Le_chiffre's 20,000 unit challenge

[Steve]

GLC, are you playing on RNG roulette or real wheels?

[GLC]

GLC, are you playing on RNG roulette or real wheels?

When I get the time, I play on an airball machine at one of the local Indian casinos; double zero.

I also have access to a video roulette game at the other Indian Casino.  Also double zero.

Both have a $1 minimum bet with quarter increments up to $20 maximum bet.

Other than that, I just test on sites like Betvoyager, single zero.

[GLC]

Gordon my friend,

Here's a double dozen progression that I think has just enough risk vs grind to make it potentially playable.

1 2 3 4 5 7 10 14 19 26 36 50 etc...

From 5 on we just add the 4th number back to the last number to create our progression.  With a large bank, this thing might never lose ....

Move one step to the right on a loss.  Move one step to the left after two wins, then 1 step to the left after 1 win, then 1 step to the left after 2 wins, then 1 step to the left after 1 win, etc...  You will reach a new profit before you get back to 1-1.

Let's say we just lost 1-1; 2-2; 3-3; 4-4; 5-5; 7-7; 10-10.  That's a total of -64 units.  Our next bet is 14-14.  If we win twice that will be 64-28= -36.  Bet 10-10 once for a win of 10 and we have -36+10 = -26.  Bet 7-7 twice for a win of 14 and we have -26 + 14 = -12.  Bet 5-5 once for a win of 5 and we have -12 + 5 = -7.  Bet 4-4 twice for a win of 8 and we have -7 + 8 = +1.  Reset to 1-1.  We have 7 losses vs 8 wins.  Normal ratio is 7 losses vs 14 wins.

This method gives us a reasonable chance to recover while staying well under the normal win vs loss ratio.  If you wanted to recover even quicker, you could win 2 times before moving 1 step to the left.

We're just trying to get the bet size down as soon as possible before we go into another losing streak.

GLC

This continues to be an impressive progression method.  I do want to change one thing. "then 1 step to the left after 2 wins,"  this isn't necessary every other step back down.  If we win 2 times after the last loss and then take 1 step back down the progression, we can continue to take 1 step down after every win instead of needing 2 wins every other time.

If we lose 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, 4-4, 5-5, 7-7 we will be down -44 units.  If we win our next bet twice 10-10 = +10 times 2 = +20.  -44+20= -24.  If we win at 7-7 that's -24+7 = -14 then +5 = -9 then +4 = -5 then + 3 = -2 then + 2 = 0.  This is not quite as aggressive as the original idea, but it works well because rarely do we lose 6 in a row.  When we lose then win then lose then win then win, we are a little ahead of the game.  That's because if we have LLLLLL we will be -44 per above and 10-10 will be our next bet.  But if we have LLWLWLWLWLW if goes like the following

1-1 lose = -2
2-2 lose = -6
3-3 win = -3
3-3 lose = -9
4-4 win = -5
4-4 lose = -13
5-5 win = -8
5-5 lose = -18
7-7 win = -11
7-7 lose = -25  At this point of losing at our 7-7 bet above we were at -44.  So we can see that after a double win at 10-10, we're only going to be -5 units.  We can make a conscious decision here to drop as far back as 3-3 if we want.  A win at 3-3 and 2-2 will break us even and we can start another attack at 1-1.

For all of you who like to play double dozens, this is worth looking at.  I can't think of a better/easier progression to play double dozens with.

Nothing's foolproof, but if you aren't playing to fully recover on 1 hit within say 5 or 6 where only a martingale type progression will work, this is pretty safe.  6 steps in a double dozen martingale is 1-1; 3-3;9-9;27-27;81-81;243-243.  I admit that losing 6 times in a row is rare playing double dozens, but it does happen.  When it does, you take a 731 unit hit.  With my progression, if you lose 6 times in a row, you're only down 44 units.

What?  Forty-four units vs seven-hundred-thirty-one units?

[GLC]

Here's my penthouse method for double dozens.  Always play until you are at least +1 or more.

Start by writing down your first bet:  1 1

If you win, +1.  Put it in profits.

If you lose, you move up one level : 1 1 2 2

If you win you cross circle the 2 2 and cross off the closest number to the left of your current circled bet.  In this case it is the second 1.
(Since I don't know how to circle a number, I will underline the wins and cross off the other number.)

Our line would now look like 1 1 2 2.  We are not at +1 so we make another bet in this line.
Here's a rule, if you only have 1 of a pair, as in this case, you bet that level again.  But if you have 2 of a pair, you bet the next higher level.

Our line would now look like this: 1 1 2 2 1 1

Let's say we lose: 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2

Let's say we win next:  1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3

Since I only have a single 2, my next bet is 2 2:   1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2

Let's say we lose again: 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 3

Our next bet is 4 4:  1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 3 4 4

IF we win:  1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 3 4 4

Because we only have one 3 we bet 3 3:   1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 3 4 4

If we win: 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 3 4 4 3 3

Because we have three 2's that aren't underlined or crossed off, we bet 3 3 again:
1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 3 4 4 3 3 3 3

If we win again: 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 3 3 2 2 3 3 4 4 3 3 3 3

We can always calculate how we're doing by adding together the units that are circle and divide by 2 and subtract all numbers that aren't underlined or circled.

In this example we're at +15 -18 = -3 so we would still need to continue per the rules until we were at +1 or more.


The penthouse line is one of my favorite bet progression methods because it can be adjusted for a more aggressive or less aggressive attack.  Also, you rarely have to cross off all non-circled numbers to reach +1.  As a matter of fact, if you lose 3 or more times in your line, you'll reach +1 before you get back to the first loss that started the line.

You can get into a real battle and it can take some time to resolve the line.

Give it a test drive and see what you think.

GLC

[GLC]

Le_Chiffre,

Here's a simple trot for double dozens and double columns at the same time.

We're going to bet the same dozens and columns every spin.  If you think you can improve on that selection method, go for it.

We use a separate progression on dozens and columns.

We begin with 1 unit on all 4 locations.

Ignore losses.  Our bet size remains the same after losses.

We only increase our bet when we get 2 wins in a row.  That's 2 wins in a row on the dozens to increase the dozens.  That's 2 wins in a row on the columns to increase the columns.  They move up the progression separately.  I say up, because we only increase our bet sizes until we're back to even or plus.  We never decrease our bet sizes until we re-set or our next bet size is large and we're only a few chips from being plus.  So, if we just won our 2nd bet of 22 units on dozens and we're at -3 units overall, rather than risk a losing sequence starting at 22 units, I'd drop down to 4 units on each spot and hope for +1 and re-set.

This is really a slightly modified Oscar's Grind on double dozens/columns.

Remember, we have to win 2 times back to back on dozens to increase and/or 2 wins back to back on columns to increase.  Naturally, if we get 2 wins back to back on both dozens and columns, we will increase on both.

Cheers

[rajucb12]

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