Vaddis Holy Grail

[Mako]

  352 spins

+388 units

Not bad strike rate

Looks like the expected probability for the entire bet to lose a single attempt  equals 27.2% (1-1-1-1-2-2 progression, applied to 2/4/6/8/10/12 total numbers bet).

So if your loss rate is lower than that over an extended period of time, you're doing well. 

[buffalowizard]

Wiesbaden casino, Table 3,.. 01.02.2019

Interesting and certainly a tougher day here. However you will notice that there is no huge drawdowns and it hits +100 a couple of times, so ample room to exit with profit at many different stages. Still liking this one
       
8
32
4       
33       
7            bet 7,8
28        7,8,28,29
31        7,8,28,29,31,32
25          7,8,28,29,31,32,25,26
8        WIN +34
12
36
8       
26       
2       
0           BET 36,0
23           36,0,23,24
--   --   --
0           WIN +68
5
27
17       
19
35       
28       
6         BET 5,6
19            5,6,19,20
14           5,6,19,20,14,15
21           5,6,19,20,14,15,21,22
18            5,6,19,20,14,15,21,22,18,19
24        5,6,19,20,14,15,21,22,18,19,24,25
35        LOSS - 0
11       
10        BET 10,11
--   --   --
29        10,11,29,30
21            10,11,29,30,21,22
11        WIN +8
9
32
32
31        BET 31,32
24        31,32,24,25
33        31,32,24,25,33,34
30           31,32,24,25,33,34,30,29
10        31,32,24,25,33,34,30,29,10,11
20        31,32,24,25,33,34,30,29,10,11,20,21
17        LOSS -56
8       
26       
24       
18
--   --   --
0   
28       
6       
14
12
34
21
26       
9              BET 8,9
31        8,9,31,32
28        8,9,31,32,28,29
12          8,9,31,32,28,29,12,13
7             8,9,31,32,28,29,12,13,7,8
14          8,9,31,32,28,29,12,13,7,8,14,15
15        WIN -32
22       
20       
23           BET 22,23
11        22,23,11,12
4        22,23,11,12,4,5
--   --   --
35        22,23,11,12,4,5,35,36
23           WIN +2
36
16
20       
36
28       
20       
32
22       
10       
35        BET 35,36
0           35,36,0,1
11        35,36,0,1,11,12
0           WIN +10
16
23
27
17        BET 16,17
--   --   --
12            16,17,12,13
11        16,17,12,13,11,10
31        16,17,12,13,11,10,31,32
33        16,17,12,13,11,10,31,32,33,34
11        WIN +34
12
16
31       
24       
2       
9
--   --   --
23                      BET 23,24
34                      23,24,34,35
13                23,24,34,35,13,14
21                   23,24,34,35,13,14,21,22
28             23,24,34,35,13,14,21,22,28,29
21                   WIN +58
23
4       
29       
14
10       
5                   BET 4,5
36                4,5,36,0
36               WIN +92
31       
12
--   --   --
1
21
32                  BET 31,32
32                 WIN +108
31       
11       
18
5
28       
34
11       
29            BET 28,29
13            28,29,13,14
--   --   --
35            28,29,13,14,35,36
5                 28,29,13,14,35,36,5,6
7                28,29,13,14,35,36,5,6,7,8
25              28,29,13,14,35,36,5,6,7,8,25,26
15          LOSS +44
29       
18
20       
6       
28           BET 28,29
--   --   --
23              28,29,23,24
4          28,29,23,24,4,5
23             WIN +52
33       
15       
30
16              BET 15,16
14              15,16,14,13
19              15,16,14,13,19,20
36              15,16,14,13,19,20,36,0
23              15,16,14,13,19,20,36,0,23,24
25              15,16,14,13,19,20,36,0,23,24,25,26
35           LOSS  -12
14
8       
17       
--   --   --
21
4       
15           BET 14,15
23              14,15,23,24
25              14,15,23,24,25,26
20          14,15,23,24,25,26,20,21
13          14,15,23,24,25,26,20,21,13,12
7                14,15,23,24,25,26,20,21,13,12,7,8
25             WIN +12
14
3
11       
25
36
9
1
--   --   --
30
18
27
7
25
17        BET 17,18
9              17,18,9,10
33        17,18,9,10,33,34
31        17,18,9,10,33,34,31,32
8        17,18,9,10,33,34,31,32,8,7
10        WIN +36
18
27
11       
15       
22       
18
--   --   --
29       
7
29       
2       
17        BET 17,18
4        17,18,4,5
29        17,18,4,5,29,30
--   --   --
33        17,18,4,5,29,30,33,34
25           17,18,4,5,29,30,33,34,25,26
17        WIN +60
34
9
6       
17       
18            BET 17,18
--   --   --
5             17,18,5,6
4        17,18,5,6,4,3
10        17,18,5,6,4,3,10,11
21           17,18,5,6,4,3,10,11,21,22
34           17,18,5,6,4,3,10,11,21,22,34,35
12           LOSS  -4
34
16
32
0   
18
--   --   --
21
15            BET 15,16
2          15,16,2,3
4           15,16,2,3,4,5
--   --   --
27              15,16,2,3,4,5,27,28
5                WIN +30
24       
33       
32               BET 32,33
9                 32,33,9,10
27               32,33,9,10,27,28
11           32,33,9,10,27,28,11,12
24           32,33,9,10,27,28,11,12,24,25
20          32,33,9,10,27,28,11,12,24,25,20,21
32              WIN +54
27
20       
5
24       
29       
27
19                     BET 19,20
19                   WIN +70
0   
0   
15       
2       
--   --   --
13       
20       
16                  BET 15,16
35           15,16,35,36
23               15,16,35,36,23,24
20           15,16,35,36,23,24,20,21
15           WIN  +104
35       
22       
22       
26       
33       
34            BET 34,35
11         34,35,11,12
--   --   --
29        34,35,11,12,29,30
7             34,35,11,12,29,30,7,8
5             34,35,11,12,29,30,7,8,5,6
18          34,35,11,12,29,30,7,8,5,6,18,19
3            LOSS +40
25
23
5
30
23
4          BET 4,5
17        4,5,17,18
6        4,5,17,18,6,7
7             WIN +48
1
2        BET 1,2
21           1,2,21,22
23           1,2,21,22,23,24
22        WIN +56
12
--   --   --
3
5
19
26       
24       

[buffalowizard]

Looks like the expected probability for the entire bet to lose a single attempt  equals 27.2% (1-1-1-1-2-2 progression, applied to 2/4/6/8/10/12 total numbers bet).

So if your loss rate is lower than that over an extended period of time, you're doing well. 

Only one way to find out!

[buffalowizard]

Wiesbaden, Table 2...01.02.2019

Last test tonight. An easier ride, let's hope this is more the norm! And remember, in this session there are lots of wins on the 3rd attempt, which only gives a profit of +8 - making the end profit all the more impressive.

34
10       
5
30
10       
15       
10       
29    BET 29,30   
31        29,30,31,32
3             29,30,31,32,3,4
4        WIN +8
0   
28       
6       
12
0   
30
33       
6       
4       
10       
0   
21
--   --   --
10       
28       
8       
21
32             BET 32,33
24        32,33,24,25
6        32,33,24,25,6,7
4        32,33,24,25,6,7,4,5
4        WIN +42
11       
17       
24       
17       
3
4        BET 3,4
5              3,4,5,6
1              3,4,5,6,1,2
3             WIN +50
31       
14
9
--   --   --
--   --   --
32            BET 31,32
25            31,32,25,26
21            31,32,25,26,21,22
21           WIN +58
5
26       
15       
--   --   --
10       
14             BET 14,15
1               14,15,1,2
31         14,15,1,2,31,32
14             WIN  +66
28       
33       
2       
12
23
19
6       
7                 BET 6,7
16              6,7,16,17
29          6,7,16,17,29,30
12             6,7,16,17,29,30,12,13
22         6,7,16,17,29,30,12,13,22,23
33        6,7,16,17,29,30,12,13,22,23,33,34
12           WIN +90
23
26       
25                 BET 25,26
3                    25,26,3,4
14                25,26,3,4,14,15
2              25,26,3,4,14,15,2,1
24             25,26,3,4,14,15,2,1,24,25
14               WIN  +114
11       
18
1
--   --   --
26       
11       
17           BET 17,18
35          17,18,35,36
24           17,18,35,36,24,25
31          17,18,35,36,24,25,31,32
1                 17,18,35,36,24,25,31,32,1,2
5                  17,18,35,36,24,25,31,32,1,2,5,6
--   --   --
7                  LOSS  +50
6       
16
2       
6       
27
27
26           BET 26,27
11           26,27,11,12
0               26,27,11,12,0,1
--   --   --
11           WIN +58
21
19
35       
32
16
25
8       
8       
7                    BET 7,8
23                  7,8,23,24
23                   WIN +92
--   --   --
14
25
0   
17       
16               BET 16,17
3                  16,17,3,4
32                16,17,3,4,32,33
16                WIN  +100
18
20       
26       
3
24       
30
18
20       
20       
3
26       
26       
--   --   --
18
12
21                 BET 21,22
32                21,22,32,33
21                 WIN  +134
31       
24       
7
33       
--   --   --
17       
18               BET 17,18
21               17,18,21,22
26           17,18,21,22,26,27
26          WIN  +142
28       
13       
16
31       
23
29              BET 28,29
6              28,29,6,7
4             28,29,6,7,4,5
--   --   --
10             28,29,6,7,4,5,10,11
5                WIN +176
36
8       
36
23
19
33       
25
20       
22          BET 22,23
8          22,23,8,9
7               22,23,8,9,7,6
7                 WIN  +184
16
15        BET 15,16
13        15,16,13,14
20        15,16,13,14,20,21
24        15,16,13,14,20,21,24,25
18            15,16,13,14,20,21,24,25,18,19
--   --   --
20         WIN +208

[nichedelico]

Guys tell me if this is a rilevant or common thing, if it's not common i can explain and if someone want to test. On roulette pro rng, from 96 euro to 404 in 2 session, with 50 cent base bet (1eur on split), 12 numbers covered, 4 the doubles, 4 singles(pair) and 4 my idea for the 1% analysing 4 numbers and reading what Vaddi said about the disposition of numbers on the wheel from the inventor of the game, and the balance on the table. It can be luck?

[Bigbroben]

So you did win (404-96)/0.50 base units, so 616units in 2 sessions?

How many spins total?
Yes it can be luck.

Or your 1% is the yeast that makes it rise.

[nichedelico]

So you did win (404-96)/0.50 base units, so 616units in 2 sessions?

How many spins total?
Yes it can be luck.

Or your 1% is the yeast that makes it rise.

I forgot to say is fun mode, but with rng fun mode failed also a lot of time with other methods , maybe it's different i don't know, but yes start from 96 to 404, the goal is 1000 euro, maybe it's better talk if i reach the target? Can we talk about no luck if i reach that? Or not? Just for superstition lol. I don't know how many spins Bigbroben , 2 session 40 minutes each i think, with slow game, and - 70 eur was the max risk of the bankroll

[Proofreaders2000]

Interesting observtion Nichedelico.  I use fun mode RNG for ideas too 

Vaddi kept stressing the repeats (two hits or more). 

Looking at numbers, I noticed if you have three
repeat singles one of those will hit usually within 12 spins.

[Sparks]

Looks like the expected probability for the entire bet to lose a single attempt  equals 27.2% (1-1-1-1-2-2 progression, applied to 2/4/6/8/10/12 total numbers bet).

So if your loss rate is lower than that over an extended period of time, you're doing well. 

Thanks for the info Mako. Nice to have that insight 

[Proofreaders2000]

New idea

Note the newest outcome.  What is the Vaddi Pair?

Bet the pair's natural split once.

Example: #3 (newest spin-value)

Bet 1/4 once.

Example two: #24 (newest spin-value)

Bet 25/28 once.

Stop on a win or after 18 consecutive misses.

*If #36 shows bet 32/35 once.

[Irish88]

I have gone back and forth debating about the pair numbers and if it's related to the table or the wheel. I was reading the 37 back to basics thread and believe it can be very useful. Even yesterday I was thinking in terms of table pairs. Once a table pair hits, that is a double. What do we know? A double will eventually become a triple. Can a double be interpreted in different ways?  Is a double a repeat? Is it a table pair? Maybe someone else can read the first two pages of the thread and give their opinion.

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20411.0

Vaddi is mentioned in the thread often as is this

24/8=3

What do we know, 24 numbers avg in a 37 spin cycle. So just for fun I was testing on RS this morning. With each spin out I played their two wheel neighbors. For example

7= 11,7,20
Next spin is 1= 13,1,00
And so on

I did 110 spins flatbet +400 units. The farthest it got was 6 spins before a win. Maybe this is the law of the third? 8 unique 3 number sections of the wheel equaling 24 numbers. I don't know. I am just throwing it out there.

[Sparks]

I have gone back and forth debating about the pair numbers and if it's related to the table or the wheel. I was reading the 37 back to basics thread and believe it can be very useful. Even yesterday I was thinking in terms of table pairs. Once a table pair hits, that is a double. What do we know? A double will eventually become a triple. Can a double be interpreted in different ways?  Is a doule a repeat? Is it a table pair? Maybe someone else can read the first two pages of the thread and give their opinion.

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20411.0

Vaddi is mentioned in the thread often as is this

24/8=3

What do we know, 24 numbers avg in a 37 spin cycle. So just for fun I was testing on RS this morning. With each spin out I played their two wheel neighbors. For example

7= 11,7,20
Next spin is 1= 13,1,00
And so on

I did 110 spins flatbet +400 units. The farthest it got was 6 spins before a win. Maybe this is the law of the third? 8 unique 3 number sections of the wheel equaling 24 numbers. I don't know. I am just throwing it out there.

Did you just bet the wheel neighbours eaxh spin or did you keep the previous bet numbers from a loss?

[Irish88]

I kept each number that came out and their two wheel neighbors, added 3 numbers on a loss. Reset when a number hit. Furthest it went without a hit was 6 spins. 18 numbers. I never used a progression and got to +400 units in 110 spins.

[Elite]

seems something missing or system itself not worth.

24 numbers land
12 doubles land

2:1 ratio.

The factors 4 and 8

24 / 8 = 3
12 / 4 = 3

[Sparks]

I kept each number that came out and their two wheel neighbors, added 3 numbers on a loss. Reset when a number hit. Furthest it went without a hit was 6 spins. 18 numbers. I never used a progression and got to +400 units in 110 spins.

Sounds like it's definitely worth testing. But once you've lost 4 spins you're at a loss unless you progress. Do you stop at 4 losses and reset or keep going without a progression?