• Welcome to #1 Roulette Forum & Message Board | www.RouletteForum.cc.

News:

The only way to beat roulette is by increasing accuracy of predictions (changing the odds). This is possible on many real wheels.

Main Menu
Popular pages:

Roulette System

The Roulette Systems That Really Work

Roulette Computers

Hidden Electronics That Predict Spins

Roulette Strategy

Why Roulette Betting Strategies Lose

Roulette System

The Honest Live Online Roulette Casinos

Betvoyager

Started by Green Meanie, Jan 15, 11:18 AM 2014

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Green Meanie

I was attracted to Betvoyager, because of their no 0 roulette. As well as consistantly losing, I have noticed several discrepancies between my actual winnings and my new bankroll balance. We are talking cents but it is happening a lot over time, so mounts up.
And there is also a principle involve.

I have done a short session this afternoon and started taking notes.

Balance at start of note taking

189.86
-0.4
+0.6
New total
190.05 Should be 190.06
+0.2
+0.2
+0.2
+0.2
+0.2
New total
191.05 Should be 191.06
-0.4
-1.2
-2.0
+1.4
-2.4
-3.2
+1.8
+1.7
-3.2
+20
-3.6
+2.4
+2.2
+2.0
+1.8
+1.6
New total
191.92 Should be 191.96.

This is in addition to the 10% commission they take after every winning session.

On this occasion, the discrepancy is only 0.04 but it has been happening frequently over a period of time. They are taking money they are not entitled to, in the hope I won't notice. The word for that is theft. People who carry out theft, are called thieves.

I have sent  their support desk e- mails but so far, they have not come back with an explanation

ati

Yeah they steal. I noticed this long time ago at the no zero tables. I don't know when exactly it happens, but you can try betting 1.2 euro on two dozens, and your winnings will be 1.19.
Works in demo play too.

Azim

Quote from: ati on Jan 15, 02:07 PM 2014
Yeah they steal. I noticed this long time ago at the no zero tables. I don't know when exactly it happens, but you can try betting 1.2 euro on two dozens, and your winnings will be 1.19.
Works in demo play too.

Sounds like they taking 1% rate on a hit instead of the balance when you leave the table.
With right tools and good money management, any gambling activity can produce a steady income.

ati

No, they take the 10% when you leave. This other thing is always 1 cent, and does not happen every time. For example if you try the same bet with 1 euro, you will win 1. That's why I used 1.2 in the example.

ausguy

A 1% hit rate doesn't tally as the *net* NEW TOTALS given won't balance ? = 20cents, $1.00 & 90cents which calcs to 1% of 20c. = 0.2cents rnd up = 1c,  & 1% of $1.00 = 1cent but 1% of 90cents = 0.9 of a cent which doesn't fit with the 4 cent deduction at the final 191.92 vs 191.96 given amounts. Because we are dealing with rather small parts of a dollar here it's somewhat difficult to get a true indication of what BV is doing with all this ?

It seems to me to maybe be a bet line tax on top of BV's 10% rake off, maybe from/for the Netherlands Antilles Island Govt. there in the Caribbean where BV is licensed ? Nothing related to a tax is readily obvious in the Terms & Conditions (T & C's) or the bet rules terms (BRT). Come to think of it, Goverment taxes don't seem to figure in any casinos T & C's etc. anywhere ?

In BV's Bet Rules & Terms BRT they talk of 1 cent being the minimum chargeable amount on transactions & *rounded to the nearest cent (*my assumption).  So based on that fact & a 1/400th of a dollar tax per line (or close to it). We then have bet lines to New totals of 2 lines, 5 lines & 16 lines. So 2 lines is 2/400th of $1.00 rounded up to 1 cent. 5 lines at 5/400th of $1.00 rounded up to 1 cent & 16 lines is 16/400th of 90cents  = 3.6 cents rnd up = 4 cents.

In play the game program for a players a/c balance may internally go to 4 or more decimal places ? As the game progresses it clicks over & makes a deduction as the value gets past 1/2 the "levee" value. It may be interactive to a players game speed & the number of other players on line. Say there is a couple of hundred players spinning every 10 seconds that's a lot of processing. It might queue your bets & that may be why the deductions come at uneven intervals ?

This will also fit ati's 2 dozens 1.2 Euro single bet line as the deduction is (using 120 Euro cents if there's such an animal ? I'm not up to speed on the coins of 1 Euro ?) as 1/400th of 120 Euro cents = 0.30 of 1 Euro cent, rounded up to 1 Euro cent = 0.01 Euro.  1.20 - 0.01 = 1.19. As BV maintains the 10% across the board currency rake off then it's fairly certain to be the same with various currencies for these annoying small a/c balance nibbles ? 

If lots more bet line amounts were given & calcs tallied with what I've worked out above then it's almost certain that a line tax or levee is being applied ?

ausguy

GM - I've just looked at BV's contact methods, either phone or email but NIL live 24/7 customer service chat ? BV seems to be the only on line casino that has it like this ?

As you've found out, losing your cool, doesn't get you very far. Perhaps a different approach would be more effective ? Maybe something along the lines of your in a gambling forum (give a link to this thread so they can look at it themselves) & a discussion is taking place about constant small deductions as betting progresses etc. etc. ? Generally businesses are more likely to respond when discussions involve exposure on social media sites? As BV would be geared towards projecting a good image.

I also note they have a number of different departments, I take it you have been contacting their finance section ?

While on BV's site (I don't have an a/c with them) I had a look at their house edge comparison chart, it was interesting that in most cases that their TAKE %'s claims were a lot less (GROSS) than other casinos. This was without their 10 % rake off.

TwoCatSam

OK, I don't own stock in BV, but I play there a lot with the ExcelBot.  That robot does it's own calculations of wins and losses and I find it very rare to find a discrepancy between what the bot says and BV says.  And even then I don't know for sure who made the error:  The bot or BV.

I do know this:  BV has this strange thing where it takes money off instead of putting it on.  You must make sure your coin is glowing or pulsating before you bet.  If you click on the mouse outside the felt, it will then remove coins.

That's everything I know.

Sam
If dogs don't go to heaven, when I die I want to go where dogs go.  ...Will Rogers

superman

QuoteI don't own stock in BV

Me niether.

QuoteI find it very rare to find a discrepancy

But it DOES happen, it's because they use too many decimal places so at some point they round DOWN, I've seen it a few times, but not often enought o be upset about it.

QuoteYou must make sure your coin is glowing or pulsating before you bet.  If you click on the mouse outside the felt, it will then remove coins

True that Sam.

I play, and win, there a lot on the no zero game, just make sure you win your target PLUS 10 - 15% as easy as that.
There's only one way forward, follow random, don't fight with it!

Ignore a thread/topic that mentions 'stop loss', 'virtual loss' and also when a list is provided of a progression, mechanical does NOT work!

Drazen

That 20 stash was quite brave   :thumbsup:


Drazen

-