Live wheel dealer change every few spins.......??

[Chris555p]

Hi everyone

Does anyone know why some online live casinos change dealers every few minutes; every few spins.....?
Is it a new way of cheating.........??


Cheers

Chris

[iggiv]

i think that they may have spotted someone playing successfully dealer signature. Which casinos do u mean?

[Chris555p]

Hi Iggiv

Have a look at Fairways casino live Wheel. At times 2 dealers appear out of nowhere; so there are 3 dealers
available to spin the ball...lol;  One  dealer will spin the ball and then just go away......; At other time, a new dealer
may just spin the ball a few mins only; and another new one will come etc.....;  it is Very strange; it is the only casino
I notice this sort of things.....I just Wonder what's the reason for them to do this......?

[ausguy]

Chris - One possible conclusion I can see is that they are trying to put some winning player(s), (which no other player can see), off their game ?

Many players like consistency with their dealers i.e. they may leave the game when dealers chop & change like you mention ? Not that this prevents the player(s) from returning & continuing on their merry way ? Game management have access to the players bets info. & so can work out their play patterns ? Many things come into it that we as players can't see.

For example the player may have an Asian name & many of them believe a lot in lucky numbers, good omens & bad ones. I've seen it at my local chip casino. A table can be packed with Chinese players & the layout is a sea of chips. Then the dealer changes & suddenly there's none or 1 or 2 players there as most of them "decamp" to bet elsewhere. "New dealer bring bad luck" I heard one Asian player mutter in broken English once.

Sometimes at my local B & M casino I've seen dealers chop & change after 1 or 2 spins which seems like a break change overlap ? This was always quickly sorted by the pit boss as there was no apparent player at the table at that time winning any large amounts. So it just looks to be part of the operation with so many dealers going on breaks & rotating to different games, some mis understandings & overlaps of staff do occur every day.

Comparing Fairways (from what you say) to say Party Casino, at Party it's just a continuous 1/2 hour rotation cycle. I've never seen at any table anything else but the finished dealer out & the fresh dealer in.

For fairways how often do they change the dealer ? When do these 3 dealers etc. appear shift time change wise ? I don't know how they work their breaks ? Maybe x 3 different games/tables (90min) then a 1/2 hour break ? It would be unusual but always possible to have 1/2 stints but who knows ?

If you've had bets on at these multi dealer times have you still won or lost & think the multi dealer thing was the reason ?

[Chris555p]

Hi Ausguy

They seem to change dealers in a haphazard manner; very unpredicatble; At times 1 dealer may stay
for about 20 to 30 mins.....; At other times a dealer may pop out of nowhere to spin the ball, at other times
there may be 2 dealers appearing out of nowhere......lol lol. 

At times the dealer may stay for about 30 mins; at other times he/she may stay for less than 1 minute.

Cheers


Chris

[ausguy]

Chris - But do those dealer changes affect your bet results ?  Like are you disadvantaged in any $$$$$ losing bet ways ? Despite whoever spins the ball your odds of winning or losing are always the same.       

Perhaps you could give a little rundown on Fairway, such as where are they based ? What's the table limits ? What nationality are the dealers (at Party they are mostly Latvian). What's the spin cycles ? What's their graphics & general on screen presentation like ?

I assume Fairways is like most other live dealer casinos in that the bets close fairly near to the spin starting so VB & bot readers are of no value ?

If you are still getting OK results despite the irregular dealer changes I'd suggest you just try & concentrate on your plays & not worry too much about the different dealers.

It seems like the break patterns & the live dealer games on offer + the dealers roster don't phase properly ? Thus they get an excess of dealers sometimes ? Small delays may occur with the rostered fresh dealer doing some admin./training thing or whatever ? So to keep every game going the roster boss does a quick on the spot dealer shuffle & so you get those situations you experience. Players would be spitting CHIPS if there was no dealer there at all ?

Also some games (usually cards) only operate for part of a 24 hour day ? Award shift hours may mean they have too much dealer staff for some periods ?

To me while the dealer thing is a little quirky I just think that if you accept it & keep on keeping on with all should be fine.

Worst case scenario if you no like is for you to flick them.

[iggiv]

there is one more thing there. Their dealers work on all the tables, they are not just roulette or blackjack dealers, they are interchangeable. Maybe not all of them, but some of them for sure. If you pay attention you will see it.
So maybe that's a reason, they may have a few dealers which can be busy all the time, then let them have a rest. So for example they know that this or that dealer may be tired by now, so they change hem with a fresh one just in the middle of the usual cycle.
Or some dealer may be needed on another table because he can deal blackjack and roulette, but another one is trained for roulette only.
Something of a kind.

[Chris555p]

@ Ausguy, Iggiv I see what you mean; To me it does not make any difference whether
they change dealers very often or not......; If I have a bad run with a dealer I simply
quit and come back later on or another day. I noticed that dealer change do not affect
my overall results.

[Steve]

Fairway used to allow late betting. They changes it and call no more bets much earlier, I believe because of what my players did to them. That limited possibilities for roulette computers and similar methods. But there are other methods that work too, and frequent changing of dealers is another countermeasure, but it doesnt affect play if the player understands where the patterns come from. Always countermeasures tell you what actually works, but not always is a countermeasure effective protection for casinos.

One way or another, if you are detected, the casino will not allow your winnings to continue. It is their game, their rules. It is very important to win discretely.

One advantage of my players focusing at online casinos is they can share information about the same wheels. The downside is too many players attack the wheel and force the casino to make changes. Fairway is still ok but it is definitely harder to win at.

[GARNabby]

Always countermeasures tell you what actually works, but not always is a countermeasure effective

Casino countermeasures focus on their employees.  Though, it has this crazy side effect on the players.  Eg, blackjack has to be the most ridiculous way, in all respects, to try to eke out a living, but the game has flourished around the notion of really beating those ever-mysterious and darned casino countermeasures.

[Steve]

I think you meant casino surveillance. Countermeasures are for professional players, because they are to "counter" professional methods.

[Proofreaders2000]

Does anyone know why some online live casinos change dealers every few minutes

Technically it is not cheating if the ball makes four revolutions (I think this is correct.)

Even if there is suspicious activity it is hard to prove
(maybe if you had a videocamera record the spin in question)
Who would you complain to online?

Fairway is still ok but it is definitely harder to win at.-Steve H.

Who else is ok?

[Steve]

The wheel manufacturers recommend to casinos that the ball must do at least 4 revolutions. Casino staff will usually void all bets if the ball doesnt do 4+ revolutions.

Online casinos have terms where they can void bets, cancel accounts and refuse payouts if they SUSPECT a player has cheated somehow. Some casinos even can "legally" close an account and refuse payout if the player uses a "system". They cover all bases to prevent losses. Real casinos are a bit different but can still refuse entry for any reason.

There are many ok online casinos but I'd rather not name them because my players play in them. Its not hard to guess though

[Chris555p]

Thanks guys for all these useful info.

[GARNabby]

I think you meant casino surveillance. Countermeasures are for professional players, because they are to "counter" professional methods.

Actually, it's all about surveillance for the casinos.  I don't know who coined the term "countermeasure", (maybe the Richard Marcus'es and other scam surveillance lessons fear mongers) but I bet that it wasn't the casinos.

The casinos have rules for their employees, sometimes to do with the games but not always.  Eg, the ladies carry only clear plastic handbags to the tables.

Casinos well know that very few persons can wait around years for that small half a percent edge from extremely tiring blackjack play (and a couple years to get it right).  You have to be Down Syndrome (Rain Man) material, and even then they just ban you after a few thousand in (lucky?) winnings, (but cheat you first a few times first to be sure to get the most of it back).  Lol.