -19.50 L
11   3.75    3.75  -22.50 L
27    5         5     -26.50 L
5      5         5     -36.50 L
21       nb
4         nb
3      5         5      -46.50 L
12    6.25    6.25 -51.50 L
32    6.25    6.25 -64      L
34       nb
26       nb
18    6.25    6.25 - 47.50 W
14    6.25    6.25 - 60 L
25       nb
4      6.25    6.25  -72.50 L

Flatbetting =  -28
Warrior variation (above)  = -72.50 (amended)
Katilla -28 (stop until win after six losses in a row)

Katilla cuts out losses after the 2 sets of 3L's until a virtual win.
2 - 4 - 6 (3 L's) go down 2u for next bet
2 - 4 - 6  (2nd 3L's) go down 2u for next bet
STOP
WAIT FOR PAPER (VIRTUAL) WIN then RESTART @1u
2-4   (2 L's)
Total=-28u
=======
Next bet would be 6u. (2 x 3u)
Katilla idea may be best to handle these sorts of situations.

A.

I think you have this wrong with my variation on this 26 spin session ,ex.bet units 4 $ for 4 line and then comes prog.
       18 nb
       10 w +2  1-1
       12w +4 1-1
      28 w +6 1-1
       22w +8 1-1
       0 L   +4 1-1
      30w  +8 2-2
      32L   +4 1-1
      24W +8 2-2
      28w +10 1-1
      14w+12  1-1
       36L +8   1-1
       11 nb
        27w+12 2-2
       5L +8   1-1
      21NB
      4 NB
      3L  +0 2-2
      12w+6 3-3
      32L  +2 1-1
     34 NB
     26 NB
      18W+6 2-2
      14l +2  1-1
      25 nb
      4L   -6 2-2  26 SPINS MY FRIEND -6  not -72  cheers warrior.
     

[Twisteruk]

Damn Im confused 


Im off ta bed im old and tired lol


Let me know what you conclude 

[Kattila]

Session  using this progression (Barracuda hybrid)

- at w  +1, but after 3 :  -2 units per line
- at L1 and L2 bet +1,  but at 3 LLLs  -2 units per line
- after two consecutive L series (L1L2L3...L1L2L3)  reset to 1unit
   (or even better stop and bet again after some wins).


Stop lose at -100,  BUT this time ,

Let s see what is happening  when we play without stop lose,
so non-stop.
This progression bring us back from  hell. (?)


27  RO  bet A    1u (each DS)
11  BO  L1  -2    bet B  2u
26  BE  L2  -6    bet A  3u
24  BE  L3  -12  no bet
16  RE               bet B  1u
10  BE  L1  -14  bet A  2u
3    RO  L2  -18  bet A  3u
36  RE  w   -6    bet B  4u
15  BO  L1  -14  bet B  5u
5    RO  w   +6   bet A  6u
19  RO  L1  -6    no bet
36  RE               bet B  7u
34  RE  L2  -20  no bet
2    BE                bet A  8u
29  BO  L3  -36  bet B  6u
2    BE   w  -12  bet A  7u
30  RE  L1  -26  bet B  8u
33  BO  L2  -42  bet B  9u
23  RO  w  -6     bet  A  10u
3    RO  L1  -26  bet A  11u
4    BE  L2  -48  bet A  12u
24  BE  L3  -72  no bet
21  RO               bet A  10u
29  BO  L1  -92  bet B  11u
6    BE  w   -48  bet A  12u
25  RO  L1  -72  bet A  13u
21  RO  L2  -98  no bet                 -98 !
5    RO               no bet   
14  RE               bet  B  14u
4    BE  w   -42  bet  A  15u
34  RE  w   +18  bet B  16u       than +18 !
15  BO  L1  -14  bet  B  17u
28  BE  L2  -48  bet  A  18u
14  RE  w  +24  bet  B  19u
29  BO  L1  -14  bet  B  20u
14  RE  L2  -54  bet  B  21u
7    RO  L3  -96  bet  A  19u
1    RO  L1  -134  no bet               -134 !
35  BO               bet  B  20u
19  RO  w  -54   bet A  21u
15  BO  w  +30  bet B  22u     than +30 !
34  RE  L1  -14   bet B  23u
13  BO  L2  -60   bet B  24 u
10  BE  L3  -108  bet A  22u
6    BE  L1  -152  no bet
9    RO                 bet A  23u
36  RE  w  -60     bet B  24u
33  BO  L1  -108  bet B  25u
33  BO  L2  -158  no bet
33  BO                 no bet
24  BE                 bet A  26u
5    RO  L3  -210  bet A  24u
18  RE  w   -114  bet  B  25u
35  BO  L1  -164  bet B  26u
15  BO  L2  -216  no bet               -216 !
14  RE                  bet B  27u
4    BE  w  -108    bet A  28u
0          L1  -164   Bet A  29u
16  RE  w  -48      bet B  30u
21  RO  w  +72     bet A  31u
2    BE  L1  +10    bet  A  32u
18  RE  w  +138                          than +138 !

End Session    at  +138 

I was once at -98  but than recover to +18
.........once  at -134 but than recover to +30
.........once  at -216  ..........................+138 



Please test guys .

Cheers.

[Bazeegar]

Fripper, are you still going to continue the tests? I am still interested in that approach.  New progression is too aggressive for me. 

[Kattila]

Yes this progression is agressive, but remember we can start from
0,50 per DS  not necesary from 1, so:


- at w  +0,50, but after 3 :  -1 units per line
- at L1 and L2 bet +0,50,  but at 3 LLLs  -1 units per line
- after two consecutive L series (L1L2L3...L1L2L3)  reset to 1unit
   (or even better stop and bet again after some wins).

good luck

[GLC]

Session  using this progression (Barracuda hybrid)

- at w  +1, but after 3 :  -2 units per line
- at L1 and L2 bet +1,  but at 3 LLLs  -2 units per line
- after two consecutive L series (L1L2L3...L1L2L3)  reset to 1unit
  (or even better stop and bet again after some wins).


stop-loss at -100,  BUT this time ,

Let s see what is happening  when we play without stop-loss,
so non-stop.
This progression bring us back from  hell. (?)


27  RO  bet A    1u (each DS)
11  BO  L1  -2    bet B  2u
26  BE  L2  -6    bet A  3u
24  BE  L3  -12  no bet
16  RE               bet B  1u
10  BE  L1  -14  bet A  2u
3    RO  L2  -18  bet A  3u
36  RE  w   -6    bet B  4u
15  BO  L1  -14  bet B  5u
5    RO  w   +6   bet A  6u
19  RO  L1  -6    no bet
36  RE               bet B  7u
34  RE  L2  -20  no bet
2    BE                bet A  8u
29  BO  L3  -36  bet B  6u
2    BE   w  -12  bet A  7u
30  RE  L1  -26  bet B  8u
33  BO  L2  -42  bet B  9u
23  RO  w  -6     bet  A  10u
3    RO  L1  -26  bet A  11u
4    BE  L2  -48  bet A  12u
24  BE  L3  -72  no bet
21  RO               bet A  10u
29  BO  L1  -92  bet B  11u
6    BE  w   -48  bet A  12u
25  RO  L1  -72  bet A  13u
21  RO  L2  -98  no bet                 -98 !
5    RO               no bet  
14  RE               bet  B  14u
4    BE  w   -42  bet  A  15u
34  RE  w   +18  bet B  16u       than +18 !
15  BO  L1  -14  bet  B  17u
28  BE  L2  -48  bet  A  18u
14  RE  w  +24  bet  B  19u
29  BO  L1  -14  bet  B  20u
14  RE  L2  -54  bet  B  21u
7    RO  L3  -96  bet  A  19u
1    RO  L1  -134  no bet               -134 !
35  BO               bet  B  20u
19  RO  w  -54   bet A  21u
15  BO  w  +30  bet B  22u     than +30 !
34  RE  L1  -14   bet B  23u
13  BO  L2  -60   bet B  24 u
10  BE  L3  -108  bet A  22u
6    BE  L1  -152  no bet
9    RO                 bet A  23u
36  RE  w  -60     bet B  24u
33  BO  L1  -108  bet B  25u
33  BO  L2  -158  no bet
33  BO                 no bet
24  BE                 bet A  26u
5    RO  L3  -210  bet A  24u
18  RE  w   -114  bet  B  25u
35  BO  L1  -164  bet B  26u
15  BO  L2  -216  no bet               -216 !
14  RE                  bet B  27u
4    BE  w  -108    bet A  28u
0          L1  -164   Bet A  29u
16  RE  w  -48      bet B  30u
21  RO  w  +72     bet A  31u
2    BE  L1  +10    bet  A  32u
18  RE  w  +138                          than +138 !

End Session    at  +138  

I was once at -98  but than recover to +18
.........once  at -134 but than recover to +30
.........once  at -216  ..........................+138  



Please test guys .

Cheers.

This is what I'm talking about.  I know this is pretty aggressive, but it  delivers in the long run.  Katilla's posted 3 sessions and he's already up over 550 units and he hasn't even gotten close to a real stop-loss.

I know testing is in the early stages  and I tend to get excited early on.  But this is showing real promise for those of us who like more action than waiting.

I'm wondering if we shouldn't just increase each bet by 1 unit until we are up enough to take a break, then start over at 1 and go for a roller coaster ride.  This is up and down so much, there are lot's of jumping off places with a win.

On the other hand;  Warrior's tweak seems to help some for those who like to take it slow and easy.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm still on board.

My brother wanted a system that would give him a chance to win something since he usually just donates his money to the one-armed-bandits.  I'm thinking that this should get his heart pumping at least as much as a slot machine  and with a lot better odds to win.

LoL,

George,

P.S.  Sorry for my use of a lot of " figures of speech".  If any of you don't understand what they mean, just ask and I'll rephrase.

[atlantis]

Hi,

@Warrior my results for twister's nightmare numbers used my variation on your approach using quarter value units on lines 2 and 5 and sticking with the original 111-222-333... etc. progression... forward 1 on a loser; back 2 on a winner. In actual fact I had made a mistake in my result because I missed a "no-bet" so I publish the amendment below:

18      nb
10   1.25    1.25   -1  L
12   1.25    1.25   -2  L
28   1.25    1.25   -3  L
22   2.50    2.50   -5  L
0        nb
30   2.50    2.50   -7  L
32   2.50    2.50   -9  L
24      nb
28   3.75    3.75  -12 L
14      nb
36   3.75    3.75  -19.50 L
11      nb
27   3.75   3.75   -22.50 L
5      5         5      -32.50 L
21       nb
4         nb
3      5         5      -42.50 L
12    5         5      -46.50 L
32    6.25    6.25 -58.50 L
34       nb
26       nb
18    6.25    6.25 - 41.50 W
14       5         5   - 51.50 L
25       nb
4      6.25    6.25  -63.50 L

Corrected result=-63.50

That means my corrected result for flatbetting is -26

The Kattila result is the same at -28

===========

Warriors way is to use equal unit value on the additional lines 2 and 5 and use progression:
1-1,2-2,3-3,STOP

     18 nb
       10 w +2  1-1
       12w +4 1-1
      28 w +6 1-1
       22w +8 1-1
       0 L   +4 1-1
      30w  +8 2-2
      32L   +4 1-1
      24W +8 2-2
      28w +10 1-1
      14w+12  1-1
       36L +8   1-1
       11 nb
        27w+12 2-2
       5L +8   1-1
      21NB
      4 NB
      3L  +0 2-2
      12w+6 3-3
      32L  +2 1-1
     34 NB
     26 NB
      18W+6 2-2
      14l +2  1-1
      25 nb
      4L   -6 2-2  

 Result= -6  

======

So although I am going to resume testing with the kattila approach (with stops) the original Warrior way is still very much quite valid and worth close inspection. Thanks Warrior for posting your results... Please continue to do so.

Thanks Kattila for your result showing profit even without the stops.

@twister, warrior: hope this helps clear up any misunderstanding on the warrior's way of testing... I do think we have now got 2 good methods of play now which are proving to be superior than the flatbetting or the original progression examples at the start of this thread.

Warrior's slower but safer way
Kattila's more aggressive way  

Thanks everybody so far for your patience, cooperation and continuing interest in this topic

A.

[Twisteruk]

@Atlantis + warrior

Warriors way is to use equal unit value on the additional lines 2 and 5 and use progression:
1-1,2-2,3-3,STOP

When you say STOP is that stop at 3 or stop betting until VW and resume at 1 or other ?


Thanx 

[Twisteruk]

I just tried the System with warriors addition of DS 2+5 and with Katts progression

+36u in 14 spins

DD 30

Only 14 spins as the Casino crashed 


Will test some more usin this Method and Staking Plan 

[Kattila]

Another session

15  BO  bet  B 1u  each DS
28  BE  L1  -2    bet  A  2u
27  RO  L2  -6    bet A  3u
34  RE  w   +6   bet B  4u
19  RO  w  +22  bet A  5u
33  BO  w  +42  bet B  3u(because at 3 :  -2u)
0          L1  +36  bet B 4u
4    BE   w  +52  bet A  5u
2    BE  L1  +42  no bet
25  RO                bet A  6u
6    BE  L2  +30  bet A  7u
7    RO  L3  +16  bet A  5u
20  BE  L1  +6    bet A  6u
16  RE  w   +30  bet B  7u
29  BO  L1  +16  bet B  8u
16  RE  L2     0    bet B  9u
2    BE  w   +36   bet A  10u
15  BO  w  +76   bet B  11u
21  RO  w  +120 bet A   9u
26  BE  L1  +102 bet A  10u
24  BE  L2  +82   no bet
4    BE                 no bet
24  BE                 no bet
21  RO                 bet  A  11u
34  RE   w  +126 bet  B  12u
23  RO  w  + 174


End session at +174 

[Kattila]

Another short session
See is important after L1L2L3 twice (even if is an w between),
to Stop and play virtual until appear trigger w.

24  BE  bet A  1u on each Ds
25  RO  L1  -2   bet A  2u
17  BO  w  +6   bet B  3u
34  RE  L1   0    bet B  4u
33  BO  L2 -8    bet B  5u
30  RE  L3  -18  bet B  3u
5    BO  w  -6    bet B  4u
17  BO  L1  -14  no bet
10  BE                bet A  5u
7    RO  L2  -24  bet A  6u
23  RO  L3  -36  no bet , wait wirtual win (twice L1L2L3 close enough)
16  RE               bet B
12  RE   L1         no bet
20  BE                bet A 
28  BE  L2           no bet
12  RE                bet B 
36  RE  L3          no bet
18  RE                bet B 
36  RE  L1           no bet
24  BE                 bet A
9    RO  L2           bet A
36  RE  w  trigger    bet B  4u
3    RO  w  -20     bet A  5u
13  BO  w    0      bet B  3u
24  BE  w  +12    bet A  4u 
22  BE  L1  +4      no bet
6    BE                  no bet
6    BE                  no bet
30  RE                  bet  B  5u
5    RO  w  +20   

End session