Kimo Li

[ddarko]

Maybe through his, but i have never seen him advertising anything here. He also helped many people for free. He also tried to help me as well without any fee.

Grrrr darn it, I re read my last post & was about to edit it, but you replied first. Sorry I mis read what you posted !!!!

My apologies !!!!!!

[iggiv]

no problem bud

[thelaw]

Maybe through his, but i have never seen him advertising anything here. He also helped many people for free. He also tried to help me as well without any fee.

So you accuse me of having something personal against him, and yet you actually have a personal relationship with him. I don't know what's going on here Iggiv, but you have now accused me of something for which you have a clear vested interest (personally learning from Kimo). This is absolutely inappropriate behavior from a Mod.

Iggiv, with all due respect, Kimo has never given more info than John Legend or Falkor ever did, and yet we know them to be scam artists.

I asked Kimo to prove his system in a fair way with full transparency that would only replicate something that he did before (providing predictions based on the last 12 numbers-he provided the link to this from the VLS forum) and he declined. Literally asking him to recreate the proof he presented before, but this time with actual transparency from a Spielbank, not just random numbers provided from another member.

This is Uri Gellar going on the Tonight Show and Carson presenting him with metal objects to bend. What happened? Uri couldn't do it because it was a hoax.

Where are all the winners using Kimo's strategy? Iggiv, are you winning with his tutoring?

[iggiv]

We are not in the court, i already told you. You have no right to demand such things. Who are you? Official investigator?
The man clearly did not promise anything, why the hell are you demanding proof? Who are you? Official inverstigator? I think you just try to troll and play on his nerves, and that's it.  Why you accuse him of being scam artist? What basis do you have?


I am not doing it out of personal relationship. I am doing it because what you do is unfair. Let's see what other Mods say.
I may be wrong, we'll see what they  say.

[thelaw]

We are not in the court, i already told you. You have no right to demand such things. Who are you? Official investigator?
The man clearly did not promise anything, why the hell are you demanding proof? Who are you? Official inverstigator? I think you just try to troll and play on his nerves, and that's it.  Why you accuse him of being scam artist? What basis do you have?


I am not doing it out of personal relationship. I am doing it because what you do is unfair. Let's see what other Mods say.
I may be wrong, we'll see what they  say.

First, I have never demanded anything from Kimo. I simply asked him to provide proof. How did that become such a radical and inappropriate request? 

Second, where would this forum be without proof? Imagine all of the ideas from Ignatus without the actual full detailed system. How much time would we waste down the rabbit hole of speculation?

Finally, I use the word "scam" because he is selling supportive information (charts, books, etc) detailing his bet selection without any proof of a working system. I would say the same thing if John Legend was selling "Pattern Breaker" charting sheets an any forum or website.

[iggiv]

What he does outside this forum is his business. The fact is he is not advertising it here. He just discusses roulette. You demand a proof.
What you say "ask" is actually looks like a demand. Then you use the word "scam". Then you use red colour to draw attention.
Then you are making innocent eyes like..."Oh, i never tried to discredit him, just a simple question".

The man already answered this question 100 times, he is not interested to give you a proof, actually he says it won't work for everyone, try it on you own risk. There is nothing wrong about it. But it's not enough for you. You want to repeat it over and over again to discredit him. I think you are a smart troll using dirty tricks.

[1eleven]

Marvin,
Also, what is your strike rate overall for either 6 or 12 numbers?

[thelaw]

What he does outside this forum is his business. The fact is he is not advertising it here. He just discusses roulette. You demand a proof.
What you say "ask" is actually looks like a demand. Then you use the word "scam". Then you use red colour to draw attention.
Then you are making innocent eyes like..."Oh, i never tried to discredit him, just a simple question".

The man already answered this question 100 times, he is not interested to give you a proof, actually he says it won't work for everyone, try it on you own risk. There is nothing wrong about it. But it's not enough for you. You want to repeat it over and over again to discredit him. I think you are a smart troll using dirty tricks.

So it really boils down to one statement that you just made : "he actually says that it won't work for everyone".

In the link that Kimo himself provided, he presented proof from knowing the previous 12 numbers. How is this something that could not work for everyone?

I could understand if he said that not everyone would put in the time and practice to learn it, but his (your) claim is much more vague. I think the technical term is Invisible Compromise.

What if I said that I had a workable Martingale, but it wouldn't work for everyone? Perhaps "Pattern Breaker" just didn't work for those on this forum, but was very successful for others.

Kimo Li's book came out in 2005; that's 10 years ago. Where are all of winners from this method?

When is the last time anyone has presented proof of a working method/system to beat the game?

[iggiv]

it's the same song all over again. His book does not represent a method. Did you actually read it? You just repeat it over and over again.


OK, let's see what other mods think about it. I am pretty tired with you already. I imagine how Kimo is.

[1eleven]

iggiv,
I'm not taking sides here but Kimo Li has made some pretty big claims and has said he often leaves 'clues' that point people in a direction.  Possibly, a very misleading direction. Without forums, no one would be discussing Kimo Li bc we know he does not make much selling books and well, just look at those reviews.  What he does here, helping or not, IS advertising. Plain and simple.  Does his 'strategy' work?  I have no idea.  I do know what I have seen does not work and falls in line with probability. And I've seen more than most.  Honestly, I believe Kimo Li thinks what he knows works consistently. He claims to have a multitude of Holy Grails (his words). He also claims to demonstrate success once a month.  My guess is this... he makes more from the percentage of his students/members play which eliminates most of his risk.  Brilliant and good for him in the long run.

Let's all get back to the aim of this forum - beating a game we love.  Maybe, just maybe, we could all win.

[thelaw]

it's the same song all over again. His book does not represent a method. Did you actually read it? You just repeat it over and over again.


OK, let's see what other mods think about it. I am pretty tired with you already. I imagine how Kimo is.

I agree. Please take this to the other Mods. This is no longer productive for the forum.

[iggiv]

Amen.

Let's get back to roulette and stop arguing "advertising--not advertising". I know what advertising is. I know how scammers look for their
suckers. So...Stop discussing those questions and let's get back to actual methods. Here Kimo Li's  info can be useful for someone. And whoever finds it not useful for himself, so what? Just stay aside...There is at least no harm to anyone if he is answering questions.

[Kimo Li]

Hi all,

RouletteGhost started this thread. I replied because some people were saying things that were untrue, posting defamation statements about my character.
One of my students, who views this thread, said to me why do I waste my time, something to that effect. My response was, "sometimes there's just not enough rocks", phrase from the movie, Forrest Gump.

What keeps me positive are the people who pursue roulette with great passion, willing to ask the right questions. Marvin, for example, who is not a student of mine, posted a spreadsheet showing you his results. People are asking. It appears he is not quick to answer because I believe he has worked really hard for a long time to give it out so easily.

He definitely paid his dues. The light came on for him.

So in light of what is going on, I had asked a Mod to collaborate with other Mods to find a solution. I suggested to lock this thread.

Kimo Li

[iggiv]

I did not want to lock this thread hoping that it will come back to productive ways. But then thelaw started his sarcastic comments again. He just can't stop. OK, i agree now and lock the thread. I deleted his remark. Damn, some people just enjoy being pain in the butt.
I suggest to people who still want to discuss roulette to start a new thread and remove from it whatever is disturbing for actual method discussion.