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Title: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 20, 03:35 AM 2015

anybody figured out the missing 1 %?


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Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 20, 04:30 AM 2015
at least we can discuss his clues and how to operate them...

he posted this pairings list:

0 | 1
1 | 2
2 | 3
3 | 4
4 | 5
5 | 6
6 | 7
7 | 8
8 | 9
9 | 10
10 | 11
11 | 12
12 | 13
13 | 14
14 | 15
15 | 16
16 | 17
17 | 18
18 | 19
19 | 20
20 | 21
21 | 22
22 | 23
23 | 24
24 | 25
25 | 26
26 | 27
27 | 28
28 | 29
29 | 30
30 | 31
31 | 32
32 | 33
33 | 34
34 | 35
35 | 36
36 | 0


and he says: if nr. 2 falls, you bet 2+3 according to this list...but that not match what he said before.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 07:06 AM 2015
Here's how I reckon the full system might work, but this still needs at least 1/2% of refinement. Perhaps we start with 2 chips on singles and 1 chip on doubles then switch to 1:2 singles/doubles near the end of the cycle? Right now I've kept the simulations at 1:1 chips whilst I figure out why certain sets ended in a negative at spin 37 based on the count.

Does anyone know if "Vaddi" was resident at this forum?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 20, 07:10 AM 2015
i searched all forums i am a member of...but this system wasnt discussed there...so i guess its new to everyone except the guys from mmm...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: petespin on Aug 20, 08:08 AM 2015
vaddi never expose his system in public ,not even in mmm forum , but gave some hints where i ve inspired to build my own system , iam sure this guy has the grail  ;D
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 20, 08:25 AM 2015
copying things together...

Ok ...

General guidelines and more tips:
========================

Let's assume that 10 is the maximum of numbers that you will bet on.

Stage 1) Begin single sequence to X numbers (where X represents the maximum numbers that you will bet on)

You enter casino and the number ...

13 has just dropped. Place your unit chip on it. (1 unit in total)

30 drops instead. Now place a unit on 13 and 30 (2 units total)

17 drops instead. Now place a unit on 13, 30, and 17 (3 units total)

13 drops. You win and make a profit.

Because you are in profit and because you have not reached your X number limit of 10, you will continue the process all over again, by placing a unit chip on your last dropped number, which is 13. You will continue this process of betting on every number that drops.

Now, as I've said, "The X number is important" and it's not 10 .

As another clue, I suggest that you create a stepping sequence (like above) wherein if you hit the last number in that sequence, you will break even.

If you use 10, you will have 10 numbers on the table if you reach your 10-number limit. And, if the ball lands on that last set of 10, you'll make a small loss and the funny thing is that 10 numbers doesn't improve accuracy over the lower, perfect X number.

Stage 2)

If you do not make a hit within the first stage, that means that you have bet X times on X numbers. That is 10 spins, 10 numbers, no hits.

So, you might have something like this:

36  (The last number dropped)
---
19  (part of your 10-number X group)
14  (part of your 10-number X group)
25  (part of your 10-number X group)
17  (part of your 10-number X group)
31  (part of your 10-number X group)
13  (part of your 10-number X group)
0    (part of your 10-number X group)
3    (part of your 10-number X group)
22  (part of your 10-number X group)
2   (part of your 10-number X group)

At this point, your set of 10 didn't come up. And the last number that landed is 36.

So, the idea is to bet on every number that the wheel spits out, but you want to always place a limit on how much you place on the table. Betting on 10 numbers is a waste, so find that magic X number.

From this point onward you will bet on 10 numbers (or the X number when you discover it).

But, this is what you do:

Knock the #2 off the bottom so that your new 10-set bet selection now becomes ...

36  (part of your new 10-number X group)
19  (part of your new 10-number X group)
14  (part of your new 10-number X group)
25  (part of your new 10-number X group)
17  (part of your new 10-number X group)
31  (part of your new 10-number X group)
13  (part of your new 10-number X group)
0    (part of your new 10-number X group)
3    (part of your new 10-number X group)
22  (part of your new 10-number X group)

If the next spin hits one of your X numbers, then great! But, you must check to see if you have increased your bankroll above what you started with at Stage 1.

If you are in profit above where your bankroll was when you started with at Stage 1, then go back to Stage 1 and place a unit chip on the last number that made you win.

If you are not in profit at this point in Stage 2, then continue playing your X-number blocks (in this example: 10) by knocking off the bottom number and adding the number that landed.

So, let's say #31 landed (you win) and your bankroll is below the level when you first placed your first single unit at Stage 1. In this case, ...

... you'll only bet on 9 numbers. ;) Why? You're following the pattern and spins of the wheel. The wheel is telling you that you're accurate so you need to lay out less on the table:

You're thinking in terms of number of numbers and number of spins.

So, we now have ...

31  (The last number dropped)
---
36  (part of your new 10-number X group)
19  (part of your new 10-number X group)
14  (part of your new 10-number X group)
25  (part of your new 10-number X group)
17  (part of your new 10-number X group)
31  (part of your new 10-number X group)
13  (part of your new 10-number X group)
0    (part of your new 10-number X group)
3    (part of your new 10-number X group)
22  (part of your new 10-number X group)

Looking at the 10 last spins, you now only need to bet on 9 by knocking off #22 and adding #31. But, of course, #31 is slap bang in the middle of your X number set (it's not at the bottom, where you would knock it off).

Of course, if you discover the X number, sometimes you end up betting on lower numbers than 9, while making hits.

Once your bankroll is in profit above what you started with at the first placing of your first-stage single chip, then start the first-stage single chip process all over again.

Another aspect you can observe and experiment with, is multiple 37-spin cycles, starting from Stage 1 + Stage 2, as described in this post.

All the best.

- Vaddi

P.S.: Should have added the following:

If you break even when one of your numbers hit, then go back and start Stage 1 all over again.

Which means, if at any stage ... let's say your bankroll was $1200 and it went down, and then you get a hit that takes you back to $1200, you would re-start Stage 1 and bet on the number that just hit.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 20, 08:49 AM 2015
all hints from vaddi:

Hints/Rules
1.   You need to make inside bets
2.   You MUST bet on a set of numbers that consist of less than 10 numbers. And please figure out that X number for long-term winning. (later he goes down between 9 and 6; I guess its 8)
3.   Those numbers that you select must be consistently selected from the top of the marquee; Your number set will change by one number each time a new number lands
4.   How do you make sure that you hit every single number that comes up on the roulette wheel?
5.   Think in terms of hits and what the roulette wheel MUST do: "It MUST hit repeats". But, how do the repeats perform in relation to the singles? For the most part: every 37 spin results in 24 hits = 14 singles + 10 doubles
6.   You don't even need pen and paper. Simply look at the first set of numbers on the marquee. With the GRAIL there is no need to think or analyze
7.   THIS IS ALL FLAT BETTING
8.   It's about how the singles and repeats fall.
9.   Look at the marquee and copy exactly what the wheel does.
10.   Remember, the wheel is recycling it's numbers for perfect balance.
11.   37-spin cycle
12.   You can start betting on your magic X numbers at ANY TIME. Look at the marquee and wait until there are NO REPEATS in your set of X numbers, then start betting on all those X numbers. Caching! :)
13.   It's all about balance. And if you read my above posts, that X number is a factor of a bigger number that I've quoted. And, if you were to create the lowest level progression out of X numbers, the last winning number of that progression would bring your bankroll back to break-even. :)
14.   1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 = 36 This must be the secret number
Yep, I see that little magic number that is smaller than 10. And, just look at how it's perfectly placed in relation to posts about break-even. That position is absolutely perfect in that sequence of numbers. Absolutely perfect. :)

Here's another thought: each 37-spin cycle is never the same, and each 37-spin cycle produces its own dominant numbers. That's why there is no such thing as hot numbers per se. :) Because all numbers eventually become "hot numbers" in their own respective 37-spin cycle, so as to maintain long-term equilibrium of all the numbers over time.
15.   The number is bigger than 6 and less than 9.
16.   If you are betting on 8 numbers and they are not hit, then you would remove the oldest number in your 8-set and add the number that just landed. So, you are changing your 8-number by one number after each wheel spin.

That means that each number of your 8-number set is placed 8 times on the table.

There are only two phases:

* 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 (stepped sequence)

* 8-blocks

For 8-blocks example: say you miss all 8 of ...

2
7
9
12
16
3
36
29

Let's say that the last number landed that missed your 8-set is 20.

Then your next 8-bet is ...

20
2
7
9
12
16
3
36

If you now get a hit on 12, your next 8-bet is ...

12
20
2
7
9
12
16
3

However, in this 8-set, you have the same #12, appearing twice, so you actually bet on ...

12, 20, 2, 7, 9, 16, 3 = 7 numbers

So, before you start playing, you look at your bankroll and make a note of the amount.

You begin at the beginning: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8. If you increase your bankroll or break even at this stage, you go back to the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 process and place a single bet on the last landed number that made you win or break even.

If you lose the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 process, you are then at the block stage as described previously:

2
7
9
12
16
3
36
29

etc.

Also, if you break even or increase your bankroll at the block stage in comparison to what your bankroll was at the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 stage, then go back to 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 where you will begin all over again by placing a single chip on the last landed number.

The 37-spin cycle is not of the greatest importance as such, because you can play the system for long period sessions. However, you should make a profit within 185 spins.

Also, for your own knowledge and understanding, it's a good idea to see how your bankroll performs every 37 spins (= 37 bets in terms of single and group bets) and up to the range of 185 spins (= 185 bets in terms of single and group bets).

Of course, 185 = 37 x (5 cycles)

I've played up to 296 spins (8 cycles) and discovered that doing so is a waste of time because better and faster profits are within 24 - 74 spins.

I would say keep the spins below 185 = (5 cycles). You don't have to go this far as a regular occurrence.

But, as you can appreciate, you need to test these things personally.

Hope that helps.

17.   What's the tiny 1 percent missing element?
18.   I've sent a PM to  Mr. X ... He knows who he is.

He might pose a question in the forum that I posed to him. = When you're playing roulette, what are the 3 basic states que a number can have?

1 - Out
2 - Not Out
3 – Repeat
19.   Roulette numbers have three states:

1. No hits (0)
2. Single hits (1)
3. Doubles + (2)

After a 37 spin cycle, this is what you'll typically see:

0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
3
3
3

In this case:

11 no-hits
12 singles
11 doubles +

Singles (12) and doubles (11) nearly 50 / 50. (in balance)

If doubles aren't dropping, that means singles are dropping.

And if singles aren't dropping, that means doubles are dropping.

Double-hit ranges:

7 numbers: hit range = 1 - 14 (14th spin hits 7th spin)
8 numbers: hit range = 1 - 15 (15th spin hits 8th spin)
9 numbers: hit range = 1 - 16 (16th spin hits 9th spin)
10 numbers: hit range = 1 - 17 (17th spin hits 10th spin)

You can't hit all the doubles all the time because -- depending on the magic number you choose -- the distance between say #20 dropping again, might be 25 spins later (outside the hit ranges above), but during that gap of 25 spins, singles are dropping like crazy, so how do you take advantage of the singles as well?

I was expecting a few veterans to figure out that the missing part of the puzzle is a way to bet that also capitalizes on balance by also thinking about singles, not just doubles.
20.   Always bear in mind that roulette is about balance.

You had one side: the doubles

To create balance, you now have the flip side / other side of the coin: the singles

The fundamentals of the grail have not changed. The betting method still stands, but there is one betting adjustment that must be made on the table to take advantage of those two sides at the very same time and to take advantage of balance.

When the wheel spits out doubles, you're there.

When the wheel spits out singles, you're there.
21.   When you solve the final part of the puzzle, you will realize that you have a balanced integrated system that impacts on ...

- Non-hits (sleepers) (0)
- Singles (1)
- Doubles + (Repeaters) (2)

And, of course: each round of 37 spins, begins with 37 sleepers.

But at the end of those 37 spins: the sleepers, singles, and repeaters are close in number of occurrences (give or take a difference of say... +1, or +2).
22.   If you're a keen observer of the roulette wheel as well as a close observer of the roulette table, you will realize that each number from 0 - 36 has a close-to-perfect pair-partner.

What's the perfect partner-pair for number 1? How would you determine it?

More head-scratching, eh?

Yep, the concept is all a part of the grail. ;)

Once again: roulette is all about balance.

If you don't think about balance, you're doomed.

Just thought that I'd throw that in for those who have already ditched losing projects and beginning to see the light. :)
23.   If you have been playing roulette for a while and the following are mentioned:

- Balance
- Wheel
- Partner (number)

Then surely, you must have an idea as to what I might be suggesting. If not, then I'm really surprised. :)
24.   Well, the very first set of posts focused heavily on the repeaters aspect, which is the foundation.

Then, towards the very end of my posts, I mention the clincher, which in my view required a tiny shift in thinking, in terms of how to also capture singles, not just repeats.

And, if you have a basic understanding of roulette, you will come to an inevitable conclusion on what you must do on the table.

So, a tiny shift in thinking that leads to a modified betting decision = my 1% :)

BTW: the 1% betting decision is a small one, but its impact is huge.

Hope that clarifies my perspective and clears up your apparent confusion. :)
25.   Throughout this thread I've said that balance is important. That is what roulette is all about really. That's why casinos have sophisticated software to constantly check that their wheels have no physical bias.

But, let's forget about bias / balance in general terms as it relates to roulette.

Have you figured out the magic number yet?

I've given strong clues about what that number is.

This magic number is the number that gives power to the whole system.

Without this number, you will not have enough power and balance for the system.

I won't go into the basic mathematics of this magic number, because it would just confuse some guys even more than they might already be.

Suffice it to say that I know why this number is so powerful in roulette. The casino can't escape it and the player can't escape it.

And, get this: it's the player's edge.

As I've said, I've given strong clues about that number.
26.   Do you know the relationship between singles and doubles / repeats after every 37 spins?
27.   In estimation, when do doubles / repeats start hitting the roulette wheel with regularity?

- At the beginning of 37 spins?
- Within the middle of 37 spins?
- Towards the end of 37 spins?
- Or none of the above?
28.   Think of roulette in these terms and no other:

24 numbers land
12 doubles land

2:1 ratio.

The factors 4 and 8

24 / 8 = 3
12 / 4 = 3

That's the basis for the grail.
29.   PS:

8 numbers for doubles + singles strategy?

or ...

only 4 numbers for doubles-only strategy?
30.   here are always 12 - 14 repeaters. :)

The repeaters are spread through random ranges.

The narrowest random repeater range is where, for example, the number 1 comes up two times in a row.

The widest repeater random range is where, for example, the first spin lands the number 1, but only repeats that number on spin 37.

As indicated above, the ranges contract and expand randomly for every 37-spin cycle; sometimes close together, sometimes far apart; sometimes close to perfect balance.

You need to find the ideal number of numbers to bet on that will take advantage of the random expansion and contraction between the repeaters.

If you bet on too many numbers, the wide random ranges will clobber you.

If you don't bet on enough numbers, you'll miss out on the close random ranges.

And the foundational principle is to follow what the wheel does, which is all explained in the thread.
31.   All the numbers in roulette are connected logically and consecutively.

Of course, the inventors of the game have made every effort to confuse the player by rearranging the numbers on the roulette wheel, but don't fall for this deception.

Here we go:
0/1
1 | 2
2 | 3
3 | 4
4 | 5
5 | 6
6 | 7
7 | 8
8 | 9
9 | 10
10 | 11
11 | 12
12 | 13
13 | 14
14 | 15
15 | 16
16 | 17
17 | 18
18 | 19
19 | 20
20 | 21
21 | 22
22 | 23
23 | 24
24 | 25
25 | 26
26 | 27
27 | 28
28 | 29
29 | 30
30 | 31
31 | 32
32 | 33
33 | 34
34 | 35
35 | 36
36/0

And for the zero, 0, that tries to mess up any balanced strategy, we have ...

0 | 1

The above pairings take care of your singles and doubles all at the same time. :)

Do you see the balancing guys?

Which means that if #2 lands, then you need to bet on #2 and #3 at the same time. Splits or single chip.

As above, always choose your pairings going forward.

However, what happens if #3 is already covered? In that case go backwards and cover #1 instead. That's because, as in the table above, #2 is also connected to #1.

To those guys who I haven't responded to yet, don't think that I'm ignoring you.

I've received quite a number of messages and I'm scratching my head trying to think how to manage the whole situation.

So, my apologies to those guys who are still waiting for a reply.

BTW, the PM system still isn't working. Maybe admin will get the issue corrected soon?

A closing thought:

If you are creating any roulette system, you should focus on creating a balanced system.

Let the roulette wheel do the randomizing.

Your system should not be random, it should be balanced.
32.   Based on what I've said about balance and connected numbers (based on the pairs table) ...

How could you use already landed numbers to 'predict' numbers that are likely to land next? :)

Now, that is the kind of mad-scientist question that leads to the grail.

No, you can't precisely predict which number will land next, but there's a way to get as close as you possibly can. :)

Please don't try to answer this question. I'm just throwing it out there. But it has do with observing how numbers connect to each other after every 4 spins, based on the pairs table. ;)
33.   I guess the basic idea is somewhat similar, except that I'm using inside numbers.

The inside numbers constantly 'try' to balance with each other in a sort of uniform dance. And there are ways to temporarily exploit the imbalances.

From time to time, I warn against red / black systems because there's no way of exploiting reliable roulette constants.

The constants that I seek to exploit are...

- 24 singles every 37 spins

- 12 doubles every 37 spins

- 13 no-hits every 37 spins

Now, that's a reliable roulette pattern every 37 spins and it's a way of informing you that roulette is not perfectly random.

If you are aware of perfectly exploitable and reliable constants in a red / black strategy, then power to you. If not, watch out.
34.   OK ... yes, I now understand what you're saying.

For clarification, on my part:

- 24 singles must occur at some stage, every 37 spins

- 12 numbers occur only once

- 12 doubles occur every 37 spins

- 13 no-hits every 37 spins

The above is not too far off from what you have. And the above is mainly from my real wheel experience, give or take + or - 1 or 2

Also, when I state  24 'singles', I'm looking at it from the point of view that singles must occur first before doubles can manifest.

I know ... putting the grail together based on the many clues I've provided is a killer challenge. Different components that are presented impact on other suggested elements and transforms the final solution into something new.

And ONE of the reasons I presented it that way, was to see if my thinking was anything different from the thinking of very experienced roulette players.
35.   Options:

1) 2 chips on doubles

2) 1 chip on doubles

3) Half of a chip on doubles

2) and 3) should make you smile. :)

- Vaddi
36.   what are the adjustments you make to the other 2 important rules ?
1.Splitting
2.Pairing


END


Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 09:54 AM 2015
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As another clue, I suggest that you create a stepping sequence (like above) wherein if you hit the last number in that sequence, you will break even.

If you use 10, you will have 10 numbers on the table if you reach your 10-number limit. And, if the ball lands on that last set of 10, you'll make a small loss and the funny thing is that 10 numbers doesn't improve accuracy over the lower, perfect X number.
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13.   It's all about balance. And if you read my above posts, that X number is a factor of a bigger number that I've quoted. And, if you were to create the lowest level progression out of X numbers, the last winning number of that progression would bring your bankroll back to break-even.
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14.   1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 = 36 This must be the secret number
Yep, I see that little magic number that is smaller than 10. And, just look at how it's perfectly placed in relation to posts about break-even. That position is absolutely perfect in that sequence of numbers. Absolutely perfect. :)
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You begin at the beginning: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8. If you increase your bankroll or break even at this stage, you go back to the 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 process and place a single bet on the last landed number that made you win or break even
With the singles/pairs part of the simulator switched off, X = 8 definitely breaks even as you can see below (for doubles only):
(http://x://s8.postimg.org/4ibnoclph/Break_Even.jpg)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: atlantis on Aug 20, 10:39 AM 2015
Hi falkor,
I agree with your findings on your last post.
Do you think then that the pairings come into effect in the second or third phase maybe?

Whilst your winning in phase 1 everything is hunky dory - you simply restart on a level or new high.
If you lose all 8 bets in Phase 1 then you enter Phase 2 (the rolling "8" off the marquee minus the hit numbers)  and you try to get level or new high from that. Is there a change if you're unlucky after 8 spins in Phase 2?
I dunno when you activate the pairings into the equation though...?
Thanks for your work on this - very much appreciated.

A.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 10:45 AM 2015
I tried changing the chip units for Singles / Doubles when a Double wins:
1 / 1 (dropped to 523 instead of breaking even)
5 / 5 (lost more units in the 400 range)
1 / 2 (dropped to 523 instead of breaking even)
1 / 4 (dropped to 523 instead of breaking even)

Are we expecting Singles or Doubles to win at this opening stage? I guess the system could involve betting only one number from the pair at a given time - either singles or doubles only. Nevertheless chip ratio 1/2 made the most profit so far for 1,000 spins (+800)* even though when a single wins at spin 8 the balance drops to the 400 range (worse than the doubles).

*2/1 got to +100
*2/2 got to +600
*1/1 got to +336
*0/1 got to +333
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 10:56 AM 2015
Hi falkor,
I agree with your findings on your last post.
Do you think then that the pairings come into effect in the second or third phase maybe?
I activated the pairings at later phases during my earlier tests, but the results were worse. I will try those tests again now that the simulator is more sophisticated. At the same time I need to understand what is happening at different stages of the cycle in relation to betting only the previous 8 numbers (+/- pairs) on the marquee.

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Whilst your winning in phase 1 everything is hunky dory - you simply restart on a level or new high.
If you lose all 8 bets in Phase 1 then you enter Phase 2 (the rolling "8" off the marquee minus the hit numbers)  and you try to get level or new high from that. Is there a change if you're unlucky after 8 spins in Phase 2?
I dunno when you activate the pairings into the equation though...?
Thanks for your work on this - very much appreciated.
I asked myself the same question re: pairings activation, but vaddi doesn't say. He does speak a lot about balance in order to catch the singles at the same time as the doubles - points more towards simultaneous betting from the outset - but cannot be too sure. Check my attachments regarding phase 2 activity - I need to analyse this more myself.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 11:03 AM 2015
Something very interesting is happening in Phase 2 with this chip ratio: the sets are mostly winning the moment that the Singles and the Doubles become equal in terms of running total!  :o

This could be the complete Holy Grail in the current form?  :twisted: (see above attachment Vaddi1to2.zip)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 11:12 AM 2015
You can see the profit was actually in the +900s range, but there was a sudden drop because I ended the set after a 37 spin cycle before the Singles had caught up with the Doubles (the count also seems misbalanced for spin 37). How to solve this kind of drawdown?
(http://x://s7.postimg.org/5c6nbr9bv/drop.jpg)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 11:33 AM 2015
When I turn off the 37 spin limit, the system seems to fight - very hard - and recover! (for 202 spins in set 4)

Edit: it run out of balance during another set.  >:(
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 20, 11:35 AM 2015
what about this?

"2) 1 chip on doubles

3) Half of a chip on doubles"
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 20, 11:37 AM 2015
vaddi dont stop after 37 spins...

"The 37-spin cycle is not of the greatest importance as such, because you can play the system for long period sessions. However, you should make a profit within 185 spins."
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 20, 11:42 AM 2015
37 spins (= 37 bets in terms of single and group bets)

I've played up to 296 spins (8 cycles) and discovered that doing so is a waste of time because better and faster profits are within 24 - 74 spins.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: atlantis on Aug 20, 11:50 AM 2015
Please clarify if you have to have 8 results with no repeats on the marquee before starting...
I got good results if I started without this. Vaddi says you can start ANY TIME.
So I began my series of 8 bets in Phase 1 by betting the last number hit and simply added the following numbers until a hit or until a max of 8 numbers had been played without a hit.
A.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 20, 11:56 AM 2015
there is a contradiction...hey said: arrive at table and start to bet...

then he said:

 "You can start betting on your magic X numbers at ANY TIME. Look at the marquee and wait until there are NO REPEATS in your set of X numbers, then start betting on all those X numbers. Caching!"
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 12:08 PM 2015
I noticed that contradiction, too! What's the purpose of phase 1? Presumably it's to catch a double more than a single, but then a lot of the singles/doubles that do land are outside of the 8 spin radar by phase 2; he fails to mention the mathematics of roulette and his system within that context. So the mechanics of his system is based more around how many singles/doubles fall within a rolling set of 8 spins, based on recently hit numbers.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Aug 20, 12:19 PM 2015
heres a version of catch the 8 train of the great mr j,s system...you can use it for speed to collect the repeat numbers/...adjust profit and stoploss on top...just one of many variations i had nick make me...read through the subject and thought it was pretty interesting as catch the 8 train in itself is pretty good ...ive also including a varition using splits...which u can enter the amount of virtual losses in bfore betting...as usual both work on the excel bot....which is only good for testing these days...and again i see links to systems referring to number groups ...like ignatus latest system and along the lines dyslexic was hinting at
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 12:55 PM 2015
I coded that 8 train one a few days ago, as it happens, and it failed - but what I've learnt in general is that if you only bet on numbers that have repeated the most times then the progressions needed to hit them become significantly shorter (no advantage to flat-betting there I found). That finding is going to be my next project, but I need to finish this one first.

Regarding Vaddi's grail(?), I am currently testing phase 1 to see if the singles match the doubles in terms of running totals - or whether we should ditch the singles and bring them in for phase 2+. After 1,000 spins the running total stands at 38 / 47, but I am now running that same test over 10,000 spins.

Observation re: phase 2 - when the running totals of the singles and doubles climb neck and neck, the set generally ends with a profit, but when one is significantly higher than the other (usually the doubles higher than the singles) then that fluctuation/deviation spells doom. That phase I'll be analysing in more detail after phase 1.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 01:00 PM 2015
Results are already in: 416 / 417 (how close is that!?  >:D)

So I think the singles are needed as much as the doubles for phase 1?

Next test on phase 1 (singles vs. doubles only) is a test of profit/loss over the 10,000.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 01:28 PM 2015
I found there was a small bug in the number of singles being reported - 50 too many (or about an 1/8th) due to a number landing in the current set from the last spin of a previous set (should have been reported as a double). That's been fixed - so there are actually less singles in phase 1 - and it's more profitable to only bet on doubles, it seems, from another test I did.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 01:48 PM 2015
Next test is for phase 2 only - running totals of Singles/Doubles over a maximum 74 spin cycle (10,000 spins). 1,000 spins = 198 / 162
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 20, 02:53 PM 2015
how to deal with that hint?

"How could you use already landed numbers to 'predict' numbers that are likely to land next? :)

No, you can't precisely predict which number will land next, but there's a way to get as close as you possibly can. :)

 it has do with observing how numbers connect to each other after every 4 spins, based on the pairs table. ;)"


now its 4 spin cycles using the pair table?

will do some more hand tests later...
max
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 03:00 PM 2015
Results are looking like this, but I am going to run it again based on a 37 spin cycle:
1311 / 2261

I am also going to see which spin number has the most singles or repeats, so we can determine the "shape" of a typical set to indicate whether we should be betting on singles or doubles. If the spins come out equal then I guess we need to bet on whatever is trailing behind (singles or doubles) unless one is always higher than the other in which case we will have a different benchmark. Edit: or we might run into a "waves" problem.

I am running this test over 1 million spins, but will start reporting results after 50K.

Quote
now its 4 spin cycles using the pair table?

will do some more hand tests later...
max
I tried that in my early tests as well. Tomorrow I will repeat my current test under those circumstances. For the semi-finals I can then tailor the simulator for 8/4 pairs/spin cycles to see which one comes out on tops in terms of profit.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: petespin on Aug 20, 05:18 PM 2015
i have the feeling that this thread could be very long , but then iam thinking that perhaps vaddi hes around and hes smile looking all of us to try to decode his systen , it would be great to come and speak about it !
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 20, 05:22 PM 2015
i have the feeling that this thread could be very long , but then iam thinking that perhaps vaddi hes around and hes smile looking all of us to try to decode his systen , it would be great to come and speak about it !

that would be nice! give us more hints vaddi! :)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 05:28 PM 2015
50K - pattern is already clear

558 / 1715 = x 3 total Doubles over Singles.

Below, Doubles always higher than Singles. Singles start out higher then gradually fall; Doubles start out low before gradually rising towards the end of the cycle.

(http://x://s1.postimg.org/4xdvtytcf/50k.jpg)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: petespin on Aug 20, 05:44 PM 2015
ok guys, nice try , but there are some dark poimts that only vaddi could answer , and only with assumptions u go nowhere ,even only a small mistake could lead us at wrong conlusions ,and thats not good at all !
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 20, 07:04 PM 2015
Here's the chip ratio I'm trying in the latest simulation with singles turned on throughout phase 1 and phase 2 based on the 8 spin cycle:

PHASE 1

      &assign(?schips?,1.75)
      &assign(?dchips?,2)

PHASE 2

      &if(?spinx?<38)
      {
         &assign(?schips?,1)
         &assign(?dchips?,5.25)      
      }
      &if(?spinx?<36)
      {
         &assign(?schips?,1)
         &assign(?dchips?,4.25)      
      }
      &if(?spinx?<35)
      {
         &assign(?schips?,1)
         &assign(?dchips?,4)      
      }
      &if(?spinx?<34)
      {
         &assign(?schips?,1)
         &assign(?dchips?,3.75)      
      }
      &if(?spinx?<33)
      {
         &assign(?schips?,1)
         &assign(?dchips?,3.50)      
      }
      &if(?spinx?<25)
      {
         &assign(?schips?,1)
         &assign(?dchips?,3)      
      }
      &if(?spinx?<23)
      {
         &assign(?schips?,1)
         &assign(?dchips?,2.5)      
      }
      &if(?spinx?<18)
      {
         &assign(?schips?,1)
         &assign(?dchips?,2)      
      }
      &if(?spinx?<9)
      {
         &assign(?schips?,1)
         &assign(?dchips?,1.5)      
      }
      &if(?spinx?<6)
      {
         &assign(?schips?,1)
         &assign(?dchips?,1.25)      
      }
      &if(?spinx?<3)
      {
         &assign(?schips?,1)
         &assign(?dchips?,1)      
      }

Although this is now becoming a progression am I thinking along the right lines or should I be looking more at the tally for each individual set?

Perhaps this could be used as a base, but we can do better still on an individual basis; for example, the worst set was 28:
(http://x://s4.postimg.org/payjvv159/doubles.png)
The Singles/Doubles tally/sequence I haven't analysed, but looking at the general counter there are way too many singles and not enough doubles by spin 37. If we were to change (should have been recognised before spin 37) and bet on doubles only, the next 3 wins all turn out to be doubles!

Attached: +1,500 in 2,000 spins! Note: there's one little bug where the chip values sometimes get swapped between the singles and doubles due to "overcrowding" (will be fixed soon - shouldn't affect the profit a great deal).

I'll look to be moving onto 4 spin cycles next as that might yield more profit and less drawdown.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 20, 09:49 PM 2015
Oh my god. Dejavu.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Tomla021 on Aug 20, 09:57 PM 2015
vina, vedi , vaddi , vaddi , vaddi
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 21, 03:22 AM 2015
Damn, there's still a small glitch in my code where the singles are being reported as doubles, so I have to re-run the tests after fixing that.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 21, 06:20 AM 2015
The Singles/Doubles detection is now totally accurate - and guess what(?) - there are now about twice as many singles as doubles!  :twisted: Full accurate results to be re-posted this afternoon...

I was also pondering that perhaps Vaddi might call 8 singles, 8 doubles or 4 of each - based on both the 4 and 8 spin cycle - depending on the running totals? All options need to be tested.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: atlantis on Aug 21, 06:45 AM 2015
Worth bearing in mind what vaddi said:

"You don't even need pen and paper. Simply look at the first set of numbers on the marquee. Although, I do like using my software to watch the beauty of how the numbers fall.

Once you discover the grail, you would be able to spend 5 minutes explaining it to a 10-year-old and if he/she is allowed to play, he/she would make a killing.

BTW, let me emphasize: THIS IS ALL FLAT BETTING.

I'm posting this because I hate to see players barking up the wrong tree and struggling.

Thinking about odds is irrelevant. It's about how the singles and repeats fall.

Once you discover the grail, you'll be thinking:

"No f*ing way. It can't be this simple!" But, it IS that simple!"

So seems not to get too complicated or overthink... we must look for a simple and infallible approach.

A.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 21, 07:07 AM 2015
Results are in based on a 4 spin cycle with precise singles/doubles detection (8 spin cycle is most likely the same) - and the pattern is now very simple indeed:
8175 / 4722

And each spin is the same from start to finish: about 230 / 130

So Singles are about 1.75 more than Doubles. You would expect them to follow a pattern like this every set:

7   4
14   8
21   12
28   16
35   20
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 21, 08:13 AM 2015
Calling upon the last 8 numbers, instead of 4, gives a different ratio for some reason:
11696 / 8031 = 1.456356618

Otherwise expect the same ratio at any spin number during a set.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 21, 08:26 AM 2015
Damn, I just discovered there's another bug in the code - this time too many bets are being placed. I need to fix that and then re-run the tests for more accurate ratios.  :-[ :sad2:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 21, 09:19 AM 2015
OK - after many setbacks - Singles and Doubles are both coming out equal for 4 or 8 spin cycles. Phase 1 has more doubles. Results of the "shape" of each typical set from start to finish will be posted later, but it will probably be equal as well. So what's Vaddi talking about re: relationship between Singles and Doubles and at different stages of the 37 spin cycle? He always bets the last 8 numbers (x1 or x2 as pairs), but that is not within the context of the Law of the Third or in relation to other numbers that are outside this radar. It's like selecting any 8/16 numbers on the board knowing that half of them will hit equally to the other half. Does picking the last 8 that landed play any significance at all for phase 2?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 21, 10:12 AM 2015
PHASE 1
3365 / 3588   

104   119
195   203
303   324
399   404
477   493
566   625
572   658
749   762

Comments: Doubles slightly ahead of Singles. Most bets won when you have all 8 numbers in play (goes without saying).

PHASE 2 (LAST 4 or 8 NUMBERS)
7424 / 8031 (smaller for 4 NUMBERS)

Roughly equal values for all 37 spins

Comments: Doubles slightly ahead of Singles again. No other patterns.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 21, 10:39 AM 2015
There's only 2 feasible ways I can imagine playing this system:

PHASE 1

Play only doubles

PHASE 2

Put more chips on doubles and less on singles (based on a 4 spin cycle = max 8 numbers in total)
When the double hits, change to more chips on singles
When 1-1 change to equal chips


PHASE 1

Play only doubles

PHASE 2

Play the last 8 doubles
When the double hits, switch to betting the last 8 singles
When 1-1 change to 4 singles and 4 doubles


Should those methods not yield consistent profit then I give up! I can't see any grail here and it has little to do with the Law of the Third...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: helena on Aug 21, 11:25 AM 2015
Thank you RFMAXX for bringing this to our attention.  Amazingly simple concept that has great potential.  I am a big a fan of inside betting and have always thought a Holy Grail would come from it.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 21, 11:58 AM 2015
Falkor found it. I am only a re-Poster.
I like it too...i think there is something...but like falkor said, it is not running Perfect and there are a lot of Vaddi rules unused. I will rethink it from Time to Time
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Still on Aug 21, 12:38 PM 2015
I don't recall Vaddi saying anything about law of third, certainly not emphasized.  Did emphasize pairs, and using landed to predict unlanded, so as to catch singles (catch unhit numbers/sleepers).  So, instead of betting the last number, bet its supposed pair instead.  Something like that. I don't see how his pairings are related but hey.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Still on Aug 21, 12:46 PM 2015
Also, he's been quoted lots here but I don't think 100% ( better yet, in chronological order) in one document, something he suggested twice or three times.  Among the quotes missing:  the sleeper method that he said helped change his thinking.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: helena on Aug 21, 01:05 PM 2015
Also, he's been quoted lots here but I don't think 100% ( better yet, in chronological order) in one document, something he suggested twice or three times.  Among the quotes missing:  the sleeper method that he said helped change his thinking.

I agree it is much better to read the original thread, he gave many many clues without actually giving the solution.  He got a lot of abuse towards the end.  Especially from the scammer.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 21, 01:08 PM 2015
I've been toying with different parameters for Vaddi's system. The Doubles have a slight edge over the Singles, so the only way to win might be to either:
1) Wait for the Singles to win phase 1 (or for virtual Singles in phase 1 or 2) then bet on the Doubles until Singles = Doubles?
2) Start out playing Doubles until the gap becomes larger than normal then switch to Singles?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Still on Aug 21, 01:14 PM 2015
I've been toying with different parameters for Vaddi's system. The Doubles have a slight edge over the Singles, so the only way to win might be to either:
1) Wait for the Singles to win phase 1 (or for virtual Singles in phase 1 or 2) then bet on the Doubles until Singles = Doubles?
2) Start out playing Doubles until the gap becomes larger than normal then switch to Singles?
By singles he means SLEEPERS, no?
How do you predict sleepers from landed numbers so as to bet on sleepers, yes?
What do YOU mean by singles, and how do your tests propose to catch them?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 21, 01:51 PM 2015
Yes, his singles are sleepers. It's like going to a Casino and seeing that the Blacks are 66% in front of Reds, so you bet on Red because it needs to catch up. That's even money, but here the Doubles have a slight edge, so they always catch up. To catch the sleepers would need to be at the start of phase 1 or 2 (virtually or actually betting on them), otherwise we would have to wait for the Doubles to be stretched so far above the sleepers by a certain spin number that the sleepers would need to catch up.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 21, 02:30 PM 2015
Got an interesting test happening now following an even more interesting set. I got to +1K then the doubles took 800 spins to catch up with the singles/sleepers on the 378th set. The 8 number attack wasn't a big enough cover. I think 16-18 numbers might be needed to close that gap quicker. But I am also trying 1/2 chip ratio instead of 0/1 ratio, but I don't think that will make any difference at bringing the set into profit.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: vladir on Aug 21, 03:00 PM 2015
There's only 2 feasible ways I can imagine playing this system:

PHASE 1

Play only doubles

PHASE 2

Put more chips on doubles and less on singles (based on a 4 spin cycle = max 8 numbers in total)
When the double hits, change to more chips on singles
When 1-1 change to equal chips


PHASE 1

Play only doubles

PHASE 2

Play the last 8 doubles
When the double hits, switch to betting the last 8 singles
When 1-1 change to 4 singles and 4 doubles


Should those methods not yield consistent profit then I give up! I can't see any grail here and it has little to do with the Law of the Third...


I have been reading some of this.  I'll share my guess on thjis story. My guess is that this Vaddis maybe suspected he could take an edge from this kind of betting, but he couldn't figure out a real way of doing it long term. So, he throws away all the pieces of the puzzle he knows, to see if someone else has any other ideas to "fix" is potential grail. Just saying :)


Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 21, 03:18 PM 2015
Yeah, you could be right - he did mention the possibility that somebody else might be able to refine his system better.

Got a few simulations running on different computers right now. That set 378 was able to stay in profit for much longer with chip ratio 1/1, but then a stop-loss was needed when Singles/Doubles = 3/0. Also it loses profit when there's no hits for an extended period. There's no way of possibly playing doubles catch up unless with a bigger number cover. So that was an interesting lesson in terms of balance.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: vladir on Aug 21, 03:38 PM 2015
I did some tests with 8 numbers repeaters in the past over millions of spins, I still have some notes here, but I could not find a way to exploit it longe term, at least flat betting. Basically, I got this more interesting conclusions out of it:

- a repeater in last 8 numbers can go for up to 60 spins withouth appearing;

- repeaters in last 8 numbers seem to "cluster" sometimes;
   - a further analysis on this revealed that after we have a repeater in the last 8, there is sligthly above 50% (I have 51,43% in my notes) chance that in the next 4 spins, one of the last 8 numbers will repeat again. So if we  woudl flat bet after everytime we have a repeater in the last 8, with 8 units for 4 spins (always the last 8 numbers of course), we have about 49% chance of losing 32 units, and 51% chance of winning  4 or 12 or 20 or 28 units. Flat betting, the result longterm is sligthly negative... probably it was in accordance with the house edge of -2,7 (didn't checked that)

If you can find a way to use this information, remember to share :)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 21, 04:31 PM 2015
Yeah, you could be right - he did mention the possibility that somebody else might be able to refine his system better.

Got a few simulations running on different computers right now. That set 378 was able to stay in profit for much longer with chip ratio 1/1, but then a stop-loss was needed when Singles/Doubles = 3/0. Also it loses profit when there's no hits for an extended period. There's no way of possibly playing doubles catch up unless with a bigger number cover. So that was an interesting lesson in terms of balance.

The guy sandrino claimed he refined it.... With pairing and Splitting...whatever that means (maybe it deals with vaddis balance listing). Still the question: how to predict singles and doubles with the fallen numbers?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Still on Aug 22, 03:13 AM 2015
Yes, his singles are sleepers. It's like going to a Casino and seeing that the Blacks are 66% in front of Reds, so you bet on Red because it needs to catch up. That's even money, but here the Doubles have a slight edge, so they always catch up. To catch the sleepers would need to be at the start of phase 1 or 2 (virtually or actually betting on them), otherwise we would have to wait for the Doubles to be stretched so far above the sleepers by a certain spin number that the sleepers would need to catch up.

Phase one, as described, bets only on the possibility of repeating numbers.  Same with phase two (an attempt to convert singles into doubles, and doubles into triple repeats...etc).  At no time did the author explain how to convert sleepers into singles except to suggest there was a balanced relationship between landed numbers and some mystical "pair".  The only way you can bet on an unlanded number is to bet on an unlanded number, preferably selected by something other than luck.  None of his examples showed any bets on unlanded numbers, but its clear thats what you have to do, with the pairs table and perhaps a couple more factors to guide the selection of unhit numbers.  Until someone starts betting on unhit numbers ("sleepers")in some intelligent way, not all clues left by the author are being heeded, and we are apt to go astray on dead end tangents, confused by duplicious linguistical syntax (kind of like where Christianity is right now). On the other hand, the puzzle might be unsolvable, in which case the author must have been trying to sell software. Speaking of which, has anybody checked out his DATA extraction spreadsheet/software?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: iggiv on Aug 22, 08:20 AM 2015
No way this thing can work. Roulette can give you so many waking up sleepers it will kill any bet like this. It can happen any moment and very frequently sometimes. Yes, i agree, there could be days when it behaves according to this idea. You can win a lot of money in those lucky days. But there will be days when all your winnings will be destroyed. Very nature of roulette will destroy it. If this was so simple,
roulette would not be a casino game my friends. Study its behaviour for a while and you will see i am right.

Roulette kills any consistent patterns, remember it.

To defeat it you some things to take into consideration. One thing is that no grails exist, they are something impossible, don't try to find them. Try to defeat roulette SOMETIMES, not all the spins in a row. 2nd thing is that you will need to be able to change your patterns. They should be DIFFERENT. Consistent pattern of combining a few multiple hits and single hits from marque won't work.
3rd thing is that withing a few sessions you must cover all the table. It's inevitable that if you don't take notice of what you bet you will bet one part of a table more than another and unbiased roulette wheel will defeat you.

Another thing is that you must cover sufficient part of the table.

Here i gave you some clues which may help you. Don't waist your time on "grails" like this telling you to bet the same patterns. They just mislead you. I don't know if this guy tries to mislead people by purpose or sincerely believes in what he says. Anyway it doesn't matter, the result matters. You will waist your time to find solution this way.

P.S. I don't want to be dragged into fruitless arguments. I am not a prophet or something like this so i can be wrong as well. I just gave you what i think is right and may help you. Please don't take this as religious argument with pointing fingers, blaming for heresy and so on like some people did some time ago. I also have very limited time on my hands so i am not going to go into details and proving i am right and so on. I will be just happy if what i said will help someone. Thanx for understanding.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: MrJ on Aug 22, 11:22 AM 2015
This is a strange game we play.....our numbers might hit, our numbers might not hit but yet....we keep playing.

Ken
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: helena on Aug 22, 11:39 AM 2015
I have always been a believer that inside betting is the right way to bet and after reading the thread a few times I think Vaddi was onto something.  Even if he doesn't have a perfect bet he does have a very good one.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: iggiv on Aug 22, 03:25 PM 2015
It's right about inside bets, and his bet selection is not the worst one -- betting on cold would be worse. And yes, he is "onto something" like some people which suggested betting on multiple recent hits. But this kind of bet selection is right only partially. And if you keep betting this way you will lose. But if you include it with different proportions sometimes in your different bet selections carefully without overdoing it, you may be winning this game. But there are other conditions should be met. The way as it is it is losing game.

It is not that easy. This is a very complex game, remember it. If it was that simple as he is trying to tell you it would have been cracked long ago.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Still on Aug 22, 03:26 PM 2015
Quote
Very ... very interesting indeed, Andrey86Pak.

I'm not aware of that posting, but it's obvious that the person has discovered the power of singles being converted into doubles.

What is missing however, is the flip side of singles to doubles, which is sleepers being converted into lands, i.e., sleepers to singles.

All elements of roulette have a mirror and you can use lands / doubles to flow with and to predict sleepers.

- Vaddi

Quote
The inside numbers constantly 'try' to balance with each other in a sort of uniform dance. And there are ways to temporarily exploit the imbalances.
-Vaddi

Quote
- using dropped numbers to predict future drops

Based on what I've said about balance and connected numbers (based on the pairs table) ...

How could you use already landed numbers to 'predict' numbers that are likely to land next? :)

No, you can't precisely predict which number will land next, but there's a way to get as close as you possibly can. :)

But it has do with observing how numbers connect to each other after every 4 spins, based on the pairs table. ;)

- Vaddi



Quote
The above pairings take care of your singles and doubles all at the same time. :)

Do you see the balancing guys?

Which means that if #2 lands, then you need to bet on #2 and #3 at the same time. Splits or single chip.

As above, always choose your pairings going forward.

However, what happens if #3 is already covered? In that case go backwards and cover #1 instead. That's because, as in the table above, #2 is also connected to #1.

-Vaddi


Quote
I know ... putting the grail together based on the many clues I've provided is a killer challenge. Different components that are presented impact on other suggested elements and transforms the final solution into something new.
- Vaddi

Quote
Your main task is to understand the whole picture based on all the parameters combined together.

None of the parameters stand in isolation of one another.  ;D

- Vaddi

On the other hand, all this may be to sell software:

Quote
Search on this forum for my FREE Roulette Numbers Data Extractor script to study repeater patterns and repeater ranges. You'll need Roulette Scripter Studio Pro though.

The script might give you a fresh perspective on roulette.

- Vaddi

So beware
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Still on Aug 22, 03:40 PM 2015
Based on the above clues we would be betting on landed, as well as each unlanded "pair" of the landed. At any stage we would be betting on an even number of inside numbers, up to 16, but explicitly NOT 18 numbers.  Something like that.  If were going to go down in flames, at least go down following the clues. Each idea has to conform with ALL clues or it will explicitly not work, according to the author.  Ignore the paired number set at your own peril.  On the other hand, this could be a slick way to sell software.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 22, 07:13 PM 2015
I've tested untold variations now, but only 2 are holding above water for 10,000 spins:
1) Wait for a single to appear then bet 1 chip on singles and 1 chip on doubles (8 x 2 = 16 numbers). If the singles start repeating and form a large gap ahead of the doubles then change to 0 chips on singles and 1 chip on doubles. Doubles has the edge so they will catch up. Once the doubles equal the singles then stop. This hovered between +400-1000 for 10,000 spins. No opposite strategy works for the singles when the doubles are ahead because they are weaker.
2) Bet singles only until a single appears then bet doubles only until a double appears and then keep switching to try and force a win from both, alternating one at a time.

All other methods are failing. I tried a stop loss when the singles or the doubles go ahead of the other. I tried a "singles recovery" when the doubles go ahead, but they never catch the doubles because the doubles have a slight edge. I tried 2 chips instead of 1. I tried different "magic numbers". I tried stop loss whenever there's a "crossover", i.e. the doubles = the singles.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: falkor2k15 on Aug 22, 09:22 PM 2015
Attached is how I managed to pass 10K - one of the few ways I could get Vaddi's system to stay afloat for a good number of spins - all instructions are in red.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 23, 12:51 AM 2015
Hey guys.  Try this

Bet any number that shows of these: #6, #7, #8, #9, #10

To my surprise good hit rate :d
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Saturday, August 22,2015 @ 11:31pm CDT USA

...11,1,27,17,10*

Bet #10:     1.) 4(x)-1               2.) 15(x)-1               3.) 6(x)-1*

Bet 10,6:     4.) 3(x)-2               5.) 27(x)-2               6.) 15(x)-2

7.) 30(x)-2                8.) 23(x)-2               9.) 22(x)-2               10.) 11(x)-2

11.) 0(x)-2               12.) 7(x)-2*

Bet 10,6,7:    13.) 34(x)-3               14.) 3(x)-3               15.) 25(x)-3

16.) 7(win)+33*

Bet 10,6:     17.) 14(x)-2               18.) 27(x)-2               19.) 34(x)-2

20.) 4(x)-2               21.) 29(x)-2               22.) 30(x)-2

23.) 18(x)-2               24.) 2(x)-2               25.) 23(x)-2

26.) 10(win)+34
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+21 
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: helena on Aug 23, 08:41 AM 2015
For me this Vaddi comment has huge significance in the original thread:

Quote
Balance is not a problem in roulette.

It's an advantage that the wheel gives you, because the wheel will ...... temporarily shift out of balance and then shift back into balance.

Therefore you need a system that can detect and take advantage of these shifts when they happen.

You need a system that incorporates an element that follows what the wheel does so that your play is in sync with the wheel.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: iggiv on Aug 23, 12:13 PM 2015
it's totally impossible on a long run. Balance works on big numbers. For example after 1000 spins there gonna be roughly a balance of black and red. But it does not make any sense for a player. What you guys now are trying to do (finding HG like Vaddi declares to have) is against rules of probability. You will never beat those rules on a long run.

It does not mean that you can't defeat roulette at all. Yes you can. But not by finding HG which will always defeat roulette for as long period of time as you wish. Again -- it contradicts rules of probability.

x://wizardofodds.com/gambling/betting-systems/challenge/ (http://x://wizardofodds.com/gambling/betting-systems/challenge/)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Aug 24, 02:55 PM 2015
here's some numbers posted in a thread cant remember which thou, poster XXedos

22      1      
18      2      36
22      1      
33      2      
23      3      
15      4      
36      5      
17      6      
32      7      
  5      8      36
32      1      
25      2      
19      3      36
19      1      
21      2      
33      3      
30      4      
11      5      
10      6      
22      7      
27      8      36
30      1      
35      2      
  8      3      
26      4      
10      5      
18      6      
12      7      
  1      8      
14      16      
25      16      
27      24      
  7      32      144
10      1      
23      2      
33      3      
19      4      
  6      5      
28      6      
  9      7      
13      8      
17      16      
11      16      72
17      1      
19      2      
24      3      
18      4      
  2      5      
21      6      
32      7      
13      8      
22      16      
10      16      
  8      24      
35      32      
  3      40      
23      48      216
13            
31            
31            
  9            
24            
22            
31            
13            
19            
30   

if played right  +91 units on singles for 33 spins, when do the doubles come in to play?      
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Turner on Aug 24, 03:35 PM 2015
When was the big post posted by Vaddi? It feels like the prime thinking everyone goes through....like "number six" in VLS in 2010 with his LOTT posts

Written very similarly

I would guess it's a few years ago....could be wrong.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Still on Aug 24, 04:27 PM 2015
When was the big post posted by Vaddi? It feels like the prime thinking everyone goes through....like "number six" in VLS in 2010 with his LOTT posts

Written very similarly

I would guess it's a few years ago....could be wrong.
Summer 2013

@nottophammer:  what are you suggesting?

Anyways, original clues suggest that if a #1 hits you bet on #2,  if #2 hits you bet on #3 (and so on) while maintaining bets on everything thats hit in the last eight spins.  Something like that.  I don't think anybody has tested this, so this thread is inconclusive.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: iggiv on Aug 25, 07:08 PM 2015
Some food for thoughts maybe. Yesterday i saw 17 sleepers waking up one after another. It is just one example. And it is not some rare events. Such things happen pretty much frequently. How Vaddi's "HG" would handle it? Believe me there will be days when you gonna see lots of such events. On this very moment you gonna play it's impossible to know what roulette will give you. Last number repeating or some multiple hit repeating again. Or some sleeper waking up. Or ten of sleepers waking up and shooting one after another. It's totally impossible to predict.

What is possible though is to create each time different combination of repeaters single hits and sleepers.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: vladir on Aug 25, 07:28 PM 2015
Some food for thoughts maybe. Yesterday i saw 17 sleepers waking up one after another. It is just one example. And it is not some rare events. Such things happen pretty much frequently. How Vaddi's "HG" would handle it? Believe me there will be days when you gonna see lots of such events. On this very moment you gonna play it's impossible to know what roulette will give you. Last number repeating or some multiple hit repeating again. Or some sleeper waking up. Or ten of sleepers waking up and shooting one after another. It's totally impossible to predict.

What is possible though is to create each time different combination of repeaters single hits and sleepers.

Yes, also for that roulette has a special treat - the exact selection of numbers we don't pick will come out enough times to leave our bankrolls very sad.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: iggiv on Aug 25, 07:40 PM 2015
Roulette does not know or care what numbers you take. What roulette does it gives you all the time different patterns. So if you manage to do just that, you have some chances to win. It's not easy though. People lose mostly in roulette for the same reason. Humans go by patterns. So if you just pick some numbers out of you head most likely it will be some kind of pattern you are using. It may win sometimes but then it is gonna lose. You may have a few patterns but eventually they will lose too. Your task is not easy. To find a way to create each time a new pattern with sufficient numbers to bet. But if you are able to do it somehow you have chance to win.

There are some others factors i mentioned already.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: doola on Aug 25, 09:07 PM 2015
Yes, also for that roulette has a special treat - the exact selection of numbers we don't pick will come out enough times to leave our bankrolls very sad.

That happens alot, especially on RNG....... >:D
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: MrJ on Aug 25, 11:23 PM 2015
@petespin >> I deleted your last 2 posts. If you have something for SALE, out with it so I can delete it please.

Ken
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: petespin on Aug 25, 11:39 PM 2015
ok but if was my purpose to sell it there is the corresponding section of the forum , so i think u get me wrong  :-X
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: doola on Aug 26, 12:19 AM 2015
Your last post looked awfully like sales speal by stealth to me.  Guessing Mr J agreed.  :o
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 26, 06:52 AM 2015
Its never ending with petespin. Like a broken record that wont stop repeating. Hes on bet selection to now
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: petespin on Aug 26, 07:39 AM 2015
i really dont know how many of u missed to read my posts before deleted , but if u consider it was promotion u re wrong , i just wanted to show u the way how can be the roulette grail , anyway when the software is ready for use, :) it will not sold for less than 1500e!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: atlantis on Aug 26, 09:54 AM 2015
petespin wrote:
Quote
anyway when the software is ready for use, it will not sold for less than 1500e!

I knew he was selling something! Anyway - none of the roulette softwares work do they?

A.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: eddy35 on Aug 27, 06:56 AM 2015
last night I followed Vaddi's instructions and played repeaters only. .........................Flatbetting.
Results look promissing.

I added all of Vaddi's posts on the MMM forum.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: helena on Aug 27, 09:40 AM 2015
last night I followed Vaddi's instructions and played repeaters only. .........................Flatbetting.
Results look promissing.

I added all of Vaddi's posts on the MMM forum.

Test a few more sessions, not all win like your session did, you will have some big losers as well, but there is definitely something in what Vaddi has said in his posts.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: eddy35 on Aug 27, 10:23 AM 2015
Test a few more sessions, not all win like your session did, you will have some big losers as well, but there is definitely something in what Vaddi has said in his posts.

But it's flatbet.  That makes it interesting.  The curve looks like a progression play...........but it's not.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: petespin on Aug 27, 11:35 AM 2015
to the LAW ... probably u need to post much ,much more often to see your posts becoming 2,500,then u will be able to banned the others , but till now , better shut it! uncorropted!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 27, 11:48 AM 2015
to the LAW ... probably u need to post much ,much more often to see your posts becoming 2,500,then u will be able to banned the others , but till now , better shut it! uncorropted!

I do not understand how OR why you are still here. You do not contribute to help. All you do is boast that you have a grail and you sell a strategy. Its time for you to scidaddle.

Im the first to admit i am not the best poster but i do try to help. You are just trash.

Noone here wants to hear someone say they have a grail of a strategy if they are not willing to share. Its counter productive. You are just ridiculous. Im sure others agree with me 

You and your idiot monions are on roulette 30, bet selection, and vls. Oh and roulette forum dot com. Give it up

Seriously,  you are ridiculous.

 ???
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: thelaw on Aug 27, 02:29 PM 2015
I do not understand how OR why you are still here. You do not contribute to help. All you do is boast that you have a grail and you sell a strategy. Its time for you to scidaddle.

Im the first to admit i am not the best poster but i do try to help. You are just trash.

Noone here wants to hear someone say they have a grail of a strategy if they are not willing to share. Its counter productive. You are just ridiculous. Im sure others agree with me 

You and your idiot monions are on roulette 30, bet selection, and vls. Oh and roulette forum dot com. Give it up

Seriously,  you are ridiculous.

 ???

Careful RG!


Don't criticize Petespin, or you'll get your posts deleted by the mod just like mine
:sad2:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Turner on Aug 27, 03:41 PM 2015
This post started with an interesting idea and descended into the usual boring tripe

Stop bickering. Its tedious to watch at my age. I left little school 40 years ago.

Petespin...you are winding people up. If the tone doesnt change from holy grails and selling , I will give you a well earned break.

Have a nice day
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: petespin on Aug 27, 05:19 PM 2015
rg u claiim that iam not willing to share mu system , but i ve done it with my 2 deleted posts , at least i started and was willing to go on further [ perhaps not the whole concept but very helpfull infos about it] to open up your eyes , but the moderators decide that iwas in wrong direction , i respect their experience but with mr they ve made a mistake , the time will show ...........the next time i will ask their permission first ....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: thelaw on Aug 27, 05:35 PM 2015
rg u claiim that iam not willing to share mu system , but i ve done it with my 2 deleted posts , at least i started and was willing to go on further [ perhaps not the whole concept but very helpfull infos about it] to open up your eyes , but the moderators decide that iwas in wrong direction , i respect their experience but with mr they ve made a mistake , the time will show ...........the next time i will ask their permission first ....

So just so I'm clear on this Petespin, you :

1) Claim that you shared your system in 2 posts deleted by the mods

then.....

2) Claim that you started to share your system in 2 posts deleted by the mods

then......

3) Claim that you did not share the whole concept, but very helpful info about your system in 2 posts deleted by the mods

Wow Petespin!!! Thanks so much for the system...........I mean the beginning of your system.......I mean info about your system......wait........I'm confused.
:question:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ddarko on Aug 27, 05:53 PM 2015
rg u claiim that iam not willing to share mu system , but i ve done it with my 2 deleted posts , at least i started and was willing to go on further [ perhaps not the whole concept but very helpfull infos about it] to open up your eyes , but the moderators decide that iwas in wrong direction , i respect their experience but with mr they ve made a mistake , the time will show ...........the next time i will ask their permission first ....

that is just a big fat lie.......

 O0
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: helena on Aug 27, 06:44 PM 2015
But it's flatbet.  That makes it interesting.  The curve looks like a progression play...........but it's not.

I agree, it is very very interesting.  I have had a few sessions go south very fast though and they didn't recover like most do, which is why I say there will be losing sessions.  A stop loss will be required if you just use the first phase only.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: doola on Aug 27, 09:56 PM 2015
Been playing with this to and trying to work it all out and think I am getting a handle on it.  The two phases are useful, but you have to be prepared for some loses.

The winning sessions will either come straight away or lose within 24 spins and you will struggle to recover the losing sessions. Even though this is flat betting it acts like a progression when losing and loses fast.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: MrJ on Aug 28, 12:24 AM 2015
rg u claiim that iam not willing to share mu system , but i ve done it with my 2 deleted posts , at least i started and was willing to go on further [ perhaps not the whole concept but very helpfull infos about it] to open up your eyes , but the moderators decide that iwas in wrong direction , i respect their experience but with mr they ve made a mistake , the time will show ...........the next time i will ask their permission first ....

Not modS, I deleted those two. Post the ENTIRE method or nothing, no hinting around. Thats the one RULE I appreciate Steve standing by us mods.

Ken
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: helena on Aug 28, 04:02 AM 2015
last night I followed Vaddi's instructions and played repeaters only. .........................Flatbetting.
Results look promissing.


Here is a losing session played with repeaters only.
Text file of numbers is attached as well to see if you get a different result to mine.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: helena on Aug 28, 05:58 AM 2015
Here is the same session playing it the way I interpreted Vaddi's clues, this one is a winning session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: eddy35 on Aug 28, 06:08 AM 2015
Here is the same session playing it the way I interpreted Vaddi's clues, this one is a winning session.

And how do you interpret Vaddi's clues?  Just wondering!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: helena on Aug 28, 06:53 AM 2015
If all 8 numbers in phase 1 miss I am -36, so I play phase 2 with all 8 missed numbers and thier pairs until I get a hit, dropping the oldest number and it's pair each time.  As soon as I get back to +ve using phase 2 I go back to phase 1.  Simple but it works 9 times out of 10.

Remember Vaddi said only play 37 spin sessions if you can, longer will just have a rollercoaster effect on bankroll.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: eddy35 on Aug 28, 07:04 AM 2015
If all 8 numbers in phase 1 miss I am -36, so I play phase 2 with all 8 missed numbers and thier pairs until I get a hit, dropping the oldest number and it's pair each time.  As soon as I get back to +ve using phase 2 I go back to phase 1.  Simple but it works 9 times out of 10.

Remember Vaddi said only play 37 spin sessions if you can, longer will just have a rollercoaster effect on bankroll.

And do you play 1 unit on both? ( numner + pairs) or 1 unit on the split?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Aug 28, 07:07 AM 2015
Helena
The 136 spin test
At spin 9  -36, if you rebet the last 8 and double the bet, spin 10 is #6, so -52, rebet the last 8 for 16 again spin 11 is #6,so 68 units in total return 72, +4.
Now start with last # for 1 unit, if you carried on this way of betting at spin 21 +42.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 28, 07:11 AM 2015
If all 8 numbers in phase 1 miss I am -36, so I play phase 2 with all 8 missed numbers and thier pairs until I get a hit, dropping the oldest number and it's pair each time.  As soon as I get back to +ve using phase 2 I go back to phase 1.  Simple but it works 9 times out of 10.

Remember Vaddi said only play 37 spin sessions if you can, longer will just have a rollercoaster effect on bankroll.

i tested it that way...but more losing sessions than winners.
stage 1 and 2 was the early stage. then vaddi said, that 1 % is missing and we have to change one thing on the table layout.

so my latest test involve streets.

but no luck either...played the streets of the last 8 unhit numbers...wheel layout and table layout...or just the last 4 unhit number streets crossing out the last and bet every new street...
it goes down... :(
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: helena on Aug 28, 07:11 AM 2015
Helena
The 136 spin test
At spin 9  -36, if you rebet the last 8 and double the bet, spin 10 is #6, so -52, rebet the last 8 for 16 again spin 11 is #6,so 68 units in total return 72, +4.
Now start with last # for 1 unit, if you carried on this way of betting at spin 21 +42.

That is using a progression, this is all about flat betting.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: helena on Aug 28, 07:13 AM 2015
i tested it that way...but more losing sessions than winners.
stage 1 and 2 was the early stage. then vaddi said, that 1 % is missing and we have to change one thing on the table layout.

so my latest test involve streets.

but no luck either...played the streets of the last 8 unhit numbers...wheel layout and table layout...or just the last 4 unhit number streets crossing out the last and bet every new street...
it goes down... :(

Yes before he told everyone about pairs, that changed everything.  Read his clues again. You really need to look at the fall of the numbers in a spreadsheet, he got it right about balance.

Streets didn't work for me either.

EDIT:  If I am in front before 37 spins are up I quit the session and start another 20+ spins or so into the numbers.  I haven't played this live yet, but testing has been very good.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 28, 08:40 AM 2015
This sounds like Mr. J's Eight Train with the repeaters.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Aug 28, 10:20 AM 2015
got these numbers yesterday in ladbrokes
Helena does Vaddis work here
9
14
16
18
2
34
15
33
29
11
27
36
20
10
30
26
23
0
32
6
25
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: helena on Aug 28, 10:37 AM 2015
got these numbers yesterday in ladbrokes
Helena does Vaddis work here
9
14
16
18
2
34
15
33
29
11
27
36
20
10
30
26
23
0
32
6
25

Nope.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: atlantis on Aug 28, 10:58 AM 2015
9
14
16
18
2
34
15
33 - lost 36u here Phase 1 = -36
--------
29 - bet 28, 30 = -38
11 - bet 28,30,10,12 = -42
27 - bet 28,30,10,12,26 -47
36 - bet 28,30,10,12,26,0,35 = -54
20 - bet 28,30,10,12,26,0,35,19,21 = -63
10 - won36; bet 28,30,12,26,0,35,19,21 = -35
30 - won36; bet 28,12,26,0,35,19,21 = -6
26 - won36; bet 28,12,0,5,19,21 = +25
23 - bet 28,12,0,5,19,21,22,24 = +17
0 -   won36; bet 28,12,5,19,21,22,24 = +46 (STOP?)
------ return to Phase 1
32 - bet 32  = +45
6 - bet 32,6   = +43
25 - bet 32,6,25  =+40
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Aug 28, 11:16 AM 2015
so after the 8 loss in a row =-36, we then bet blocks of 8, plus the 8's pairings, or like  atlantis just the pairs?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: atlantis on Aug 28, 11:23 AM 2015
I have no clue nottophammer!
This was just an idea - and I very much doubt that it will work every time either. :)

A.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Aug 28, 11:24 AM 2015
Okay Helena i was a bit naughty with those numbers they were part of 57 spins, they were the last 21,here they are as i got them, think you'll make these pay
Lad cam 27.8.15
9
0
2
26
3
18
32
10
30
20
2
19
20
2
29
3
31
19
24
29
34
36
13
11
16
11
25
21
31
16
0
9
25
29
0
25
9
14
16
18
2
34
15
33
29
11
27
36
20
10
30
26
23
0
32
6
25
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: petespin on Aug 28, 09:43 PM 2015
MRJ   , if u able to take a look at vaddis post in mmm forum u ll see that he claims '  wish i could openly share roulettegrail' i did the same , not for promoting purposes as u think , but show em which path to follow , and this is happen ONLY in this forum , anyway i feel ok with myself, believing i didnt do anything wrong here .
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 28, 10:30 PM 2015
MRJ   , if u able to take a look at vaddis post in mmm forum u ll see that he claims '  wish i could openly share roulettegrail' i did the same , not for promoting purposes as u think , but show em which path to follow , and this is happen ONLY in this forum , anyway i feel ok with myself, believing i didnt do anything wrong here .

For the love of god. Please leave
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Azim on Aug 29, 12:53 AM 2015
all hints from vaddi:

Hints/Rules
1.   You need to make inside bets
2.   You MUST bet on a set of numbers that consist of less than 10 numbers.
And please figure out that X number for long-term winning. (later he goes down between 9 and 6; I guess its 8)
3.   Those numbers that you select must be consistently selected from the top of the marquee; Your number set will change by one number each time a new number lands
4.   How do you make sure that you hit every single number that comes up on the roulette wheel?
5.   Think in terms of hits and what the roulette wheel MUST do: "It MUST hit repeats". But, how do the repeats perform in relation to the singles? For the most part: every 37 spin results in 24 hits = 14 singles + 10 doubles
6.   You don't even need pen and paper. Simply look at the first set of numbers on the marquee. With the GRAIL there is no need to think or analyze
7.   THIS IS ALL FLAT BETTING
8.   It's about how the singles and repeats fall.
9.   Look at the marquee and copy exactly what the wheel does.
10.   Remember, the wheel is recycling it's numbers for perfect balance.
11.   37-spin cycle
12.   You can start betting on your magic X numbers at ANY TIME. Look at the marquee and wait until there are NO REPEATS in your set of X numbers, then start betting on all those X numbers. Caching! :)
13.   It's all about balance. And if you read my above posts, that X number is a factor of a bigger number that I've quoted. And, if you were to create the lowest level progression out of X numbers, the last winning number of that progression would bring your bankroll back to break-even. :)
14.   1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 = 36 This must be the secret number
Yep, I see that little magic number that is smaller than 10. And, just look at how it's perfectly placed in relation to posts about break-even. That position is absolutely perfect in that sequence of numbers. Absolutely perfect. :)

Here's another thought: each 37-spin cycle is never the same, and each 37-spin cycle produces its own dominant numbers. That's why there is no such thing as hot numbers per se. :) Because all numbers eventually become "hot numbers" in their own respective 37-spin cycle, so as to maintain long-term equilibrium of all the numbers over time.

Hope that helps.


END

This is going somewhere.  I personally think, what I have highlighted in RED is the key to win on a consistent basis.

Mind you, there are a lot of variables to deal with on a consistent basis.

Here is the question that was posted about the 37 number's.

x://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14735.0 (http://x://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14735.0)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Chrisbis on Aug 29, 02:19 AM 2015
Its all about timing.........  ::)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Turner on Aug 29, 12:26 PM 2015
For the love of god. Please leave
Easy RG..
We dont want people leaving...we want people contributing and getting along. Hopefully everyone agrees with that
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: petespin on Aug 29, 05:51 PM 2015
u have to keep tracking your sessions [at the same wheel] and after a lot of spins u ll be experienced with almost the same sessions ,as before ,can u beleive that? in my sxystems i give this advice , monitor and keep your actions u ll need em  someday! think its like u want to mimic someone , after too many tries u ll have the desirable result, at the end if u really want something u have to watch after that!for god sake there are not easy money from   roulette , only study, monitor, track, follow ................ ::)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ddarko on Aug 29, 06:16 PM 2015
u have to keep tracking your sessions [at the same wheel] and after a lot of spins u ll be experienced with almost the same sessions ,as before ,can u beleive that? in my sxystems i give this advice , monitor and keep your actions u ll need em  someday! think its like u want to mimic someone , after too many tries u ll have the desirable result, at the end if u really want something u have to watch after that!for god sake there are not easy money from   roulette , only study, monitor, track, follow ................ ::)

So how come in one of your deleted posts you stated that you can win playing RNG ?

Looking at lots of previous spins (from the same wheel) isn't going to help you there is it ?

More BS from the King of it.....

 O0

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 29, 07:23 PM 2015
So how come in one of your deleted posts you stated that you can win playing RNG ?

Looking at lots of previous spins (from the same wheel) isn't going to help you there is it ?

More BS from the King of it.....

 O0

he is the KING of BS. one of the few times we agree ddarko
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ddarko on Aug 29, 07:54 PM 2015
he is the KING of BS. one of the few times we agree ddarko

the ONLY time I think !!!!!

Well petespin & mandeproper (a new member with no posts) have been on this thread for a LONG time......

Wonder what mandeproper will say to back petespin up ?

 O0
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: petespin on Aug 29, 08:39 PM 2015
u dont even  know how to read my posts , .its what i ve said about low iq u both have , but i strongly recomend u to continue to read my posts , with that way u ll improve it , at least at some point.............  :twisted:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ddarko on Aug 29, 08:43 PM 2015
u dont even  know how to read my posts , .its what i ve said about low iq u both have , but i strongly recomend u to continue to read my posts , with that way u ll improve it , at least at some point.............  :twisted:

I cannot have that low an I.Q. I haven't inquired about that HG your selling have I ?

Any chance of you answering my question BTW ? or are you just dodging it ?

 O0

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: petespin on Aug 29, 09:00 PM 2015
i dont sell anything at this moment , i have it , i dont sell it , its too  complicated to being played without denvelope it in software ...if u wondering , i really dont think there are many people that are in a position to fully understand the concept , so even if i posted for free  , i wonder whats the use ?   
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Azim on Aug 30, 12:04 AM 2015
i dont sell anything at this moment , i have it , i dont sell it , its too  complicated to being played without denvelope it in software ...if u wondering , i really dont think there are many people that are in a position to fully understand the concept , so even if i posted for free  , i wonder whats the use ?

Why waste your time here?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: thelaw on Aug 30, 10:18 AM 2015
i dont sell anything at this moment , i have it , i dont sell it , its too  complicated to being played without denvelope it in software ...if u wondering , i really dont think there are many people that are in a position to fully understand the concept , so even if i posted for free  , i wonder whats the use ?

Yet another excuse as to why Petespin will not post his "system".

Now, even if he did post it, we apparently wouldn't even understand it................................what a crock!!!

Just add it to the pile.......................
:sad2:

This type of BS, by the way, is why forums like this have yet to produce a viable system.............................too many people chasing empty ideas down rabbit holes :question:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 1eleven on Aug 30, 10:37 AM 2015
Yet another excuse as to why Petespin will not post his "system".

Now, even if he did post it, we apparently wouldn't even understand it................................what a crock!!!

Just add it to the pile.......................
:sad2:

This type of BS, by the way, is why forums like this have yet to produce a viable system.............................too many people chasing empty ideas down rabbit holes :question:

True - some people can't even type a sentence, yet, they somehow hold the keys.  Others claim they will get 'banded' vs 'banned' - Ahhh, I can't take much more of this.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ego on Aug 30, 11:24 AM 2015
 thelaw and others - Petespin is a scam-artist - he has been selling hes HG for 500 Euro.
 He is on all gambling boards.

 I have not time to get all the links and quotes he made all over internet gambling sites, but this is one link among all:
 I PM link to does who want to read more about hes attempts.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ddarko on Aug 30, 12:37 PM 2015
i dont sell anything at this moment , i have it , i dont sell it , its too  complicated to being played without denvelope it in software ...if u wondering , i really dont think there are many people that are in a position to fully understand the concept , so even if i posted for free  , i wonder whats the use ?

STILL no attempt to answer my original question......

Believe me, your silence speaks volumes.....

 O0
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 30, 05:05 PM 2015
thelaw and others - Petespin is a scam-artist - he has been selling hes HG for 500 Euro.
 He is on all gambling boards.

 I have not time to get all the links and quotes he made all over internet gambling sites, but this is one link among all:
 I PM link to does who want to read more about hes attempts.

100 percent right
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: helena on Aug 30, 07:27 PM 2015
The last page and a half of off topic rubbish is why I will no longer be bothering to contribute to his subject.  Why is this allowed?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: thelaw on Aug 30, 08:21 PM 2015
The last page and a half of off topic rubbish is why I will no longer be bothering to contribute to his subject.  Why is this allowed?

Well.............where would the threads by Falkor, Kimo Li, Reyth (Roulette30), or John Legend be now if nobody called them out?

...................................100s of pages of members looking at the Emperor's new clothes. :sad2:

Although, this may be fitting given how this thread started. Just another member claiming the hg with no proof, only bread-crumbs.

Perhaps this was a sign of bad things to follow. :question:

Maybe, jut maybe, from this point forward, we all demand proof before listening to another member's claims..................just a thought. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: helena on Aug 30, 09:06 PM 2015
Personally, I am grateful for the first post by RFMAXX.  It gave me very useful ideas that I had not thought about before.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Azim on Aug 30, 10:58 PM 2015
Personally, I am grateful for the first post by RFMAXX.  It gave me very useful ideas that I had not thought about before.


I will second this 100%.


Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Azim on Aug 31, 12:07 AM 2015
Here is session 2.

Anyone want a demo of this, add me on skype : I will give you my id via pm  and I will show the video.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Azim on Aug 31, 02:12 AM 2015
Here is session 3 from hell.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Azim on Aug 31, 03:14 AM 2015
Here is session 4.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 1eleven on Aug 31, 07:09 AM 2015
Well.............where would the threads by Falkor, Kimo Li, Reyth (Roulette30), or John Legend be now if nobody called them out?

Maybe, jut maybe, from this point forward, we all demand proof before listening to another member's claims..................just a thought. :thumbsup:

They wouldn't be able to talk about it, they've signed a non-disclosure agreement!!  :lol:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: vladir on Aug 31, 02:13 PM 2015
Here is session 3 from hell.

What are you playin here? And why the 3rd graphic seems so different from the others?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Azim on Aug 31, 04:30 PM 2015
What are you playin here? And why the 3rd graphic seems so different from the others?

All 4 sessions are played the same way. Doubles and singles.

Session 3 from hell is what everyone says RNG is fixed.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 31, 05:14 PM 2015
All 4 sessions are played the same way. Doubles and singles.

Session 3 from hell is what everyone says RNG is fixed.

RNG is not roulette. RNG computer simulation will never act like a roulette wheel

Even if the RNG is true RNG it will never behave like a wheel and ball

I would never advocate creating and testing a system on any RNG

If you prefer fast play goto a airball wheel
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Azim on Aug 31, 06:33 PM 2015
RNG is not roulette. RNG computer simulation will never act like a roulette wheel

Even if the RNG is true RNG it will never behave like a wheel and ball

I would never advocate creating and testing a system on any RNG

If you prefer fast play goto a airball wheel

Airball wheel is RNG too.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 1eleven on Aug 31, 08:17 PM 2015
RNG is not roulette. RNG computer simulation will never act like a roulette wheel

Even if the RNG is true RNG it will never behave like a wheel and ball

I would never advocate creating and testing a system on any RNG

If you prefer fast play goto a airball wheel

Prove it.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Aug 31, 08:22 PM 2015
Prove it.

I don't think proof is needed

I think it's clear to see a computer random number generator will not operate the same as a real wheel....how it acts, dealer signature etc etc.....no way is RNG the same

I thought this was common sense
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ddarko on Aug 31, 09:02 PM 2015
Prove it.

Your mind is made up, look up Confirmation Bias.......

 O0
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Azim on Aug 31, 10:41 PM 2015
I don't think proof is needed

I think it's clear to see a computer random number generator will not operate the same as a real wheel....how it acts, dealer signature etc etc.....no way is RNG the same

I thought this was common sense

Search the forum and you will see there was a discussion on this. No one could prove where the published number's came from but the poster.

Sorry to burst your bubble.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 1eleven on Sep 01, 07:02 AM 2015
Your mind is made up, look up Confirmation Bias.......

 O0

Please come up with your own material. Thank you.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 1eleven on Sep 01, 07:03 AM 2015
I don't think proof is needed

I think it's clear to see a computer random number generator will not operate the same as a real wheel....how it acts, dealer signature etc etc.....no way is RNG the same

I thought this was common sense

Do you win on either a live table or RNG?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: vladir on Sep 01, 07:19 PM 2015
Someone reading this... would think that there are at least "two kinds of randomness". One randomness produced by RNG's and another kind produced by roulettes...  How do we distinguish one from the other?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Azim on Sep 01, 08:05 PM 2015
Someone reading this... would think that there are at least "two kinds of randomness". One randomness produced by RNG's and another kind produced by roulettes...  How do we distinguish one from the other?

There is no difference.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: doola on Sep 01, 08:16 PM 2015
Someone reading this... would think that there are at least "two kinds of randomness". One randomness produced by RNG's and another kind produced by roulettes...  How do we distinguish one from the other?

There is no difference.

Agreed, except when the casino has rigged the RNG. Which I don't care what anyone says, does happen.  Heads in sand on this does not mean it doesn't happen.  Too many coincidences.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 15, 04:32 AM 2015
x://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=631.msg5504#msg5504 (http://x://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=631.msg5504#msg5504)

Think reply 3 sums this one up
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 11, 05:50 PM 2017
Atlantis, did you do any more on this ,Phase 2.  :thumbsup:
9
14
16
18
2
34
15
33 - lost 36u here Phase 1 = -36
--------
29 - bet 28, 30 = -38
11 - bet 28,30,10,12 = -42
27 - bet 28,30,10,12,26 -47
36 - bet 28,30,10,12,26,0,35 = -54
20 - bet 28,30,10,12,26,0,35,19,21 = -63
10 - won36; bet 28,30,12,26,0,35,19,21 = -35
30 - won36; bet 28,12,26,0,35,19,21 = -6
26 - won36; bet 28,12,0,5,19,21 = +25
23 - bet 28,12,0,5,19,21,22,24 = +17
0 -   won36; bet 28,12,5,19,21,22,24 = +46 (STOP?)
------ return to Phase 1
32 - bet 32  = +45
6 - bet 32,6   = +43
25 - bet 32,6,25  =+40
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jan 23, 05:27 PM 2017
I keep looking at his clues expecially  the betting 6 to 10 numbers

Im convinced its 9 numbers to bet
As tesla says  when  thinking of  the universe
Think in terms of 3 6  or 9

Vaddis ...is pretty similar  to kimo li
 Only gives clues and ive yet to see anyone of kimo lis methods produce a profit over the long term
BIG MONEY
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ozzi43 on Jan 23, 07:49 PM 2017
x://x.telegraf.rs/english/1470330-the-last-teslas-letter-to-his-mother-please-mother-pray-for-me-over-there
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 23, 08:32 PM 2017
I have an idea on this:

Wait for five consecutive unique numbers to show. 

Bet any new number collectively for up to eight spins. 
Stop on a win or after eight consecutive misses.

Example:  0,21,4,8,11
(five consecutive unique numbers)-#11 is the newest spin-value

Bet #11:        1.) 9(x)

Bet 11,9:        2.) 25(x)

Bet 11,9,25:   3.) 30(x)

Bet 11,9,25,30:    4.) 36(x)

Bet 11,9,25,30,36:    5.) 2(x)

Bet 11,9,25,30,36,2:    6.) 1(x)

Bet 11,9,25,30,36,2,1:    7.) 35(x)

Bet 11,9,25,30,36,2,1,35:    8.) 1(win)

Win or lose start over with new spin-values.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jan 24, 02:55 AM 2017
Clue : bet on 6 to 10 numbers
Clue : flat bets only
Clue : its so easy a ten year old child would understand it
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jan 24, 02:57 AM 2017
If thats the case why hasnt any  one cracked it ?
Theres some very smart people in tjis forum
Why doesnt vaddis spill his guts 
And reveal all ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jan 24, 03:02 AM 2017
Doesnt work . Have tried a lot in different way
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 24, 05:09 AM 2017
Doesnt work . Have tried a lot in different way
How did 7 #'s work out?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jan 24, 01:02 PM 2017
@ notto
What is 7s . Its 8 number straight. As you showed in ur last explanation two number from side. In case of couple repaeat comes out in 2nd phase u will be vanished. Vaddi said bankroll 120 should be ok. If the money goes below 120 without getting back then the way we r playing is not right
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jan 25, 12:54 AM 2017
Well
These guys who give hints and not the actual  rules  are full of it ...kimo li ...
Priyanka ....and vaddis  ...yes yes its either  a case of put up or shut up
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 25, 04:13 AM 2017
How did 7 #'s work out?
Another white belt on the forum (bigmoney)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 25, 05:27 AM 2017
I keep looking at his clues expecially  the betting 6 to 10 numbers

Im convinced its 9 numbers to bet
As tesla says  when  thinking of  the universe
Think in terms of 3 6  or 9

Vaddis ...is pretty similar  to kimo li
 Only gives clues and ive yet to see anyone of kimo lis methods produce a profit over the long term
BIG MONEY

Agreed-the newest nine unique numbers each spin for up to four spins.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 25, 08:16 AM 2017
How did 7 #'s work out?
Ask madi how using 7 numnbers instead of 8 numbers would go, at least 1+2+3+4+5+6+7=28+7=35, if the repeat came on spin 8, +1
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 25, 09:13 AM 2017
White belt you must be bored nothing to finger or jizz.
Madi said yesterday KTF lost but did you check vaddi as 7 numbers on yesterdays numbers
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2017/01/25/temp_376677.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/Q46d)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 25, 09:14 AM 2017
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2017/01/25/temp_689567.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/Q7DU)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 25, 09:16 AM 2017
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2017/01/25/temp_679128.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/QhOV)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 25, 09:18 AM 2017
 :thumbsup: not a finger, 2hot2handle :twisted:
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2017/01/25/temp_309815.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/QiVt)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jan 25, 04:54 PM 2017
8 number stepping progression is nothing new. I think its very familiar in usa. Nothing special. 8,7,6,5,4 whatever u play will lose in long term in fact in 37 spin . What is vaddis special is pair number for each number. In that way u need to place bet 16 number and is a looser.its a observational strategy nothing to do with logic. The clues published here is his thinking throughout his research but the actual finding is not here. Let me discuss this with my cousin who is 8 years old.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: tuddilue on Jan 26, 05:24 AM 2017
8 number stepping progression is nothing new. I think its very familiar in usa. Nothing special. 8,7,6,5,4 whatever u play will lose in long term in fact in 37 spin . What is vaddis special is pair number for each number. In that way u need to place bet 16 number and is a looser.its a observational strategy nothing to do with logic. The clues published here is his thinking throughout his research but the actual finding is not here. Let me discuss this with my cousin who is 8 years old.
Yes 9,8,7 stepping progression is a failure. So that it can't be.
For the 16 number you need to bet the splits. But as you says its a looser also.
Yes an observational strategy should work better. I also think that is the way he does it.
But then we are back on which numbers to bet on and when?
In for example WTF is using similar averages that Vaddi is using. In that case we should bet on the magic number when the averages is pointing towards that the 1x is coming.
But as always the questions is which numbers, how many and when?
- Tuddilue
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jan 26, 06:42 PM 2017
Well vaddis  is just another JOKER ... like kimo li and priyanka
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jan 28, 07:56 AM 2017
Having another look at this its 8 numbers you bet on and he keeps referring to  balance
37 spins
14 singles
10 doubles
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: tuddilue on Jan 28, 08:01 AM 2017
Having another look at this its 8 numbers you bet on and he keeps referring to  balance
37 spins
14 singles
10 doubles
Yes he does. But how to use it with 8 numbers that is the question. The balance is there but when they  come that is the question?
- Tuddilue
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on May 28, 07:25 AM 2017
Its amazing  soo many smart people in this room and no ones cracked this ...and no i havent got the answers as im not very smart
I believe this one  is the one to make truckloads of cash
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on May 28, 08:21 AM 2017
Its amazing  soo many smart people in this room and no ones cracked this ...and no i havent got the answers as im not very smart
I believe this one  is the one to make truckloads of cash
Most methods make truckloads of cash, its the 40 ton artic' that takes more away is the killer
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on May 28, 05:29 PM 2017
True ...im researching ....backtesting and brainstorming  this one
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 31, 02:36 AM 2017
Try this

Track until you have 9 unique numbers.  If a number repeats eliminate
that number.  When you have your nine bet for up to four spins, flat-bet. 
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bettingking on May 31, 07:24 AM 2017
Alas as the late Catweazle use to say "Ha nothin works!"
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 31, 09:24 PM 2017
don't give up BettingKing

@all: try this as a trigger:  Bet only when the
Last seven spins consist of five uniques and one repeater

i.e: ...2,36,5,2,21,3,19 (newest spin-value)

bet those six for up to six spins.  Stop on a win.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on May 31, 11:10 PM 2017
Im still backtestin this thing

And brain stormin it as well
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 01, 04:15 AM 2017
 bigmoney & Proofreaders2000
The above way using 7 spins was fine. But what did 75% topic show, that happens in 10 spins. Well here are 60 spins from last night on steves le-git mult-player, even spins 61-70 had 7/10 as Maestro pointed out " there it is #3" and 2 more, but 75% shows 8 spins could work, perhaps Vaddi has another part of the puzzzle but not told.
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2017/06/01/temp_176496.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/aSTs)
everyone of those blocks of 10 spins i won, the 1st 10 had me thinking going to be -92, but spin 11#29 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 01, 05:07 AM 2017
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2017/06/01/temp_379959.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/aW37)
Pick a day, 51 winning days of Jackpot, or either side that are losing days, we can see how blocks of 10 spins go.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 01, 10:17 AM 2017
well take todays then
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 02, 03:57 AM 2017
Just tried it with last 8 numbers-same eight for up to four spins.

Stellar results on European Wheel (Celtic Live Casino) 6/6 winning sessions
Somewhat lousy results on American Wheel (also Celtic Casino)  3/6 winning

Even with the winning sessions, the wins were small

Playing with $/#1 units it would take a half
a day of playing to make a modest amount

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 02, 07:24 AM 2017
Proofreaders bet bigger
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 02, 08:30 AM 2017
Im just waitin for ignatus to post this method in the note book as one of his systems  :twisted:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ignatus on Jun 02, 08:32 AM 2017
Im just waitin for ignatus to post this method in the note book as one of his systems  :twisted:

Guess what? im not posting sh*t anymore. I won't share anything more, ....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ignatus on Jun 02, 09:21 AM 2017
Ignatus you will its an addiction thing for you it s necessary to feed your ego :twisted:

so far, the feedback has been minimal, but im thankful for that little feedback i've got. "it s necessary to feed your ego" Yes? this is the internet-disease, and we all got it. We want complete strangers to care for us and give us attention....i know, we all suffer from this
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: caspian on Jun 02, 12:12 PM 2017
Guess what? im not posting sh*t anymore. I won't share anything more, ....

That's great news as for the last 3 years you have flooded every single roulette forum with a new system every week.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ignatus on Jun 02, 01:43 PM 2017
That's great news as for the last 3 years you have flooded every single roulette forum with a new system every week.

And who are you? I've never seen you before posting anything.....

What is a forum for? Sharing ideas, yes, but you missed that point, obviously.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 02, 02:00 PM 2017
What is a forum for? Sharing ideas,
but peeps you dont have to use em, perhaps disect his ideas and u might have something
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 02, 02:44 PM 2017
Just tried it with last 8 numbers-same eight for up to four spins.
Proof, lets say the 8#'s hit on 4th spin. Do you now collect 8 new #'s or just use the last 8#'s from previous spins.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 02, 05:23 PM 2017
Ignatus
You need to apply yourself  to this vaddis holy grail google it to the
n th degree .
You are a prolific  systems person ....dare i say it one of the best on the net ..

If any one can crack the vaddis code its you my friend
....BIG MONEY
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 02, 05:51 PM 2017
Proof, lets say the 8#'s hit on 4th spin. Do you now collect 8 new #'s or just use the last 8#'s from previous spins.

Ok here's what I've been doing

12,15,19,19,24,31,0,35,1 (newest spin-value)

I bet those eight: (12,15,19,24,31,0,35,1)
for up to four spins.

I then collect eight new spin-values for the next session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jun 02, 07:25 PM 2017
The longer I play this game the more I realize it doesn't matter what 8 or 9 numbers you pick

Play like you are going to lose and use good money management
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ignatus on Jun 02, 08:04 PM 2017
The longer I play this game the more I realize it doesn't matter what 8 or 9 numbers you pick

can't believe you're on the "top 20" on the leaderboard, you can get "lucky" for 1000 spins, yes. but 1000 spins is nothing.. :/
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jun 02, 09:37 PM 2017
can't believe you're on the "top 20" on the leaderboard, you can get "lucky" for 1000 spins, yes. but 1000 spins is nothing.. :/

I play smart I guess? Lol
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ignatus on Jun 02, 09:53 PM 2017
I play smart I guess? Lol

Yes, alright, sorry....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jun 02, 10:40 PM 2017
I guess I will take offense to what you are saying lol
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 05, 07:25 PM 2017
Hey guys try this

Bet newest three unique streets for up to four spins.

i.e: 2,19,34 (newest spin-value)

Bet s1-3,s19-21,s34-36 once: #31

Bet s19-24,s34-36,s31-33 once: #9

Bet s34-36, s31-33, s7-9 once: #29

Bet s31-33, s7-9, s28-30 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 10, 06:53 AM 2017
So i used my variation pf this at a b& m casino it works well ...i look at it as an hpurly rate when i play happy days
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 10, 06:57 AM 2017
What did the Fonz say, ehhhhhhhhhhhhh :lol:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 10, 05:07 PM 2017
Thats exactly right nottophammer
 Vaddis ...i can understand ....kimo li ....or is it (lie )...im not sure ..and priyanka ...i cant work there shit out ....maybe its just all smoke and mirrors with  those two...well im making money with vaddis method ...so he is the real deal...im glad my roulette  journey  is  making money now and thats all that matters
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 12, 06:43 AM 2017
.im glad my roulette  journey  is  making money now
Good for you matey :thumbsup:
R U using 8#'s and then the other part?
i'm behind on recording jackpot 247 so these #'s 11.6.17 i have know idea if KTF wins, but thats not why i'm posting them to you on here.
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2017/06/12/temp_243923.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/avJ7)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 12, 07:19 AM 2017
how often does 1- 7#'s miss, how many times can you bet those missing 7 for ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 12, 07:27 AM 2017
ohhhhhhhhhhh negative
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2017/06/12/temp_204780.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/an5Q)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 12, 07:36 AM 2017
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2017/06/12/temp_834118.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/ayxy)

We'll wait for the Doctor  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jun 12, 07:45 AM 2017
So I took a very quick glance at the thread

The gist I got it bet the newest 9 numbers on the marquee.

??
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jun 12, 09:09 AM 2017
I don't think that 9 is Vaddi's magic number.
Most forum members have taken it to be 8 as per a clue that Vaddi gave.

"Now, as I've said, "The X number is important" and it's not 10 .
As another clue, I suggest that you create a stepping sequence (like above) wherein if you hit the last number in that sequence, you will break even."

I can't help wondering if VADDI is Dyksexlic. Both of them have the same writing style and 'turn of phrase', and they both use excellent grammar.




Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jun 12, 09:21 AM 2017
But the idea is bet the last 8 on the marquee. Every spin

So each bet will be one new number
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jun 12, 09:22 AM 2017
I had serendipitous experience a while back.

I was chatting via email with someone who told me he was Dyksexlic.
It was 4am in the morning and I had to be at work at 7am. So I told him
I had to go to bed, thinking all along that it wasn't really him and that someone
was pulling my leg.
Later that day I checked my emails and one from him made me realise that it
really was him.

Damn. I would have skipped work if I had known it was him.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jun 12, 09:29 AM 2017
RG

The method that VADDI gave in itself does not work as a HG.
I think that he wanted to make people think, and that the 1% that was needed
to make the bet work, could only be done if you were trying to understand the workings
of the bet. Experimenting yourself.

So you have to follow in his footsteps, so to speak. Basically he made a trail pointing
in the direction where one had to go.



Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jun 12, 09:51 AM 2017
gamblingstyle wrote :

The failure of your system is when the number is not repeated in 20 spins.
And know that the number can be up to 28 times without repeating.
And when that happens will steal all your bankroll.
Goes to zero as any martingale system.

Vaddi replied:

Ha ... ha!
Now we have something!
That's the sort of thinking I'm talking about!
So what's the killer solution?! While still retaining flat-betting?! Based on the Grail thread?
Someone is getting close.
- Vaddi
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 12, 11:56 AM 2017
how often does 1- 7#'s miss, how many times can you bet those missing 7 for ?

Been on multiplayer collected 1st 7 unique longest so far 15 spins. On FOBT can bet 20 times.
So once you get 7 unique, you could dive straight in, or let some spins go by, letting go by is not costing you, by the way quickest for the win on there 10 spins
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 15, 06:00 AM 2017
Nottophammer
Interesting
When a bet sets up why wouldnt u bet on it straight away?

I use to trade indicies gold ...oil & currencies
If a trade sets up you take it
So if a bet sets up ...you should excute your betting progression straightaway
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 15, 06:01 AM 2017
Nottophammer
Interesting
When a bet sets up why wouldnt u bet on it straight away?

I use to trade indicies gold ...oil & currencies
If a trade sets up you take it
So if a bet sets up ...you should excute your betting progression straightaway
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 15, 06:31 AM 2017
G'day Big M
Its that i've seen 9#'s or even 12#'s miss for 30 odd spins.
To try and be safe on FOBT where can bet for 14 spins, on old data for FOBT in bookies 9 remaining non-hit had taken 23 spins, but not kept it up todate, but know that 9/12#'s have missed30 odd spins,as have had me fingers burnt on too many occasions, so why should 7 be any different.

Again just dive in probably win, but how long can the wins keep coming,before wipe out of winnings and some or all of a BR
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 15, 07:30 AM 2017
And are these numbers comming off a real roulette wheel ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 15, 07:54 AM 2017
And are these numbers comming off a real roulette wheel ?

to my last post the answer is as always its 99.9 on rgn.
Airball on collected so far betting for remaining 7 non-hit,which could be your 7 #'s,but very unlikely,max spin todate is 18 spins, but those remaining 7#'s usually hit within 7 spins.
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2017/06/15/temp_516981.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/bSD5)
18 spins once in 282 games,total spins on remaining 7 is 1025 spins

I've started to collect 111 spins from Random.org to see if the avg is same or how near.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 15, 02:41 PM 2017
Okay Big M

these from atleast 20,000 live spins posted here. I done the 1st 100 spins. You can see how the blocks of 10 spins went, but you should see i started after a win, whether 3 spins or 10 spins,
close to a 92 bust, twice.
To many of the 10/10 bust the 92 bet, i've done more but the 100 spins is good enough, i might do some more :yawn:
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2017/06/15/temp_199653.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/bWcr)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 15, 03:42 PM 2017
Big M
little while ago made 2000+units using 25 unit on MPR.
Have 16,000+ units going to go for 100 spins as in last reply
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 15, 04:48 PM 2017
Had the 100 spins, start with 16'375, 1st 50 spins hit like crazy, then the RFH lost 2 progressions on the bounce, 4'600 units down.
But as you see ended 19'407
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 15, 04:59 PM 2017
So the ? is if started at spin 49 and played for 100 spins would we get back to the start of 16'375 with those 2 losses.
Or is multiplayer just an RNG software game like FOBT's after around 30 to 40 spins on them if you are up you best take the money, so is MPR like that.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 15, 05:43 PM 2017
Ozzy you dont have to buy octopod-8 save the 1000, buy me that bottle of canadian club 20 year old, much cheaper.
3075
Big M not shabby, but at the B+M would it work :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 15, 07:30 PM 2017
Big M
posted this in repeaters, but if you do as the above sheets, i only looked to about 40th spin, looks good and its airball
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2017/06/15/temp_216872.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/bMOx)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 16, 02:40 AM 2017
You see nottophammer i understand how this grail works

Priyanka ...and kimo li .... (lie)
I havent a clue ...how their   ideas
Work and im pretty sure neither do they
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jun 16, 05:00 AM 2017
To be fair, I don't believe that Priyanka ever claimed to have an HG.


Quote from: RouletteGhost on April 27, 2017, 11:43:19 AM

do you or do you not claim to have the HG? (a system that wins perpetually - the kind that can make anyone millions) I dont think you have either said yes or no. I think you try to avoid answering. But this is like foreplay for your followers who hang on your words. If you don't have the HG, then the moral thing is to set them straight rather than remain silent and mislead people.

Reply from Priyanka:

I have said earlier as well. I added in my signature as well. I have never avoided. If you need an yes or no, NO. . I should book mark this reply, so that i can redirect everyone to it when someone says the same/assumes the same some other day :)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jun 16, 12:21 PM 2017
Was that really me I don't remember saying that lol
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 16, 04:14 PM 2017
This vaddi system will make u money .....yes the bank roll may fall over ....with money management
Like dividing your capital in to 5 bankrolls  you will make money over a year and lots of it
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kimo Li on Jun 16, 05:31 PM 2017
You see nottophammer i understand how this grail works

Priyanka ...and kimo li .... (lie)
I havent a clue ...how their   ideas
Work and im pretty sure neither do they

big money,

"You see nottophammer i understand how this grail works"

Stop your lies.

You are right, you have not a clue. That's a fact.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 16, 06:10 PM 2017
Kimo li
I have walked tge path 😁😁😁
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 16, 06:18 PM 2017
Kimo li
I have walked the path 😁😁😁
And making lotsa money playing this
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 16, 06:21 PM 2017
Kimo li do you think that this thread could be hurting your book sales?
You know ur book where theres lotsa dissections om the roilette wheel
But says nothing  ..on how to win ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jun 16, 08:03 PM 2017
Kimo li seems like a bullshit artist. A glorified silverthorne. A watered down gizmotron. A alibalaha clone

Threatened to sue cause I posted images of his pies from GOOGLE IMAGES

Another sad fellow. I ask. If your stuff works why charge?

I have no allegiance to him so respect I shall not.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 16, 08:32 PM 2017
Roulette ghost i totally agree with you  matey
Kimo li presents  his theory ..but tells u nothing  on how to win with  it

TOTAL SHYSTER ....SCAM ARTIST.... but very smart  cannot be sued defamed or debunked because he hasnt got the balls to front with the whole package
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kimo Li on Jun 16, 11:43 PM 2017
Stop the lies, is in regard to you saying things about me that are not true, not that Vaddis Holy Grail does not work.

I do not talk about Vaddis Holy Grail because I know nothing about Vaddis Holy Grail. Quite frankly I don't care. Good for you that you are winning.

Don't say I lie when you have no understanding of what I do. Simple as that.

The fact that I do not disclose my secrets to the public is a matter of choice. To those who are privileged, only they can fully appreciate the value of my work, that is all that matters.

As far as book sales, you are delusional.

RG, "An empty wagon makes the most noise." Denial... enough said.







Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Mortagon on Jun 17, 01:22 AM 2017
The self-hood seeks recognition, but does not give recognition...

xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16652.msg148942#msg148942

xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16652.msg149316#msg149316



Holy Grail (The Cup - fourth center of Kundalini)
xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17267.msg160664#msg160664
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 3Nine on Jun 17, 08:45 AM 2017
Don't say I lie when you have no understanding of what I do. Simple as that.

I have an understanding of what you do.  What to actually do with that is a different story. 
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 17, 09:38 AM 2017
Please explain  3nine
About kimo li ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 3Nine on Jun 17, 09:56 AM 2017
Please explain  3nine
About kimo li ?

Doesn't matter. 
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 17, 10:09 AM 2017
3nine are you seripus ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 26, 11:06 AM 2017
Isnt perception a wonderful thong ive come up woth something completly different to you guys
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 28, 09:09 AM 2017
4 winn8ng sessions in a row yee har you beauty you ripper.....GIDDY UP
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jun 28, 10:03 AM 2017
As the forums biggets advocate for vaddis, how are you using it?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 28, 10:08 AM 2017
Obvipusly different to everyone else my perception  of  the  vaddis holy grail  ....clues
Were off on a different tangent to other
Users
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 28, 10:11 AM 2017
Its mayb a lot different to vaddis method he uses
I sent out a $1000000 usd  challenge to kimo li after he stated i had no clue what i was doing  and so far kimo li hasnt responded ...its one way to shut his  mouth
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 29, 05:32 AM 2017
Well after more backtesting by a mate after i left the casino
The  big money version  of vaddis holy grail ....would of fail twice
Well i walked away over $1000 in front ..just lucky ...well i will continue to resrarch vaddis
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jun 29, 05:30 PM 2017
Bigmoney,
Do you also have a so-called "magic number" in your version? Is it also 8?

Just curious. Of course, if it is too precious of a secret, you don't have to reveal it.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 29, 07:31 PM 2017
 The number i used was the last 12 unquie numbers using a 10 step progression make over $1000 in four visits
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: stringbeanpc on Jun 29, 09:28 PM 2017
just like DoctorSudoku I guessed that the magic number was 8, especially after vaddi said the number is over 6 and under 9.

bigmoney, I am glad this method worked out for you.
What gave you the idea (inspiration)  to use 12 as your magic number ?

In what other ways did you modify the system to your advantage, in other words what was your missing 1% that makes the big difference as vaddi says
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 30, 10:04 PM 2017
Hi stringbeanpc

Well what gave me the idea to use  an idea popped into my head  law of the third then  i thought  a third of the roulette wheel 12 numbers   viola ...lets backtest 12 numbers ...i went off on a different tangent to every one else ...i backtested it ....
But like everything  else ..it has an occasional  loss
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: XXedos on Jul 01, 02:26 AM 2017
bigmoney ...i wanna see your take on Ignatus holy grail
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 01, 03:09 AM 2017
Hi stringbeanpc

Well what gave me the idea to use  an idea popped into my head  law of the third then  i thought  a third of the roulette wheel 12 numbers   viola ...lets backtest 12 numbers ...i went off on a different tangent to every one else ...i backtested it ....
But like everything  else ..it has an occasional  loss
Did  you look at this xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16354.0
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: stringbeanpc on Jul 01, 08:46 PM 2017
bigmoney,

Thanks for your reply.

I have been testing what vaddi calls stage 1 and stage 2, up to a total of 8 numbers, with one difference.

When there is no repeat within this group of 8 numbers, stop betting and wait for a virtual win.

Once a virtual win has occured, resume betting the previous 8 numbers (ie stage 2)

I am not saying this is a better way or the correct way, simply it is an alternate method and more testing is needed.

Regards,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 13, 12:22 AM 2017
Hey guys try this out:

Track the last 12 outcomes. 

Trigger is when you get two repeat numbers within the
last 12 bet the newest nine numbers for up to four spins. 

Stop on a win.

Example: 12,0,14,19,11,26,0,24,31,8,1,11(newest spin-value)

Bet 11,1,8,31,24,0,26,19,14:  23(x)

Bet 23,11,1,8,31,24,0,26,19....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jul 13, 01:08 AM 2017
I was usong  the last 12 unquie  numbers using a 10 step progression  bank required  to start with $1  on each number $1300
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Ratwood85 on Jul 15, 12:02 AM 2017
Hi Guys, first sorry for my bad english... i'm newbie to this forum and my experienced in roulette is just about 5years
i already read on VADDIS HOLY GRAIL PUZZLE and think about it. here is my assumption (correct me if i'm wrong) :

1. X number is between 6 and 9 which is "8" ; 8numbers 8steps FLAT BET progression 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8 = 36 BREAK EVEN
Vaddis said "if you were to create the lowest level progression out of X numbers, the last winning number of that progression would bring your bankroll back to break-even"

2. As long as i read, Vaddis never talk about "Winning Goal Unit & Stop Loss"

3. Vaddis said "better and faster profits are within 24 - 74 spins"
better profits within 24-74spins means that it can goes worst in long run. “Quit/Stop when we are in profit”
Faster profits within 24-74spins means that if our balance is HIGHER from our starting BankRoll we better quit/stop. let me clear this up, if our starting BR is $100 and within 24-74spins we make some winnings (up & down) until our bankroll is $101 (higher than $100) WE ARE IN PROFIT. NO DOUBT !!!

4.  there are 2 playing styles, WITH TRIGGER or WITHOUT TRIGGER
WITH TRIGGER : Vaddis said “Look at the marquee and wait until there are NO REPEATS in your set of X numbers, then start betting on all those X numbers. Caching! :)” Vaddi believe that every spin is a new set of next 37spins. When we play WITH TRIGGER, we start playing when there is no repeat in 13spins when we enter the table, so we are ahead of 13spins without repeat and hope that the next 24spins some numbers do repeat. Why wait till 13spins ?? already tried wait for 8,9,10,11 and 12spins, and in my experience wait for 13spins would be better.

WITHOUT TRIGGER : Vaddi said “You can start betting on your magic X numbers at ANY TIME” if we enter the table and start betting it means that we totally play 37spins and hope that the repeat numbers appear early in 37spins cycles.

I prefer playing WITH TRIGGER because Vaddi said “Want more power, profits, and accuracy? Here's what to do ….bla…bla….bla and wait until there are NO REPEATS in your set of X numbers, then start betting on all those X numbers ”



So, that is my assumption based on Vaddi HOLY GRAIL Puzzle.. I’ll add another when I found something new..
For me, it will be better if we have a big BR to play this system. Better play with $10 base bet. So when in winning path we can se better balance than playing from $1 base bet. It is REASONABLE  if we think want to win big but remember that gambling looks alike rollercoaster, UP & DOWN significant and NO steady. So, be gratefull if we just win $1. THAT’S A PROFIT !!! No Doubt.

PS :
This system only work if you PATIENT, be patient and you'll see your balance grow.

Thanks…
>>RatWood85”
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 16, 02:29 AM 2017
alright here's this :)
=============
Bet Newest four Red and Black numbers (eight in play)

Change numbers with each new spin to the newest four of each

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses (flat-bet)

Example: 14,9,0,31,2,21,35,1,10(newest spin-value)

Bet 10,35,2,31 for Black and 1,21,9,14 for Red once:     1.) 13(x)

Bet 13,10,35,2 for Black and 1,21,9,14 for Red....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 16, 08:48 PM 2017
I noticed the following has a good hit rate

Bet the last three non-zero numbers and a number
numerically ahead and behind it (nine numbers in play)

Bet each new three numbers and its
compliments for up to four spins.  Stop on a win.

Example: 2,31,12(newest spin-value)

Bet 1,2,3  30,31,32   11,12,13 once:    1.) 19(x)

Bet 30,31,32  11,12,13  18,19,20....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 17, 06:08 PM 2017
Sector Play

European Wheel Neighbors-(Clockwise left to right)

0,32,15,19,4,21,2

25,17,34,6,27,13

36,11,30,8,23,10

5,24,16,33,1,20

14,31,9,22,18,29

7,28,12,35,3,26
--------------------------------
American Wheel Neighbors-(Clockwise Left to Right)

0,28,9,26,30,11,7

20,32,17,5,22,34

15,3,24,36,13,1,00

27,10,25,29,12,8

19,31,18,6,21,33

16,4,23,35,14,2
============
Note the newest two spin-values

Bet those two and three neighbors
counterclockwise (eight numbers in play)

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example:  21,3(newest spin-value European Wheel)

Bet 15,19,4,21    28,12,35,3 :    1.) 10(x)

Bet 28,12,35,3    30,8,23,10...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 18, 08:14 AM 2017
All High or All Low Natural Splits

(Natural Splits: 1/4, 2/5, 3/6, 7/10,
8/11, 9/12, 13/16, 14/17, 15/18--Low Splits

19/22, 20/23, 21/24, 25/28, 26/29,
27/30,31/34,32/35,33/36--High Splits)

Note the newest spin-value.  Is it High or Low?

If High bet the newest four High
natural splits and vice versa if Low

(Eight numbers in play)

Repeat steps with the new spin-values for each new spin

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 12,25,18,20,4,31,3,3,29 (newest spin-value)

Bet 26/29, 31/34, 20/23, 25/28 once:    1.) 36(x)

Bet 33/36, 26/29, 31/34, 20/23 once:    2.) 2(x)

Bet 2/5, 3/6, 1/4, 15/18 once:               3.)....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 19, 01:19 AM 2017
Column numbers play

Note the newest non-zero spin-value

Bet the four column numbers on either side once.

Repeat steps with each new spin-value. (nine numbers in play)

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: #17 (newest spin-value)

Bet 5,8,11,14,17,20,23,26,29 once:  1.) 30(x)

Bet 18,21,24,27,30,33,36,3,6....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Ratwood85 on Jul 19, 04:22 AM 2017
Based on all rx system in the world and the answer of Vaddis 1% missing is "BIAS WHEEL"
When we play a system and stick on it all we need is BIAS.
That's why no system work in long run event in short term play.. that's the fact..
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 19, 06:10 AM 2017
Having re-read the clues I think Vaddis
made up to four bets of eight unique numbers-

but 1 bet every 6 or seven minutes
with the marquee filled with new numbers.

Example: 27,13,29,28,18,24,26,30(newest spin-value)

Bet the last eight uniques once

(Wait for eight new numbers 6-8 minutes later

Bet the last eight uniques once more

*If no win still-wait for eight new numbers 6-8 minutes later

Bet the last eight uniques once again

*If no win wait for the last set of eight uniques 6-8 minutes later

Bet the last eight uniques
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jul 19, 07:27 AM 2017
This is good stuff will get cracking on this
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 19, 06:45 PM 2017
one more idea: 3-by-3 column numbers

Note the newest three separate columns to show

Bet those numbers and a column number
on each side of each (nine numbers in play)

Repeat steps with each new spin-value. 
Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example:  0,21,31,5,9,36 (newest spin-value)

Bet 28,31,34  2,5,8  33,36,3:    1.)23(x)

Bet 28,31,34  33,36,3  20,23,26....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 20, 06:52 AM 2017
No no no, all incorrect. Always stick to the magic number never deviate from it.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 20, 11:55 PM 2017
Per Vaddis' clues the 'magic' number
can be 7,8 or 9 so based on that here I go
==============
Ok here's one to try :)

Note the newest three Odd or Even
spin-values (depending on the last decision)

Bet those respective streets (nine numbers in play)

Repeat steps with each new
spin-value, changing streets as applicable

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 2,1,31,14,9,20 (newest spin-value)

Bet s19-21, s13-15, s1-3 once:    1.) 11(x)

Bet s10-12, s7-9, s31-33 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 21, 12:42 AM 2017
Last four Red Natural Splits vs Black Natural Splits

Note the newest four Red Numbers or Black
Numbers (depending on the newest spin-value)

If the last decision was Red bet the
respective Red number's natural splits

and vice versa if the last decision was Black

(eight numbers in play)

(Natural splits: 1/4, 2/5, 3/6, 7/10, 8/11, 9/12-first dozen
13/16, 14/17, 15/18, 19/22, 20/23, 21/24-second dozen

25/28, 26/29, 27/30, 31/34, 32/35, 33/36-third dozen
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Repeat steps for each new
spin-value.  Adjust the bets accordingly.

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses

Example: 12,31,9,2,32,27,26,5,11 (newest spin-value)

Bet 11/14,26/29,2/5,31/34 once:    1.) 21(x)

Bet 21/24, 5/2, 27/30, 32/35....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 21, 02:24 AM 2017
Four Plus Four High/Low Mirror Bets

Natural Lines and mirror opposites:
L1-6, L31-36: L7-12, L25-30: L13-18, L19-24

Note the newest non-zero spin-value

Bet that number, the unhit street part of the line
(four numbers) and the mirror opposite (four numbers)

(the bets should face toward or away from each other)

(eight numbers total in play)

Bet each new spin-value and its
compliment each time for up to four spins.

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: #2 (newest spin-value)

Bet 2,4,5,6 and its mirror opposite-35,31,32,33 once: 1.) 15(x)

Bet 15,16,17,18 and its mirror opposite-24,19,20,21....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 25, 03:18 AM 2017
After further study of Vaddis' notes this is what I have:

Track until you have nine uniques of the last 12 spins.

(If a numbers appears twice
(or more) in the last 12 spins do not use)

Bet the newest nine uniques once:

If miss, bet the newest nine uniques
again (including the new spin-value)

If miss again bet the newest nine....

Per the instructions you get 10 attempts (coded)

If you get a hit within four attempts you're in profit or break even.

On the fifth attempt you'll need two hits to get in profit.

After the eighth attempt you need three hits to get in profit.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jul 25, 02:16 PM 2017

No no no, all incorrect. Always stick to the magic number never deviate from it.


Are you referring to Vaddi's magic number of 8?  That may be the optimal number for his original method.

But proofreader's methods are deviating significantly from Vaddi's original method, so why should this (so-called) magic number still be 8? Any specific reason for your belief?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: denzie on Jul 25, 03:17 PM 2017
Quote
so why should this (so-called) magic number still be 8? Any specific reason for your belief?

Ah magic 8 .... Where did I hear that before ?
Although there's no grail with Vaddis
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jul 25, 10:18 PM 2017
Ah magic 8 .... Where did I hear that before ?
Although there's no grail with Vaddis

Denzie,
To be honest, Vaddi was one of the earliest promoters of the idea of going after repeats -- he was doing it well before you and Nottop arrived on the roulette scene advocating, roughly speaking, the same idea. :) :)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 26, 10:27 PM 2017
Check this out guys :)

High/Low Staggered Quads

These splits go together: 1/4 & 33/36:  7/10 & 27/30

13/16 & 21/24:  3/6 & 31/34:  9/12 & 25/28

15/18 & 19/22
------------------------------------------------------------
Note the newest spin-value-is it in the first or third column?
(if it is in second column note the last first or third column outcome)

Bet that quad and its High/Low compliment once

If hit end session, if miss repeat steps with the new spin-value

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: #1 (newest spin-value)-1/4 & 33/36

Bet 1,2,4,5 & 32,33,35,36 once:           1.) 17(x)

*look at the last first or third column outcome: #1
(#17 and first column split 13/16)

Bet 13,14,16,17 & 20,21,23,24 once:    2.) 25(x)

Bet 25,26,28,29 & 8,9,11,12 once....

Bankroll suggestion: eight units per session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: romano0327 on Jul 27, 07:32 AM 2017
Greetings to all, I am new on the forum but a long time roulette player, I have lots of respect towards you guys, I would like to be of help in your disscussions, by the way Proofreader's I am testing your aproach. Is it giving you good results?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 27, 05:59 PM 2017
so far so good.  Still more testing needed
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 28, 12:31 AM 2017
Got some free time and wanted to present this idea

Track Odd numbers and Even spin-values separately
(zero counts as Even)

Qualifier: Track until you have at least eight
Odd spin-values and eight Even spin-values

After the Qualifier bet the last eight Odd or Even
numbers (depending if the last decision was Odd or Even)

End session if win, otherwise bet again Odd or
Even numbers (including the last decision outcome)

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 21,5,13,7,14,9,35,11-Odd

Even: 2,32,8,0,4,18,22,30 (newest spin-value)

Since last decision was #30, bet the last 8 even numbers once

Bet 2,32,8,0,4,18,22,30:    1.) 29(x)

Bet 5,13,7,14,9,35,11,29....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 28, 09:40 PM 2017
Older system that had a good hit-rate

Note the newest non-zero
spin-value.  Is it High/Low, Odd or Even?

If it is High, Odd bet that number and
the other eight High Odd numbers once.

Same for High, Even and Low Odd/Even

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: #13 (newest spin-value)-Low, Odd

Bet 1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15 once:                 1.) 20(x)

Bet 20,22,24,26,28,30,32,34,36 once:    2.) 2(x)

Bet 2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 36 units per session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 29, 11:15 PM 2017
New idea, looking good in early tests

Bet the newest three natural splits and zero
(seven numbers in play)

(Natural splits: 1/4, 2/5, 3/6, 7/10, 8/11, 9/12-First Dozen

13/16, 14/17, 15/18, 19/22, 20/23, 21/24-Second Dozen

25/28, 26/29, 27/30, 31/34, 32/35, 33/36-Third Dozen)
------------------------------------------------------------------
If win end session, if miss bet with newest spin-value included

Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 21,31,4,9,36 (newest spin-value)

Bet 33/36, 9/12, 1/4 & zero once:    1.) 32(x)

Bet 32/35, 33/36, 9/12 & zero....

Bankroll suggestion: 35 units per session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: probasah on Jul 30, 03:26 PM 2017
Did anyone came close in finding the missing 1% ?

I do not get the  part of the "connected numbers". 1/2 2/3 ... etc

Anything can be simulated in excel or any programming language. Its not that difficult.

stage 1 is pretty straight forward bet numbers as they appear until 8 .
if stage 1 fails (-36 units) then what?

Alex
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: wiggy on Jul 30, 04:23 PM 2017
Maybe you guys need to look at things slightly different!

I had this idea......

Let's assume then you are working up to 8 original numbers. In addition you also add how many hits the streets are getting.

First number out is 10.

1. 10 = street 4.
2. 17 = street 6.
3. 18 = street 6. (street 6 now has two appearances, so you would bet any numbers from your list where a street has appeared twice)
4. 25 = street 9.
5. 1 = street 1.
6. 24 = street 8.
7. 32 = street 11.
8. 28 = street 10.

Now remove the first number which was 10.

Next number = 18 = street 6. You would have bet 2 chips x 6 spins = 12 chips and made a profit of 24 chips.

You could start again now. It's just an idea really and something I never considered before. By using the stats for a location like streets, you roughly know after 12 spins that you should get 8 originals and a few repeats or a 3peat or a 4peat. So why not try and use these stats to isolate which numbers to bet from your group of 8. It serves the purpose of reducing the outlay and taking advantage of anything hot. If nothing else, it's an idea that maybe can be built upon.

 
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jul 30, 04:42 PM 2017
Any other idea will indicate his total description is bogus. No value and to misguide people.his description is clear and doesnt work.clearly stated

1. Either 8 number
2.or 4 number

Actually there is no missing 1%. Its 99% missing.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 31, 09:06 PM 2017
Another shot at this.

Bet the newest nine numbers. 
(If a number repeats within the nine it only counts once)

Bet each new spin-value with each new outcome
(nine numbers in play)

You get 12 attempts total to get
into profit (12x9=108 units bankroll)

A good exit point is +30% over original starting bankroll
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Aug 01, 08:40 AM 2017
I dunno why he didnt offer better clues as we have some very smart people in this forum
Im currently  looking at 8 streets with a progression ...it would  go 1....3 ....9 ... in a series
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: probasah on Aug 01, 10:14 AM 2017
I dunno why he didnt offer better clues as we have some very smart people in this forum
Im currently  looking at 8 streets with a progression ...it would  go 1....3 ....9 ... in a series
Hi bigmoney

I call Vaddis HG a complete BS. I offer my coding skills for free to anyone that wants to test their system and prove me wrong. It just does not work. If there is a HG out there it has to win FLAT. All progression have failed in the past, are failing at the present and will continue to fail in the future.

Alex
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 05, 03:39 AM 2017
Insomnia this morning, so here's this :)

Track the newest two natural lines to show
(Natural lines: L1-6, L7-12, L13-18, L19-24, L25-30, L31-36)

Bet one chip on the last decision street and
two chips on the second newest Natural line once.

If win end session.  If lose repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 2,22 (newest spin-value)

Bet s22-24, L1-6 once:          1.) 13(x)

Bet s13-15, L19-24 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 12 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: probasah on Aug 05, 04:50 AM 2017
Insomnia this morning, so here's this :)

Track the newest two natural lines to show
(Natural lines: L1-6, L7-12, L13-18, L19-24, L25-30, L31-36)

Bet one chip on the last decision street and
two chips on the second newest Natural line once.

If win end session.  If lose repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 2,22 (newest spin-value)

Bet s22-24, L1-6 once:          1.) 13(x)

Bet s13-15, L19-24 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 12 units per session.

Proof,

None of the outside bets work. EC, dozens, lines, corners, split and all outside bets are all smoke and mirrors. It is all about numbers. It always has been about numbers.

Regards,
Alex
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 05, 05:21 AM 2017
@Probasah: Lines, Corners and Splits are inside bets-and are numbers
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: probasah on Aug 05, 06:00 AM 2017
@Probasah: Lines, Corners and Splits are inside bets-and are numbers
Proof

Ive tried this path before. It doesn't work for me. The only thing that did so far were single( individual numbers) and combinations of numbers. You can make any EC you want using the base cell of the wheel, the individual NUMBER.
All outside bets are dust in the wind. Think about the best way to veil the secret from the players eyes. The casino puts on tge table Big letter signs of RED/BLACK etc to keep your mind ocupied with imagining "magic" patterns that ultimately FAIL.
No MM will save you. Only flat bet and repeating numbers will.

Look at it this way: any bet except individual number bet fail because the principle is correct to follow repeaters but that applies ONLY TO NUMBERS.

If RED falls last spin and you follow the last and bet RED (correct principle but wrong figure) you will bet on 17 useless UNHIT numbers.

Do you see where im going?


Alex
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: boyd30 on Aug 05, 06:45 AM 2017
Tried to figure out Vaddis grail with no success. A few people except Vaddi may have luck with it. I concentrate on repeaters instead.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 06, 02:39 AM 2017
@probasah: Yes I see where you're going. Problem is all numbers
have a 1/37 or 1/38 American wheel to show, repeaters or not.

And, betting singles can be very expensive. 
Vaddis was ambiguous about what kind of bet,

just so they're inside bets, 7,8 or 9 numbers in play and
using the newest spin-value as a guide for the next bet.
==============================
Here's another idea: Adjacent dozen quads

Note the newest spin-value.  Is is first or third column?

(If it is second column look to the
newest first or third column as a guide)

Bet the hit quad and the quad
(same two columns) in the next dozen once.

Repeat steps with the newest spin-value if miss.

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: #13 (newest spin-value)

Bet 13,14,16,17 & 7,8,10,11 once:       1.) 20(x)

Using #13 as a guide-first column
Bet 19,20,22,23 & 25,26,28,29 once:    2.) 36(x)

Bet 32,33,35,36 & 2,3,5,6....

Bankroll suggestion: eight units per session

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: cht on Aug 06, 03:03 AM 2017
What if there's no pre-set betting clusters like EC, doz, columns, streets, lines.... on the carpet ?

Look at the wheel, do these clusters make sense on the wheel, eg. line#1 - #1,#2,#3 ? Look at their positions on the wheel, how are they related other than them being neighboring numbers in an arithmetic series ?

It serves to further randomnise an already random outcome packaged as an offer for cheaper betting.

Study the clusters positions and you will find that their assigned positions are arranged in fixed pattern. Memorise the patterns and when individual numbers come up you can imagine where the ball lands on the wheel. Or another way is to know what possible numbers came up as the ball lands on a particular sector of the wheel. It's a skill to acquire.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 06, 10:36 AM 2017
Numbers are numbers any number can show at
any given time.  Biased wheel perhaps but not likely.
==============================
Odd/Odd or Even/Even Streets Plus Zero

Note the newest two Odd numbers or Even
Numbers (depending on the last decision outcome)

Bet the two corresponding streets and zero once.

If win end session, if lose repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 21,30,2,15 (newest spin-value)

Bet 19,20,21   13,14,15 and 0 once:    1.) 24(x)

Bet 1,2,3   22,23,24 and 0 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 35 units per session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 07, 01:41 AM 2017
High and Low Quads

Track the newest High and Low
spin-values.  Are they first or third column?

(If second column use the newest first or third column as a guide)

Bet the respective two quads once.  If win end
session if lose repeat steps with the newest spin-values.

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 10,36 (newest spin-value)

Bet 7,8,10,11 and 32,33,35,36 once:        1.) 17(x)

(use the newest first or third column as a guide)
third column is the newest between first and third columns

Bet 14,15,17,18 and 32,33,35,36 once:    2.) 22(x)

First column is newest so bets will lean first column

Bet 13,14,16,17 and 19,20,22,23 once....

Bankroll suggestion: eight units per session

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 08, 12:19 AM 2017
Separate Column Splits Combination

Column splits: 1/4, 2/5, 3/6, 7/10, 8/11, 9/12-First Dozen

13/16, 14/17, 15/18, 19/22, 20/23, 21/24-Second Dozen

25/28, 26/29, 27/30, 31/34, 32/35, 33/36-Third Dozen
------------------------------------------------------------------
Note the newest two columns to show

Bet the newest column split and the decision before last column split-
along with a split on either side of the second newest split once.

(eight numbers in play)

If hit end session.  If miss repeat steps with the new spin-values.

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 7,19,27 (newest spin-value)

Bet 27/30 (newest column split), 19/22, 13/16, 25/28 once.

1.) 2(x)

Bet 2/5 (newest column split), 27/30,21/24,33/36 once.

2.) 15(x)

Bet 15/18 (newest column split), 2/5,32/35,8/11 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 16 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 08, 10:18 AM 2017
Newest Two Dozens Column Splits

Column splits: 1/4, 2/5, 3/6, 7/10, 8/11, 9/12-First Dozen

13/16, 14/17, 15/18, 19/22, 20/23, 21/24-Second Dozen

25/28, 26/29, 27/30, 31/34, 32/35, 33/36-Third Dozen
------------------------------------------------------------------
Note the newest two dozens to show.

Bet the two corresponding column splits
from each dozen once.  If win end session. 

If miss repeat steps with the new
spin-values (changing dozens as necessary)

(eight numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 12,35,16,0,2,25 (newest spin-value)

Bet 25/28,32/35 and 2/5,9/12 once:    1.) 15(x)

Bet 15/18,13/16 and 25/28,32/35....

Bankroll suggestion: 16 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 08, 11:56 AM 2017
High and Low Column "Street" with Natural Line

Column "streets"-Low
1,4,7:  2,5,8:  3,6,9

10,13,16:  11,14,17: 12,15,18
----------------------------------
High Column "streets"
19,22,15:  20,23,26:  21,24,27

28,31,34:  29,32,35:  30,33,36
-----------------------------------
Natural lines: L1-6, L7-12, L13-18
L19-24, L25-30, L31-36
--------------------------------------
Note the newest High and Low spin-values.

Bet the corresponding newest "street" for the last decision
and Natural line for the opposite High/Low value once.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

(nine numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 12,18,31,36(newest spin-value)

Bet 30,33,36 and 13,14,15,16,17,18 once:    1.) 11(x)

Bet 11,14,17 and 31,32,33,34,35,36 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 09, 02:34 AM 2017
Red and Black Column Splits

Column splits: 1/4, 2/5, 3/6, 7/10, 8/11, 9/12-First Dozen

13/16, 14/17, 15/18, 19/22, 20/23, 21/24-Second Dozen

25/28, 26/29, 27/30, 31/34, 32/35, 33/36-Third Dozen
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Note the newest non-zero spin-value and it color.

If it is Red bet the four newest
corresponding natural splits once.

Vice versa if the newest spin-value is Black.

If win end session.  If miss, bet with the newest spin-values.

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 4,21,5,13,0,25,10,22,2,35,19 (newest spin-value)

Bet 19/22, 25/28, 5/2, 21/24 once:    1.) 26(x)

Bet 26/29, 35/32, 22/19, 2/5 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 09, 03:28 AM 2017
It seems a repeater (from a unique number) would show every 10
minutes with seven unique numbers available on display on the marquee.

That said it's safe to assume he played the newest
seven uniques every 10 minutes up to five attempts.

Not sure if this is a grail, but a working theory atm.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 09, 10:46 AM 2017
Column "Streets" Combination

Column "streets"-Low
1,4,7:  2,5,8:  3,6,9

10,13,16:  11,14,17: 12,15,18
----------------------------------
High Column "streets"
19,22,15:  20,23,26:  21,24,27

28,31,34:  29,32,35:  30,33,36

Note the newest two column streets.  Bet
those two sets of numbers and zero once.

If win end session. If miss
rebet with the newest spin-values.

(seven numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 23,19 (newest spin-value)

Bet 19,22,25     20,23,26 & 0:    1.) 3(x)

Bet 3,6,9     19,22,25 & 0....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 10, 09:58 PM 2017
Red Natural Line Numbers &
Black Natural Line Numbers Plus Zero


Note the newest Red and Black
spin-values and their Natural Lines

(Natural Lines:
L1-6, L7-12, L13-18, L19-24, L25-30, L31-36)

Bet all of the Red numbers from the Red
spin-value's Line and vice-versa for Black

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 21,0,2 (newest spin-value)

Bet 19,21,23     2,4,6 & 0 once:    1.) 3(x)

Bet 2,4,6     1,3,5 & 0....

Bankroll suggestion: 35 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 11, 06:36 AM 2017
Separate Column Splits Plus One on Either Side

Column splits: 1/4, 2/5, 3/6, 7/10, 8/11, 9/12-First Dozen

13/16, 14/17, 15/18, 19/22, 20/23, 21/24-Second Dozen

25/28, 26/29, 27/30, 31/34, 32/35, 33/36-Third Dozen
------------------------------------------------------------------
Note the two newest columns to show.  Bet the corresponding
column splits and a column number on either side of those bets.

*Two chips on splits, one chip on singles.

If win end session.  If miss repeat steps with the new spin-values.

(eight numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 20,10 (newest spin-value)

Bet 20/23,17,26 and 7/10,4,13 once:    1.) 1(x)

Bet 20/23,17,26 and 1/4,34,7.....

Bankroll suggestion: 32 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 11, 07:31 PM 2017
Newest Two Dozen's Numbers Plus Zero

Note the newest two dozens to show.  Bet the newest
three numbers respectively in each dozen plus zero.

If win end session.  If miss, change bets with the
newest spin-values (changing dozens if necessary)

(seven numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 12,21,0,31,2,22,9,35,25 (newest spin-value)

Bet 25,35,31 & 9,2,12,0 once:    1.) 13(x)

Bet 25,35,31 & 13,22,21,0....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 12, 08:49 AM 2017
Eight Newest Uniques Odd Dominant

Track until you have eight unique numbers. (Zero=Even)
Bet only when Odd equals or is dominant over Even numbers.

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 22,31,5,10,36,3,12,6:  Evens=5:  Odd=3

31,5,10,36,3,12,6,1:  Evens=4:  Odd=4 (trigger)

Bet 31,5,10,36,3,12,6,1:    1.) 26(x)

5,10,36,3,12,6,1,26:  Evens=5:  Odd=3 (do not bet)

10,36,3,12,6,1,26,7:  Evens=5:  Odd=3 (do not bet)

36,3,12,6,1,26,7,11:  Evens=4:  Odd=4 (trigger)

Bet 36,3,12,6,1,26,7,11....

Bankroll suggestion: 32 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 13, 07:52 AM 2017
Decision Before Last Three-Dozen Splits Plus Zero

Column splits: 1/4, 2/5, 3/6, 7/10, 8/11, 9/12-First Dozen

13/16, 14/17, 15/18, 19/22, 20/23, 21/24-Second Dozen

25/28, 26/29, 27/30, 31/34, 32/35, 33/36-Third Dozen
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Note the two newest non-zero spin values.

Bet the decision before last column split & the respective
column splits in the other two dozens once and zero.

If hit end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

*bet two chips on each split and a chip on zero

Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 20,1(newest spin-value)

Bet 8/11, 20/23, 32/35 & 0:    1.) 7(x)

Bet 1/4, 13/16, 25/28 & 0....

Bankroll suggestion: 35 units per session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 13, 06:12 PM 2017
Three-Streets Pivot

Note the newest two non-zero
spin-values.  Are they ascending or descending?

If the numbers are descending bet the last street to show and
the two numerically lower streets and vice-versa if ascending.

If win end session.  If miss, repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

(nine numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 12,15 (newest spin-value)-ascending

Bet s13-15, s16-18, s19-21 once:    1.) 4(x)

Bet s4-6, s1-3, s34-36 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 12 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 17, 08:20 AM 2017
Last Two Column and Dozen-Adjacent Natural Splits

Column splits: 1/4, 2/5, 3/6, 7/10, 8/11, 9/12-First Dozen

13/16, 14/17, 15/18, 19/22, 20/23, 21/24-Second Dozen

25/28, 26/29, 27/30, 31/34, 32/35, 33/36-Third Dozen
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note the newest two natural splits.

Bet those splits and their dozen adjacent splits once.

If win end session.  If miss
repeat steps with the new spin-values.

(eight numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 11,21 (newest spin-values)

Bet  8/11,14/17 & 21/24, 27/30 once.

1.) 31(x)

Bet 31/34, 1/4 & 21/24, 27/30....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 18, 02:23 AM 2017
Last Three High or Low Streets

Note the newest spin-value.  Is it High or Low?

If High bet the newest three
High streets and vice-versa if Low.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

(nine numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 22,9,13,0,9,23,7,1,31,17,12,19 (newest spin-value)

Bet s19-21, s31-33, s22-24 once:    1.) 4(x)

Bet s4-6, s10-12, s16-18....

Bankroll suggestion: 12 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 18, 06:30 AM 2017
Four-Groups of Column "Streets" and Zero

Column "Streets"
1,4,7     2,5,8     3,6,9-Group A

10,13,16     11,14,17     12,15,18-Group B

19,22,25     20,23,26     21,24,27-Group C

28,31,34     29,32,35     30,33,36-Group D
----------------------------------------------------------
Note the two newest groups to show.  Bet the
three numbers from both groups and zero once.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

(seven numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 1,5,18 (newest spin-value)

Bet 2,5,8     12,15,18 & 0 once:     1.) 21(x)

Bet 12,15,18     21,24,27 & 0:        2.) 14(x)

Bet 21,24,27     11,14,17 & 0....

Bankroll suggestion: 35 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 19, 03:25 AM 2017
Eight Unique Numbers Repeat Street Trigger

Track until you have eight unique numbers.  Bet when a
street repeats *not a repeat number* Bet all eight once. 

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 12,3,31,4,0,14,34,19 (eight uniques *do not bet*)

3,31,4,0,14,34,19,1 (trigger)

Bet 3,31,4,0,14,34,19,1 once:    1.) 35(x)

Bet 31,4,0,14,34,19,1,35....

Bankroll suggestion: 32 units per session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 19, 04:52 PM 2017
Staggered Dozen Natural Splits and Zero

Column splits: 1/4, 2/5, 3/6, 7/10, 8/11, 9/12-First Dozen

13/16, 14/17, 15/18, 19/22, 20/23, 21/24-Second Dozen

25/28, 26/29, 27/30, 31/34, 32/35, 33/36-Third Dozen
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note the newest natural column split. 

If that split is first or third column, bet
the same line split in first or third column

and the staggered split in the middle column and zero once.

*two chips on splits and one chip on zero.
If win end session.  If miss, repeat steps with the newest spin-value.

(seven numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: #12 (newest spin-value)

Bet 9/12, 2/5, 7/10 & zero once:    1.) #20(x)

Bet 20/23,15/18,13/16 & zero once....

Bankroll suggestion: 35 units per session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 21, 06:35 AM 2017
Two Red vs Black 'Streets' and Zero

Note the newest two Red and Black spin-values.

If the newest spin-value is Red bet the corresponding
streets with the two newest Red numbers and zero.

and vice versa if the newest spin-value is Black.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values. 

(seven numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 11,0,13,25,1,35,7(newest spin-value)

Bet 7,8,9     1,2,3 & 0 once:     1.) 6(x)

Bet 4,5,6     34,35,36 & 0.....

Bankroll suggestion: 35 units per session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: celescliff on Aug 21, 08:51 AM 2017
What exactly does your systems have in common with what the topic is about?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 21, 09:23 AM 2017
Well, from what I understand the rules
were loose enough to be left to interpretation:

1.) Inside bets
2.) 7,8 or nine numbers bet
3.) always uses the newest spin-value
4.) usually in profit within 24 spins

I figure as long as it works fairly reasonably I'm good.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: romano0327 on Aug 21, 12:14 PM 2017
Proofreaders out of all the variations that you posted, did you find any succesful approach to using Vaddis principles?

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 21, 02:38 PM 2017
Two Red vs Black 'Streets' and Zero had
the best hit-rate of the ones I've posted.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 23, 01:13 AM 2017
Odd/Even Three Ahead and Behind

Note the newest non-zero
spin-value.  Is it Odd or Even?

If Odd bet three Odd numbers
numerically higher and lower once

and vice-versa if the last decision is Even.

If win end session.  If lose repeat
steps with the newest spin-value.

(seven numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: #13 (newest spin-value)

Bet 13    15,17,19    11,9,7 once:    1.) 34(x)

Bet 34    36,2,4     32,30,28 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 35 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 24, 04:29 AM 2017
Eight Newest Uniques High Dominant

Track until you have eight unique numbers. Bet only
when High equals or is dominant over Low numbers.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-value.

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example:  25,1,8,21,32,6,23,35:   Highs=5:    Lows=3

Bet 25,1,8,21,32,6,23,35 once:    1.) 0(x)

1,8,21,32,6,23,35,0:    Highs=4:     Lows=3

Bet 1,8,21,32,6,23,35,0 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 32 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 24, 02:20 PM 2017
Last Three 'Red vs Black Natural Lines'

Natural Lines: L1-6, L7-12,
L13-18, L19-24, L25-30, L31-36

Note the newest non-zero
spin-value.  Is is Red or Black?

If Red bet all of the Red numbers in the last
three natural lines to show and vice versa if Black.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-value.

(nine numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 21,1,14,33,9 (newest spin-value)

Last three natural lines to show: L7-12, L31-36, L13-18

Bet 7,9,12     32,34,36     14,16,18 once:    1.) 26(x)

Last three natural lines to show: L25-30, L7-12, L31-36

Bet 26,28,29     8,10,11     31,33,35 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 36 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 25, 08:15 PM 2017
Eight Newest Uniques Black Dominant

Track until you have eight unique numbers. Bet only
when Black equals or is dominant over Red numbers.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-value.

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 2,35,19,31,15,18,21,30:  Black=4:    Red=4

Bet 2,35,19,31,15,18,21,30 once:    1.) 3(x)

35,19,31,15,18,21,30,3:  Black=3:    Red=5 (do not bet)

19,31,15,18,21,30,3,20:  Black=3:    Red=5 (do not bet)

31,15,18,21,30,3,20,2:    Black=4:    Red=4 (trigger)

Bet 31,15,18,21,30,3,20,2 once:      2.)  ....

Bankroll suggestion: 32 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 26, 05:29 PM 2017
Newest Three Column Numbers, Mirrors and Zero

These numbers go together:
Column 3,36: 6,33: 9,30: 12,27: 15,24: 18,21

Column 2,35: 5,32: 8,29: 11,26: 14,23: 17,20

Column 1,34: 4,31: 7,28: 10,25: 13,22: 16,19
--------------------------------------------------------------
Note the newest number
from each of the three columns.

Bet those three, their respective
mirror compliments and zero once.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

(seven numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 21,33,1,21,35 (newest spin-value)

Bet 1,34     21,18     35,2 & 0 once:     1.) 15(x)

Bet 1,34     15,24     35,2 & 0 once:     2.) ....

Bankroll suggestion:  35 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 28, 12:44 AM 2017
Red and Black Before and After with Zero

Note the newest Red and Black spin-values.

Bet those two, the Red/Black number behind
and above numbers respectively with zero once.

If win end session.  If lose repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

(seven numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 20,9 (newest spin-values)

Bet 17,20,22     7,9,12 & 0 once:      1.) 36(x)

Bet 17,20,22     34,36,1 & 0 once:    2.)  ....

Bankroll suggestion: 35 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 02, 01:50 AM 2017
Newest Seven Numbers from the Last Two Dozens

Bet the seven newest numbers from the last two dozens.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

(If a new dozen is the outcome
bet that dozens, newest spin-values)

Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 20,5,31,15,17,1,35,12,16,25 (newest spin-value)

Bet the newest seven numbers from
third & second dozens (new to older)

Bet 25,16,35,17,15,31,20 once:    1.) 3(x)

Newest dozens: first & third dozen

Bet 3,25,12,35,1,31,5 once:           2.) ....

Bankroll suggestion: 35 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 04, 04:17 PM 2017
Eight Number Pivot

Note the newest two non-zero spin-values. 
Are they numerically ascending or descending?

If ascending bet the newest spin-value along with seven
numerically higher numbers once and vice-versa if descending.

If win end session. 
If miss, restart with the two newest spin-values.

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 12,16 (newest spin-value)

Bet 16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23 once:     1.) 3(x)

Bet 3,2,1,36,35,34,33,32 once:            2.) ....

Bankroll suggestion: 32 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 04, 10:54 PM 2017
Newest Street in Each Dozen

Locate the newest spin-value from each
dozen.  Bet the three respective streets once.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

(nine numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 23,19,0,4,29 (newest spin-value)

Bet s28-30, s4-6, s19-21 once:    1.) 1(x)

Bet s1-3, s28-30, s19-21 once:    2.) ....

Bankroll suggestion: 12 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 05, 11:32 AM 2017
Two Newest Red vs Black Natural Column Splits & Mirrors

Natural Column Splits:
1/4, 2/5, 3/6, 7/10, 8/11, 9/12-First Dozen

13/16, 14/17, 15/18, 19/22, 20/23, 21/24-Second Dozen

25/28, 26/29, 27/30, 31/34, 32/35, 33/36-Third Dozen
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
These splits go together (mirrors): 1/4, 31/34:   7/10,25/28
13/16, 19/22:    2/5, 32/35:    8/11, 26/29:    14/17, 20/23

3/6, 33/36:    9/12, 27/30:    15/18, 21/24
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note the newest two Black or Red Numbers.

If the newest spin-value is Red bet the corresponding
two newest Red splits and their mirror compliments once. 

Bet vice versa if the newest spin-value is Black.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

(eight numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 30,0,14,17,31,1 (newest spin-value)

Bet 1/4, 31/34 & 14/17,20/23 once:    1.) 11(x)

Bet 8/11, 26/29 & 31/34, 1/4 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 16 units per session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 06, 02:01 AM 2017
Three Newest Odd & Even Numbers w/Zero

Bet the newest three Odd and
Even spin-values with zero once.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

(seven numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 12,31,1,9,13,20,36 (newest spin-values)

Bet 36,20,12 & 13,9,1,0 once:      1.) 29(x)

Bet 29,13,9 & 36,20,12,0 once:    2.) ....

Bankroll suggestion: 35 units per session

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 06, 10:43 PM 2017
Half Moon Mini-Sectors

European Wheel

Right of Zero                                        Left of Zero
32,15,19         4,21,2                            5,24,16          22,18,29               
25,17,34         6,27,13                          33,1,20          7,28,12
36,11,30         8,23,10                          14,31,9          35,3,26
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
American Wheel

Right of Zero                                        Left of Zero
28,9,26            30,11,7                         27,10,25          29,12,8
20,32,17          5,22,34                         19,31,18          6,21,33
15,3,24            36,13,1                         16,4,23            35,14,2
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note the newest non-zero
spin-value.  Which half of the wheel is it on?

If it is left of zero bet the three
newest 'left of zero' sectors of three.

Also vice versa if the last
decision outcome is 'right of zero'.

If win end session.  If lose repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example (European Wheel):
21,10,31,9,1,32,27 (newest spin-value)

Bet 6,27,13     32,15,19     4,21,2 once:      1.) 26(x)

Bet 35,3,26     33,1,20       14,31,9 once:    2.) ....

Bankroll suggestion:  36 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 13, 09:41 PM 2017
Newest Eight Numbers Second Dozen Dominant

Look at the newest eight outcomes.  Is the second
dozen dominant or tied for dominant dozen? (qualifier)

Bet the newest eight spin-values if they qualify.

If win end session.  If miss only bet the newest
eight with the newest spin-value (if it qualifies).

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 12,13,0,9,1,35,18,2 (newest spin-value)-
1st dozen dominant (do not bet)

13,0,9,1,35,18,2,19 (newest spin-value)
2nd dozen tied with 1st dozen for dominant (trigger)

Bet 13,0,9,1,35,18,2,19 once:    1.) 11(x)

0,9,1,35,18,2,19,11 (newest spin-value)-1st dozen dominant
(do not bet)

9,1,35,18,2,19,11,21 (newest spin-value)-1st dozen dominant
(do not bet)

1,35,18,2,19,11,21,17 (newest spin-value)-2nd dozen dominant*

Bet 1,35,18,2,19,11,21,17 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 32 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 13, 11:58 PM 2017
Newest and Oldest Dozens' Streets with Zero

Note the newest and the oldest dozens
to show and their respective streets. 

Bet those two streets and zero once.

If win end session, if miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

(seven numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 21,9,13,14,31 (newest spin-value)

Bet 7,8,9     31,32,33,0 once:    1.) 17(x)

Bet 7,8,9     16,17,18,0 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 35 units per session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 15, 01:22 AM 2017
'Count Five Down' Three Separate Streets

Procedure: Bet the current hit street, the fifth
outcome's street and the ninth outcome's street (ignore zeros)

*If there's no clear trigger wait one spin for the next outcome.

If win end session, if miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

(nine numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 9,25,31,6,1,23,36,2,18 (newest spin-value)

Bet s16-18, s1-3, s7-9 once:    1.) 30(x)

Bet s28-30, s22-24, s25-27....

Bankroll suggestion: 12 units per session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 15, 07:34 PM 2017
Red/Black Dozen's Numbers and Zero

Note the newest spin-value. 
What color is it? What Dozen?

Bet newest outcome's spin-value and the same
color numbers in that dozen with zero once.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-value.

(seven numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 21,0,5 (newest spin-value)

Bet 1,3,5,7,9,12,0 once:    1.) 26(x)

Bet 26,28,29,31,33,35,0 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 35 units per session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 15, 10:36 PM 2017
Four Consecutive Even-Chances Trigger Number Builder

Track until you have four consecutive
of the same even chance, all uniques:

21,2,15,7,9 (newest spin-values)

H  L  L  L  L (trigger):      L   H   H   H    H

O  E  E  E  E (trigger):     E   O   O   O    O

R   B  B  B  B (trigger):   B   R    R   R     R 

Bet the last five outcomes.  Add
each new spin-value if it misses:

Example:  21,9,7,5,2 (trigger)

Bet 21,9,7,5,2:            1.) 0(x)

Bet 21,9,7,5,2,0:         2.) 17(x)

Bet 21,9,7,5,2,0,17:    3.) .....

Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses:
(the fifth bet will have nine numbers in play)

Bankroll suggestion: 35 units per session.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 17, 01:56 PM 2017
Four Newest Un-natural Splits

Un-natural splits:
1,34, 2,35, 3,36:   4/7, 5/8, 6/9, 10/13:

11/14, 12/15:   16/19, 17/20, 18/21:   
22/25, 23/26, 24/27:   28/31, 29/32, 30/33

Procedure: Note the newest four
un-natural splits.  Bet them once.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
step with the newest spin-values.

(eight numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 21,5,13,6 (newest spin-value)

Bet 6/9, 10/13, 5/8, 18/21 once:    1.) 2(x)

Bet 2/35, 6/9, 10/13, 5/8....

Bankroll suggestion: 32 units per session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 17, 05:14 PM 2017
Three Column 'Streets' Pivot

Note the newest spin-value from each column.

The newest two spin values.  Are
they numerically ascending or descending?

If ascending bet the last hit
number from each column and the two

numbers same column ascending
and vice versa if descending once.

If win end session.  If miss repeat
steps with the newest spin-values.

(nine numbers in play)
Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 7,30,13,11 (newest spin-value)

13,11 numerically descending

Bet 11,8,5     13,10,7     30,27,24 once:    1.) 31(x)

11,31 numerically ascending

Bet 31,34,1     11,14,17     30,33,36....

Bankroll suggestion: 36 units per session

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 18, 04:26 AM 2017
Eight Numbers Third Column Dominant

Track the last eight outcomes until the third column
numbers equal or dominant over the others. (qualifier)

Bet the last eight numbers once.

If win end session.  If miss, bet using
the newest spin-values (if it qualifies).

Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 1,20,3,15,1,13,2,10 (newest spin-value)

Third Column=2:     First Column=4:   Second Column=2

(Do not bet)

20,3,15,1,13,2,10,9 (newest spin-value)

Third Column=3:     First Column=3:   Second Column=2
(trigger)

Bet 20,3,15,1,13,2,10,9 once:    1.) ....

Bankroll suggestion: 32 units per session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 08, 01:16 AM 2018
Okay I think I have all of the pieces to this one.

Vaddis tracks until he has a minimum
of seven uniques then makes hit first bet.

As long as he has 7,8 or 9 uniques he makes bets.

If it goes to ten uniques or more he starts over tracking.

According to his bankroll he makes
12 attempts to get into profit, flat-betting.

Minimum bankroll required: 108 units at $1/number

216 units at $2/number: 324 units at $3/number...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 08, 02:55 AM 2018
re: "All of the Pieces"

Track the seven newest uniques (they don't have to be consecutive)

Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Thursday, February 8,2018 @ 1:42am CST USA

...34,27,9,15,4,30,36 (newest spin-value)-qualifier

Bet newest seven uniques:    1.) 31(x)-7

Bet newest eight uniques:      2.) 6(x)-8

Bet newest nine uniques:       3.) 6(win)+27
----------------------------------------------------------------------
+12
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Thursday, February 8,2018 @ 1:45am CST USA

...8,19,3,0,34,1,31 (newest spin-value)-qualifier

Bet newest seven uniques:    1.) 12(x)-7

Bet newest eight uniques:      2.) 9(x)-8

Bet newest nine uniques:       3.) 12(win)+27
-------------------------------------------------------------------
+12
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 08, 03:49 AM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Thursday, February 8,2018 @ 1:57am CST USA

...17,0,28,16,6,24,35 (newest spin-value)

Bet newest seven uniques:    1.) 0(x)+29
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Thursday, February 8,2018 @ 1:58am CST USA

...33,25,14,21,23,28,36 (newest spin-value)

Bet last seven uniques:    1.) 7(x)-7

Bet last eight uniques:      2.) 35(x)-8

Bet last nine uniques:       3.) 22(x)-9
--------------------------------------------------------------
-24

Track seven new uniques...

...5,2,3,0,7,24,22 (newest spin-value)

Bet last seven uniques:    1.) 31(x)-7

Bet last eight uniques:      2.) 0(win)+28
----------------------------------------------------------------
+21

Track seven new uniques...

...8,18,21,36,6,26,15 (newest spin-value)

Bet last seven uniques:    1.) 11(x)-7

Bet last eight uniques:      2.) 13(x)-8

Bet last nine uniques:       3.) 35(x)-9
-------------------------------------------------------------
-24

Track seven new uniques...

...18,19,8,15,25,23,27 (newest spin-value)

Bet last seven uniques:    1.) 23(win)+27
------------------------------------------------------------
Track seven newest uniques...

...18,19,18,15,25,27,34 (newest spin-value)

Bet last seven uniques:      1.) 12(x)-7

Bet last eight uniques:        2.) 8(win)+28
--------------------------------------------------------------------
+21
==============================
-21+21-24+27+21=+21 grand total this session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 08, 04:10 AM 2018
***Correction***

-24+21-24+27+21=24 grand total last session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 08, 04:42 AM 2018
***Correction***

re: The last part of the latest session

Bet last seven uniques: (shd be)
...18,19,8,15,25,27,34 (newest spin-value)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 08, 12:46 PM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Thursday, February 8,2018 @ 11:36am CST USA

...5,36,23,12,24,19,30 (newest spin-value)

Bet newest seven uniques:    1.) 30(win)+29
==============================
Test: Celtic Casio American Wheel-
Thursday, February 8,2018 @ 11:38am CST USA

...30,35,21,1,00,10,0 (newest spin-value)

Bet newest seven uniques:    1.) 20(x)-7

Bet newest eight uniques:     2.) 10(win)+28
---------------------------------------------------------------------
+21
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Feb 08, 04:15 PM 2018
I take it that it’s a one spin bet every time flatbet
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 08, 08:38 PM 2018
up to three spins flatbet-stop & retrack new uniques on a win:

seven uniques bet, eight uniques, nine uniques bet

Repeat steps until in profit.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 08, 09:29 PM 2018
Here is Track Four software for tracking unique singles.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 08, 11:15 PM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Thursday, February 8,2018 @ 8:51pm CST USA

0,1,33,29,20,26,30 (newest spin-value)

Bet last seven uniques:    1.) 19(x)-7

Bet last eight uniques:      2.) 35(x)-8

Bet last nine uniques:       3.) 8(x)-9

Track seven new unique singles

...16,18,6,23,17,27,36 (newest spin-value)

Bet last seven uniques:    1.) 31(x)-7

Bet last eight uniques:     2.) 20(x)-8

Bet last nine uniques:       3.) 19(x)-9

Track seven new unique singles.

...24,8,22,5,35,29,13,31 (newest spin-value)

Bet last seven unique singles:    1.) 8(x)-7

Bet last eight unique singles:      2.) 34(x)-8

Bet last nine unique singles:       3.) 10(x)-9

Track seven new uniques.

...20,14,2,29,28,1,36 (newest spin-value)

Bet last seven unique singles:   1.) 33(x)-7

Bet last eight unique singles:     2.) 34(x)-8

Bet last nine unique singles:      3.) 29(win)+27
------------------------------------------------------------------
+12

Track seven new uniques.

...12,29,6,17,31,23,32 (newest spin-value)

Bet last seven unique singles:    1.) 29(win)+29

Track seven new uniques.

...2,34,22,26,7,6,31 (newest spin-value)

Bet last seven unique singles:    1.) 11(x)-7

Bet last eight unique singles:      2.) 31(win)+28
------------------------------------------------------------------
+21

Track seven new uniques.

...20,16,18,15,4,22,2 (newest spin-value)

Bet last seven unique singles:    1.) 4(win)+29
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Grand total this session: +19
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 09, 01:07 PM 2018
Lol. I quickly went through the previous comments, I didn't find how does this system work !

It sounds a top-secret system.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: boyd30 on Feb 09, 01:20 PM 2018
Proof I don't think your last idea is vaddis holy grail. Got these results in test live spins -24, +29, -24, -24, -24, +21, +29, -24, -24. A total of -65.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 09, 01:31 PM 2018
Vladislav 's "holy grail" !
Is it really a HG ? Does it work ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 09, 01:50 PM 2018
Proof I don't think your last idea is vaddis holy grail. Got these results in test live spins -24, +29, -24, -24, -24, +21, +29, -24, -24. A total of -65.

You have a Bankroll of 108 units/$1
number.  You keep playing until in profit.

A total of -65 means you have 43 units remaining to bet.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: boyd30 on Feb 09, 02:24 PM 2018
You have a Bankroll of 108 units/$1
number.  You keep playing until in profit.

A total of -65 means you have 43 units remaining to bet.

Ok, let's test it more.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 09, 11:19 PM 2018
bad news folks
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Friday, February 9,2018 @ 9:07pm CST USA

...2,7,13,9,15,24,26,16 (newest spin-value)

Bet last seven uniques:    1.) 28(x)-7

Bet last eight uniques:      2.) 4(x)-8

Bet last nine uniques:       3.) 26(win)+27
-------------------------------------------------------------
+12
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Friday, February 9,2018 @ 9:11pm CST USA

Session total: -24-24-24+12-24-24=-108
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 03, 08:34 PM 2018
 Betting last 9 nrs.  One out when one in.

Flat bet.  Not perfect: it offers no alternative or opposite balance when only few repeaters show in the last 9 nrs.  Still showing a bit of hope..

Another file on desk...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 04, 03:07 AM 2018
*so far so good with this new tactic

I have been trying to build to seven uniques like this:

#23 (newest spin-value)

Bet #23:    1.) 4(x)-1

Bet 23,4:    2.) 20(x)-2

Bet 23,4,20...

(if it wins restart with the last decision single outcome.)

If it 'builds' to seven:

Example: ...23,4,20,6,7 (newest spin-value)
*sive consecutive unique single outcomes

Bet 23,4,20,6,7:    1.) 0(x)-5

Bet 23,4,20,6,7,0:    2.) 1(x)-6

Bet 23,4,20,6,7,0,1:    3.) 22(x)-7*

*At this point bet the newest seven uniques
(until in profit for the session)

Bet 4,20,6,7,0,1,22:    4.) 5(x)-7

Bet 20,6,7,0,1,22,5:    5.) 19(x)-7

Bet 6,7,0,1,22,5,19:    6.) 7(win)+29

(six uniques left, wait one spin)...15 (trigger)

Bet 6,0,1,22,5,19,15:    7.) 34(x)-7

Bet 0,1,22,5,19,15,34...
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Wednesday, April 4,2018 @ 2:03am CDT USA

...#3 (newest spin-value)

Bet #3:    1.) 16(x)-1

Bet 3,16:    2.) 16(win)+34
-----------------------------------------------------------------
+33

...#16 (newest spin-value)

Bet #16:    1.) 26(x)-1

Bet 16,26:    2.) 15(x)-2

Bet 16,26,15:    3.) 10(x)-3

Bet 16,26,15,10:    4.) 0(x)-4

Bet 16,26,15,10,0:    5.) 28(x)-5

Bet 16,26,15,10,0,28:    6.) 2(x)-6

Bet 16,26,15,10,0,28,2:    7.) 2(win)+29
-------------------------------------------------------
+8

...#2 (newest spin-value)

Bet #2:    1.) 13(x)-1

Bet 2,13:    2.) 34(win)+34
-------------------------------------------------------
+33
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 04, 03:13 AM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Wednesday, April 4,2018 @ 1:39am CDT USA

...#12 (newest spin-value)

Bet #12:    1.) 26(x)-1

Bet 12,26:    2.) 35(x)-2

Bet 12,26,35:    3.) 9(x)-3

Bet 12,26,35,9:    4.) 33(x)-4

Bet 12,26,35,9,33:    5.) 6(x)-5

Bet 12,26,35,9,33,6:    6.) 24(x)-6

Bet 12,26,35,9,33,6,24:       7.) 21(x)-7

(newest seven uniques in play at this point)

Bet 26,35,9,33,6,24,21:       8.) 30(x)-7

Bet 35,9,33,6,24,21,30:       9.) 12(x)-7

Bet 9,33,6,24,21,30,12:      10.) 30(win)+29

last six uniques: 9,33,6,24,21,12
(wait one spin...#23 (trigger)

Bet seven newest unique singles:

Bet 9,33,6,24,21,12,23:      11.) 10(x)-7

Bet 33,6,24,21,12,23,10:    12.) 15(x)-7

Bet 6,24,21,12,23,10,15:    13.) 21(win)+29
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Session total: +2 units

*also 144 units bankroll (according to Vaddi)

36 times 4 @ $1/number
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 04, 09:54 AM 2018
Last 18 nrs (not spins), flat bet.

simple but not dynamic, there is the flaw.  Strikes of new nrs can easily bring down the br.  Need to add an adaptive aspect, bzw balancing, as suggested in the early pages of this topic.

The success of this run up is probably due to luck?

18 nrs is not between 6 and 9, sure, but this is a testing lab, isn't it!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 17, 03:24 PM 2018
Alright, this is fully esoteric, in the sense of ''What is the mirror/sister number?'', the missing piece of the puzzle with Vaddis' hints.  He suggested to go +1 or -1 for the pair number.

I tried +18/-18, since I noticed often comes near a hit a number that is 18 above or below, like 15/33, or 31/13, 29/11.

Did a little test.  Put a unit on a nr and its pair, up to 8 pairs/16 nrs and reset at new high, flat bet.  Good preliminary results.

See how a +/-18 value nr comes hitting within a 8 spin window.

This, is esoteric and not fully cross-interrogated, still...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 18, 06:53 AM 2018
Mirror sister numbers could be 1,34

or x+y=37 like 3,34

or two neighbors like 0,32 (Euro Wheel)

or a Natural column split 15,18
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 18, 07:57 AM 2018
Yes, any of these could be what he meant.

Should be easy enough for a 10 y-old to understand, though, according to post.

I'm not sure his magic nr was 8, anyways.  He said it was not it...

I'd go for 6,7 or 9...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: boyd30 on Apr 18, 01:40 PM 2018
He said it was between 6 and 10 numbers, likely 7, 8 or 9.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 18, 02:00 PM 2018
6 or 9 would make sense, Tesla and all other scientists thought nr3 and the multiples of this made all things amazing, in the physical world.

7 is more of a biblical number...
Does this come down to science or belief?!?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Ricky on Apr 18, 02:59 PM 2018

Hi
was intrigued by this method which seems to be a low risk flat bet selection based on last x historical values. I have tested this with some success but only when numbers are repeating frequently. When you get a long sequence of single numbers your bankroll can get depleted.

I am not sure if this will help but to reduce the number of chips on the layout you could use splits, quads and streets to cover your numbers. You will get different payouts depending on what number hit but that could be compensated partially by the reduced betting requirement

But sadly, I do not think this is the HG as it depends on luck to get ahead and has no progression.
If you were to add some sort of progression or parlay then you may get close to accelerating your wins

Cheers,
Ricky
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 18, 03:13 PM 2018
6 or 9 would make sense, Tesla and all other scientists thought nr3 and the multiples of this made all things amazing, in the physical world.

7 is more of a biblical number...
Does this come down to science or belief?!?

According to Vaddi's notes the greatest
edge of 7,8 or 9 uniques would be seven.

(I just don't see the hit-rate being any better)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: boyd30 on Apr 18, 03:34 PM 2018
He never revealed what the number was. Some believe it is 8, but I'm not sure. It wasn't only betting the last numbers. He also talked about pairs, splits and nonhits, singles and doubles. Even if you do a mix of this it's still a guessing game. And it would win with flatbetting!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Apr 18, 03:40 PM 2018
He never revealed what the number was. Some believe it is 8, but I'm not sure. It wasn't only betting the last numbers. He also talked about pairs, splits and nonhits, singles and doubles. Even if you do a mix of this it's still a guessing game. And it would win with flatbetting!
I Always believed it was 7
But like vaddis said, les then 9 and More then 6. So either 7 or 8.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 18, 04:31 PM 2018
Could not find, but I remember reading from him it was not 8.

My guts is it's 7, but haven't tested it profoundly yet.

Here are 2 quotes.

Still have doubts the ''pair'' is a split...

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Ricky on Apr 18, 11:47 PM 2018
Could not find, but I remember reading from him it was not 8.

My guts is it's 7, but haven't tested it profoundly yet.

Here are 2 quotes.

Still have doubts the ''pair'' is a split...
Hi all
I just read Vaddis post mentioned at the beginning of this thread. Has anyone worked out what he is referring to in the way he is betting?

My understanding is he is referring to the bias generated by a dealer called a footprint. In 37 spins the ball will land in a pattern around the wheel hitting the same number several times because it is landing in the same area of the wheel. In a properly regulated condition when the dealer is forced to spin the ball from approximately the same location of the last spun number then he generates a footprint around the wheel and the ball revolves approx the same number of times and the wheel spins at approx the same speed in the opposite direction. After 37 spins you get a good sample of the footprint being generated.

Given this information you then make 12 bets identifying 2 dominant numbers, ones that have hit the most and you bet both their neighbours up to 5 numbers for each number. So you need to look at the wheel and if say 5 and 32 were showing as the dominant numbers then look at the 2 numbers either side of these numbers, you have a total of 10 numbers including 5 and 32. So the numbers would be (on european wheel) 23,10,5,24,16 and 26,0,32,15,19. Now you could confirm these two landing strips are correct by checking the frequency in which each of these numbers have hit in the last 37 spins. If the have hit more times than others then you have a good candidate for winning on the next 12 spins.

Using this method you need to ensure 2 things:
1. Reset your tracking on a change of dealer as the footprint will be lost
2. Ensure the dealer spins the ball at approx the same location as the last number. I have observed in online casinos that this rule is constantly broken by dealers. One dealer i know lets the wheel spin half a revolution before he releases the ball. This system cannot be played on those wheels as there is no dealer bias.

Am I on the right track with this system?

cheers,
Ricky
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 19, 01:41 AM 2018
Just played two sessions on Celtic Live European Wheel.  :thumbsup:

*seven uniques=max numbers to bet-
based on what's shown on the Marquee

Test: Celtic European Wheel-
Thursday, April 19,2018 @ 11:44pm CDT USA

#36 (newest spin-value)

Bet #36:    1.) 10(x)-1

Bet 36,10:    2.) 35(x)-2

Bet 36,10,35:    3.) 26(x)-3

Bet 36,10,35,26:    4.) 13(x)-4

Bet 36,10,35,26,13:    5.) 26(win)+31
---------------------------------------------------------------------
+21
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Thursday, April 19,2018 @ 11:49pm CDT USA

#26 (newest spin-value)

Bet #26:    1.) 15(x)-1

Bet 26,15:    2.) 36(x)-2

Bet 26,15,36:    3.) 11(x)-3

Bet 26,15,36,11:    4.) 8(x)-4

Bet 26,15,36,11,8:    5.) 9(x)-5

Bet 26,15,36,11,8,9:    6.) 30(x)-6

Bet 26,15,36,11,8,9,30:        7.) 4(x)-7
*bet newest seven uniques each spin at this point

Bet 15,36,11,8,9,30,4:           8.) 26(x)-7

Bet 36,11,8,9,30,4,26:           9.) 32(x)-7

Bet 11,8,9,30,4,26,32:          10.) 17(x)-7

Bet 8,9,30,4,26,32,17:          11.) 36(x)-7

Bet 9,30,4,26,32,17,36:        12.) 1(x)-7

Bet 30,4,26,32,17,36,1:        13.) 16(x)-7

Bet 4,26,32,17,36,1,16:        14.) 1(win)+29
*bet last seven uniques

Bet 30,4,26,32,17,36,16:      15.) 20(x)-7

Bet 4,26,32,17,36,16,20:      16.) 24(x)-7

Bet 26,32,17,36,16,20,24:    17.) 9(x)-7

Bet 9,24,20,16,36,17,32:      18.) 24(win)+29

Bet 9,20,16,36,17,32,26:      19.) 32(win)+29

(waiting for new unique single)...0 (trigger)

Bet 9,20,16,36,17,26,0:        20.) 34(x)-7

Bet 20,16,36,17,26,0,34:      21.) 33(x)-7

Bet 16,36,17,26,0,34,33:      22.) 25(x)-7

Bet 36,17,26,0,34,33,25:      23.) 5(x)-7

Bet 17,26,0,34,33,25,5:        24.) 24(x)-7

Bet 26,0,34,33,25,5,24:        25.) 8(x)-7

Bet 0,34,33,25,5,24,8:          26.) 5(win)+29

Bet 32,0,34,33,25,24,8:        27.) 27(x)-7

Bet 0,34,33,25,24,8,27:        28.) 35(x)-7

Bet 34,33,25,24,8,27,35:      29.) 8(win)+29

Bet 0,34,33,25,24,27,35:      30.) 14(x)-7

Bet 34,33,25,24,27,35,14:    31.) 14(win)+29
------------------------------------------------------------------------
+10

(hope this helps)   :)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Apr 19, 01:47 AM 2018
I understand the princible, we bet up to seven unique numbers. After you Have seven unique numbers everytime a unique number appears, we remove the oldest # and add the newest. And we move the newest to spot 1.But how to make this the HG? That's the question.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 19, 01:56 AM 2018
From what I read Vaddi made an automatic bot out
of the seven uniques formula with a bankroll of 100 units

and let the bot play continuously.

As long as the balance never goes
over -100 units that would be the Grail.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 19, 06:31 AM 2018
Ricky,

Vaddis mentioned the system was also good with RNG, but was even more efficient if a real dealer showed a signature.

Does anyone knows when he'd switch from betting the nrs to betting the ''pair''?

What did he mean by ''observing how numbers connect to each other after every 4 spins'' ?

Another RNG trial: wait for last 7 nrs show no repeater and start rolling the last 7.  Almost an average of +1/spin.

 Thought: If one bets all 37 nrs, this is the house edge:-1 every spin.  With 7 nrs, a hit on 5th spin gets you to +1.  He said at some point the magic nr was the player's edge.

Room for thoughts...!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 19, 09:00 AM 2018
x://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ae6h0r_Asp3AJ%3Ax.money-maker-machine.com%2Fforum%2Fgeneral-discussion%2Fwish-i-could-openly-share-roulette-grail%2F%3Faction%3Dprintpage+&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: boyd30 on Apr 20, 06:41 AM 2018
I"m interesting in this. Trying to figure it out, but don't really understand. I've seen the above graph before. From who is that and what does the spanish say?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 20, 06:47 AM 2018
He said it's a graph of what he'S doing right now from Vaddis phase 1 system.

PassionRuletta,
how many nrs, 7?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 20, 07:53 AM 2018
PR,

do you switch to 16 nrs as soon as phase1 fails?

I need to think this over about 8 nrs, trying to understand the ratios you mentioned...

''24 numbers land
12 times the proportion of land

twenty-one.''

What do you mean?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kattila on Apr 20, 08:06 AM 2018
PR, en que ciudad vives? Yo en Lerida
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 21, 01:47 PM 2018

I tried +18/-18, since I noticed often comes near a hit a number that is 18 above or below, like 15/33, or 31/13, 29/11.

See how a +/-18 value nr comes hitting within a 8 spin window.

This, is esoteric and not fully cross-interrogated, still...

Another observation, +/-18 per nrs...
Doesn't always happen, but when it does...

13-31; 4-22; 16-34; 2-20; 9-27; 6-24.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 21, 10:05 PM 2018
Tell me,

como lo hiciste?

Spin 16, seems you went from 500 to 534, so 2 nrs on first bet?
Spins 17 to 23: 2x 2nrs, 2x 4nrs, 2x8nrs, then hit on spin 24 with 10nrs, so up to 532.
You betted on the pair (nr+1)?  Did you ever bet on repeaters and their pair?

Spin 33-42: did you not reset to step 1 since you were at new high?

Interesting graph (obviously) if flat bet.

Can you explain or describe a demonstration?

Good job PR!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 22, 01:14 AM 2018
                                              ----"Cheap" Vaddi's System----

For 36 units (not sure abt the hit-rate)

You could bet one street and two natural column splits (3 units per bet)

Example: 20,15,2 (newest spin-value)

Bet s1-3, 15/18 & 20/23 once:    1.) 21(x)-3

Newest three outcomes: ...15,5,21 (newest spin-value)

Bet s19-21, 2/5, 15/18 once:       2.) 0(x)-3

*in case of zero bet the 0,1,2,3 quad (00,0,1,2,3 on American)

and the second newest spin-value's
street (or natural column split for 00)

Example (from above):

Newest three outcomes: ...5,21,0 (newest spin-value)

Bet 0,1,2,3 and s19-21 once...
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stop when in profit  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Robbert on Apr 22, 05:50 AM 2018
So, there Always 3 units on board?
And after the new 3 units come in i change the bet?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: blueman on Apr 22, 06:54 AM 2018
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Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 22, 12:01 PM 2018
So, there Always 3 units on board?
And after the new 3 units come in i change the bet?

Correct
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Gandhi on Apr 22, 03:18 PM 2018
So after reading his clues, the main things I took away from it is: 
He says he could explain it to a "10yr old child easily and they could play it"
"It's so simple that it seems too simple to be a HG"
"You can just look at the recent numbers on the marquee and start playing"

Me being a newbie to roulette and thinking like a 10yr old haha, I would assume he just bets on the last 8 to repeat or bets on 8 numbers that haven't hit yet..

assuming 8 is the magic number.

interesting and fun clues but I'm sure most would say this definitely doesn't work out good lol.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Apr 23, 07:58 PM 2018
So after reading his clues, the main things I took away from it is: 
He says he could explain it to a "10yr old child easily and they could play it"
"It's so simple that it seems too simple to be a HG"
"You can just look at the recent numbers on the marquee and start playing"

Me being a newbie to roulette and thinking like a 10yr old haha, I would assume he just bets on the last 8 to repeat or bets on 8 numbers that haven't hit yet..

assuming 8 is the magic number.

interesting and fun clues but I'm sure most would say this definitely doesn't work out good lol.


8 is most likely the so-called magic number as per the clues that Vaddis put forward in the thread that he started on the moneymaker web site.

But the problem with Vaddis's method is the same that plagues nearly all other repeaters methods -- for many sessions, the repeaters come rather late in the cycle (or they spill over on to the next cycle)  or there are big gaps between when they appear.

That leads to big drawdowns in your bank roll.

Then you are forced to resort to progressions (be it positive or negative) to try to get  back to the break-even point.

Positive progressions are not necessarily the panacea that many people think they are -- yes, you are not using your own money for such progressions (in that sense, they are better than negative progressions), but you are still giving back your hard-earned profits from previous wins or previous sessions to salvage your current session.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 23, 09:09 PM 2018
That's why DoctorSudoku Vaddi recommends 12 times the number you
think it is for bankroll.  Since you think it is Eight, the bankroll would be 96 units

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 23, 09:39 PM 2018
Progressions are mostly used to go back quicker to break-even or new high, and also mostly used to be at this level on first hit.
If a player accepts to be under for a while, it doesn't matter if it takes 5-6 hits, if the system works.
Probably better to stay under water longer and not to sink with progression on a losing streak...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Gandhi on Apr 24, 01:18 AM 2018
He leaves a very important clue.
  These are his words:
24/8
12/4
It is the base of the grail

If you do not see this, it is difficult for you to achieve it.
You have to try all the things that happen and read and read things.
I'm lucky to have been accustomed to thinking about this type of riddle-related riddles for years.
regards :wink:

24/8 = bet 8 numbers for 24 spins?

12/4 = bet 4 numbers for 12 spins?

You sound like you already know Vaddis way..?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Gandhi on Apr 24, 01:25 AM 2018

8 is most likely the so-called magic number as per the clues that Vaddis put forward in the thread that he started on the moneymaker web site.

But the problem with Vaddis's method is the same that plagues nearly all other repeaters methods -- for many sessions, the repeaters come rather late in the cycle (or they spill over on to the next cycle)  or there are big gaps between when they appear.

That leads to big drawdowns in your bank roll.

Then you are forced to resort to progressions (be it positive or negative) to try to get  back to the break-even point.

Positive progressions are not necessarily the panacea that many people think they are -- yes, you are not using your own money for such progressions (in that sense, they are better than negative progressions), but you are still giving back your hard-earned profits from previous wins or previous sessions to salvage your current session.

thanks for the info on pretty much confirming the magic number being 8 Dr.

and I agree the gaps and big drawdowns in bankroll waiting for repeaters make things very tricky and not as simple as Vaddis clues say.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Apr 24, 01:34 AM 2018
thanks for the info on pretty much confirming the magic number being 8 Dr.

and I agree the gaps and big drawdowns in bankroll waiting for repeaters make things very tricky and not as simple as Vaddis clues say.
and vaddis is not only playing repeaters, but unhit and First hits as well.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 24, 03:50 AM 2018
It looks like the Vaddi principles appear to work on Even Chances... :thumbsup:
==============================
                                         ---*Vaddi's Even Chances System*---

Bankroll requirement: 12 units

Flat-bet the last decision Even Chance continuously.

(if a zero shows wait one
spin/game for a non-zero/tie outcome)

Stop when in profit.
------------------------------------------------
Example: #12 (newest spin-value)

Bet Red:    1.) 0(x)-10

(wait one spin...#13 (newest outcome)

Bet Black:    2.) 2(win)+10

Bet Black:    3.) 31(win)+10  (stop--+10 profit)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Same with Baccarat (12 unit bankroll requirement)

...Banker (newest outcome)

Bet Banker:    1.) Player(x)-10

Bet Player:     2.) Tie

(wait one game)...Banker

Bet Banker:    3.) Banker (win)+10....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 24, 04:29 AM 2018
*the Even Chance tactic should work on Blackjack**no splits or doubles
Again, stopping when in profit

12 times base bet=Bankroll requirement

Example: Minimum table: $25/Blackjack bet

25 times 12=$300 Bankroll
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 24, 05:08 AM 2018
*in Blackjack--Vaddi--the only time to bet would be after the dealer busts
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Apr 24, 12:37 PM 2018
xs://x.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=9189.0

I am sorry if this has been posted before in this thread. It is said this is basically the same system and you wait for 12 unique numbers in a row to hit, then bet the first 8 numbers you tracked.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Apr 24, 06:02 PM 2018
xs://x.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=9189.0

I am sorry if this has been posted before in this thread. It is said this is basically the same system and you wait for 12 unique numbers in a row to hit, then bet the first 8 numbers you tracked.


It is for the most part the same system -- and as with any other system, play around with it and come up with your own tweaks to suit your own bank roll and psychology.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 24, 07:16 PM 2018
I tested this theory last night looks good so far.

                                        ---*Vaddi's Dozen/Column System*---

Bankroll requirement: 18 units

Flat-bet last decision Dozen/Column continuously

*Stop when in profit*

Example: #2 (newest spin-value)-first dozen

Bet first dozen:     1.) 31(x)-1

Bet third dozen:    2.) 0(x)-1

*in case of zero wait one spin for a non-zero outcome

...#22 (newest spin-value)

Bet second dozen:    3.) 19(win)+2

Bet second dozen:    4.) 15(win)+2: (stop) +2 profit
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Same with columns:

Example: #33 (newest spin-value)-third column

Bet third column:        1.) 23(x)-1

Bet second column:    2.) 20(win)+2
----------------------------------------------------------
(stop) +1 profit
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: AndyCasinoK on Apr 25, 12:08 PM 2018
I tested this theory last night looks good so far.

                                        ---*Vaddi's Dozen/Column System*---

Bankroll requirement: 18 units

Flat-bet last decision Dozen/Column continuously

*Stop when in profit*

Example: #2 (newest spin-value)-first dozen

Bet first dozen:     1.) 31(x)-1

Bet third dozen:    2.) 0(x)-1

*in case of zero wait one spin for a non-zero outcome

...#22 (newest spin-value)

Bet second dozen:    3.) 19(win)+2

Bet second dozen:    4.) 15(win)+2: (stop) +2 profit
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Same with columns:

Example: #33 (newest spin-value)-third column

Bet third column:        1.) 23(x)-1

Bet second column:    2.) 20(win)+2
----------------------------------------------------------
(stop) +1 profit


instead of 18 if your Bankroll was 1800 dollars and your bet unit was 100 you will be at + 200 
Nice 
 
but now think at what you can do with these dollars  , what i like to do sometimes is using the "money of the casino " against the casino
turn the +2 to + 3  and the + 3 to +4 and the +4 to + 6 etc 
using the " money of the casino"  against the casino doing all of that without risking big money , less damage to me to do maximum damage to the casino , but i don't want to go off topic maybe i will start a thread about that .
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Apr 25, 03:42 PM 2018
I tested this theory last night looks good so far.

                                        ---*Vaddi's Dozen/Column System*---

Bankroll requirement: 18 units

Flat-bet last decision Dozen/Column continuously

*Stop when in profit*

Example: #2 (newest spin-value)-first dozen

Bet first dozen:     1.) 31(x)-1

Bet third dozen:    2.) 0(x)-1

*in case of zero wait one spin for a non-zero outcome

...#22 (newest spin-value)

Bet second dozen:    3.) 19(win)+2

Bet second dozen:    4.) 15(win)+2: (stop) +2 profit
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Same with columns:

Example: #33 (newest spin-value)-third column

Bet third column:        1.) 23(x)-1

Bet second column:    2.) 20(win)+2
----------------------------------------------------------
(stop) +1 profit




Would it not be better if you wait a few spins without any dozen (or column) repeating before embarking on a chase for the repeating dozen (or column)?

Just a suggestion to cut down on potential losses.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Apr 25, 05:32 PM 2018
Do you mind posting another graph?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 25, 09:17 PM 2018



Would it not be better if you wait a few spins without any dozen (or column) repeating before embarking on a chase for the repeating dozen (or column)?

Just a suggestion to cut down on potential losses.

Fair comment.

imo perhaps with a smaller set of numbers (like a doublestreet or street) but 12
numbers is a large enough target it should a make a profit without a large drawdown.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Apr 25, 09:26 PM 2018

Fair comment.

imo perhaps with a smaller set of numbers (like a doublestreet or street) but 12
numbers is a large enough target it should a make a profit without a large drawdown.




I like the idea of chasing dozen and column repeats because they are single dozen / single column bets.

You can, if you so prefer, even use a mild progression to chase them (contrast that with the standard 1 1, 3 3, 9 9, 27 27, etc. horror show that we have for double dozens and double columns methods).
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Ricky on Apr 26, 04:35 AM 2018
xs://x.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=9189.0

I am sorry if this has been posted before in this thread. It is said this is basically the same system and you wait for 12 unique numbers in a row to hit, then bet the first 8 numbers you tracked.

Hi Irish88,
thanks for posting the link. I had a look at the system and see it works well when you see a lot of repeats within the 20 spin history. It will be risky if you see long periods of uniques. I gave it a go with .10 base bets while I saw many repeats in my online casino and it is holding up well. I guess you need to have some stoploss built in and maybe only start using it when there is some indication of repeats occurring. So if you do get a drought maybe best to wait until repeats start occurring. Sometimes you get repeats occuring in waves every other spin or even back to back. This system works well in those situations.

I have add a tweak to this to allow for the situations where you get back to back wins. Rather than WAITING for 8 or 12 uniques I have been betting each unique as it comes out. I start with 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 etc until I get 8 numbers come out without a repeat. I put 1 unit on each to a maximum of 8 numbers. So my bets would look like

Last number 15 Bet 1 unit on 15
Last number 25 Bet 2 units (15,25)
Last number 12 Bet 3 units (15,25,12)
Last number 22 Bet 4  units (15,25,12,22)
Last number 2   Bet 5  units  (15,25,12,22,2)
Last number 26 Bet 6 units (15,25,12,22,2,26)
Last number 30 Bet 7 units (15,25,12,22,2,26,30)
Last number 30 Win 8 units

If a number repeats during this initial phase I am immediately in profit and I start again.
But what I do is look for the last unique numbers before the repeat. In the above case 30 came out twice in a row so I will start betting on 30 1 unit. But if 12 came out then I will start betting
1 unit each on 22,2,26,12
so I drop all previous numbers and start with last unique numbers. This way I will catch any repeats of previous numbers.

On the 8th spin if no repeats came I continue with these 8 numbers using progression 2,2,3,5,5,7,9,12

If I have not go a repeat by the 12 progression I have lost 3920 units and at .10 units that's 39.20 I accept the loss an restart

Also, if a number repeats after my initial 8 then I restart the betting with the latest set of unique numbers after the repeat that I missed. eg say my 8 numbers are:
15,25,12,22,2,26,30,32

and the next numbers are 9,33,27,13,9
I have lost all bets and am up to progression 5 with my numbers. What I will do here is stop using these numbers and continue the progression using the numbers from 9. So my next bet will be 1 unit on 9,33,27,13. I will then continue adding a number until I get 8 unique numbers. I will then continue betting the 8 numbers using the last progression before I reset, in this case 5. I will then continue to progression of 12 or until I get a hit. This method is optional. For me it means I am using the freshest set of unique numbers and not the ones that have not hit the longest. The idea is if you suddenly get a lot of repeats with the recent numbers you are not missing out because you are betting on cold numbers that have not hit and may not hit for a long time begin replaced with new hot numbers

When you get a hit you should be in profit so reset back to 1 unit using the last 8 unique numbers of from the number that just repeated which may be less than 8 numbers away. In this case build up to 8 unique numbers and repeat the progression

Let me know if you find this option successful. So far so good for me
cheers
Ricky
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Ricky on Apr 26, 06:00 AM 2018

Hi Irish88,
thanks for posting the link. I had a look at the system and see it works well when you see a lot of repeats within the 20 spin history. It will be risky if you see long periods of uniques. I gave it a go with .10 base bets while I saw many repeats in my online casino and it is holding up well. I guess you need to have some stoploss built in and maybe only start using it when there is some indication of repeats occurring. So if you do get a drought maybe best to wait until repeats start occurring. Sometimes you get repeats occuring in waves every other spin or even back to back. This system works well in those situations.

I have add a tweak to this to allow for the situations where you get back to back wins. Rather than WAITING for 8 or 12 uniques I have been betting each unique as it comes out. I start with 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 etc until I get 8 numbers come out without a repeat. I put 1 unit on each to a maximum of 8 numbers. So my bets would look like

Last number 15 Bet 1 unit on 15
Last number 25 Bet 2 units (15,25)
Last number 12 Bet 3 units (15,25,12)
Last number 22 Bet 4  units (15,25,12,22)
Last number 2   Bet 5  units  (15,25,12,22,2)
Last number 26 Bet 6 units (15,25,12,22,2,26)
Last number 30 Bet 7 units (15,25,12,22,2,26,30)
Last number 30 Win 8 units

If a number repeats during this initial phase I am immediately in profit and I start again.
But what I do is look for the last unique numbers before the repeat. In the above case 30 came out twice in a row so I will start betting on 30 1 unit. But if 12 came out then I will start betting
1 unit each on 22,2,26,12
so I drop all previous numbers and start with last unique numbers. This way I will catch any repeats of previous numbers.

On the 8th spin if no repeats came I continue with these 8 numbers using progression 2,2,3,5,5,7,9,12

If I have not go a repeat by the 12 progression I have lost 3920 units and at .10 units that's 39.20 I accept the loss an restart

Also, if a number repeats after my initial 8 then I restart the betting with the latest set of unique numbers after the repeat that I missed. eg say my 8 numbers are:
15,25,12,22,2,26,30,32

and the next numbers are 9,33,27,13,9
I have lost all bets and am up to progression 5 with my numbers. What I will do here is stop using these numbers and continue the progression using the numbers from 9. So my next bet will be 1 unit on 9,33,27,13. I will then continue adding a number until I get 8 unique numbers. I will then continue betting the 8 numbers using the last progression before I reset, in this case 5. I will then continue to progression of 12 or until I get a hit. This method is optional. For me it means I am using the freshest set of unique numbers and not the ones that have not hit the longest. The idea is if you suddenly get a lot of repeats with the recent numbers you are not missing out because you are betting on cold numbers that have not hit and may not hit for a long time begin replaced with new hot numbers

When you get a hit you should be in profit so reset back to 1 unit using the last 8 unique numbers of from the number that just repeated which may be less than 8 numbers away. In this case build up to 8 unique numbers and repeat the progression

Let me know if you find this option successful. So far so good for me
cheers
Ricky

Here is an example of a scenario where the above method tweak works well
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/04/26/temp_589092.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sSRgt)

I captured all wins where there was a repeat by betting each number as it came out until I get 8 numbers. In this case I won each time before betting all 8 numbers

Cheers,
Ricky
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Ricky on Apr 26, 06:08 AM 2018
Here is an example of a scenario where the above method tweak works well
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/04/26/temp_589092.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sSRgt)

I captured all wins where there was a repeat by betting each number as it came out until I get 8 numbers. In this case I won each time before betting all 8 numbers

Cheers,
Ricky

And the repeats just keep coming
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/04/26/temp_197955.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sSIbZ)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Apr 26, 10:31 AM 2018

Hi Irish88,
thanks for posting the link. I had a look at the system and see it works well when you see a lot of repeats within the 20 spin history. It will be risky if you see long periods of uniques. I gave it a go with .10 base bets while I saw many repeats in my online casino and it is holding up well. I guess you need to have some stoploss built in and maybe only start using it when there is some indication of repeats occurring. So if you do get a drought maybe best to wait until repeats start occurring. Sometimes you get repeats occuring in waves every other spin or even back to back. This system works well in those situations.

I have add a tweak to this to allow for the situations where you get back to back wins. Rather than WAITING for 8 or 12 uniques I have been betting each unique as it comes out. I start with 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 etc until I get 8 numbers come out without a repeat. I put 1 unit on each to a maximum of 8 numbers. So my bets would look like

Last number 15 Bet 1 unit on 15
Last number 25 Bet 2 units (15,25)
Last number 12 Bet 3 units (15,25,12)
Last number 22 Bet 4  units (15,25,12,22)
Last number 2   Bet 5  units  (15,25,12,22,2)
Last number 26 Bet 6 units (15,25,12,22,2,26)
Last number 30 Bet 7 units (15,25,12,22,2,26,30)
Last number 30 Win 8 units

If a number repeats during this initial phase I am immediately in profit and I start again.
But what I do is look for the last unique numbers before the repeat. In the above case 30 came out twice in a row so I will start betting on 30 1 unit. But if 12 came out then I will start betting
1 unit each on 22,2,26,12
so I drop all previous numbers and start with last unique numbers. This way I will catch any repeats of previous numbers.

On the 8th spin if no repeats came I continue with these 8 numbers using progression 2,2,3,5,5,7,9,12

If I have not go a repeat by the 12 progression I have lost 3920 units and at .10 units that's 39.20 I accept the loss an restart

Also, if a number repeats after my initial 8 then I restart the betting with the latest set of unique numbers after the repeat that I missed. eg say my 8 numbers are:
15,25,12,22,2,26,30,32

and the next numbers are 9,33,27,13,9
I have lost all bets and am up to progression 5 with my numbers. What I will do here is stop using these numbers and continue the progression using the numbers from 9. So my next bet will be 1 unit on 9,33,27,13. I will then continue adding a number until I get 8 unique numbers. I will then continue betting the 8 numbers using the last progression before I reset, in this case 5. I will then continue to progression of 12 or until I get a hit. This method is optional. For me it means I am using the freshest set of unique numbers and not the ones that have not hit the longest. The idea is if you suddenly get a lot of repeats with the recent numbers you are not missing out because you are betting on cold numbers that have not hit and may not hit for a long time begin replaced with new hot numbers

When you get a hit you should be in profit so reset back to 1 unit using the last 8 unique numbers of from the number that just repeated which may be less than 8 numbers away. In this case build up to 8 unique numbers and repeat the progression

Let me know if you find this option successful. So far so good for me
cheers
Ricky

Hi Ricky,

Thank you for your excellent post. I have actually played that way in the past. Betting each unique number that comes out. I had very good success with it and asking myself why I got away from it. Remember,  Notto with all his spins shows a number should repeat within 10 spins about 75-80% of the time by the 10th spin using a 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1, 2,2,3 progression.

So after you don't get a hit 8 spins, you play all 8 numbers with your progression. I will check it out. Thank for your post.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Ricky on Apr 26, 12:01 PM 2018
1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1, 2,2,3 progression.
As with any system it works until it doesn't. After posting, I played a little bit too long this method and got a drought of the eight numbers. Therefore got up to the highest progression of 12 after changing unique numbers a few times. Eventually lost all my profit. So this method is good with some additional conditions and some stops for profit as well as loss. Expect about 3000-5000 unit profit each session. with .10 that is 30-50 dollars/euro. So with $1 base bets you can aim for 200-300 dollars/euro which is pretty good but has the same level of risk. So not the method for the conservative gambler.

Cheers,
Ricky
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on May 21, 08:51 AM 2018
:thumbsup: not a finger, 2hot2handle :twisted:
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2017/01/25/temp_309815.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/QiVt)
Time flies
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on May 21, 08:56 AM 2018
So, 7, huh?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on May 21, 08:58 AM 2018
So, 7, huh?
Yes 7; 8 you only break even
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on May 21, 10:29 AM 2018
Bigbroben

Been a while since i done this, these #'s are from real spins, posted by IG.

So here we bet up to 7#'s; no win, bet last 7 for 7units if win we'd win 1 unit. But it does not come, so no point betting 1 units, up it to 2 units for 7 spins.
Here you see a win, but minus, so carry on with the 2 unit bets but no win for 2 unit, so up it to 3 unit and win; but the win breaks even, but leaves us still minus, ( did Vaddi not say you can get a win and be betting less #'s, well as #32 won with 2 unit and we rebet it made for only 6 to be bet :thumbsup:)
If flat bet the #23 would be positive

I presume the dot line is croupier change

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/05/21/temp_357379.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sLTVD)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on May 21, 10:30 AM 2018
Thats it for me

Back to repeats, the four know what  >:D
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 22, 12:07 AM 2018
One more idea I want to try re: Vaddi

                     ----------*Vaddi's Four Revolving Unique Natural Column Splits System*----------

Procedure: Track until the newest
four outcomes are unique natural column splits.*

*If zero is among the new newest four
outcomes bet the zero and the other three splits.

Example: 12,31,2,15 (newest spin-value)-qualifier

9/12: 31/34: 2/5: 15,18

Bet those four unique splits:    1.) 3(x)-4

*If not in profit continue to bet the newest
four outcomes' splits (or zero) until in profit.

Newest four outcomes: 31,2,15,3 (newest spin-value)

Bet the newest four unique splits:    2.) 0(x)-4
(31/34, 2/5, 15/18, 3/6)

Newest four outcomes: 2,15,3,0 (newest spin-value)

Bet the newest three unique splits & zero
(2/5, 15/18, 3/6, 0)....

Bankroll suggestion: 64 units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 22, 12:14 AM 2018
Test: Vaddi's Unique Natural Column Splits @ Celtic Casino
European Wheel-Monday, May 21,2018 @ 10:48pm CDT USA

...1,23,33,29 (newest spin-value)

Bet 1/4, 20/23, 33/36, 26/29:      1.) 3(x)-4

Bet 20/23, 33/36, 26/29, 3/6:      2.) 25(x)-4

Bet 33/36, 26/29, 3/6, 25/28:      3.) 16(x)-4

Bet 26,29, 3/6, 25/28, 13/16:       4.) 21(x)-4

Bet 3/6, 25/28, 13/16, 21/24:      5.) 8(x)-4

Bet 25/28, 13/16, 21/24, 8/11:    6.) 25(win)+14

Bet 13/16, 21/24, 8/11, 25/28:    7.) 28(win)+14
-------------------------------------------------------------------
+8
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 22, 01:02 AM 2018
Test: Vaddi's Unique Natural Column Splits @ Celtic Casino
American Wheel-Monday, May 21,2018 @ 11:36pm CDT USA

...30,21,25,31 (newest spin-value)

Bet 27/30, 21/24, 25/28, 31/34:    1.) 13(x)-4

Bet 21/24, 25/28, 31/34, 13/16:    2.) 00(x)-4

Bet 25/28, 31/34, 13/16, 0/00:      3.) 36(x)-4

Bet 31/34, 13/16, 0/00, 33/36:      4.) 31(win)+14
--------------------------------------------------------------------
+2
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 22, 01:06 AM 2018
Test: Vaddi's Unique Natural Column Splits @ Celtic Casino
European Wheel-Monday, May 21,2018 @ 11:44pm CDT USA

...3,15,8,32 (newest spin-value)

Bet 3/6, 15/18, 8/11, 32/35:    1.) 4(x)-4

Bet 15/18, 8/11, 32/35, 1/4:    2.) 11(win)+14
---------------------------------------------------------------
+10
==============================
Test: Vaddi's Unique Natural Column Splits @ Celtic Casino
American Wheel-Monday, May 21,2018 @ 11:47pm CDT USA

...29,16,12,11 (newest spin-value)

Bet 26/29, 13/16, 9/12, 8/11:    1.) 2(x)-4

Bet 13/16, 9/12, 8/11, 2/5:         2.) 14(x)-4

Bet 9/12, 8/11, 2/5, 14/17:         3.) 2(win)+14
---------------------------------------------------------------
+6
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on May 22, 04:29 AM 2018
Vaddis is with the table of pairs:

0 | 1
1 | 2
2 | 3
3 | 4
4 | 5
5 | 6
6 | 7
7 | 8
8 | 9
9 | 10
10 | 11
11 | 12
12 | 13
13 | 14
14 | 15
15 | 16
16 | 17
17 | 18
18 | 19
19 | 20
20 | 21
21 | 22
22 | 23
23 | 24
24 | 25
25 | 26
26 | 27
27 | 28
28 | 29
29 | 30
30 | 31
31 | 32
32 | 33
33 | 34
34 | 35
35 | 36
36 | 0

That's a total of 37 pairings.

- Vaddi  :thumbsup:
Yes, when we bet in pairs, we can bet on the singles to become repeats and on the sleepers to become singles at the same Time! We atleast agree to something, well that's a First and hopefuly not the last Time. :lol:
I Hope you continue posting this kind of information, because now you are contributing something for the Community at last.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on May 22, 04:42 AM 2018
That's a total of 37 pairings.
What's the deeper sense of this pairs of numbers ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on May 22, 04:49 AM 2018
What's the deeper sense of this pairs of numbers ?
What i said in the above quote.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on May 22, 05:02 AM 2018
Yes, when we bet in pairs, we can bet on the singles to become repeats and on the sleepers to become singles at the same Time! We atleast agree to something, well that's a First and hopefuly not the last Time. :lol:
I Hope you continue posting this kind of information, because now you are contributing something for the Community at last.

He’s only copy and pasted eddy lol
that pairing chart is only showing you an easy way to bet ...if forward is taken use backward pair...passions has no idea
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on May 22, 05:02 AM 2018
What i said in the above quote.
Sorry, English is not my first language.
I don't want to be unpolite .

If I had understood what exactly means "to bet in pairs" I wouldn't have asked.
So the question could be: what is the rule behind to build these pairs ?

Or are they really simply two following numbers: eg 12/13 ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on May 22, 05:05 AM 2018
that pairing chart is only showing you an easy way to bet ..

This is what I was thinking
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on May 22, 05:09 AM 2018
Passion should be answering some of these questions... Vaddi said if forward pair of a number is taken use backward number left...leads to the conclusion that you are betting for that 1 number from that pair with a formula...not both ...come on Sergio take the stand
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on May 22, 06:28 AM 2018
The numbers are united in pairs and are creating truth?

This seems to be very far from any scientific/mathematic position.
Did you hear some strange noise during the last days ? (you know holy ghost and this things ...)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on May 22, 07:52 AM 2018
You owe me more than that Passsion ...but I won’t be joining your Skype group I blocked you for a reason ..
And anyone else should take note that you are not a man to be trusted...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on May 22, 07:57 AM 2018
You owe me more than that Passsion ...but I won’t be joining your Skype group I blocked you for a reason ..
And anyone else should take note that you are not a man to be trusted...
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Scarface on May 22, 11:11 AM 2018
Ok, after a little reading of Vaddis clues, here's what I come up with.  First, I'm sure the magic number he refers to is 8...since 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36.

He then goes on to say that in a 36 spin cycle there is normally a near 50/50 split between singles and doubles, suggesting that we should find a way to bet both for balance.

I'm thinking he's saying play the last number hit as a split with a non hit next to it.  If 1 falls, play 1-2.  If 17 falls, play 17- 18.  Etc.  So we're playing a hit and no hit together.  Once the split hits again, move the chip to the hit number...if playing 1-2 split, and 1 falls again, move the chip from split to single number 1.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on May 22, 11:16 AM 2018
Ok, after a little reading of Vaddis clues, here's what I come up with.  First, I'm sure the magic number he refers to is 8...since 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36.

He then goes on to say that in a 36 spin cycle there is normally a near 50/50 split between singles and doubles, suggesting that we should find a way to bet both for balance.

I'm thinking he's saying play the last number hit as a split with a non hit next to it.  If 1 falls, play 1-2.  If 17 falls, play 17- 18.  Etc.  So we're playing a hit and no hit together.  Once the split hits again, move the chip to the hit number...if playing 1-2 split, and 1 falls again, move the chip from split to single number 1.
Well i don't think it's about 8 numbers. Yes the Magic number is 8, but it doesn't Mean we have to play that way.
I think that it was Vaddis his way to show what balance Ment, not that we have to bet up to 8 numbers.
The whole vaddis method is to try and capture as many sleepers, singles and repeaters as possible. And playing like that Will Grand you atleast 1 profit Point  before spin 185. But Most profit points come before spin 24.
So it could be a Long sessions or a short session, depending when the wheel find his balance again.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ZERO on May 22, 11:23 AM 2018
Ok, after a little reading of Vaddis clues, here's what I come up with.  First, I'm sure the magic number he refers to is 8...since 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36.

He then goes on to say that in a 36 spin cycle there is normally a near 50/50 split between singles and doubles, suggesting that we should find a way to bet both for balance.

I'm thinking he's saying play the last number hit as a split with a non hit next to it.  If 1 falls, play 1-2.  If 17 falls, play 17- 18.  Etc.  So we're playing a hit and no hit together.  Once the split hits again, move the chip to the hit number...if playing 1-2 split, and 1 falls again, move the chip from split to single number 1.

I think you are close. What I got was that he was playing the last 8 numbers on the marquee as long as there was no repeat among them just not sure if he was playing them as splits from the start?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 28, 02:19 AM 2018
bump
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on May 28, 03:08 AM 2018
bump

good bump - interesting ideas

play the last number hit as a split with a non hit next to it.  If 1 falls, play 1-2.  If 17 falls, play 17- 18.  Etc.  So we're playing a hit and no hit together

Below a simulation for the mean of Unhit-Singles-Doubles
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on May 28, 03:16 AM 2018
Correction:
picture above: the lower green line shows the summed up repeaters
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 28, 11:31 AM 2018
bump (again) :)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 28, 09:16 PM 2018
I do appreciate the help PassionRuleta with the clues.

I play hit and run.  So far so good with the system.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 28, 10:07 PM 2018
If God wants me to know He will reveal it.

Not all knowledge is good knowledge.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on May 28, 10:42 PM 2018
PR,
is the quote ''look what happens every 4 spins'' still valid?

What did you discard from Vaddis words?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: stringbeanpc on May 30, 02:40 AM 2018
PassionRuleta
does  ''look what happens every 4 spins'' mean

A)
spin 1 to spin 4
spin 2 to spin 5
spin 3 to spin 6
spin 4 to spin 8
spin 5 to spin 9
spin 6 to spin 10

or
B)
spins 1-4 vs spins 5-8
spins 5-8 vs spins 9-12
spins 9-12 vs spins 13-16

or
C) something else altogether
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 30, 03:22 AM 2018
PR,
is the quote ''look what happens every 4 spins'' still valid?

What did you discard from Vaddis words?

I think so, but now I'm thinking
neighbors, not just unhit singles in general.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 30, 03:30 AM 2018
I'm thinking a neighbor
layout maybe more effective:

(European Wheel sectors for Vaddi's)

0,32,15      19,4             21,2             25,17

34,6           27,13          36,11             30,8 

23,10          5,24           16,33             1,20

14,31          9,22           18,29             7,28

12,35          3,26
------------------------------------------------------------
(American Sectors)

0,28            9,26            30,11           7,20

32,17          5,22            34,15           3,24

36,13          1,00            27,10          25,29

12,8            19,31           18,6           21,33

16,4            23,35           14,2
---------------------------------------------------------
Note the newest four uniques.  Flat-bet those
unique singles and the neighbor compliment once.

Repeat steps for each new spin until in profit
144 unit bankroll suggested
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on May 30, 03:35 AM 2018
xs://ayk.github.io/tracker2/

If you think it’s neighbors then use this tracker..will be very helpful to look at what happens every 4 spins
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on May 30, 05:55 AM 2018
STRINGBEANPC looks at the 3 shapes and practices all the ideas that you can think of, the more ideas the better and the more you practice the sooner you will realize many things that happen and end in the holy grail.
Apart from that of vaddis, along the way, I have found very interesting forms of play, which also work well and which are very well played flat and with progression are winningly and easier than vaddis, but vaddis as well He says it's the perfect balance.
But to get to the end of vaddis, you will have to go through the whole process of testing and ideas to realize, as we all know, we all want to know things in detail with the minimum effort, but you only know how to win and not because .
That's why I recommend having to go through the whole process to realize everything.
If you notice if it is vaddis or a friend of yours, they say that at the end of the day I created a program because it was easier and I saw how the numbers fall because it seemed good to see it like that, I can confirm that a control is required and that I also opted for a program to make the game easier, but it can be done by looking at the last thing that comes out.
But as I say it is possible to improve the one of vaddis, I found very interesting forms of game.
For example:
When a trio is formed, look for the repetition or a repeater to play the repeater and its paired, if there is another add it and so on until you have a positive balance.
Most cases a repeater is accompanied by one or both paired, the same happens when there is a trio of numbers left, one of them ends up repeated. But there is more, hehehe, it is only an idea if someone wants to keep an eye, but it has nothing to do with the one of vaddis, but as these ideas I found several very interesting ones that are very well maintained.

regards


See your understanding the system you got off me ...not your ideas so don’t be posting them as they are yours you muppet...
Mine was the only thing you had to work from ...
Took from me under false pretences...and now passing off as your own...clown
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on May 30, 06:36 AM 2018
I think so, but now I'm thinking
neighbors, not just unhit singles in general.

I've had some success playing diagonals of hit nr.
Example:
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/05/30/temp_289583.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/siiLy)

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/05/30/temp_920999.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/siPvL)

Added new nrs until a hit and deleted all.  If overlap, only put 1u, not 2.  After 150spins things went back down because of long gaps between hits.

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/05/30/temp_463157.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sij9S)

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/05/30/temp_770186.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sicDo)

I noticed most hits come within a 4-spin range. 
Will try with  betting only last 4nrs max and their diagonals. 
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on May 30, 08:28 AM 2018
Diagonals mathematically mean a difference of 0,2,4 or 8 between a nr and its diagonal or itself.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on May 30, 04:30 PM 2018
At the end of the original Post vaddi wrote:
The fundamentals of the grail have not changed. The betting method still stands, but there is one betting adjustment that must be made on the table to take advantage of those two sides at the very same time and to take advantage of balance.

Adjustment must be made on the TABLE. So it could be to bet diagonal or something else. This was also a hint, that we dont bet the wheel Layout. Eberybody with me?

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on May 30, 04:43 PM 2018
I think I agree not to care about the wheel layout but rather concentrate on the table layout.  It's much easier for a 10 y-old to only watch the table than to know the wheel number order.

Could be +1/-1 for pairs, then switch to +2/-2 if dominant?  Provably something else, would be too easy...

Hard to tell...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on May 30, 04:58 PM 2018
That 10yo quote got me thinking in that direction too. If you divide the table in natural dozens or "niners".

So Number 1 came up we bet half of a chip on 1 and a chip on 4 and 7 on niners or 4,7,10 playing dozen Layout.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on May 30, 05:07 PM 2018
The ''half-a-chip'' stuff got me thinking too.

Thought of this:
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/05/30/temp_520982.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sPFhK)

In order to catch repeaters, unhits,...  repeater gets 54u on a hit, but unhits only 18...
It gets way too crowded after a few spins though...

I dunno.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on May 30, 05:13 PM 2018
Maybe ayks original tracker numbers in order 0 to 36 is easier on the eye for you guys
xs://ayk.github.io/tracker/
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on May 30, 05:22 PM 2018
What is the goal of the tracker?  To know which nrs came in cycle 1,2,3,... and how many?

How do you take advantage of it?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on May 30, 05:44 PM 2018
What is the goal of the tracker?  To know which nrs came in cycle 1,2,3,... and how many?

How do you take advantage of it?
It's ideal to track the Hotties!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on May 30, 07:20 PM 2018
At the end of the original Post vaddi wrote:
The fundamentals of the grail have not changed. The betting method still stands, but there is one betting adjustment that must be made on the table to take advantage of those two sides at the very same time and to take advantage of balance.

Adjustment must be made on the TABLE. So it could be to bet diagonal or something else. This was also a hint, that we dont bet the wheel Layout. Eberybody with me?






Ok I know this may seem like voodo stuff what I am about to write.

Say 1 hits would the other be 19? It's in the same spot on the table if you were to split the table in half. In other words if it a number that hits in the 1-18 you add 18. For example 5 hits now you play 5 and 23.

If a number hits in the 19-36 area you subtract 18. So 35 hits. You play 35 and 14. I know it sounds nuts but when I keep seeing the word balance keep popping up this is what I think of. You spilt the table in two.

Then play the number in the exact same location in the two area. Almost  as if it were a puzzle. Just an idea.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 30, 08:51 PM 2018
Looking at TABLE how about 'un-natural column splits'
(a chip on each number)

1,34:            2,35:            3,36

4/7                5/8              6/9

10/13         11/14          12/15

16/19         17/20          18/21

22/25         23/26          24/27

28/31         29/32          30/33
--------------------------------------------------------------
Bet the newest four unique splits on each spin.

If zero shows bet the zero and
the three newest unique splits.

Repeat until in profit.

Bankroll suggestion: 128 units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 30, 09:12 PM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Wednesday, May 30,2018 @ 8:08pm CDT USA

...36,25,26,12 (newest spin-value)

Bet 36,1    22,25     23,26     12,15:   

1.) 22(win)+28
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 30, 09:17 PM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Wednesday, May 30,2018 @ 8:14pm CDT USA

...35,1,15,5 (newest spin-value)

Bet 2,35       1,34         12,15         5,8:

1.) 1(win)+28
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 31, 02:07 AM 2018
One more thing Vaddi said at the beginning.

"For added accuracy you want (seven, eight or nine)
consecutive unique singles before betting" (paraphrase)

So perhaps qualify each session first before betting.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on May 31, 02:38 AM 2018
Probability of the first repeat of any shown number (in %)

{{1,2.7027},{2,5.25931},{3,7.46254},{4,9.14329},
{5,10.1935},{6,10.5792},{7,10.341},{8,9.58236},
{9,8.44931},{10,7.10453},{11,5.70282},{12,4.3717},
{13,3.2},{14,2.23535},{15,1.48879},{16,0.944243},
{17,0.569417},{18,0.325898},{19,0.176651},{20,0.0904612},
{21,0.0436414},{22,0.0197706},{23,0.00837944},{24,0.00330845},
{25,0.00121086},{26,0.000408421},{27,0.000126093},{28,0.0000353412},{29,8.90354×10-6},{30,1.99147×10-6},{31,3.89324×10-7},
{32,6.51701×10-8},{33,9.08199×10-9},{34,1.01159×10-9},
{35,8.44331×10-11},{36,4.69435×10-12}}

So perhaps qualify each session first before betting.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on May 31, 03:56 AM 2018
What is the goal of the tracker?  To know which nrs came in cycle 1,2,3,... and how many?

How do you take advantage of it?

Lots of thing this tracker is useful for ...you don’t have to go beyond the 37 spin cycle ...both trackers this and the other one shows you can study excactly how the singles doubles firm and where most of the repeats come from..the spacing of single numbers that go into splits ..from splits to double streets and most of these blocks turn into repeats..loads of stuff you can see happens
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: boyd30 on May 31, 07:26 AM 2018
Vaddis never revealed his system. He just gave clues and hints. People who claim to got it can't really be sure if it Vaddis or not. I think there can be twists to it or similar that might do as well good.  If you find it and it really is a banger that would make the casinos bankrupt like they said Vaddi and Turbo) Well, then keep it to youself.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: cht on May 31, 08:59 AM 2018
At the end of the original Post vaddi wrote:
The fundamentals of the grail have not changed. The betting method still stands, but there is one betting adjustment that must be made on the table to take advantage of those two sides at the very same time and to take advantage of balance.

Adjustment must be made on the TABLE. So it could be to bet diagonal or something else. This was also a hint, that we dont bet the wheel Layout. Eberybody with me?
Hi RFMAXX

Here's how I interprete Vaddis system. Earlier I posted plenty loss graphs on Turbo's thread. What I did was to invert the original bet to get loss graphs instead of win graphs. ;D

It's a bit complicated to explain how I play Vaddis. So I show you the graph and the bets that I make. You look at the graph, numbers and the final bet to interprete how I played. The number of numbers played is the same always and played continuously.

I don't guarantee that's how Vaddis play. I also don't know if it will win. But on RS that's the result I got, that's all I can tell you. You do the test yourself. And it still need improvements. But it is a good start. And I don't have the time to do further test. So I hand this to you and all you Vaddis enthusiasts.

Perhaps this is nothing. Just some nonsense shit I cook up, so I held back to share. But I chose to share with you since you ask, don't blame me or throw rotten tomatoes if does not work. :)

Good luck people ! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: cht on May 31, 10:37 AM 2018
19, 7,36,7,10,3

Bet all numbers except 9,29,17,27,6,16,26,10,20,30,13,23,33(13numbers)

19,7,36,7,10,3,16 lose

Bet all numbers except 9,29,17,27,6,36,26,10,20,30,13,23,33(13numbers)

19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33 lose

Bet all numbers except 9,29,17,27,6,36,26,10,20,30,3,13,23(13numbers)

19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13 lose

Bet all numbers except 9,29,17,27,6,36,26,10,20,30,3,23,33(13numbers)

19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26,25 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26,25,2 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26,25,2,12 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26,25,2,12,2 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26,25,2,12,2,27 lose

Bet all numbers except 9,29,77,17,6,36,26,10,20,30,3,23,33(13numbers)

19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26,25,2,12,2,27,25 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26,25,2,12,2,27,25,15 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26,25,2,12,2,27,25,15,10 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26,25,2,12,2,27,25,15,10,24 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26,25,2,12,2,27,25,15,10,24,35 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26,25,2,12,2,27,25,15,10,24,35,25 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26,25,2,12,2,27,25,15,10,24,35,25,22 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26,25,2,12,2,27,25,15,10,24,35,25,22,22 win
19,7,36,7,10,3,16,19,1,12,28,5,34,33,13,26,25,2,12,2,27,25,15,10,24,35,25,22,22,25 win

That's how I played the game. Hope this helps you somehow figure out Vaddis holy grail.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: cht on May 31, 10:52 AM 2018
I made some mistakes in the post above but always update the numbers following loss - that's the idea anyway. The invert thinking makes it difficult.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: cht on May 31, 11:21 AM 2018
This is a slightly longer game to make it past 1000units. Do your own test perhaps incorporate some parts of the idea to your own.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on May 31, 12:20 PM 2018
CHT, big thx for sharing.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: boyd30 on May 31, 01:39 PM 2018
I don't think that's how Vaddis play but it can be as well good as his system? I don't think Vaddis bet on many numbers. Anyway, thanks for sharing. I saw a martingale somewhere for 24 numbers, but this is flatbetting with less risk. Haven't figured out yet how you choose the numbers, but maybe someone can tell?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 31, 09:27 PM 2018
I'm more inclined to think now Vaddi is encouraging four
newest repeaters and four newest uniques as the qualifier to bet.

So, I am attaching Track Four to track
unhit singles, uniques and repeaters.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 31, 09:49 PM 2018
Test: Celtic American Wheel-
Thursday, May 31,2018 @ 8:46pm CDT USA

...32,15,3,30,30,18,10,14,26,16,28,28,35,30,
24,30,33,16,21,9,13,15 (newest-spin-value)

Repeat singles: 30,28,15,16

Bet the repeat singles and the newest four uniques.

Bet 30,28,15,16 & 13,9,21,33:      1.) 00(x)-8

Bet 30,28,15,16 & 9,21,33,00:      2.) 27(x)-8

Bet 30,28,15,16 & 21,33,00,27:    3.) 00(win)+28
-------------------------------------------------------------------
+12
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 31, 10:14 PM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Thursday, May 31,2018 @ 9:08pm CDT USA

...0,6,0,6,30,2,22,24,34,2,5,
20,7,23,22 (newest spin-value)

Repeat singles: 0,6,2,22

Bet the repeat singles and newest four uniques.

Bet 0,6,2,22 & 23,7,20,5:    1.) 20(win)+28
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Wally Gator on May 31, 10:54 PM 2018
Proof, bet the repeat singles going back how far??
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 31, 11:01 PM 2018
You need four repeat singles. 

Looking at a window of 12 to 25 spins.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on May 31, 11:21 PM 2018
Rolling or restart at new high?  What do you suggest?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on May 31, 11:26 PM 2018
Restart at new high
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 01, 12:10 AM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Thursday, May 31,2018 @ 10:54pm CDT USA

...10,13,11,20,12,34,29,27,14,10,13,
10,23,26,27,10,15,20 (newest spin-value)

Repeat singles: 10,13,27,20

Bet the newest repeat singles & newest four uniques.

Bet 10,13,27,20 & 14,23,26,15:    1.) 25(x)-8

Bet 10,13,27,20 & 23,26,15,25:    2.) 34(x)-8*
(new repeater in, old out)

Bet 13,27,20,34 & 23,26,15,25:    3.) 26(win)+28
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+12
==============================
Bankroll suggestion: 144 units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 01, 12:59 AM 2018
Just had a scare :q
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Thursday, May 31,2018 @ 11:16pm CDT USA

Total losses=-144

Total wins: +52
----------------------------------------------------
-92 units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 01, 04:23 AM 2018
I tried 0,1:  1,2, etc and lost a fortune

Even Natural column splits:
1/4, 2/5, etc lost (not as much)

Vaddi's 1% still a mystery
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: cht on Jun 01, 11:25 AM 2018
You only need 1% to achieve things like this ...
Logically, it does not always go that well, that must be made clear, but winning always wins.(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/01/temp_795660.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sgR3K)
Lets spam winning graphs, how about that ?

Anybody can do this easily all day long.

Either you tell your method like I did above or you are baiting !
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: boyd30 on Jun 01, 01:19 PM 2018
I don't think Vaddis is an upgoing winpattern all the time. It goes up and down but you can catch the winnings. Also  I don't think Vaddis bet more than 8 numbers.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 01, 04:40 PM 2018
I'm ucking bored, her indoors watching crap on the box, the boy is do the insanity challange, can't even go to the pub, not allowed to many units for my med condition.
So is this any good
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/01/temp_336864.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sjl6l)
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/01/temp_621807.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sjwCc)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 01, 04:44 PM 2018
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/01/temp_295966.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sj0ca)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 01, 04:47 PM 2018
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/01/temp_131515.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sj9OF)

On reset we have to remember from averages what?
The common 9/10
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 01, 04:57 PM 2018
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/01/temp_583427.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sjSfA)
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/01/temp_171211.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sjxGs)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 01, 05:28 PM 2018
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/01/temp_565088.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sjQLQ)
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/01/temp_753519.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sjYoy)
As the 14 got back to starting high i reset, the 24 came and phone call forgot to lay the 24 would been new high.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 01, 05:55 PM 2018
If you can have a graph like that all the time, then it would qualify to be a HG
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/01/temp_345380.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sj36L)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ozon on Jun 01, 06:50 PM 2018
Passion
The conception you use is 2 streams of numbers, it has already been introduced by other users. I do not want to explain the strategies.
But this is a good way by half reducing the effectiveness of hits.
I just did not get into Vaddis strategy, but if it's based on what I think, it's a very good concept.

Recently, I have so many concepts to play, that I do not know what to take, to test. I have really little time to take over everything
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ozon on Jun 01, 08:09 PM 2018
What can I say
A certain person said everything on this forum, you should suggest something interesting.
I did not have the time to test  fully the concept, but as it says, if you have a chance to play, this concept shortens it by half.
In all my posts, I asked for information, I received it from one person, I gave in return my profitable forex strategy.
Like I said if someone will give me knowledge
I will give you 30% profit
If knowledge works, please contact me
But knowledge must work longterm
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 01, 10:13 PM 2018
Well, good!  I'm sure you're onto something interesting.
What are your conditions to enter a game?

P.S:  is this google translate for Proofreader2000?
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/01/temp_481124.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sjNLg)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: cht on Jun 01, 10:20 PM 2018
Finish the session collected in real casino face, hehehe less badly, it took a long time, I got tired ...
23 entries only 4 falls, which logically quickly recovered, surely this being analyzed is even more accurate than vaddis, he said it, surely could be improved, I hope he has achieved, hehehe.
Before confirming it I will quarantine it with my colleagues to do hundreds of sessions as if they were 3-6 years of game to verify, as we always do.
here is the finished graph.
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/01/temp_600039.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sjDQU)
You have to wait for conditions to enter the game. :xd: :xd: :xd:

Your knowledge is still behind. Not there yet. That's why you try to steal ideas from other ppl. >:D

This is real knowledge, play continuously, no waiting needed.

Only way to do that is to combine Vaddis with TG ideas.  :thumbsup:

When you have achieved that go to roulettesimulator to play your game then post your chart here. You should easily post charts like I do I achieve my 1000units target in 17 spins. The rest is bs.

I even allow you to see my final bet, no problem. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: cht on Jun 01, 10:55 PM 2018
I am very happy for you if you already have a way to win, it does not look like mine according to the photo of your bet and my winnings playing with chips of 1 if I put them to 10, it would be 2500 units, hehehe.

You did not learn what I try to point to you. You took 140spins to get to 1000+ units. I reach that target in 17 spins. Do you get it now ?

Tomorrow I send you a stay of 200-300 balls and make it in rx to have that, if you want.
I hope it continues like this, if it works, but I advise you to try real balls.
regards :thumbsup: :xd:
Ofc it is not the same like your bets. I already learnt your bet. Nothing special.

You want to be better then learn the PRINCIPLES of Vaddis and TG.

Vaddis is about paired numbers and balance.

TG is about repeaters and math(frequency distribution).

They both play continuously.

They refer to "patterns".

If you try to only find patterns you won't go very far.

You have to understand what those patterns mean from the PRINCIPLE point of view in random distribution.

That's the stumbling block for most people. They try to find patterns instead of what the pattern means in random distribution.

Disclaimer - roulettesimulator chart is played on rigged rng. If you understand how you can produce graphs like this.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 02, 01:50 AM 2018
Mathematically each number you play
on a European Wheel is minus the house edge.

So for every dollar I play I should get a return of 97.3 cents
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Einstein was right.
==============================
Years ago I created a system called Network 111

I had some success with it (and it ties in with Vaddi's 'pairings')

These numbers go together:

A.) 1,4,7 & 30,33,36               D.) 12,15,18 & 19,22,25

B.) 2,5,8 & 29,32,35               E.)  11,14,17 & 20,23,26

C.) 3,6,9 & 28,31,34               F.)  10,13,16 & 21,24,27

Procedure: Play each group when it shows
and zero (for the required seven numbers in play)

*play both zeros on American wheel (eight numbers in play)

Stop when in profit.

Bankroll suggestion: 144 units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: cht on Jun 02, 04:22 AM 2018
Finish the session collected in real casino face, hehehe less badly, it took a long time, I got tired ...
23 entries only 4 falls[/color][/u], which logically quickly recovered, surely this being analyzed is even more accurate than vaddis, he said it, surely could be improved, I hope he has achieved, hehehe.
Before confirming it I will quarantine it with my colleagues to do hundreds of sessions as if they were 3-6 years of game to verify, as we always do.
here is the finished graph.
For the benefit of the members. I interprete the graph what he means with that bolded part.

The flat part of the graph is when he waits for the "right conditions" where imbalance occurs.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jun 02, 04:49 AM 2018
For the benefit of the members. I interprete the graph what he means with that bolded part.

The flat part of the graph is when he waits for the "right conditions" where imbalance occurs.

Not really cht passion makes these graphs up...never go into Skype or pm him as he just wants what you have...
All his post are contradictory...
He does not have the method he’s still looking and wants people to do it for him...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: cht on Jun 02, 05:01 AM 2018
Not really cht passion makes these graphs up...never go into Skype or pm him as he just wants what you have...
All his post are contradictory...
He does not have the method he’s still looking and wants people to do it for him...
OK, Thanks 6th-sense. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 02, 09:59 AM 2018
Sixth sense is angry because he contacted me by Skype and said a bullshit that he already knew and for that bullshit he wanted me to tell him how to really play the game and how he does not accept to give it to him, that's why he is like that.
If you want to pay attention to the sixth sense and let yourself be influenced by him, as you wish, but everyone who does what he wants.
If you want to chat with me, I have no problem.
regards :thumbsup:
You are so full of shit Passion! You are only here to mislead People and Let them believe that you Have the HG. But you know shit! Oeps! Just used that word for the second Time  :smile:
6th Sence is one of the Most honest People i ever met and a very nice Guy that is Always trying to help others Without benefit to himself. He has helped me countless of Times Without wanting something in return. You can't come even close to to the person 6th is passion. You are only after our money, with making false claims, kust after our money. If i were a moderator, i would Have removed you a LongTime ago.  >:(
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jun 02, 12:47 PM 2018
Ok, so is the envy and anger that they have of losing money and wanting to detail them about vaddis and make it clear.
If we are interested do not come here to seek help and better clues.
I am giving clues, graphs and detailing the importance of vaddis, you are ungrateful, you only want things on a silver platter and nobody will do that.
Aora I understand why the best disappear or do not give more clues, there are many ungrateful people.
I also disappear soon from this forum, I already have my HG and I do not give a shit what they think or say, keep looking :thumbsup: :lol: :lol:

I’m not losing anything Sergio...your a con man just letting everyone one else know...thought you were going ages ago with the hg you had..lol
Here’s a pic of my balance right now...no charts where’s yours ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 02, 01:28 PM 2018
Estoy fuera, pero esta noche te pongo lo que llevo ganado estos dias :thumbsup:
Yes yes, same to you. Now f... Off!
Go take your scam elswhere.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jun 02, 03:38 PM 2018
I meant that I will put what I have of balance in the casino that I won during the week, jo jo, who has won and who does not. You have lost an opportunity with me, I will not give more clues, do not reflect where to look, no graphics, I will help people for private, you do not deserve my help, you win right? Hahaha, or do you just lose?
It's past you two :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Your help lol your a joke Sergio...winning the last week? Thought you had this hg nailed ages ago ..won’t be expecting to see you again then ..you been working out at the gym to carry that holy grail of yours that was too heavy the other week to get out of the forum doors?
Your full of sxxt...
Nice knowing you buddy don’t slam it on the way out
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 02, 10:28 PM 2018
Alright.  One more shot at this:

                                         -----*Vaddi's Perfect Balance System*-----

Procedure: Track until you have two repeat singles (qualifier). 

Bet those two, the newest two unique singles and
the next numerically higher number of all four respectively.

(Perfect balance: two repeaters, two uniques, two unhit singles)

Example: 12,0,28,7,9,31,5,28,1,35,31 (newest spin-value)

Bet 28,31: 29,32 & 35,1: 36,2 once.

Repeat steps until in profit.

Bankroll suggestion: 144 units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 02, 10:31 PM 2018

I say it openly, maybe to someone who offered me a good amount, I would give it to them, why not?
:

Hei Mr. lopez
I m very sorry for u that u could hook up any fish till now.

Here i m ur tuna. Tell me exactly how much do u want for ur grail. ??
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 02, 11:31 PM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Saturday, June 2,2018 @ 9:43pm CDT USA

...14,9,17,0,12,30,3,13,25,32,11,
14,19,1,00,17 (newest spin-value)

Repeat singles: 14,17

Bet 14,15: 17,18: 00,1: 2:    1.) 2(win)+29
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Saturday, June 2,2018 @ 9:48pm CDT USA

...31,1,10,2,30,6,31,16,26,35,2 (newest spin-value)

Repeat singles: 31,2

Bet 31,32: 2,3: 35,36: 26,27:    1.) 14(x)-8

Bet 31,32: 2,3: 35,36: 14,15:    2.) 17(x)-8

Bet 31,32: 2,3: 14,15: 17,18:    3.) 6(x)-8

Newest two repeat singles: 2,6

Bet : 2,3: 6,7: 14,15: 17,18:       4.) 1(x)-8

Newest two repeat singles: 6,1

Bet 6,7: 1,2: 17,18: 14,15:         5.) 6(win)+29

Bet 6,7: 1,2: 17,18: 14,15:         6.) 32(x)-8

Bet 6,7: 1,2: 17,18: 32,33:         7.) 33(win)+29
----------------------------------------------------------------
+18
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 03, 12:16 AM 2018
PR,

how many games/trial did you do with the system you are using?  Is it a few hundreds, a few dozens?
What is the max profit; worst loss?

Did every session recover?  How long does it take to recover?

Profit estimates and return on investment expectations?

Sell your stuff!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 03, 01:00 AM 2018
Thanks for that vote of confidence Bigbroben

I didn't know there was a demand for my 'stuff'.

I have hundreds of systems over the last 10 years.

Let me what I can do :d
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 03, 06:59 AM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Sunday, June 3,2018 @ 5:04am CDT USA

...2,5,26,0,30,33,35,12,13,27,36,24,10,15,
17,4,32,20,22,13,16,00,9,5 (newest spin-value)

Bet 13,15: 14,16: 9,10: 00,1:    1.) 9(win)+28
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Sunday, June 3,2018 @ 5:17am CDT USA

...27,13,17,22,32,9,25,18,
24,25,35,27 (newest spin-value)

Bet 25,27: 26,28: 35,36: 24:         1.) 15(x)-7

Bet 25,27: 26,28: 35,36, 15,16:    2.) 34(x)-8

Bet 25,27, 26,28, 15,16, 34,35:    3.) 31(x)-8

Bet 25,27,26,28,34,35, 31,32:      4.) 26(win)+29
--------------------------------------------------------------------
+6
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Sunday, June 3,2018 @ 5:26am CDT USA

...13,34,20,26,13,1,1 (newest spin-value)

Bet 13,1: 14,2: 26,27: 20,21:    1.) 27(win)+28
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 03, 07:26 AM 2018
Holy Crap!

PR was actually addressed to Passion Ruleta...
Lol.....

Still, I like the proposal you made previously with the 2rep/2hit/4pair.

Did not have time to test but got ok results with the following:
2u on the hit, 1u on each of the+1/-1 neighbours.
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/03/temp_125244.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/scWe1)

What is better now: reset on a hit or at new high?  Wait for a trigger before to bet, like 4 non-repeaters in 4 streets?

Which rolling number of nrs?  7? 8?

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 03, 07:49 AM 2018
Example:
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/03/temp_474581.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/scxa5)

2u on hits, 1u on +1/-1nrs, looking backward until first overlap of neighbors.

Here, units on nrs backward until 0:  nr12 is a repeater, roll over.  nr24 overlaps with 23, so stop on zero.  So 2u on 23, 12, 15, 0; 1u on 22-24 (23), 11-13 (12), 14-16 (15), 36-1 (0).
And a hit on zero comes next.
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/03/temp_497079.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/scMir)

Would it hold longer?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 03, 08:21 AM 2018
Holding on so far...
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/03/temp_874171.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/scY2x)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kattila on Jun 05, 10:33 AM 2018
Just let you know there are other ways, not only vaddis..... ;)
Saludos compañero ruletero ....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 05, 10:57 AM 2018
Just let you know there are other ways, not only vaddis..... ;)
Saludos compañero ruletero ....
Yes there are indeed, only usualy they reguire a huge bankroll.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: maestro on Jun 05, 05:17 PM 2018
Quote
1) This is what happens in a session that behaves in a normal way with vaddis.fichas de 5e
2) This is a session that behaves very well with 50e chips


so session knows what chip value you bet...are you sane...get lost :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: boyd30 on Jun 06, 01:21 AM 2018
Bigbroben, so you start to bet when you get a repeater, within 4 spins? Betting the same number again and its neighbours on the layout. I think Vaddis grail must be somewhere here? But maybe you can find your own Vaddi? Good job!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Robbert on Jun 06, 03:07 AM 2018
Its all honky dory with the vage tips you are giving us. Just tell us how to play.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jesus69 on Jun 06, 05:52 AM 2018
I can only reflect one thing, gentlemen.
Aora I understand why many people could not decipher the holy grail of vaddis, the change of 1% is what makes this game clearly a long-term winner, but that small change is difficult to detect if you really do not realize many hours of study and It is progressing on the game on the fly and logically have a head where different ideas are available, because if you stay with fixed ideas of what he explains, they can never get it.
Once you get it, just pick up the pick and shovel and start digging and winning.
Vaddis was right, fear would have the casino if all the players did the same ... :lol:

regards

PS: I still confirm that vaddis is the holy grail and I still tell you more, if you dig deeper it is possible to play everything in a row. >:D

I can guarantee you that It will not win in the long run. Eventually random will catch you. Test it on 10,000 spins and see how many loses you encounter?

My system that I play is not a grail but it can go on winning for 10k spins. Let me know if yours passes?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on Jun 06, 06:43 AM 2018
 
the change of 1% is what makes this game clearly a long-term winner, but that small change is difficult to detect if you really do not realize many hours of study and It is progressing on the game on the fly and logically have a head where different ideas are available, because if you stay with fixed ideas of what he explains, they can never get it.
Once you get it, just pick up the pick and shovel and start digging and winning.

Aora
You have no idea of mathematics   :lol:

Aora
You have no idea of programming  :lol::lol:

Aora
If you really would have  found something you never would be able to make a proof  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Last Aora
Why do you want to sell ?  Winners don't sell.

Your holy grail seems to be a greily hole.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: D1 on Jun 07, 04:58 PM 2018
Well for the last time I will say that vaddis is amazing, think about this if you want to get it.
Think of roulette in these terms and not others:

24 numbers land
12 times the proportion of land

twenty-one.

Factors 4 and 8

24/8 = 3
12/4 = 3

That is the basis of the grail.

The progressions will never work.

I will not say anything else.

The holy grail is before your eyes and you do not see it.

PS: anyone has the right to sell what they want, each one decides if it is worth paying.
I do not sell it for less than € 10,000, it's that clear.
and I would only do it to one person.
We already know 3 people.
regards :thumbsup:

If what you have is so good why dont you just fuckoff and play it then instead of trying to scam money out of people
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 07, 05:09 PM 2018
If what you have is so good why dont you just fuckoff and play it then instead of trying to scam money out of people

Love it D1, straight to the point, i told Taotie but he dont just fuckoff either LOL.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 07, 06:26 PM 2018
Give it a try on the stitched spins on MPR, Maestro loves the toilet paper spins  :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jun 07, 07:51 PM 2018
Ok in the last 8 numbers that have come out, there are no repeats. This is the trigger. 2 comes out, you play 1 and 3. 14 comes out next. You play 13 and 15. Make any sense? Balance? It's all about balance? It's so easy a child can do it supposedly. You play the other two numbers in the street that have not hit after 8 unique numbers have come out.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 07, 08:43 PM 2018
Here's another idea for Vaddi's :)

Note the two newest High and Low outcomes.

Bet the corresponding natural column splits once:

Example: 20,31,4,28,19,7 (newest spin-value)

Bet 1/4, 7/10 & 19/22, 25/28 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 07, 09:43 PM 2018
Passion,
What has number 21 to do with this?  How do you use it?

Do your  trigger change after a few spins?  The conditions for you to enter a game are the same or do they differ, as more spins behind you can be evaluated?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on Jun 08, 01:42 AM 2018
We already know 3 people.

How many people is "we" ?

How do you call your "family" ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jun 08, 01:58 AM 2018
I do not scam anyone, I am giving a unique opportunity to only one person to have the true holy grail.
I do not care what you say, I know my intentions and they are good.
I already have results, but why am I not going to benefit from good money selling a way to earn? I decide what I do with what I have, nobody else can do it, I am the one with the vaddis grail, that's why I decide to do what I want and I've been studying roulette for twelve years.
Could be a selfish shit like many there is here, but look like I'm silly that I give the opportunity to a person to acquire vaddis, the same at any time change of opinion and disappear and then everyone who had the option you will regret, hahaha .
If you notice recently I uploaded a picture of my earnings to silence a person's mouth and now I'm going to shut you up and I'll show you how my account is going right now playing with chips of 5 euros, I started with chips 1 euro and aora game with chips of 5, even sometimes I put some fatter tab because I know it works.
I'm sorry if this bothers you, but I can not do anything if I have such a simple way of winning and winning. :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbsup:
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/07/temp_939191.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/s8Caf)

Sergio your still full of shit...you remind me so much of Simon from the win3million scam...if anyone bothers to actually read through your post and see the massively contradictory comments they will work it out that your full of it for sure...
Selling your system? Nice shot putting a picture up with a hit? Come members don’t be fooled by this slime ball..
Win3million did just the same he must have made 100 of thousands...a lot cleverer than you are Sergio...
Your new strategy to lull people into handing money over just says it all..who the hell would sell a hg for that amount when you can make it in a few weeks..😂thought you were going the other week...but yet your still here ..just a sleazeball
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 08, 02:31 AM 2018
Yes he can go back to GF and take the bottom feeder with him
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Blood Angel on Jun 08, 11:06 AM 2018
If what you have is so good why dont you just fuckoff and play it then instead of trying to scam money out of people

Lol Dave!!!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Gzgzbee on Jun 08, 06:06 PM 2018
Think this might be the HG.

x.3dlines.co.uk
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jun 08, 07:10 PM 2018
x.3dlines.co.uk


If you are going to spam or troll, at least you can keep it roulette-related.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: The General on Jun 08, 08:47 PM 2018
(http://x://x.clker.com/cliparts/0/7/4/2/1206569735140917528pitr_green_arrows_set_1.svg.hi.png)

Why do you waste your time posting a graph of just 140 spins?  That's about as statistically relevant as posting a graph of just one spin.  ::)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 08, 08:49 PM 2018
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :thumbsup:(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/08/temp_769847.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/s8ZZQ)

Never seen a bullshit graph like this before. Dont u have little bit of shame?

Even to be a successfull scamer/seller you need to have brain.

R u gonna say dont care? A shit also dont care will it smell or not. Thats why we need some air freshner.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 08, 10:17 PM 2018
Good games, Rouletta!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 08, 11:44 PM 2018
Good day members.I am personally trying to refine Vaddis system for about 20 months now.Spent a lot of hours testing my findings and I will admit that it’s a great challenge.
Still thinking if it’s constantly 8 numbers bet or can be less during the 37 cycle.These who tried to uncover Vaddis grail will probably know what I mean.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 08, 11:49 PM 2018
Congrats Roulettepasion if you really got through.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 09, 12:59 AM 2018
I could publish hundreds like this graphic, I have done so many tests and I am playing with real money and winning as vaddis.
I only do it to encourage people to get it, to hurt or bother not to see my subject.
But are there any in this forum that can be graphed with real face-to-face casino numbers?
Who?
Do you want to stay in the casino? Whoever makes me graphical playing flat like the ones I have uploaded? ah, do not forgive, can not you? They are too good, or need to see if it is skewed, or if the ball goes to the right or left and at what speed ... hahaha.
Vaddis is the holy grail, stop looking for bullshit and invent systems nonsense and having to look for biases or collect thousands of balls or make progress that make you lose thousands of euros as one that I know ...  :lol: :lol:
Do not waste time, put yourself with vaddis seriously and you will see that he told the whole truth and I confirm it, and even more when you realize, you will also begin to understand the principle of the dovecote that spoke the dyslexic or something like that.
PS: If before 37 balls I always win, why do I want to shoot thousands of balls? :xd: :thumbsup:
With All respect, please learn to write english! I Have to re-read your posts twice before i can Make anything out of it.  :yawn:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Jun 09, 12:51 PM 2018
I could publish hundreds like this graphic, I have done so many tests and I am playing with real money and winning as vaddis.
I only do it to encourage people to get it, to hurt or bother not to see my subject.
But are there any in this forum that can be graphed with real face-to-face casino numbers?
Who?
Do you want to stay in the casino? Whoever makes me graphical playing flat like the ones I have uploaded? ah, do not forgive, can not you? They are too good, or need to see if it is skewed, or if the ball goes to the right or left and at what speed ... hahaha.
Vaddis is the holy grail, stop looking for bullshit and invent systems nonsense and having to look for biases or collect thousands of balls or make progress that make you lose thousands of euros as one that I know ...  :lol: :lol:
Do not waste time, put yourself with vaddis seriously and you will see that he told the whole truth and I confirm it, and even more when you realize, you will also begin to understand the principle of the dovecote that spoke the dyslexic or something like that.
PS: If before 37 balls I always win, why do I want to shoot thousands of balls? :xd: :thumbsup:

Passion, if you play vaddis correct, then you will have graphs that going down at the beginning. You know why (if you really know vaddis). And it takes almost all 37 spins to go back to plus. Sometimes the win is less than 10 units. So why not posting one of these charts? The always winning big charts are misleading.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 09, 02:18 PM 2018
Passion, if you play vaddis correct, then you will have graphs that going down at the beginning. You know why (if you really know vaddis). And it takes almost all 37 spins to go back to plus. Sometimes the win is less than 10 units. So why not posting one of these charts? The always winning big charts are misleading.
Because that is the only thing he can do Right, misleading Forum members.
He don't has anything. Let him be, he is not worth it.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 09, 02:20 PM 2018
Passion, if you play vaddis correct, then you will have graphs that going down at the beginning. You know why (if you really know vaddis). And it takes almost all 37 spins to go back to plus. Sometimes the win is less than 10 units. So why not posting one of these charts? The always winning big charts are misleading.
By the way, i did pm you, but no Response yet. Can you look into it, thanks.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 09, 02:37 PM 2018
“plus before 37-th spin”.I am trying every new version of Vaddis up to 8-37 cycles .If I am not in plus than I make some changes.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 09, 04:59 PM 2018
Quick idea

Bet newest of of each column and a column number
on either side.  Repeat with new spin values each spin.

Example: 21,14,34 (newest spin-value)

Bet 18,21,24          11,14,17          31,34,1:    1.) 27(x)

Bet 24,27,30          11,14,17          31,34,1:    2.) ....

Bankroll suggestion: 144 units total
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 09, 05:49 PM 2018
Is it any reason why to use this betting method?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: boyd30 on Jun 10, 11:10 AM 2018
Ok in the last 8 numbers that have come out, there are no repeats. This is the trigger. 2 comes out, you play 1 and 3. 14 comes out next. You play 13 and 15. Make any sense? Balance? It's all about balance? It's so easy a child can do it supposedly. You play the other two numbers in the street that have not hit after 8 unique numbers have come out.

It's not that simple. I have tried different tests. Must be that one percent missing. What it is? I don't know.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jun 10, 04:17 PM 2018
No repeats for 8 spins. You now start betting.

7 comes out. Non hit

 13 comes out. Non hit

You bet 7 and 13.

23 comes out. Non hit.

You bet 7,13,23. If you reach the 8 number stage without a hit, you bet all 8 numbers that have come out.

If you lose on spin 9, you drop the oldest number and put in the newest hit number.

His words
Let's assume that 10 is the maximum of numbers that you will bet on.

Stage 1) Begin single sequence to X numbers (where X represents the maximum numbers that you will bet on)

You enter casino and the number ...

13 has just dropped. Place your unit chip on it. (1 unit in total)

30 drops instead. Now place a unit on 13 and 30 (2 units total)

17 drops instead. Now place a unit on 13, 30, and 17 (3 units total)

13 drops. You win and make a profit.

Because you are in profit and because you have not reached your X number limit of 10, you will continue the process all over again, by placing a unit chip on your last dropped number, which is 13. You will continue this process of betting on every number that drops.

Now, as I've said, "The X number is important" and it's not 10 .

As another clue, I suggest that you create a stepping sequence (like above) wherein if you hit the last number in that sequence, you will break even.

If you use 10, you will have 10 numbers on the table if you reach your 10-number limit. And, if the ball lands on that last set of 10, you'll make a small loss and the funny thing is that 10 numbers doesn't improve accuracy over the lower, perfect X number.


Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 10, 08:19 PM 2018
Irish.How about doubles and singles ?“ if 2 lands you bet 2 and 3.”
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 11, 01:14 AM 2018
The one of vaddis is a very important knowledge, that one 1% is a sudden change in the game and important that changes the game completely and makes you win.
I hope that some of you will be lucky enough to realize how Ami passed me from so many tests and tests.
But here I am and I already made my proposal in this forum.
regards
Just spit it out man, Without asking 10.000 euro for it. It's only a Matter of Time, before someone Will post the complete method here, and they arn't charching anything for it. Then you can say Goodbye to you're ten Grand.
Anyone Who is asking money for something Without knowing for sure what they buy, does 't belong here. They are all scammers:wink:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Anastasius on Jun 11, 03:15 AM 2018
Hi im new. I play just single zero wheel. i really want something tested on big amount spins. and theres a story behind it. do i go to testing zone ive read many of all of your posts here for like a year. determined chaps.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Robbert on Jun 11, 03:35 AM 2018
Well spoken!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kairomancer on Jun 11, 06:54 AM 2018
If you are really honest about the idea of helping others and earning something in return.
Why not just share it with no conditions attached.
I am absolutely sure if you give out what you claim you have and it really does work,
then forum members would be also nice to you in return
Just think about mutual trust.

Simply open a thread disclose your ideas and ask for something in return.
If you really share the working HG, forum member would be happily appreciate your intentions and you got back way more than 10k in donations.
You could also share the method with Steve for free to validate it first, then you can release it to donating members.

I encorouge other members to do the same with their ideas as well.
This is a how an open community model should be.
People help, share then contributors recieve back.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 11, 09:04 AM 2018
If you are really honest about the idea of helping others and earning something in return.
Why not just share it with no conditions attached.
I am absolutely sure if you give out what you claim you have and it really does work,
then forum members would be also nice to you in return
Just think about mutual trust.

Simply open a thread disclose your ideas and ask for something in return.
If you really share the working HG, forum member would be happily appreciate your intentions and you got back way more than 10k in donations.
You could also share the method with Steve for free to validate it first, then you can release it to donating members.

I encorouge other members to do the same with their ideas as well.
This is a how an open community model should be.
People help, share then contributors recieve back.
Now that's a very good idea. Just ask for donations passion or set up a private Forum with other members and ask a weekly donations of some kind, so we can learn. A private school for that matter. But not asking 10.000 euro and accept that we All bite... When you want to buy a house, don't you wanna Explore First and Have a look at it, so you know exactly what you are gonna buy?
Think about it. There is not a person in the world Who would give you 10 Grand Without knowing the ins and outs about the System, i Just can't believe that. If you say otherwise, you are a lyer.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Ricky on Jun 11, 09:55 AM 2018
5 chips. :thumbsup:
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/10/temp_950019.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/sZoIK)
Hi PassionRuleta,
do you like my graph?
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/11/temp_372316.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/skDQr)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kairomancer on Jun 11, 01:04 PM 2018
Oki, vaddis I will not reveal it but I can say ideas that I have had about the time that vaddis studies and that I left behind, but they have nothing to do with VADDIS
Anything is as good as much money can be made on it in the real world.

Just spare us from the confusion. Share the real deal.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: D.Karas on Jun 11, 01:57 PM 2018
He doesent have anything guys stop asking for info.Is just some good runs thats all.And if someone has it he will never reveal it to nobody.Trust me.Nobody cares if you winning or loosing.And it wont be long till he realizes bragging about something you cannot prove you have wont get you anywhere
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 12, 12:07 AM 2018
Got a new idea. Looking good so far:

Note the newest High and Low Streets.

Bet three chips on those
two streets, a chip on each zero.

(seven numbers in play, European Wheel:
Eight numbers in play, American Wheel)

Bankroll suggestion: 84 units Euro: 96 units American
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 12, 01:43 AM 2018
A tweak on Irish88's idea re: streets:

Track the newest four outcomes. 
Qualifier is four unique streets in four spins.

After the qualifier bet the two unhit
numbers in those streets and zero.

*Nine numbers in play

(On the American wheel place a chip on the 0/00 split)

Repeat steps until in profit.

Bankroll suggestion: 108 units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 12, 05:43 AM 2018
So how much cash did vaddis  make outta this  method ????
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 12, 05:51 AM 2018
So how much cash did vaddis  make outta this  method ????
Don't know know. He stated in the past that once he had reached 1.000.000 dollar, he would reveil it in the open. But or he hasn't Made 1.000.000 yet or he has but changed his mind in making it public.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Taotie on Jun 12, 05:54 AM 2018
But or he hasn't Made 1.000.000 yet or he has but changed his mind in making it public.

Or, he was full of shit....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 12, 06:05 AM 2018
Well it hasnt given the method ...and people still cant work it out ...ive backtested what i thought it was but it failed ......meanwhile theres always turbo genius .....lol
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 09:03 AM 2018
I hope Vaddis system is real.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 10:43 AM 2018
I decided to share with my ideas about Vaddis .Point by point.Holders off Vaddis ,watch and don’t let me reveal something that shouldn’t be revealed yet.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 12:32 PM 2018
1.Wait for 8 singles/non-repeats..........
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ZERO on Jun 12, 12:55 PM 2018
1.Wait for 8 singles/non-repeats..........

2. ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 01:08 PM 2018
 2.
Stage 1.
Bet on pair double-single / always choose single moving forward ,example 1-2,4-5.
Start with one pair.If won ,start all over.
If lost ,bet on 2 pairs,3 pairs,4 pairs.
Continue until you reach four pairs.
If didn’t get any profit bet on four pairs until you bankroll reach -36.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ZERO on Jun 12, 01:46 PM 2018
2.
Stage 1.
Bet on pair double-single / always choose single moving forward ,example 1-2,4-5.
Start with one pair.If won ,start all over.
If lost ,bet on 2 pairs,3 pairs,4 pairs.
Continue until you reach four pairs.
If didn’t get any profit bet on four pairs until you bankroll reach -36.

2.
Stage 2. ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 12, 02:00 PM 2018
2.
Stage 1.
Bet on pair double-single / always choose single moving forward ,example 1-2,4-5.
Start with one pair.If won ,start all over.
If lost ,bet on 2 pairs,3 pairs,4 pairs.
Continue until you reach four pairs.
If didn’t get any profit bet on four pairs until you bankroll reach -36.
At some Point your hits won't produce any profit. Like vaddis said, No progression or can we? Say we get a hit and No profit, All numbers 1u raise? Or do we Max bet 4 pairs with 1 unit until either profit and start again or loose 36 units and restart with a higher basebet?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 02:36 PM 2018
This is why stage 2 comes to play.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 02:38 PM 2018
If you can go forward with singles ,because spot is taken,than go back.
Example.
3-4
21-22
0-1
20-19-!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: D.Karas on Jun 12, 03:15 PM 2018
The magic number he calls is propably 9.And the 1 percent has to be 0-1 split bet all spins, since he sayd the 1 percent  bet is the house edge and players edge.
Now with the rest 8 bets you can bet 4 singles and 4 splits.I guess that makes sense.You wait for 8 singles then bet 4 of them as single, and 4 of them as split bets?
Or you wait for 4 numbers and bet all 4 singles and their pairs?Im not sure. He said wait for 8 singles to appear but later on he says you can start playing the system any time.

Is kinda confusing really.And i dont thing it can be that easy.Even if the magic number is 9 and 0-1 split bet  theres still something missing.Maybe a progression?Maybe you have to remove the last number and put on the new one that came every spin?It has to be like that since fixed betting always looses.
But then again maybe you are supposed to win only on 37 spins and then start over again?

Vaddi sayd 185 spins is max.

If 185 is max then why wait for 8 singles since you are going to play for so long?What does that offer?Doesent make sense.

I thing the key is at 37 spins max.We know certain things have to happen on these spins.Anything above we cannot really control.


Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 12, 03:36 PM 2018
D.Karas

when you start to play you have 37 numbers waiting; at spin 10 these 10 spins on average ends 9/10; 1 repeat. The 3 games posted in MPR topic have started 8/10; 8/10 and just posted 9/10.

1st game repeat spin3 & 10
2nd game spin 7 &10
3rd game spin 5

So these 3 games you'd win, so would you reset with another 37 numbers or stay in the stream of 37
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 03:44 PM 2018
Yes.But Vaddi always talking about doubles and singles.The number is 8.
3.
Stage 2
If you didn’t made your profit before reaching -36 than you continue betting on your 8 numbers,by replacing 2 oldest numbers with a new double and single until in plus or end of 37 cycle.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 03:45 PM 2018
As Vaddi said”Read between the lines”.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jun 12, 04:01 PM 2018
I think when he is talking about no repeats,  I think he is talking about no repeats on unique splits in the last 7 or 8 spins. It would make sense. No repeats and if their partner number hasn't hit that is 14-16 numbers that haven't hit. In a 37 spin cycle the avg non hit 12-14.  Not going to go very long over the next few spins without a hit. So you then bet on the the previous splits.

I read somewhere that in 18 spins the avg is 12 different splits. If you go 6,7 8 spins with all unique splits. I think that could lead somewhere.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 04:02 PM 2018
But what if you got hit on double or single.?Vadii saying to reduce amount of numbers to bet on.From 8 to 7.In my case from 4 to 3,because we bet on 4 doubles and 4 singles.Lets say we got hit on double .Should we start betting on 3 doubles and 5 singles or 3 doubles and 4 singles.Vaddi said”if you betting 8 doubles and you hit one of them than start betting on 7 numbers ,because you are accurate.”
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 04:06 PM 2018
Vaddi always spoke about balance between doubles and singles.Out of balance ,back to balance.To have that happening you need 4 doubles and 4 singles.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: D.Karas on Jun 12, 04:08 PM 2018
Yes what is the 1percent bet then cause if you dont have that Vaddi sayd no profit in the long run?

btw 8+ 1chip 1-0 split 9 numbers total thats what i mean cause the 1percent bet i believe is 0-1 split
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 04:37 PM 2018
There is no balance in 9 numbers.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: D.Karas on Jun 12, 04:48 PM 2018
Just thing about how are you going to reach -36 in losses with 8 numbers?you cant its 32 or 40. 9 makes perfect sense since you loose 4x9 36.I know 
that doesent prove anything but he sayd there has to be one more bet.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jun 12, 05:11 PM 2018
Are you going to get 12 unique splits in 12 spins? It will be very very rare. You get 8 unique splits in a row then bet on the 8 splits that have hit?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 05:56 PM 2018
Here it is.
Bet 3-4 loss -2

Bet 3-4
       23-24 loss -6

Bet 3-4
       23-24
       16-17 loss -12
Bet 3-4
       23-24
       16-17
        32-33loss -20

Bet 23-24
       16-17
       32-33
       7-8.    Loss -28

Bet 16-17
        32-33
        7-8
        12-13. Loss -36
This is how to get -36.
This is Stage 1 sequence according to the inventor of VHG.
     
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 12, 06:30 PM 2018
Here it is.
Bet 3-4 loss -2

Bet 3-4
       23-24 loss -6

Bet 3-4
       23-24
       16-17 loss -12
Bet 3-4
       23-24
       16-17
        32-33loss -20

Bet 23-24
       16-17
       32-33
       7-8.    Loss -28

Bet 16-17
        32-33
        7-8
        12-13. Loss -36
This is how to get -36.
This is Stage 1 sequence according to the inventor of VHG.
     
You guys Have to remember that how good vaddis System might be, it will be a very grindy System, and i'm not sure if it is profitable enough to play as a main System.
There can be sessions of around 185 spins with less then 10 units profit.
This Will not Always be the case, but Just something to keep in mind.
Basicly there is No 2e stage. If you down 36 units, you Just start over but this time with a 2u base bet. Then 4 u basebet etc. When hit Just start over.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 06:35 PM 2018
I will get you to minus on the long run.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 06:37 PM 2018
According to all my trails Vaddis system generates roughly 1 unit per spin.This is why it worth to keep refining it.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 12, 07:15 PM 2018
According to all my trails Vaddis system generates roughly 1 unit per spin.This is why it worth to keep refining it.

No way. Unless u use progression. And vaddis way means what he describes not what u describes
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 07:20 PM 2018
According to Vaddi  he can make 2 000$ in no time using 10$ chips.Agree.It is rare when it gets to 185 spins.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 12, 07:25 PM 2018
One way it can work like mr pablo showed us.

Collect a string of 100 spins.
Mark the repeater and pairing with red pen.

Put it on RX
Just bet when ur marked number will come next spin. Otherwise skip the spin without bet. Make a flat line graph.

Try to lose some spin to make it more realistic and show the spike is going down a bit.  Deliver A HG like pablo
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 07:26 PM 2018
Well.How to create a profit in Stage 2.In my opinion it can be done by reducing betting numbers on doubles or singles after hit.
4-4 you got hit on single,your next bet is
4-2. only 6 numbers
After hit on double go back to 4-4 bet.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 12, 07:29 PM 2018
According to Vaddi  he can make 2 000$ in no time using 10$ chips.Agree.It is rare when it gets to 185 spins.

May be occationally. The principle doesnot back the claim.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 12, 07:35 PM 2018
It is dynamic continious bet as he describle.

Long things making short.

Either 4 number
Or 8 number.

Now lay down 10 string of 37 number in notebook. Have a look which fits. 4 or 8.

Its work at its best with 4. But never a HG
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 08:02 PM 2018
I tried 8 or 4.Always a minus.4-2-1 holding and profiting very well until you get to about -200,than it takes a long time to rebound.I never go past 8 cycles.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 12, 08:12 PM 2018
What is 4-2-1. Must be something done by u. Preety simple whatever the number is either 8 or 4 or 10. U need to win number+1 times to be in profit. Tough isnt it? And with flat bet
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 08:15 PM 2018
4-2-1 is latest upgrade of VHG called “la bomba”.Published by Vaddi.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 12, 08:16 PM 2018
And what is double single?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 12, 08:17 PM 2018
4-2-1 is latest upgrade of VHG called “la bomba”.Published by Vaddi.
Did he appear again ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 08:27 PM 2018
Unfortunately no,but this is what he said
1.  2 chips on doubles,
2.  1 chip on doubles,
3.  half chip on doubles

2. and 3. will make you smile.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 08:28 PM 2018
Double is repeat in 37 cycle and single is non-repeat in 37 cycle.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 12, 08:35 PM 2018
In that way u cant bet as pair bcz some of pairing number may be unhit
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 12, 08:38 PM 2018
Double is repeat in 37 cycle and single is non-repeat in 37 cycle.

If thats the case then u r betting for and on repeaters
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 08:51 PM 2018
Correct.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 12, 09:11 PM 2018
Betting for repeater with 8 number flat bet wont work as hg. It might work occationally
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 12, 09:12 PM 2018
Betting on pair means catch the unhit. Vaddies description is controvercial
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 09:34 PM 2018
How betting on doubles and unhit at the same time oriented only to catch unhit.If 2 comes up you bet 2-3 in hope to hit double again ,which is 2 and unhit 3.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 12, 09:43 PM 2018
Its not double. Its single and unhit. Cant differentiate double or single . It something on rolling basis like most recent 4 and their front or back pair. With this rolling sometimes u might find doubles and triples.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 09:57 PM 2018
By Vaddis explanations:
repeats are these numbers that already appeared and we hope to hit them again,
singles  are these numbers that are to appear and possibly to become a repeat. 2 or 3 times in 37 spin cycle.
This is why:
When 2 uppeared we bet 2 repeat and 3 single. It’s just an abbreviation by Vaddi.By the way Vaddis real name is David.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 09:59 PM 2018
I was thinking hard about that number 3 but can’t put it together and came back to 8/4.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 12, 10:02 PM 2018
Another shot at this.  I'm
feeling confident abt this atm  :thumbsup:
==============================
                         -----*Vaddi's Odd/Even Plus & Minus One System w/Zero*-----

Procedure: Note the newest
Odd and Even outcomes (ignore zero).

Bet those two, and a respective
Odd/Even numerically lower and higher once.

Repeat steps for each new outcome.  Stop when in profit.

Example:  21,15,18 (newest spin-value)

Newest Odd outcome: #15:     Newest Even outcome: #18

Bet 13,15,17 & 16,18,20 & 0 once:    1.) 1(x)

Newest Odd outcome: #1:       Newest Even outcome: #18

Bet 35,1,3 & 16,18,20 & 0 once....
(seven chips for European Wheels, one for each number)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Eight numbers in play for American Wheels)

Example: 13,28 (newest spin-value)

Bet 11,13,15 & 26,28,30,0,00:    1.) ....
(a chip on each number, eight chips)

Bankroll suggestion: 96 units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 10:11 PM 2018
Pasionrouletta,according to your graphs you know what that number 3 means.Congrats with your success.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 10:13 PM 2018
3 is the 3 parts of the 37 spin circle.1-12,12-24,24-37.Maybe.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 10:16 PM 2018
Most likely.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 12, 10:25 PM 2018
Could be 2u on the hit nr and 1u on the unhit.  Total 3u per pair.
Why not?  Who knows?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 10:30 PM 2018
Tried that.Didnt worked out.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 12, 10:32 PM 2018
Tried that.Didnt worked.

I did, it worked.!  How did you do it?

P.S.  You work at Canam?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 12, 10:36 PM 2018
Another shot at this.  I'm
feeling confident abt this atm  :thumbsup:
==============================
                         -----*Vaddi's Odd/Even Plus & Minus One System w/Zero*-----

Procedure: Note the newest
Odd and Even outcomes (ignore zero).

Bet those two, and a respective
Odd/Even numerically lower and higher once.

Repeat steps for each new outcome.  Stop when in profit.

Example:  21,15,18 (newest spin-value)

Newest Odd outcome: #15:     Newest Even outcome: #18

Bet 13,15,17 & 16,18,20 & 0 once:    1.) 1(x)

Newest Odd outcome: #1:       Newest Even outcome: #18

Bet 35,1,3 & 16,18,20 & 0 once....
(seven chips for European Wheels, one for each number)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Eight numbers in play for American Wheels)

Example: 13,28 (newest spin-value)

Bet 11,13,15 & 26,28,30,0,00:    1.) ....
(a chip on each number, eight chips)

Bankroll suggestion: 96 units

Proof,
if nr.2 hits, you go for 36 and 4?  Why keeping a unit on zero?
Only 1 odd and 1 even?  I think I'll try accumulating them and restart with 1/1 on a hit, even if not in profit.

RS is slow tonight, though...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 10:45 PM 2018
We are talking about different systems .
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 12, 10:47 PM 2018
if nr.2 hits, you go for 36 and 4?-Bigbroben

Correct
----------------------------------------------------------------
Why keeping a unit on zero?

This reference to a "Perfect Balance System"
xs://x.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=8567.0

Only 1 odd and 1 even?

I'm trying a variation of the
+1/-1 reference per Vaddi's instructions.

(It seems to have a good hit-rate so far in early tests)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 12, 11:00 PM 2018
From what I understood in reading the first 5 pages, they're covering the zero cause they're playing streets.  If playing a system with straight-ups, all numbers can be considered equal...

Still, I like your idea!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 12, 11:02 PM 2018
Test: Vaddi's Odd/Even Plus Zero @ Celtic Casino
European Wheel-Tuesday, June 12,2018 @ 8:41pm CDT USA

...16,19 (newest spin-value)

Bet 14,16,18 & 17,19,21 & 0:    1.) 29(x)-7

Bet 14,16,18 @ 27,29,31 & 0:    2.) 18(win)+29
-----------------------------------------------------------------
+22
==============================
Test: Vaddi's Odd/Even Plus Zero @ Celtic Casino
American Wheel-Tuesday, June 12,2018 @ 8:44pm CDT USA

...21,12,16,4,18,24 (newest spin-value)

Bet 19,21,23 & 22,24,26 & 0,00:    1.) 5(x)-8

Bet 3,5,7 & 22,24,26 & 0,00:           2.) 11(x)-8

Bet 9,11,13 & 22,24,26,0,00:           3.) 36(x)-8

Bet 9,11,13 & 34,36,2,0,00:             4.) 32(x)-8

Bet 9,11,13 & 30,32,34,0,00:           5.) 11(win)+28

Bet 9,11,13 & 30,32,34,0,00:           6.) 31(x)-8

Bet 29,31,33 & 30,32,34,0,00:         7.) 32(win)+28
----------------------------------------------------------------------
+16
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 12, 11:25 PM 2018
Test: Vaddi's Odd/Even Plus Zero @ Celtic Casino
European Wheel-Tuesday, June 12,2018 @ 10:17pm CDT USA

...26,1 (newest spin-value)

Bet 24,26,28 & 35,1,3,0:    1.) 9(x)-7

Bet 24,26,28 & 7,9,11,0:    2.) 24(win)+29
-----------------------------------------------------------------
+22
==============================
Test: Vaddi's Odd/Even Plus Zero @ Celtic Casino
American Wheel-Tuesday, June 12,2018 @ 10:19pm CDT USA

...24,3,21,15,23 (newest spin-value)

Bet 22,24,26 & 21,23,25,0,00:    1.) 00(win)+28
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 12, 11:49 PM 2018
Just had a bad run  :'(
==============================
Test: Vaddi's Odd/Even Plus Zero @ Celtic Casino
European Wheel-Tuesday, June 12,2018 @ 10:48pm CDT USA

Session total: -90 units

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 12, 11:57 PM 2018
is it any logical explanation why this system should win?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 13, 12:01 AM 2018
I was following the vague
instruction regarding +1/-1 pairings. 

It seemed to have a good rate so I
though I would test my theory further.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: boyd30 on Jun 13, 12:16 AM 2018
Unfortunately no,but this is what he said
1.  2 chips on doubles,
2.  1 chip on doubles,
3.  half chip on doubles

2. and 3. will make you smile.

Į know this but never understood it. What does it mean? Vaddi talked about flatbetting, but maybe he changed hiis mind?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 13, 01:31 AM 2018
This looks interesting:

Track until you have eight consecutive unique singles.

2,15,7,18,20,34,23,0 (newest spin-value)

Bet the oldest of the eight and a numerically higher number (8 in play)

Bet 2,3: 15,16: 7,8: 18,19:    1.) 19(x)

Bet 15,16: 7,8: 18:19, 20,21....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Jun 13, 06:52 AM 2018
How can this b a grail if it fails and has a 2nd stage ?
I reckon bet the eight unquies as splits and keep doubling
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 13, 06:58 AM 2018
How can this b a grail if it fails and has a 2nd stage ?
I reckon bet the eight unquies as splits and keep doubling
a hg doesn't have to mean that you need to have a 100% winrate. it depends on that you always win more then you lose.
if i would have a system that loses 1/25 sessions, i would be jumping in the air :xd:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 13, 07:29 AM 2018
Hey jekh,

A martingale of 10 steps on ECs will let you win 1023 times and lose once!

I am still scrambling to find one that wins more than loses... :yawn:

This ''2 chips on doubles, 1 chip on double, half a chip on double'' words make me believe not every number has an equal amount on it.

Say there are 3 states: unhit, hit, repeater.  Ok.
One nr hits.  Proportional concept could make you think: ''I should put 1u on the hit, and half a chip on 2 neighboring unhit.  So a unit on a split on unhits. Once one of the 2 unhit shows up, slide the other one half onto the hit, in order to have 1u on each 2 nrs.''
Did he mean also, 2u on repeaters?

Just an idea, did not test yet.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Jun 13, 08:04 AM 2018
something we have not talked about related to vaddi.
Andrey86Pak posted the Mido 1 or Modi 1 System in the old MMM Thread.

line1  1  3   5   7   9 ,are red ,odd, small numbers
line2       2  4   6   8   10  are black,even,small numbers
line3 12   14   16   18    are  red,even,small numbers   
line4   11   13   15   17   are black,odd,small numbers
line5 19   21   23   25   27  are red ,odd, big numbers
line6    20   22   24   26   28 are black,even,big numbers
line 7   30   32   34   36    are red,even,big numbers   
line 8    29   31   33   35   are black,odd,big numbers

Vaddis reaction:

I'm not aware of that posting, but it's obvious that the person has discovered the power of singles being converted into doubles.

What is missing however, is the flip side of singles to doubles, which is sleepers being converted into lands, i.e., sleepers to singles.

All elements of roulette have a mirror and you can use lands / doubles to flow with and to predict sleepers.

Maybe we can get something out of that.

Greetings, M
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 13, 08:14 AM 2018
something we have not talked about related to vaddi.
Andrey86Pak posted the Mido 1 or Modi 1 System in the old MMM Thread.

line1  1  3   5   7   9 ,are red ,odd, small numbers
line2       2  4   6   8   10  are black,even,small numbers
line3 12   14   16   18    are  red,even,small numbers   
line4   11   13   15   17   are black,odd,small numbers
line5 19   21   23   25   27  are red ,odd, big numbers
line6    20   22   24   26   28 are black,even,big numbers
line 7   30   32   34   36    are red,even,big numbers   
line 8    29   31   33   35   are black,odd,big numbers

Vaddis reaction:

I'm not aware of that posting, but it's obvious that the person has discovered the power of singles being converted into doubles.

What is missing however, is the flip side of singles to doubles, which is sleepers being converted into lands, i.e., sleepers to singles.

All elements of roulette have a mirror and you can use lands / doubles to flow with and to predict sleepers.

Maybe we can get something out of that.

Greetings, M
Thanks, yep this will make us think further!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 13, 08:25 AM 2018
I've had great success with  mido1, at least with the grouping it suggests.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 13, 08:27 AM 2018
How can this b a grail if it fails and has a 2nd stage ?
I reckon bet the eight unquies as splits and keep doubling
I think u tried that one on star . Initially successfull and then crashed.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 13, 08:33 AM 2018
Statistically the sweet point is 7. I think vaddi tried to use that one. But reality is even we can successfully predict a single number in 37 spin its enough. In a random game thats not that easy
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 13, 11:07 AM 2018
I wanted to comment that according to what I have calculated, the box that is needed for vaddis is 200 chips.
What I have done at this time is to play sessions, win 200 or lose 200.
I have 232 sessions, of which I have lost 20 boxes of 200 chips and have won 212 sessions of 200 chips.
total lost sessions 4000 chips
Total profit sessions 42,400 profit tokens.
Total benefits 38400 benefits.
So are my results gentlemen.
These are results obtained from real permanences played in rx.

This is a good result.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 13, 11:08 AM 2018
This looks interesting:

Track until you have eight consecutive unique singles.

2,15,7,18,20,34,23,0 (newest spin-value)

Bet the oldest of the eight and a numerically higher number (8 in play)

Bet 2,3: 15,16: 7,8: 18,19:    1.) 19(x)

Bet 15,16: 7,8: 18:19, 20,21....

Tried this already.Goes to minus very quick.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 13, 11:26 AM 2018
Hi guys.
Let me know if someone will be interested .
There was a russian writer with name Dostoevsky who lived in 1821-1881.He wrote a book called “Player” in which he left code to win in European roulette.Its known fact that his relatives ,in modern time ,discovered that code and busted casino of Monaco for very big sum of cash.After that they all got banned from European casinos .
In this book there is a few episodes of the game with bets and results.I tried to decode them ,but thinking about VHG ang Dostoevsky code in the same time is very time consuming.Maybe someone will be interested to try.Let me know.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Jun 13, 11:54 AM 2018
Hello CANAM ! Dostoevsky came to the casino three times. In the end, he lost! There is nothing worthwhile in the novel. About relatives, I did not hear most likely a lie!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 13, 11:58 AM 2018
I am just asking if someone want to take a shot.I  am personally found information provided very interesting and never lost my short trails while using it.I have a very good source of the info on that and it’s not Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: D1 on Jun 13, 03:44 PM 2018
Hello, Canam, for my part, everything that is learning is welcome and I am interested.
If you want to share with me that information I would thank you, as my nickname says, I am passionate about the game and everything can be learned and I like to investigate everything thoroughly.
I hope you can pass on this valuable information and if you want we can study it together.

greetings and thanks :thumbsup:

Why would anyone want to share anything with you ?
Countless people have asked you to share what you have and you wont which probably means you have nothing.
And if you have a holy grail which is so wonderfull why do you want anything else if you can already beat the game ?
Furthermore if everything you have is so great what the fuck are you still doing here ?
If I had the holy grail you wouldnt see me in a forum anymore I would be too busy taking money from the casino.
Why dont you either put up what you have or just fuckoff as your really starting to bore the shit out of me and several other people on here.
Go on prove me wrong prove you have a decent method of play.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jun 13, 03:52 PM 2018
Why would anyone want to share anything with you ?
Countless people have asked you to share what you have and you wont which probably means you have nothing.
And if you have a holy grail which is so wonderfull why do you want anything else if you can already beat the game ?
Furthermore if everything you have is so great what the f*** are you still doing here ?
If I had the holy grail you wouldnt see me in a forum anymore I would be too busy taking money from the casino.
Why dont you either put up what you have or just fuckoff as your really starting to bore the shit out of me and several other people on here.
Go on prove me wrong prove you have a decent method of play.
Lol couldn’t have said it any better..passion is not to be trusted..I’ve said more on my thread than he ever new in his sleazy life on roulette
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 13, 03:55 PM 2018
Why would anyone want to share anything with you ?
Countless people have asked you to share what you have and you wont which probably means you have nothing.
And if you have a holy grail which is so wonderfull why do you want anything else if you can already beat the game ?
Furthermore if everything you have is so great what the f*** are you still doing here ?
If I had the holy grail you wouldnt see me in a forum anymore I would be too busy taking money from the casino.
Why dont you either put up what you have or just fuckoff as your really starting to bore the shit out of me and several other people on here.
Go on prove me wrong prove you have a decent method of play.
This is the best quote i've seen around here in a Long time, well said.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: jekhb76 on Jun 13, 04:00 PM 2018
Why on earth would you ask for people's money if you Have a HG in you're hands? I Just can't understand that Sorry. And asking 10.000 Grand. Man you Have a serious personal problem. No one here on this Forum would be playing you that kind of money. When you Have a true HG, you can build up your bankroll on your own. Start with a few hundred and work it up. You can't loose, so what's keeping you from doin' that? No instead  of that, you Keep popping up here to enoy the shit out of everyone.
When do you start to realise that you are not wanted here. Can't he be blocked ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 13, 04:11 PM 2018
Hello, Canam, for my part, everything that is learning is welcome and I am interested.
If you want to share with me that information I would thank you, as my nickname says, I am passionate about the game and everything can be learned and I like to investigate everything thoroughly.
I hope you can pass on this valuable information and if you want we can study it together.

greetings and thanks :thumbsup:

Hi Passionrulette.I will be glad to share that information with you and keep resolving that pazzle with someone who got fresh ideas.I will send it to you on your pm.Also I will provide with information regarding the process I made.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 13, 04:28 PM 2018
Passionrulette.Check your pm.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jun 13, 04:54 PM 2018
Passionrulette.Check your pm.
Another sucker bites the dust 🤪🤪
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 13, 05:03 PM 2018
Another sucker bites the dust 🤪🤪
Please speak for yourself.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 13, 05:31 PM 2018
6-th sense do I know you?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jun 13, 05:41 PM 2018

Another sucker bites the dust 🤪🤪





Actually, it is more of a case of another person swallowing it hook, line, and sinker.

 >:D   >:D
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 13, 07:01 PM 2018



Actually, it is more of a case of another person swallowing it hook, line, and sinker.

 >:D   >:D

Members.Read previous post to gain an idea what conversation is about before making any remarks.Othervise you look like a rock  which just fell from the Moon.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jun 13, 07:10 PM 2018
Members.Read previous post to gain an idea what conversation is about before making any remarks.Othervise you look like a rock  which just fell from the Moon.



I just made a suggestion to 6th sense that there is a phrase that better (that is, more accurately) expresses how he feels about this situation.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 13, 08:43 PM 2018


I just made a suggestion to 6th sense that there is a phrase that better (that is, more accurately) expresses how he feels about this situation.

Sounds reasanable.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 14, 12:41 AM 2018
Another idea to consider:

                                    -----*First Four and Last Four of 12 Singles*-----

Procedure: Bet the first four singles
and the last four singles of 12 outcomes.

*If there are repeats, bet them once

Example: 12,31,0,14,2,35,8,14,21,3,19,17 (newest spin-value)

Bet the newest four singles: 17,19,3,21 & the
oldest four of 12 outcomes (12,31,0,14) once:  1.) 5(x)

Bet the newest four singles: 5,17,19,3 & the
oldest four of 12 outcomes (31,0,14,2)....

Bankroll suggestion: 128 units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jun 14, 02:42 AM 2018
Į know this but never understood it. What does it mean? Vaddi talked about flatbetting, but maybe he changed hiis mind?
if you look at my thread and the single linear line..theres singles..doubles etc could e mean this?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jun 14, 03:01 AM 2018
if you look at my thread and the single linear line..theres singles..doubles etc could e mean this?

Of course he does 😃 re read his explanation and then go over to my thread...work it out
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Jun 14, 03:20 AM 2018
just a thought about the hint 24/8=3 and 12/4=3

first cycle we play 3x4 numbers till spin 12.
second cycle we play 3x8 numbers till spin 37.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jun 14, 03:24 AM 2018
just a thought about the hint 24/8=3 and 12/4=3

first cycle we play 3x4 numbers till spin 12.
second cycle we play 3x8 numbers till spin 37.
Great explanation maxxy use this info to after 1st lot of results are out...singles to doubles..doubles to triples and don’t forget that pairing chart
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Jun 14, 03:51 AM 2018
thank you 6th-sense.
your thread 37 back to basics is the best read since a long time and made me think  O0

here are the first 12 real numbers from casino duisburg (germany)
xs://permanenzen.westspiel.de/default.aspx?casino=42&tisch=0205&datum=01.06.2018&asc=false

look what happen, playing last 4 for a repeat. 3 hits? looks good  :thumbsup:


 

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jun 14, 04:02 AM 2018
thank you 6th-sense.
your thread 37 back to basics is the best read since a long time and made me think  O0

here are the first 12 real numbers from casino duisburg (germany)
xs://permanenzen.westspiel.de/default.aspx?casino=42&tisch=0205&datum=01.06.2018&asc=false

look what happen, playing last 4 for a repeat. 3 hits? looks good  :thumbsup:
I think any ideas you should post across on my thread as it’ll help people a lot more as I’m giving the best explanation with examples like you have in your picture 👍
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: boyd30 on Jun 14, 04:08 AM 2018
just a thought about the hint 24/8=3 and 12/4=3

first cycle we play 3x4 numbers till spin 12.
second cycle we play 3x8 numbers till spin 37.

Is it 3 numbers 4 times or 4 numbers 3 times? I would guess the first as you play hitter and beside numbers? Į also think this is not a static bet? You change numbers every bet or every minicycle? Thanks for answering to you understanding it better.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RFMAXX on Jun 14, 04:12 AM 2018
Is it 3 numbers 4 times or 4 numbers 3 times? I would guess the first as you play hitter and beside numbers? Į also think this is not a static bet? You change numbers every bet or every minicycle? Thanks for answering to you understanding it better.

hi boyd,

wait for 4 numbers out. play these 4 for 4 spins. then you have 8 numbers out. play again the last 4.

greetings, max
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 15, 12:19 PM 2018
hi boyd,

wait for 4 numbers out. play these 4 for 4 spins. then you have 8 numbers out. play again the last 4.

greetings, max
Vaddis system based on implementing idea of the balance between doubles and singles.He embarrassing that you have to use doubles and singles to get your profit.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jun 15, 01:53 PM 2018
Vaddis system based on implementing idea of the balance between doubles and singles.He embarrassing that you have to use doubles and singles to get your profit.

Funny that you just joined this forum a few weeks ago and passion is confiding in you?
Are you in on his scam ? He told me about someone he was in league with is this you ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 15, 02:49 PM 2018
Ok.Lets make it clear.
I am close observer of this forum from 2013.The reason not joining it is my time that I spend on work and resolving sertain roulette strategies and inventing my own.
The reason why I joined right now :
I see the same pattern of behavior of sertain individuals who look like these who made Vaddi to abandon this forum .Vaddi left ,his pazzle is unsolved and these who verbally abused him are still going to casinos and leaving their money there.
So,I am trying to convince all members to restrain their anger and frustration and listen to others and make some progress .If not than its only one way -leave casino with head down without your hard made money.No I am not Spanish ,but I would love to speak that language.I am Canadian with Russian background.
Members “be patient,only  good things comes out of  it”.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 15, 02:52 PM 2018
Also ,I will advise you to listen what Rouletepassion is saying.He got perfect understanding of Vaddis main concepts of winning at roulette table at any date,at any time of the day.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jun 15, 03:04 PM 2018
Also ,I will advise you to listen what Rouletepassion is saying.He got perfect understanding of Vaddis main concepts of winning at roulette table at any date,at any time of the day.

😂😂 Re read his post...he hasn’t got it...you certainly haven’t got it...if you had you would not be here..Vaddis certainly wasn’t a low life like this guy...
And if you HAVE read back through his post you should know that...Sergio certainly wouldn’t be here either
He was walking out the door last month with his holy grail.but yet says he just been betting the last few weeks...
All these years he’s had it and only done 220 sessions on rx
This last few weeks
He’s full of shit...
Why would he confide in you ? A newcomer
As I say everyone read my Skype messages
Come on see the light..
Something doesn’t add up here
Even turbo system is cheaper than this £10000
.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jun 15, 03:14 PM 2018
And while I’m at it he also only been spouting what I told him and after reading my 37 back to basic and balancing he’s now quoting balancing himself
Rant over ..you my sunshine are talking and confiding in the wrong person
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 15, 03:17 PM 2018
Well.In this case I beleive that everyone have to make decision on their own.Beleive or don’t beleive.Some systems always will be for sale.Everyone got right not to buy it.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jun 15, 03:19 PM 2018
And trust me:I am not  any “sunshine”.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jun 15, 03:24 PM 2018
Well.In this case I beleive that everyone have to make decision on their own.Beleive or don’t beleive.Some systems always will be for sale.Everyone got right not to buy it.

I actually can agree with u on this
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 15, 07:39 PM 2018
I wanted to comment that according to what I have calculated, the box that is needed for vaddis is 200 chips.
What I have done at this time is to play sessions, win 200 or lose 200.


Bullshit. U didnt calculated that. I metioned that when i was talking about the br needed for turbos system.

For vaddies $120 is enough thats is clearly mentioned
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Jun 15, 07:46 PM 2018
Well for the last time I will say that vaddis is amazing, think about this if you want to get it.
Think of roulette in these terms and not others:

24 numbers land
12 times the proportion of land

twenty-one.

Factors 4 and 8

24/8 = 3
12/4 = 3

That is the basis of the grail.

The progressions will never work.

I will not say anything else.

The holy grail is before your eyes and you do not see it.

PS: anyone has the right to sell what they want, each one decides if it is worth paying.
I do not sell it for less than € 10,000, it's that clear.
and I would only do it to one person.
We already know 3 people.
regards :thumbsup:

What should we call it? Its a mild form of selling approach rather than going to the right section.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 15, 08:07 PM 2018
Passion,

If you do not want to define balance, could you tell at least what would be an inbalance?
Do you mean, ex:  only 2 dozens appeared in 6 spins, or : 4 splits in the Low side in row?  Stuff like that?
Or is it more like:  numeral gaps between 3 consecutive nrs are all below 6?
Or what?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 15, 11:58 PM 2018
From what I've read about balance according to Vaddi:

12 unhit singles: 12 unique singles &

12 singles that have hit more than once
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 16, 12:09 AM 2018
Thinking out loud here.

You usually get one repeat single within
12 spins. (I've noticed by observation)

According to Vaddi you always bet the newest outcome.

The graph that Passion posts
looks like a four-number flat-bet.

Bet the newest repeater, newest outcome and
the numerically higher numbers on both respectively.

Example: 12,31,4,0,21,7,9,13,4,20,15,10 (newest spin-value)

Bet 4,5 & 10,11 once:    1.) 35

Bet 4,5 & 35,36 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 36 units total
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: D.Karas on Jun 16, 02:42 AM 2018
That doesent make any sense mate.Yes you will propably get one repeat every 12 spins but still you dont know what number it will be.Might be a repeater might be the 5th number the 10th, might be any number that came up in the last 12 spins.its still a random bet
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 16, 06:14 AM 2018
I'm saying when the repeater shows (usually there
is one repeat single shown on the marquee of 12 outcomes. 

Bet that number and the number numerically lower and a dynamic
bet of the newest outcome and the next numerically lower number.

Example: 12,0,31,5,23,19,3,29,36,5,21,30

Bet 4,5 & 29,30:    1.) 15(x)

Bet 4,5 & 14,15....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: D.Karas on Jun 16, 04:39 PM 2018
still a random bet.

Why dont i just wait then till 12 singles and then bet all of them?boom theres the holy grail since there has to be a repeat after 12 singles right?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jun 16, 04:56 PM 2018
Passion,

If you do not want to define balance, could you tell at least what would be an inbalance?
Do you mean, ex:  only 2 dozens appeared in 6 spins, or : 4 splits in the Low side in row?  Stuff like that?
Or is it more like:  numeral gaps between 3 consecutive nrs are all below 6?
Or what?

This is what VADDI means by balance :

"As you know, when making inside bets, there is always a trade-off between profits, accuracy and risk, depending on the total number of numbers you bet on.

For example:

Assuming $1 units.

If we bet on 30 numbers and we get a hit, our profit will be $36 - $30 = $6 profit.

Betting on more numbers leads to more accuracy, but you'll make a small profit, as above ($6).

If we bet on 6 numbers and we get a hit, our profit will be $36 - $6 = $30 profit.

Betting on less numbers leads to less accuracy, but you'll make a big profit, as above ($30).

So, you want to strike a balance between the two extremes above (between 6 and 30 numbers).

So, you can see in the above, that roulette is always playing the balancing game of risk, accuracy, and profits:

More numbers = less risk + more accuracy + small profits
Less numbers = more risk + less accuracy + more profits

So, the lesser numbers bet on, the more accurate your bet selection process needs to be so that you stand a chance of making good profits.

Hope that makes sense."

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jun 16, 05:00 PM 2018
He says this about balance somewhere else :

"Bet on less than 10 numbers?
Yes.
Why?
Because you will increase your edge. 10 numbers destroys that balance.
As I've said, I won't tell you what that perfect number is, but it's between 6 and 10. And that number is absolute magic. It's the number that maintains perfect balance. It gives you the best edge when playing inside bets.


Based on your answer, continue to think in terms of balance in relation to your magic X number.
So, if your magic number is 7, or 8, or 9, or 10, will you have balance or an edge or both?
The only way to find out, is to test for yourself.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: D.Karas on Jun 16, 05:07 PM 2018
What the hell is this guys where is the proof mang?

Alright theres a perfect number between 25 and 31 find it and you will win.You need to test it for yourself.I go away now see ya
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: D.Karas on Jun 16, 05:14 PM 2018
I tested with 8 numbers is not working i tested with 9 numbers is not working i tested with 7 numbers is not working.My tests cant be that bad since i had all 3 potencial winners.What is there else to see please point me in the right direction
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jun 16, 05:25 PM 2018
That's right Karas. Your frustration was expressed by a member of another forum :

"The failure of your system is when the number is not repeated in 20 spins.
And know that the number can be up to 28 times without repeating.
And when that happens will steal all your bankroll.
Goes to zero as any martingale system."

Now VADDI answered this member by saying :

"Ha ... ha!
Now we have something!
That's the sort of thinking I'm talking about!
So what's the killer solution?! While still retaining flat-betting?! Based on the Grail thread?
Someone is getting close.

- Vaddi

Obviously the 1% that we are all searching for will change it into a winning bet.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: D.Karas on Jun 16, 05:38 PM 2018
Does that mean that if  the number hits at spin 20 youll break even?And if not you go minus?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jun 16, 05:55 PM 2018
No. What the frustrated guy is saying is that you can get up to 20 spins without a repeat.
And if you are thinking of a progression, then know that it is possible to get 28 spins without a repeat.

Remember that VADDI's bet is a flat bet.
This is what he said about the 1% change in thinking :

"You had one side: the doubles
To create balance, you now have the flip side / other side of the coin: the singles

The fundamentals of the grail have not changed. The betting method still stands, but there is one betting adjustment that must be made on the table to take advantage of those two sides at the very same time and to take advantage of balance."


Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jun 16, 06:08 PM 2018
Really guys. It's quite simple. I don't want to be the one to kill the goose that lays gold eggs.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: D.Karas on Jun 16, 06:11 PM 2018
So you too know the answer and make lots of money now dont you?You confirm that it works?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jun 16, 06:25 PM 2018
No. Just worked it out a few days ago. I have not played it in a casino.
But I can see mathematically why it works.
This is what VADDI said about it :

"I won't go into the basic mathematics of this magic number, because it would just confuse some guys even more than they might already be.
Suffice it to say that I know why this number is so powerful in roulette. The casino can't escape it and the player can't escape it."

The maths is simple and is all over the roulette forums where repeater systems are involved.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jun 16, 06:35 PM 2018
Number of trials needed to get first number is: 1.00
Number of trials needed to get 2 different numbers is 2.00
Number of trials needed to get 3 different numbers is 3.00
Number of trials needed to get 4 different numbers is 4.00
Number of trials needed to get 5 different numbers is 5.00
Number of trials needed to get 6 different numbers is 6.00
Number of trials needed to get 7 different numbers is 8.00
Number of trials needed to get 8 different numbers is 9.00
Number of trials needed to get 9 different numbers is 10.00
Number of trials needed to get 10 different numbers is 11.00
Number of trials needed to get 11 different numbers is 13.00
Number of trials needed to get 12 different numbers is 14.00
Number of trials needed to get 13 different numbers is 16.00
Number of trials needed to get 14 different numbers is 17.00
Number of trials needed to get 15 different numbers is 19.00
Number of trials needed to get 16 different numbers is 21.00
Number of trials needed to get 17 different numbers is 22.00
Number of trials needed to get 18 different numbers is 24.00
Number of trials needed to get 19 different numbers is 26.00
Number of trials needed to get 20 different numbers is 28.00
Number of trials needed to get 21 different numbers is 30.00
Number of trials needed to get 22 different numbers is 33.00
Number of trials needed to get 23 different numbers is 35.00
Number of trials needed to get 24 different numbers is 38.00 <== This is the "law of the third"
Number of trials needed to get 25 different numbers is 41.00
Number of trials needed to get 26 different numbers is 44.00
Number of trials needed to get 27 different numbers is 47.00
Number of trials needed to get 28 different numbers is 51.00
Number of trials needed to get 29 different numbers is 55.00
Number of trials needed to get 30 different numbers is 60.00
Number of trials needed to get 31 different numbers is 65.00
Number of trials needed to get 32 different numbers is 71.00
Number of trials needed to get 33 different numbers is 78.00
Number of trials needed to get 34 different numbers is 88.00
Number of trials needed to get 35 different numbers is 100.00
Number of trials needed to get 36 different numbers is 118.00

or as VADDI put it :

24/8 = 3
12/4 = 3

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jun 16, 06:42 PM 2018
I must just say that I can confirm the bet from LOTT with hindsight.
I did not work the bet out using maths.
Once you find the 1%, you will see that the maths is obvious.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 16, 08:46 PM 2018
It is still 1/37 Euro Wheel and
1/38 American Wheel each spin.

And most casinos do not allow bets after ball release.

How can we increase the accuracy
of predictions with this limited information?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jun 16, 10:34 PM 2018
Here's an idea to try  :thumbsup:
==============================
Procedure: Bet the newest repeat single, newest
outcome and the next numerically higher number once.

Repeat steps until in profit.

Example: 12,9,32,14,27,31,2,
33,14,11,1,21 (newest spin-value)

Bet 14,21,22 once:    1.) 0(x)

Bet 14,0,1....

Bankroll suggestion: 144 total units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jun 17, 04:49 AM 2018
VADDI used LOTT to explain about balance with respect to repeaters.
It is logical that the more numbers that come out, the greater your chance of getting a repeat.
LOTT shows that on average, you need 7 to 8 numbers before a repeat shows. I know that you can get a repeat on spin 2, but we are talking averages.
From Notto’s research you can see that he gets 1 repeat in the first 10 spins quite regularly.
At the end of the 37 spin cycle, you should on average, have 12 repeats. Where do these repeats occur the most?

This is the balance that VADDI says to look for.
Could it mean that you start off playing the paired numbers and later in the 37 spin cycle change to the actual repeaters?

Also bear in mind that at the end of the 37 spin cycle, you have on average 12 repeats. But those repeats are not 12 different numbers. They could contain 1peaters, 2peaters, 3peaters etc

Also. If you are resorting to progressions to win, then you are not playing the bet that VADDI described.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kattila on Jun 17, 08:31 AM 2018
There is no magic numbers and other hocus pocus. ..and  short winning examples like PR posted means nothing.
  I can post al day long winning sessions, and not short ones, xx xxx spins sessions.
  Each one must find own way to play in order to win more then lose. Base your play on Statistics, where is more likely to hit the
repeaters and combine with splits, streets, or neighbors......Groups of numbers are much better if play repeaters stile, involve hit and unhit numbers.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 17, 10:16 AM 2018
if play repeaters stile, involve hit and unhit numbers.

Yes its all in ROTT topic
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kattila on Jun 17, 12:28 PM 2018
260 sessions x 200 spins each ,that is
52.000 spins. I saw system goes down to
hell after 200k spins also flat bet
 Just don t call HG untill you are not sure or
not tested with much more spins and people here don t like the...""I have the HG but I want tell you"" .....you help them with
nothing this way. Go and make money man
until your system rezist, will come the day
when will eventually crash.
    But I really wish you to win long.
Saludos
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 17, 04:38 PM 2018
who says don't bet  the 1x's, it's no different to doing the KFC.
Better to watch the trot of the 37 non-hit.

Now if you lot listen to General dickhead and his sidekick, thats down to you.
Who says there's always a game, he's right, you just have to know how to play the starting 37.

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/17/temp_618527.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/2GyDr)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 17, 06:04 PM 2018
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/17/temp_919935.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/2sGOK)

Just 1x's, Have a look at GUT, watch how the 0x's, 1x's and >1x show in 37 spins, better still look to 40 spins or further still 60 spins.

You talk of balance, 0x's 1st, then 0x's v 1x's, then 0x's+1x's v >1x; that's it, so go learn the TROT
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 17, 06:33 PM 2018
could put this in 6th sense topic 37 basic, but you see the above was just betting 1x's.
Now general dickhead the 1/37 bollox.
Here you see the common 9/10;
I've added countback the average 15 non-hit in spins 11-40.
Look KTF +53 spin 19, job done, so this is where we reset go to another wheel or what ever you'd do.

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/17/temp_942249.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/2ssVB)

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/17/temp_280011.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/2s2h9)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: The General on Jun 17, 07:01 PM 2018
Notto,

Why did you quit on spin 19 instead of spin 20 or spin 21?

Why can't you play more than 19 spins?

Do you just play for 19 spins and then go home, never to play again?

I've noticed that the spin that you quit on varies.  Why is that?  It appears that it's because you look ahead to cherry pick when you "should of, would of quit."   FYI...that's called curve fitting.  ::)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 17, 07:10 PM 2018
Okay
Now some curve fitting, but not if you can read the trot, countback is there to show how the non-hit are behaving, fast, avg or slow.

A piece of the puzzle, that you need to know.

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/17/temp_351039.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/2sTGZ)
This showing betting for the 17th non-hit, means 16 non-hits have come, so you be betting 21#'s. In UK bookies on their FOBT's, i could bet 4 times that would be max bet of £100. So i'd need to wait 5 spins before start to bet. Or safer be wait 6 spins, but decisions have to be made as spins come.

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/17/temp_621267.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/2sFQD)

Let's get it thru to dickhead, KTF you shouldnot be going beyond spin 19, okay

Now  at spin 20 the game is fast for non-hit, +2 on the average 5 that should hit in spins 11-20, look to countback.
Heres why you need to know average to hit and max for each non-hit, the box above.

This is fast for non-hit there should only been 14 non-hit at spin 20, look how far non-hit 17 is, Repeats, are needed to slow the non-hits down, if i was to bet for the 17th i'd wait 5 spins, and get the win and countback shows the 17th is on time, d'yu to repeats.
When do R1's go R2 usually after spin 20, so repeats have now slowed the non-hit
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: The General on Jun 17, 07:15 PM 2018
Quote
Let's get it thru to dickhead, KTF you shouldnot be going beyond spin 19, okay

So what do you do then?  Do you only play for 19 spins and then go home, never to play again or do you have to wait a certain amount of time before you can play again?

On some of your little graphs you quit at spin 15.  On others you quit later.  Why?

You can't win dirt if you're not able to play for more than 19 spins kid!  ::)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 17, 07:22 PM 2018
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/17/temp_764129.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/2sOml)

Work it out you are clever? Whilst you are spending hours looking for the wobbly wheel  i'm in and gone to the next shop, oh wait its not real its RNG, these are the 1st 40 spins of R-sim, just betting 1x's.  So you see profit just betting 1x's, or watch the spins play out some call it the trot not 1/37

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/17/temp_737002.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/2sUvc)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: The General on Jun 17, 07:24 PM 2018
Notto,

Seriously, how can you expect to win any money if you can't bet for more than 19 spins???

That's pathetic don't you think?

And the graph looks like at any minute you're going to lose your entire bankroll.   The equity curves just look horrendous!  ::)

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 17, 07:30 PM 2018
Because Mort's been  assassinated for giving ef-bet spins, no just joking, i now get Random.org, the collected data is just the same, 15 non-hit in spins 11-40.

No need to look for bias wheels
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/17/temp_617909.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/2sl9a)

General last time of repling to you, you couldn't get GUT and you definitely can't understand the trot.

You can bang on my door but you'll get no answer.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 17, 07:37 PM 2018
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/17/temp_285063.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/2s0qi)

Heres the #'s just betting for 1x's
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 17, 07:45 PM 2018
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/17/temp_815759.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/2s9UA)

Now if you can't see Turbo in these 60 spins, well.
Average for 60 spins 29 non-hit so -2; but you tell me you could not win on betting non-hit, shame on you.

I'll be back later in morning
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jun 17, 08:48 PM 2018
Because Mort's been  assassinated for giving ef-bet spins, no just joking, i now get Random.org, the collected data is just the same, 15 non-hit in spins 11-40.


Notto,
You think excel random would show the same average?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 18, 03:44 AM 2018
BBB
Live, RNG and airball all show the same, the live some might question as it was smartlive spins, that could watch on TV

But you are the excel man so collect some spins, bung them in Priyanks tester, you should see in its checkpoint box the spins broke into there groups.
Even MPR gives the 15 in spins 11-20;  ok it might give 16/17 or 13/14 but being that close all the time and with countback placed you can see

I'll continue with the R-sim once the eye meds cleared, everything is a bit blurry still
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 18, 05:30 AM 2018
xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.1395

BBB and others on page 94; 12 replies down is a early average document. Earlier you see the excel box showing 17th non-hit max 9 spins
Well how long ago was this data posted, so max 9 at moment stands, one day it might go to max 10.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 18, 10:53 AM 2018
BBB
Have you been to page 94, reply 12.

Well i can't lie about these spins from R-sim. So if you download the attachment. you'll see the 27th non-hit has a max of 18 and average to hit in 4 spins.

BBB how many times wtih a progression could you bet the remaining 11 non-hit?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jun 18, 10:55 AM 2018
why i ask the question Bro
Heres 180 of those spins.

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/06/18/temp_384102.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/2sirD)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Jun 19, 12:57 AM 2018
  Gentlemen, what is the hysteria over a questionable system?! The system is based on the appearance of repetitions, which is a random variable!Found someone what the balance (number of closed of cells) rates on these replays which is great and terrible secret!
  Repeats are a random variable that has such a characteristic as a variance which in turn either raises or lowers the player's pot! The size (number of closed cells) does not affect the variance or mathematical expectation !
 P.S. If I'm wrong, please prove it!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: D.Karas on Jun 19, 03:34 AM 2018
This post is the greatest waste of time in history of roullete.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 03, 09:31 AM 2018
This post is the greatest waste of time in history of roullete.

Let me strongly disagree on that.Vaddis system is not a perfect one ,but some went far beyond his results using original train of his thoughts .
Thanks Vaddi,
Cheers Passionroulette.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Jul 03, 02:53 PM 2018
If I'm wrong, please prove it!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 03, 03:10 PM 2018
I can’t ,but Passionrouletta can,if he want to.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 03, 06:16 PM 2018
I have the feeling that Canam and Passionruleta are the same person. Nobody else has noticed this?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 03, 08:37 PM 2018
I have the feeling that Canam and Passionruleta are the same person. Nobody else has noticed this?

not .trust me its not.there is no reason for conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 04, 05:43 PM 2018
No need to inform me on how vaddi plays, i know how his method is.

But you are right PassionRuleta, Vaddi's way of play has certain elements of one of MR.J's old systems.

so i have to give you that.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 05, 06:11 AM 2018
I have Skype but I never use it. Also don't have any intentions if sharing vaddi's holy grail. Took me 3 years to figure it out. You need to do your time.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Lucky7Red on Jul 05, 07:27 AM 2018
Please don't share vaddis hg.  :lol:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 05, 10:34 AM 2018
You can believe whatever you want Passionruleta. I know how it works.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 06, 10:31 PM 2018
Flat bet.And it’s not even called HG.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: The General on Jul 06, 10:44 PM 2018
Flat bet.And it’s not even called HG.

But you've tested for a few spins.  Why so few?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 06, 11:01 PM 2018
Because it’s always the same result.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 06, 11:21 PM 2018
I just would like to say ,that someone on this forum,besides being ignored,know what he is talking about.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: The General on Jul 06, 11:24 PM 2018
Because it’s always the same result.

Have you even tested 50k spins yet?  Or have you only tested less than a thousand so far?  ::)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jul 06, 11:59 PM 2018
Canam,

If you want to make sure, I can run some macros with Excel.  Just tell me the way you play, I'll formulate it and will run a few hundred sessions in a few minutes.

At least I'll try to simulate it.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 07, 09:08 AM 2018
Canam,

If you want to make sure, I can run some macros with Excel.  Just tell me the way you play, I'll formulate it and will run a few hundred sessions in a few minutes.

At least I'll try to simulate it


Hi Bigbroben.If There any testing should be done to this way of playing,than it should be arranged with Passionrouletta. :lol:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jul 07, 09:24 AM 2018
Sure,

I've already worked on something for Passion, I guess he'd agree to renew it again.

We'll see.

Salut!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 07, 02:57 PM 2018
Bullshit Canam do at least 15 sessions of 150 spins see if u survive.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 07, 07:08 PM 2018
Bullshit Canam do at least 15 sessions of 150 spins see if u survive.

Here is another one.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: The General on Jul 07, 09:39 PM 2018
Wow that graph looks terrible.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 07, 10:34 PM 2018
Bullshit Canam do at least 15 sessions of 150 spins see if u survive.

I am just testing it. Obviously it needs more sessions to be proven profitable on the long run.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jul 08, 10:25 AM 2018
You actually need a whole lot of sessions to be sure.

Here are the results of a simulation ( whichever),after 571 games of 37 spins:
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/07/08/temp_774147.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/21Pp5)
For sure this is a HG, I ran more than 500 games!!!!!!!!

After 2000 games....
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/07/08/temp_654052.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/21gHr)

So, yeah,  huh...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bettingking on Jul 08, 03:27 PM 2018
Yes 500 spins is nothing......thought i had something after 5,000 spins then bang.....a hole was found......it will happen to 99% of strategies with only very few making it through the gaps!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 08, 03:54 PM 2018
You actually need a whole lot of sessions to be sure.

Here are the results of a simulation ( whichever),after 571 games of 37 spins:
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/07/08/temp_774147.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/21Pp5)
For sure this is a HG, I ran more than 500 games!!!!!!!!

After 2000 games....
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/07/08/temp_654052.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/21gHr)

So, yeah,  huh...

It needs some modification and probably worth to invest time in.Sometime it shows not bad result at all..Soon I will post a graph of my playing based on 2,5 years research of Vaddis HG.I am planning to play 15 sessions of 150-300 spins. each,dependent on amount of spins downloaded from online casino.
I hope it will show some positive result.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jul 08, 04:58 PM 2018
Sure!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 09, 12:51 PM 2018
I noticed that when I am using downloaded live spins ,results will be much worse than live dealers spins in online casino.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 09, 01:46 PM 2018
Then you're screwed Canam.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 09, 02:17 PM 2018
its not the case.i have more than 10 online casinos to test my playing.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 09, 02:19 PM 2018
i am just questioning the source where these live spins where extracted from.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 09, 02:20 PM 2018
Then you're screwed Canam.

by the way.did you sold your system (HG)even once?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 09, 02:45 PM 2018
Never. No point of selling an hg 'tif you have enough bankroll and profit. When you have enough money, the only fun thing to do is sometimes come on forums and troll a bit in my spare time.

Since there is practically zero useless info being posted on here.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 09, 02:57 PM 2018
when Vaddi discovered his grail he just left. Didnt bother to come back .
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Mako on Jul 09, 03:37 PM 2018
when Vaddi discovered his grail he just left. Didnt bother to come back .

Exactly. Which is how you know jun hasn't found shit. 

No offense intended jun. You have to admit mentioning "useless info" being posted here in the form of a complaint shows you're still looking.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 09, 03:39 PM 2018
some one who possesses HG is too busy to be here.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Mako on Jul 09, 03:41 PM 2018
some one who possesses HG is too busy to be here.

That's why I'm here...because I haven't found shit either!  :twisted:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 09, 03:46 PM 2018
 :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: keepontryin on Jul 09, 10:58 PM 2018
passion.......... balance is what controls variance.......its the hg......so glad we have it now
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Jul 10, 01:29 AM 2018
EVS : If I'm wrong, please prove it!
CANAM: I can’t ,but Passionrouletta can,if he want to.
 Passionrouletta please prove that I'm wrong:
 Gentlemen, what is the hysteria over a questionable system?! The system is based on the appearance of repetitions, which is a random variable!Found someone what the balance (number of closed of cells) rates on these replays which is great and terrible secret!
  Repeats are a random variable that has such a characteristic as a variance which in turn either raises or lowers the player's pot! The size (number of closed cells) does not affect the variance or mathematical expectation !
 P.S. If I'm wrong, please prove it!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 10, 09:05 AM 2018
Its not just about doubles.you took out of consideration slippers and singles.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 11, 04:23 AM 2018
Here's an idea to try.   :)

Bet the last decision number with
three numerically ahead and behind once.

Example: #25 (newest spin-value)

Bet 22,23,24,25,26,27,28 once:    1.) 2(x)

Bet 36,0,1,2,3,4,5 once....

Bankroll requirement (according to Vaddi)

12 times numbers in play (seven)=84 units total
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jul 12, 09:58 PM 2018
Pouletta,

you've been quite a good teaser, start stripping now!

Show us something else, we wanna see more!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jul 12, 10:00 PM 2018
Its not just about doubles.you took out of consideration slippers and singles.

Slippers?  Please explain.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jul 12, 10:21 PM 2018

Slippers?  Please explain.




He meant "sleepers" -- those numbers that have NOT appeared so far.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 12, 10:42 PM 2018
sleepers>singles>doubles
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jul 12, 11:01 PM 2018
Ok!  Ha...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on Jul 13, 02:54 AM 2018
Pouletta,

you've been quite a good teaser, start stripping now!

Show us something else, we wanna see more!

"Pouletta" must be a slip of the pen:

Newsflash:
Russian Bulletta invented a new kind of bullfight,
wearing nothing but his slippers he’s irritating the bull by crying:
„You show me Vaddis – I show you Muddi’s“
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: maestro on Jul 13, 03:58 AM 2018
Quote
I'll let the graphics speak for me


 :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:...here is 10000 flat and so what...goes shitt in next 5000 spins
your charts speak nothing but how you are just not getting it
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 13, 10:26 AM 2018
"Pouletta" must be a slip of the pen:

Newsflash:
Russian Bulletta invented a new kind of bullfight,
wearing nothing but his slippers he’s irritating the bull by crying: :twisted:
„You show me Vaddis – I show you Muddi’s“

 :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: maestro on Jul 13, 12:53 PM 2018
Quote
Are you telling me that your 10,000 ball graph is good? If I only win 100 chips in 10,000 balls, hahahaha.
I win more in 100 balls than you in 10000 ...

 :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: you meant like this

 :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: maestro on Jul 13, 03:20 PM 2018
Quote
That graph is real?

graph is fake is not real...shows you how easy is someone to say and show things and drag people to the rabbit hole
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: maestro on Jul 13, 05:30 PM 2018
Quote
At least I go with the truth ahead


if you say so...full speed ahead
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jul 15, 12:55 PM 2018
Idea :

"Follow what the wheel does"

Could try this:
A nr repeats.  Bet the nr following the first occurence.

8, 33,4,25,16,22,19,34,2,33 (new).
Bet 4 , then 4 and 25, then 4 25 16... until a hit or a new repeater?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jul 18, 12:09 PM 2018
More ideas:not quite Vaddis, but using the ''mirror'' idea.

I thought from the question : '' what happens every 4 spins''.  For sure a dozen repeats, discarding zero.


Check last 8 spins.  Find the least hit dozen.
Put a unit on the ''mirror'' corresponding place in the dozen.
Ex: the Weak dozen is Doz3.  Put a unit on 32 if 8 comes out, on 25 if 13 comes out, etc, until 8units are on.

Spin until a hit or max 4 times.  Adjust bets if the weak doz changed in spins.

If ''balance'' must come back, it could rebalance with dozens.
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/07/18/temp_242403.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/2pzZU)
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/07/18/temp_807136.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/2uGlg)

Why not...
 
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 18, 01:28 PM 2018
No no and again no.

 This thread gets diluted with useless ideas which are millions of miles away from the original method. This above and also the rest of the 45566789843345 variations of proofreader's. All useless.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 18, 02:01 PM 2018
scissors
Cut this thread and start a fresh one, you with the superior knowledge of Vaddis, good luck.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Mako on Jul 18, 02:25 PM 2018
scissors
Cut this thread and start a fresh one, you with the superior knowledge of Vaddis, good luck.

How about we stick to the original thread topic instead?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 18, 02:35 PM 2018
Notto, you can make yours with your white green graphs (that nobody ever reads) spread all over the place, the WTF KTF KFC WTC BBC ABC whatever methods, acronyms you like.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 18, 02:41 PM 2018
Ok general
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 18, 02:48 PM 2018
Why do you keep calling me general? You into bdsm or you like someone commanding you? This is not the right forum for those type stuff, notto.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jul 18, 02:49 PM 2018
Ok general

Speaking of General,  here,s a forum fallacy:
Isn't a comment from General "due"?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 18, 02:55 PM 2018
Why do you keep calling me general? You into bdsm or you like someone commanding you? This is not the right forum for those type stuff, notto.
Because you sound like that idiot
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jul 18, 03:02 PM 2018
junscissorhands
Notto,

please be kind with junscissorhands... he is a smart guy! 
people like you dont know how to deal with kind persons, so they tend to be nasty to other people because it makes them feel better about themselves.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 18, 03:11 PM 2018
Roulettebeater, don't bother.

I'm not bothered by notto, all that guy has posted in the last couple of years are useless graphs, basically him talking to himself with random graphs about his KTF crap or mpr crap, yawn boring. There are a few of them here, notto, proofreaders and few others posting and recycling the same old crap again and again and again. They are fighting the same fight for years. Instead of cash they have their graphs, numbers and lines, because it makes them look pro, educated. When u tell them the truth, you step on their little toe and they barf like wild dogs. Keep chasing the bone that is glued onto your forehead. So don't bother, those guys have an IQ of an Ant.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 18, 03:18 PM 2018
Notto,

please be kind with junscissorhands... he is a smart guy! 
people like you dont know how to deal with kind persons, so they tend to be nasty to other people because it makes them feel better about themselves.

Bleater, what is that saying, takes one to know one, :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Mako on Jul 18, 03:19 PM 2018
Back on topic....notto if you have something to contribute, by all means, but it's not a KTF thread... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jul 18, 03:23 PM 2018
I won’t stand for anyone bashing notto

He is nice enough to explain his method in DETAIL and posts his sheets

He is the most transparent member

No secrets. He is a straight shooter.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Mako on Jul 18, 03:25 PM 2018
I won’t stand for anyone bashing notto

He is nice enough to explain his method in DETAIL and posts his sheets

He is the most transparent member

No secrets. He is a straight shooter.

Agree RG, he's being an instigator lately though more than a helper... :twisted:

I value his work, KTF isn't a grail but it does win in my opinion.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 18, 03:28 PM 2018
Back on topic....notto if you have something to contribute, by all means, but it's not a KTF thread... :thumbsup:

Mako
Not mentioned KTF, Bleater and scissors have, all i was showing is how often the repeat, is in the 1st 10 spins, so vaddi said find the magic #, did he say 6 and 10 and slowly this magic # of 8 appeared.
So if you look at the checkpoints you'll see 78% of 1st 10 spins gives a repeat.

Anyway you soldier on with the search, scissors won't help
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Mako on Jul 18, 03:38 PM 2018
Mako
Not mentioned KTF, Bleater and scissors have, all i was showing is how often the repeat, is in the 1st 10 spins, so vaddi said find the magic #, did he say 6 and 10 and slowly this magic # of 8 appeared.
So if you look at the checkpoints you'll see 78% of 1st 10 spins gives a repeat.

Anyway you soldier on with the search, scissors won't help

Yes, the 78% stood out to me, I was surprised it was that high.  :thumbsup: 

Jun is helping a lot actually, he plays a version of Vaddis that's unique to him, higher than standard numbers.  Any conversation is good conversation as long as it's productive.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 18, 03:53 PM 2018
Guys like Mako stimulates good positive energy. Well mannered and well spoken. It often reflects how a person is in daily life.

Notto you can't brute force your way into people helping, especially in how you talk. Too chavvy, "mate". That's your whole aura. People (onlookers) on here know better, they can see who knows what.

I've said numerous times I play under the 18 numbers and above 8. But not just eight. I've tested tens of thousands of spin cycles. I'm well aware how many uniques and doubles can happen and in what ranges or frequencies.

There's is not much that I can contribute to vaddi's method anymore. His thread on MM was pretty clear, the only thing you have to figure out is the amount of numbers to play and understanding the pairings and when to "switch".

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 18, 03:56 PM 2018
And the correct amount of bankroll! The one on MM is not correct.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 18, 04:28 PM 2018
And the correct amount of bankroll! The one on MM is not correct.

I presume it should much larger than that.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 18, 04:37 PM 2018
I presume it should much larger than that.

At least double of the original one.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 18, 04:45 PM 2018
Correct.

2.5x
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 18, 04:51 PM 2018
Correct.

2.5x

Make sense.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 19, 12:28 PM 2018
Hi.Does anyone know how to contact moderator privately.?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Badger on Jul 19, 03:04 PM 2018
Hi.Does anyone know how to contact moderator privately.?

Report to moderator.
But you must be logged in.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 19, 04:01 PM 2018
Report to moderator.
But you must be logged in.

Its about privacy issue .I don't want to make it public .
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Turner on Jul 20, 05:56 AM 2018
Its about privacy issue .I don't want to make it public .

use Report to Moderator. Only Mods can see it

Or, PM me or Iggiv.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 20, 07:35 AM 2018
This will be my last post as well, I think I've left enough crumbs for people to find their (own) version of Vaddi's.

Besides, there's not much added value here and most of the stuff is really recycled stuff that will never ever work.
There are no really good conversations with depth like the good old days, sadly.

Read my posts carefully and think hard.

Hope some of you will do well, keep searching and keep winning.



Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jul 20, 08:16 AM 2018
Mmmhh...
I think you expect to be kicked out of here, rather...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: denzie on Jul 20, 08:17 AM 2018


Hope some of you will do well, keep searching and keep winning.

Well... i'll give it a read this 59 pages. Probably a lot of bs and b!tching but i'll try .... thx for the tip  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: denzie on Jul 20, 08:19 AM 2018
Mmmhh...
I think you expect to be kicked out of here, rather...

Ah its only a forum. Dont take things to seriously. Who knows he's actually a good guy. Or not. Its 50/50  :xd:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 20, 08:31 AM 2018
Ah its only a forum. Dont take things to seriously. Who knows he's actually a good guy. Or not. Its 50/50  :xd:
why not stick to one system and test hundreds of sessions? It's way less time consuming creating more and more than to refine one, just one.
Best he said
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jul 20, 09:06 AM 2018
A lot of weird things happening here... the good guys are leaving and we “the rest” have to survive with the idiots !

It doesn’t only stink, it smells as shit too !
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kanam on Jul 20, 09:10 AM 2018
This will be my last post as well, I think I've left enough crumbs for people to find their (own) version of Vaddi's.

Besides, there's not much added value here and most of the stuff is really recycled stuff that will never ever work.
There are no really good conversations with depth like the good old days, sadly.

Read my posts carefully and think hard.

Hope some of you will do well, keep searching and keep winning.

Good luck,Junscissorhands.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bebediktus3 on Jul 20, 09:20 AM 2018
A lot of weird things happening here... the good guys are leaving and we “the rest” have to survive with the idiots !

It doesn’t only stink, it smells as shit too !
Exact !!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Mako on Jul 20, 01:21 PM 2018
A lot of weird things happening here... the good guys are leaving and we “the rest” have to survive with the idiots !

It doesn’t only stink, it smells as shit too !

Nah, think about it: Right now winning methods are being played by more forum members than at any point previously...and thanks to their contributions it's possible to nearly replicate or self-generate most of them.

Each of us must ask ourselves at all times: Am I part of the problem, or am I part of the solution?

If you log on just to shoot others down, even if you know they're full of shit, or scam artists, or dumbfucks, you're part of the problem.

Remember that the enemy is the game, not each other. 
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jul 20, 03:57 PM 2018
Nah, think about it: Right now winning methods are being played by more forum members than at any point previously...and thanks to their contributions it's possible to nearly replicate or self-generate most of them.

Each of us must ask ourselves at all times: Am I part of the problem, or am I part of the solution?

If you log on just to shoot others down, even if you know they're full of shit, or scam artists, or dumbfucks, you're part of the problem.

Remember that the enemy is the game, not each other.

Mako

I give credits to what you mentioned especially you look smart and have decent opinion, at least that’s what i see in your photo   :xd:

But think about it again, people like Denzie, turbo, Andre,cht etc have contributed lots to this forum, suddenly they don’t feel well and want to leave...
This is not a good sign, isn’t it ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Mako on Jul 20, 04:20 PM 2018
Mako

I give credits to what you mentioned especially you look smart and have decent opinion, at least that’s what i see in your photo   :xd:

But think about it again, people like Denzie, turbo, Andre,cht etc have contributed lots to this forum, suddenly they don’t feel well and want to leave...
This is not a good sign, isn’t it ?

Haha yes the likeness is very accurate I can assure you... :twisted:

But towards your point, we can't control what others do, we can only control ourselves on a daily basis.

CHT left by the way not out of some great social injustice cause, but because he feels he has a grail.

He's been winning lately, and his idea of "thanks" to anyone here whose posts he enjoyed, or who potentially helped him to lock down his process, was to just ride on out into the sunset. 

Sometimes people leaving isn't an example of them being upset at the atmosphere, their reasons are their reasons. But again, we can't control what others do...we have to just work each day towards the main goal: Consistent winning.

Anything else is superfluous, unimportant.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Gandhi on Jul 21, 01:53 AM 2018
Great posts Mako. I just finished reading through the MODI 1 thread and it's refreshing to see your level headed responses, but I must admit the Junscissorhands vs Passionruletta battle to prove who knows Vaddi's Grail better is pretty amusing haha.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Mako on Jul 21, 01:23 PM 2018
Great posts Mako. I just finished reading through the MODI 1 thread and it's refreshing to see your level headed responses, but I must admit the Junscissorhands vs Passionruletta battle to prove who knows Vaddi's Grail better is pretty amusing haha.

Haha yes if it's a slow day they can provide some free entertainment for sure.  :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jul 21, 02:34 PM 2018
Don't worry bleater is still here for entertainment
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 21, 03:44 PM 2018
Roulettebeater, don't bother.

I'm not bothered by notto, all that guy has posted in the last couple of years are useless graphs, basically him talking to himself with random graphs about his KTF crap or mpr crap, yawn boring. There are a few of them here, notto, proofreaders and few others posting and recycling the same old crap again and again and again. They are fighting the same fight for years. Instead of cash they have their graphs, numbers and lines, because it makes them look pro, educated. When u tell them the truth, you step on their little toe and they barf like wild dogs. Keep chasing the bone that is glued onto your forehead. So don't bother, those guys have an IQ of an Ant.

Excuse me?? And where is your Grail??
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: keepontryin on Jul 21, 03:54 PM 2018
junsci...whatever......you sound like a real dick.......
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jul 21, 04:23 PM 2018
Roulettebeater, don't bother.

I'm not bothered by notto, all that guy has posted in the last couple of years are useless graphs, basically him talking to himself with random graphs about his KTF crap or mpr crap, yawn boring. There are a few of them here, notto, proofreaders and few others posting and recycling the same old crap again and again and again. They are fighting the same fight for years. Instead of cash they have their graphs, numbers and lines, because it makes them look pro, educated. When u tell them the truth, you step on their little toe and they barf like wild dogs. Keep chasing the bone that is glued onto your forehead. So don't bother, those guys have an IQ of an Ant.

Caleb, you are an idiot.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 22, 08:01 AM 2018
Keepontryin, if you can't type out a name then don't try. Something wrong with your fingers? Lepra?

A real dick yes, sounds like you're a fake one, pussy.


Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: keepontryin on Jul 22, 08:13 AM 2018
seriously thats all you can say..........your name is a waste of time to print......like everything else you have to say......bye bye little man


Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 22, 08:21 AM 2018
Time to print? What on earth are you fucking  talking about?

If you can't manage a conversation then please don't. If you want to personally attack me then at least make some preparations. Now you just look like a dipshit.

Little man? You crack me up. Oh oh oh, maybe this forum is fun just to talk to idiots like you. Useless.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 22, 08:23 AM 2018
RG, I don't know what your grudge is against Caleb, I am not him.

So feel free to continue your ramblings about him, name-calling and such. I don't care, just feel sorry for the man. :)

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jul 22, 08:27 AM 2018
Caleb, you are an idiot.

agreed, he is !
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jul 22, 08:54 AM 2018
This will be my last post as well, I think I've left enough crumbs for people to find their (own) version of Vaddi's.


This is a forum user fallacy.  You never really can quit.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Jul 22, 08:58 AM 2018
At least I can agree with you on that.

The entertainment value on here is way too high. Better than reading comics in my opinion.

Especially when I see people chasing that little pot of gold, but all they see is  a mirage. Blinded idiots.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jul 22, 09:31 AM 2018
I think I've left enough crumbs for people to find their (own) version of Vaddi's.


I have to disagree with you on that...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Gandhi on Jul 22, 11:37 AM 2018
This is a forum user fallacy.  You never really can quit.

Wouldn't be surprised if Vaddi observes these threads and is having a good laugh at everyone fighting over his clues and at the guys that believe they have figured it out.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: kartner2 on Aug 10, 09:13 AM 2018
First post : I'm still studying this .

For me balance relates to 3 things

1)bet vs profit. and how you stay in the game longer to hit those profits
When a number hits ex. 14 you bet that Number (most recent) , you also bet 15 - for balance, but this sacrifices your bank roll... so whats the solution... bet 1unit on 14, bet 14-15 on split. If 15 hits you break even (the balance). If it hits 14 your up by 36units - 16 number bet

2 Balance per cycle between Repeaters 12.33, Singles 12.33 & No hit 12.33 ( sleepers

3) each Number that appears updates your 37 spin cycle... so your sleepers become singles, your singles become repeaters, ad repeaters become sleepers.

Not really sure how to go about testing in bulk.  - so any help on this is appreciated. been testing on RS manually.

PS
*This thread could be more informative if we remember the casino is the enemy not the people on the forums.




Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Aug 13, 03:27 PM 2018
The odds of any repeated number, given a fair wheel, is 1/38. So you should be seeing it a few times per game .

First you need to know the formula for the probability of a repeat repeat number with exactly n spins. That probability is 1-(37/38)*(36/38)*...*((38-n+1)/38). Here are some values by n:

2   0.026316
3   0.077562
4   0.150386
5   0.239819
6   0.339843
7   0.444078
8   0.546485
9   0.641962
10   0.726760
11   0.798666
12   0.856947
13   0.902121
14   0.935606
15   0.959330
16   0.975384
17   0.985749
18   0.992124
19   0.995855
20   0.997927
21   0.999018
22   0.999561
23   0.999815
24   0.999927
25   0.999973
26   0.999991
27   0.999997
28   0.999999

Let f(n) be the probability of a repeat within n spins. Let g(n) be the proability that the first repeat is on exactly the nth spin. Then g(n)=f(n)-f(n-1). Here are some values for g(n)

2   0.026316
3   0.051247
4   0.072824
5   0.089433
6   0.100024
7   0.104235
8   0.102407
9   0.095477
10   0.084799
11   0.071905
12   0.058281
13   0.045175
14   0.033485
15   0.023724
16   0.016054
17   0.010365
18   0.006376
19   0.003731
20   0.002073
21   0.001091
22   0.000543
23   0.000254
24   0.000112
25   0.000046
26   0.000018
27   0.000006
28   0.000002
29   0.000001

Then you take the dot product of the above table to get the expected number of spins, which is...

2*0.026316 + 3*0.051247 + 4*0.072824 + ... = 8.408795574

Any set of 8 spins. on average 54% (about 5 out of 9)
will show at least one repeat, maybe more.
of course that is still the probability too.

Now all is clear!? It is not profitable!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 15, 12:56 AM 2018
An idea to ponder  :)

Natural splits: Mirror, same column

These go together: 1/4, 31/34: 2/5, 32/35: 3/6, 33/36
7/10, 25/28: 8/11, 26/29: 9/12, 27/30: 13/16, 19/22

14/17, 20/23: 15/18, 21/24
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bet the newest two outcomes' splits and their High/Low counterpart
once (eight numbers in play).  Repeat steps with each new outcome.

*If zero shows bet that number and the regular four splits.
(in this cast nine numbers in play for up to eight spins)

Bankroll suggestion: 60 units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 15, 01:35 AM 2018
*Actually (a chip on zero(s) seems to work  :thumbsup:
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Wednesday, August 15,2018 @ 12:06am CDT USA

...29,16 (newest spin-value)

Bet 26/29, 13/16 &
same column mirror splits-19/22, 8/11, 0/00:            1.) 33(x)-5

Bet 33/36, 13/16 & 3/6, 19/22, 0/00:                            2.) 2(x)-5

Bet 2/5, 33/36 & 32/35, 3/6, 0/00:                                 3.) 7(x)-5

Bet 2/5, 7/10 & 32/35, 25/28, 0/00:                               4.) 22(x)-5

Bet 19/22, 7/10 & 13/16, 25/28, 0/00:                          5.) 00(win)+13

(Repeat last bet)                                                               6.) 34(x)-5

Bet 31/34, 19/22 & 1/4, 13/16, 0/00:                             7.) 3(x)-5

Bet 31/34, 3/6 & 1/4, 33/36, 0/00:                                  8.) 32(x)-5

Bet 32/35,3/6 & 2/5, 33/36, 0/00:                                   9.) 00(win)+13

(repeat last bet)                                                                10.) 6(win)+13
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+4
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Wednesday, August 15,2018 @ 12:18am CDT USA

...36,35 (newest spin-value)

Bet 33/36, 32/35 & 3/6, 2/5, 0:    1.) 35(win)+13
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Aug 16, 07:52 PM 2018
so how much $$$ does the vaddis holy grail make per hour if you are playing rapid roulette at 50 spins per hour ?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 16, 09:41 PM 2018
tbh that's a good question

Vaddi's exact system is still a mystery
(though there are some that claim they have figured out his clues.)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Aug 16, 09:53 PM 2018
I think I read somewhere it was on average one unit per spin.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: The General on Aug 17, 10:25 PM 2018
I think I read somewhere it was on average one unit per spin.

Not a chance in hell.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: boyd30 on Aug 18, 05:51 AM 2018
If you for example have this sequence 4, 12, 22, 35, 32, 21, 10, 1. Bet this 8 numbers plus the over and under number. Can be maximum 24 numbers. Bet maximum 8 times stop when in plus. Do another 8 numbers. Maybe it's already tried? I can't stop thinking about Vaddis.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ozon on Aug 18, 03:23 PM 2018
I had such an option yesterday.
I played the last eight numbers and one number up and one down, when the numbers overlapped, the stakes on these numbers were higher, as were the repeaters rates on these numbers were higher.

The only thing I played differently, I played every spin on roling bases, always the last 8 numbers, always 24 units, no matter how many numbers I played.

At the beginning, the results surprised me after 150 spins, I was 427 units on the plus
But the further I played on 273 spin I was already below zero.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Aug 18, 07:26 PM 2018
I had such an option yesterday.
I played the last eight numbers and one number up and one down, when the numbers overlapped, the stakes on these numbers were higher, as were the repeaters rates on these numbers were higher.

The only thing I played differently, I played every spin on roling bases, always the last 8 numbers, always 24 units, no matter how many numbers I played.

At the beginning, the results surprised me after 150 spins, I was 427 units on the plus
But the further I played on 273 spin I was already below zero.
well obviously
thats not vaddis
next
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Aug 18, 07:30 PM 2018
well looking at this yesterday
will the last 8 outcomes....and its flatbetting
we know in that form it doesnt work
so vaddis needsto leave easier clues.
or those  that have  cliamed to have  worked it out  .it would b lovely for them to leave clues .
so a ten year old child to understand  it :twisted:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Aug 18, 08:17 PM 2018
Could it be a 16 number bet? The last 8 numbers and the opposite number directly across from the wheel?

Example 8 hits so you bet 7 and 8

20 hit you bet 19 and 20.

You do this with the last 8 numbers and add the opposite number? I honestly don't know. Just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 18, 09:11 PM 2018
Example 8 hits so you bet 7 and 8-Irish88

I remember the clue 8x3=24--(24 numbers?)

So, eight unique singles and the number numerically above and below?

7,8 & 9-with #8 being the unique?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Blueprint on Aug 18, 09:48 PM 2018
Who cares. 
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Aug 19, 02:25 PM 2018
x://x.money-maker-machine.com/forum/general-discussion/wish-i-could-openly-share-roulette-grail/?action=printpage

Title: Re: Wish I could openly share Roulette Grail
Post by: Vaddi on June 07, 2013, 07:39:38 PM
Roulette numbers have three states:

1. No hits (0)
2. Single hits (1)
3. Doubles + (2)

After a 37 spin cycle, this is what you'll typically see:

0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
3
3
3

In this case:

11 no-hits
12 singles
11 doubles +

Singles (12) and doubles (11) nearly 50 / 50. (in balance)

If doubles aren't dropping, that means singles are dropping.

And if singles aren't dropping, that means doubles are dropping.

Double-hit ranges:

7 numbers: hit range = 1 - 14 (14th spin hits 7th spin)
8 numbers: hit range = 1 - 15 (15th spin hits 8th spin)
9 numbers: hit range = 1 - 16 (16th spin hits 9th spin)
10 numbers: hit range = 1 - 17 (17th spin hits 10th spin)

You can't hit all the doubles all the time because -- depending on the magic number you choose -- the distance between say #20 dropping again, might be 25 spins later (outside the hit ranges above), but during that gap of 25 spins, singles are dropping like crazy, so how do you take advantage of the singles as well?

I was expecting a few veterans to figure out that the missing part of the puzzle is a way to bet that also capitalizes on balance by also thinking about singles, not just doubles.

- Vaddi

Title: Re: Wish I could openly share Roulette Grail
Post by: Vaddi on June 07, 2013, 08:35:53 PM
Always bear in mind that roulette is about balance.

You had one side: the doubles

To create balance, you now have the flip side / other side of the coin: the singles

The fundamentals of the grail have not changed. The betting method still stands, but there is one betting adjustment that must be made on the table to take advantage of those two sides at the very same time and to take advantage of balance.

When the wheel spits out doubles, you're there.

When the wheel spits out singles, you're there.

Roulette starts with the (0) state:

0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0

37 numbers with no hits.

But it's a law that it must change to something like this, every 37 spins:

0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
3
3
3

- Vaddi

Title: Re: Wish I could openly share Roulette Grail
Post by: Vaddi on June 08, 2013, 09:55:39 AM
I don't like the word newbie. So, I'll say ...

If you are relatively new to player roulette, you might be spending a lot of time scratching your head trying to figure out the last practical piece to the puzzle. In which case: find a friend, associate, or acquaintance who has intermediate or advanced level experience.

BTW, ...

When you solve the final part of the puzzle, you will realize that you have a balanced integrated system that impacts on ...

- Non-hits (sleepers) (0)
- Singles (1)
- Doubles + (Repeaters) (2)

And, of course: each round of 37 spins, begins with 37 sleepers.

But at the end of those 37 spins: the sleepers, singles, and repeaters are close in number of occurrences (give or take a difference of say... +1, or +2).

- Vaddi
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Scarface on Aug 19, 07:11 PM 2018
Think I might have figure out a piece of the puzzle here.  But first, need to know what are the average odds that a repeater falls between spin 9 through 16?  And what is the average number of repeaters in this spin range?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Aug 19, 08:00 PM 2018
Do you mean a first repeater to hit from spins 9 to 16, or you mean the spin gap between the 2 occurences of a repeating nr?

Average nr of repeaters from spin 9 to 16?  Should be easy to find.

P.S.  "Follow what the wheel does".  Are you thinking of following the wheel but not from too close, like 9 spins (or any other) behind?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 19, 10:33 PM 2018
It just occurred to me this:

Track until you get eight uniques..bet once.

If miss repeat tracking a new eight uniques, repeat.

Boring maybe, but Bankroll friendly.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: The General on Aug 19, 11:46 PM 2018
It just occurred to me this:

Track until you get eight uniques..bet once.

If miss repeat tracking a new eight uniques, repeat.

Boring maybe, but Bankroll friendly.

Why do you need to wait for eight unique?  Why can't you just make up the "eight unique" numbers at random?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 19, 11:54 PM 2018
Just following part of Vaddi's instructions

If just choosing any random numbers worked it would
defeat the original purpose of the Roulette wheel.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Aug 20, 12:37 AM 2018
 bday.tMax.dist.cum(38)#38 Roulette numbers
Time difference of 0.009552002 secs
[1] "for 38 items, mean:8.4088 "
          Draw X    Draw X Prob     cumulative: (X or less)
 [1,]            1            0                0           
 [2,]            2 0.026315789474   0.026315789474         
 [3,]            3 0.051246537396   0.07756232687         
 [4,]            4 0.072824026826   0.1503863537           
 [5,]            5 0.0894330154     0.2398193691           
 [6,]            6 0.10002376722    0.33984313632         
 [7,]            7 0.10423529427    0.44407843059         
 [8,]            8 0.10240660489    0.54648503548         
 [9,]            9 0.095476834636   0.64196187011         
[10,]           10 0.084798504447   0.72676037456         
[11,]           11 0.071905164589   0.79866553915         
[12,]           12 0.058281028141   0.85694656729         
[13,]           13 0.045174768224   0.90212133551         
[14,]           14 0.033484806271   0.93560614179         
[15,]           15 0.023724053026   0.95933019481         
[16,]           16 0.016053870469   0.97538406528         
[17,]           17 0.010364604092   0.98574866937         
[18,]           18 0.0063755952804  0.99212426465         
[19,]           19 0.0037306114799  0.99585487613         
[20,]           20 0.0020725619333  0.99792743807         
[21,]           21 0.0010908220701  0.99901826014         
[22,]           22 0.00054254045067 0.99956080059         
[23,]           23 0.00025427334405 0.99981507393         
[24,]           24 0.00011192893614 0.99992700287         
[25,]           25 4.6103451955e-05 0.99997310632         
[26,]           26 1.7693210729e-05 0.99999079953         
[27,]           27 6.2950581329e-06 0.99999709459         
[28,]           28 2.0643712905e-06 0.99999915896         
[29,]           29 6.1971379872e-07 0.99999977867         
[30,]           30 1.6890695642e-07 0.99999994758         
[31,]           31 4.1383737053e-08 0.99999998896         
[32,]           32 9.0027778853e-09 0.99999999797         
[33,]           33 1.7119034349e-09 0.99999999968         
[34,]           34 2.787474343e-10  0.99999999996         
[35,]           35 3.7788727138e-11            1           <<<<too lazy to make this more accurate!
[36,]           36 4.0947537147e-12            1           
[37,]           37 3.3250631668e-13            1           
[38,]           38 1.7986452803e-14            1           
[39,]           39 4.8612034602e-16            1   

almost forgot sim data
1 million sets of 8 spins
results from 0 repeats to 1 to 6
      group        middle     freq  freq/100
--------------------------------------------
-0.5 <= x < 0.50     0.00   453851    45.39%
0.50 <= x < 1.50     1.00   409193    40.92%
1.50 <= x < 2.50     2.00   121785    12.18%
2.50 <= x < 3.50     3.00    14465     1.45%
3.50 <= x < 4.50     4.00      693     0.07%
4.50 <= x < 5.50     5.00       12     0.00%
5.50 <= x < 6.50     6.00        1     0.00%
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Aug 20, 12:58 AM 2018
THE GENERAL  I have long been know it.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Aug 20, 02:28 AM 2018
[quote author=evs
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Aug 20, 02:32 AM 2018
we must not forget about the variance!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Scarface on Aug 20, 03:22 PM 2018
Do you mean a first repeater to hit from spins 9 to 16, or you mean the spin gap between the 2 occurences of a repeating nr?

Average nr of repeaters from spin 9 to 16?  Should be easy to find.

P.S.  "Follow what the wheel does".  Are you thinking of following the wheel but not from too close, like 9 spins (or any other) behind?

Average # of repeaters from spin 9-16
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Aug 20, 09:05 PM 2018
You know I could give you a short answer and say: about 2,1   but I'll dissect this shorg answer in a long one once I get to my computer and my mistress Excel!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Aug 20, 09:16 PM 2018
Well with all of Nottos hard work it seems to work this way:

Spins 1-10  1 repeat
Spins 11-20 3 repeats
Spins 21-30 5 repeats
Spins 31-40 7 repeats
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: junscissorhands on Aug 21, 03:46 AM 2018
Wrong, wrong, wrong.

That thread on MM has been there for so many bloody years. I simply cannot believe the majority here can't even decode such simple clues. Maybe it's time to stop digging and pack your bags because  this is simply going nowhere.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Aug 21, 07:31 AM 2018
You know I could give you a short answer and say: about 2,1   but I'll dissect this shorg answer in a long one once I get to my computer and my mistress Excel!

Here, results of 8109 cycles with random.org nrs:

Amount of repeaters from spin 9 to 16:

Min: 0
Max: 7
Average: 2,166
Median: 2

Distribution:
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/08/21/source.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/tlTpg)

Short answer long.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: The General on Aug 21, 01:56 PM 2018
[quote author = junscissorhands link = topic = 15824.msg208560 # msg208560 date = 1534837604]
Wrong, wrong, wrong.

That thread on MM has been there for so many bloody years. I simply can not believe the majority here can not even decode such simple clues. Maybe it's time to stop digging and pack your bags because this is simply going nowhere.
[/ quote]

Each one has discovered it in their own way, because you think that your way of seeing it is the one that fulfills the one of vaddis? I found my way about vaddis, but now I am getting beyond knowing something like the dovecot principle, which is a very powerful weapon to solve problems and it seems that it is something related to the because of the vaddis.
But you because you think what you do about vaddis is right and what we see the rest is not?
Show results or do some tests that are visible for everyone to see.
regards

Clues huh? ::)

It's like searching for clues to make a box of stupid work.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on Aug 22, 04:17 AM 2018
now I am getting beyond knowing something like the dovecot principle, which is a very powerful weapon to solve problems

Hi PassionRuleta ,
please show us one problem that you were able to solve  with the dovecot principle.
Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 15, 12:21 AM 2018
Hey guys :)  New idea to try
==============================
Single number builder system with a twist

Start by betting #0 as the first number.
(Also bet single #0 on the American wheel as a start)

As each number shows bet that number along with the last one

Example:  Bet #0:     1.) #22

Bet 0,22:                    2.) #13

Bet 0,22,13...

**if there is a hit during the singles builder
portion restart with #0 bet or end session (if in profit)

If you get to eight numbers in play bet zero and the last seven
newest outcomes (eight numbers in play) continuously until in profit.

Bankroll suggestion: 132 units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Sep 15, 05:01 AM 2018
Proof.
Why is 8 so special in Vaddi, is it the, if win on spin 8, break even.
Proof I have been recording a set of spins daily for 966 days, this one set is aired on television, get between 60 spins maybe up to 90 plus spins; the point is this.
The 1st 10 spins give a repeat more often than 10/10;
Proof the last 354 days of the 966 games, I’ve been recording how betting the 10 spins do.
I would use if I was to play this way 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3 progression.
This progression is +448; it was as high as 800 units.
The downfall is when 10/10 happens, 10/10 has grouped in 2’s quite often, but it is still plus.

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/09/15/source.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/tLsUU)

The above is +78
And below is +126

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/09/15/sourcef9c50.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/tL2Vg)

But just 2 groups of 10/10 do a lot of damage to the profit.
In fact, although 10/10 hits less often the profit is not worth the risk.

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/09/15/source4b3bd.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/tLthV)


Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Sep 15, 05:41 AM 2018
Proof.
Why is 8 so special in Vaddi, is it the, if win on spin 8, break even.
Proof I have been recording a set of spins daily for 966 days, this one set is aired on television, get between 60 spins maybe up to 90 plus spins; the point is this.
The 1st 10 spins give a repeat more often than 10/10;
Proof the last 354 days of the 966 games, I’ve been recording how betting the 10 spins do.
I would use if I was to play this way 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3 progression.
This progression is +448; it was as high as 800 units.
The downfall is when 10/10 happens, 10/10 has grouped in 2’s quite often, but it is still plus.

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/09/15/source.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/tLsUU)

The above is +78
And below is +126

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/09/15/sourcef9c50.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/tL2Vg)

But just 2 groups of 10/10 do a lot of damage to the profit.
In fact, although 10/10 hits less often the profit is not worth the risk.

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/09/15/source4b3bd.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/tLthV)

Vaddis original idea was the 8 number bet then increased bet size for two spins I think making it a ten step bet before he did his hg thread
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Sep 15, 05:50 AM 2018
Could have been 3 steps can’t remember off hand as it’s in my pc at home
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Sep 15, 09:35 AM 2018
Proof.
Why is 8 so special in Vaddi, is it the, if win on spin 8, break even-Notto


Yes, it was for that reason.

Thanks for all of your research Notto.

@all: I've noticed over a two year period, number zero tends
to hit more than once in 37/38 spins in a Live wheel setting.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Oct 26, 12:19 AM 2018
Upon closer examination...

It's the twice-hit singles you have to watch.

Seven, eight, or nine usually appear
within 37 spins and to my surprise are quite active.

Here's Track Four to help track
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 01, 11:40 PM 2018
Just tried a session with a slight tweak:

*When you collect seven singles that have two or more hits bet those seven
continuously.  If an eight and ninth single hits more than once bet those also.
=============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Thursday, November 1,2018 @ 10:34pm CDT USA

(also used Track Four software for tracking)

...5,5,26,25,5,9,24,20,20,5,28,23,14,28,3,11,21,
28,19,35,24,27,16,20,36,16,0 (newest spin-value)

Singles that have more than one hit: 16,24,25,36,20,28,5

Bet 16,24,25,36,20,28,5:    1.) 30(x)-7

2.) 13(x)-7               3.) 31(x)-7               4.) 19(x)-7*

New repeat single added

Bet 16,24,25,36,20,28,5,19:    5.) 13(x)-8*

New repeat single added

Bet 16,24,25,36,20,28,5,19,13:    6.) 24(win)+27

Bet 16,24,25,36,20,28,5,19,13:    7.) 19(win)+27
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+18
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Nov 02, 08:08 AM 2018
Proof do you know the 36*1,5,25,+ method
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 02, 09:28 AM 2018
no haven't heard of it
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 02, 11:30 PM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Friday, November 2,2018 @ 10:22pm CDT USA

35,8,23,16,34,34,24,34,14,7,23,12,29,21,10,23,22,22,6,31,35,30,20,
24,19,3,34,15,24,18,34,11,0,8,28,8,5,22,9,00,26,30 (newest spin-value)

Singles that have hit more than once: 30,35,8,22,23,24,34

Bet 30,35,8,22,23,24,34:            1.) 6(x)-7*

New repeat single added

Bet 30,35,8,22,23,24,34,6:         2.) 13(x)-8

Bet 30,35,8,22,23,24,34,6:         3.) 27(x)-8

Bet 30,35,8,22,23,24,34,6:         4.) 30(win)+28

Bet 30,35,8,22,23,24,34,6:         5.) 00(x)-8

New repeat single added

Bet 30,35,8,22,23,24,34,6,00:    6.) 34(win)+27

Bet 30,35,8,22,23,24,34,6,00:    7.) 22(win)+27
-----------------------------------------------------------------
+46
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 03, 04:43 AM 2018
Vaddis HG if played correctly together with cycle count, parallel universe and frequency distribution gives amazing results
(This game in the image below starts with 10units betsize)

The problem is almost everyone is doing it wrongly
You won't get the results if you don't have MATH behind your design

Random has limits ------- Turbo

Exploit this FACT !

Make sure you understand the MATH first
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on Nov 03, 07:05 AM 2018
 :thumbsup:

(This game in the image below starts with 10units betsize)

The problem is almost everyone is doing it wrongly
You won't get the results if you don't have MATH behind your design

Hi luckyfella,
show us some MATH ! and the promised picture  :thumbsup:
Tnx
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: luckyfella on Nov 03, 10:52 AM 2018
:thumbsup:
Hi luckyfella,
show us some MATH ! and the promised picture  :thumbsup:
Tnx
The picture shows a graph of 25000units profit played over 272spins on RS at 5units betsize (steve has to approve the pic for you to see it)

The MATH involves your understanding of the word LIMIT

Most people understand LIMIT as the common basic -
20reds in a row
Or #20 sleeps for 400+ spins
Or 12repeaters in 37spins

If you understand it this way, your understanding is limited
Ofc it shows variance is a huge monster that kills your br

Reconfigure your understanding of LIMIT

Example
If you are betting opposite red=black, don't think of how many total consecutive reds
Instead think of how many consecutive blacks
(minimum gap is one example, google to read up on TGs work)

Plot the frequency distribution to reveal the details for target betting

Read my post on how to properly use positive and negative progression

The ONLY way to win is to mathematically reconfigure RANDOM to reveal the LIMIT

The best help I have given on any forum
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Nov 03, 05:28 PM 2018
Parallal universe  in roulette . Omg 😲
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Madi on Nov 03, 05:37 PM 2018
U wont find any of the glory hole people( sorry i mean pegion hole) and different stream ( aka parallar stream)come up with an example. No need to make so much drama while u r playing red black. Valid is just simple.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 10, 12:43 AM 2018
Toying with this idea :)

Note the newest High outcome
and the newest Low outcome.

Bet those two respectively and the
next numerically higher number once.

Repeat steps for each new spin-value.

Stop when in profit.

Bankroll suggestion: 48 units

Example: 12,35 (newest outcome)

Bet 12,13 & 35,36 once:    1.) 24(x)

Bet 12,13 & 24,25 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: hanshuckebein on Nov 11, 01:06 PM 2018
Hi Lucky,

would you regard this as a definition for a limit?

"for a nonempty, finite bag of real numbers, the maximum is at least the average (and the minimum is at most the average)."

cheers
hans
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on Nov 11, 01:56 PM 2018
The best help I have given on any forum
Hi luckyfella,
thank you for your answer.
I just found your answer now and have to work about it.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 16, 04:37 PM 2018
New idea :)

Bankroll suggestion: 144 units

Track until you have seven consecutive unique singles.

Bet those seven once.

When you have eight uniques bet those eight once.

When you have nine unique singles bet those once.

If all three attempts miss restart tracking new uniques.

Stop when in profit.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Nov 16, 06:24 PM 2018
So a cost of 24.  Not a bad idea.

Could code this with Excel.  Other conditions?  If, say, a hit but not in profit? Ex:  hit on second bet with 9nrs.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 16, 08:05 PM 2018
Other conditions?  If, say, a hit but not in
profit? Ex:  hit on second bet with 9nrs
.-Bigbroben

Start over tracking new unique singles.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Nov 16, 08:38 PM 2018
Ok so, if no hit after 9 nrs, let go until a repeater comes, then retrack, or after 9, play 7nrs right away?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 16, 08:44 PM 2018
Ok so, if no hit after 9 nrs...Bigbroben

Start over tracking new unique singles.
(Remember to keep track of your bankroll)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 16, 10:41 PM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Friday, November 16,2018 @ 9:07pm CST USA

...15,35,27,6,10,11,34 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven consecutive unique singles once:
(15,35,27,6,10,11,34)

1.) 25(x)-7

Bet the last eight consecutive unique singles once:
(15,35,27,6,10,11,34,25)

2.) 3(x)-8

Bet the last nine consecutive unique singles once:
(15,35,27,6,10,11,34,25,3)

3.) 36(x)-9

Track seven new consecutive unique singles.

...23,30,13,11,6,14,32 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven unique singles once:
(23,30,13,11,6,14,32)

4.) 29(x)-7

Bet the last eight unique singles once:
(23,30,13,11,6,14,32,29)

5.) 2(x)-8

Bet the last nine unique singles once:
(23,30,13,11,6,14,32,29,2)

6.) 23(win)+27

Track seven new consecutive unique singles.

...0,2,25,34,28,18,16 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven unique singles once.
(0,2,25,34,28,18,16)

7.) 36(x)-7

Bet the last eight unique singles once.
(0,2,25,34,28,18,16,36)

8.) 18(win)+28
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Grand total: +9 units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 17, 12:10 AM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Friday, November 16,2018 @ 9:43pm CDT USA

...11,22,34,9,5,27,28 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven consecutive unique singles once:   
(11,22,34,9,5,27,28)

1.) 4(x)-7

Bet the last eight consecutive unique singles once:     
(11,22,34,9,5,27,28,4)

2.) 8(x)-8

Bet the last nine consecutive unique singles once:
(11,22,34,9,5,27,28,4,8)

3.) 36(x)-9

Track seven new consecutive unique singles.

...2,34,29,14,32,19,27 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven consecutive unique singles once:
(2,34,29,14,32,19,27)

4.) 36(x)-7

Bet the last eight consecutive unique singles once:
(2,34,29,14,32,19,27,36)

5.) 7(x)-8

Bet the last nine consecutive unique singles once:
(2,34,29,14,32,19,27,36,7)

6.) 27(win)+27

Track seven new consecutive unique singles.

...34,1,9,32,27,6,13 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven consecutive unique singles once:
(34,1,9,32,27,6,13)

7.) 00(x)-7

Bet the last eight consecutive unique singles once:
(34,1,9,32,27,6,13,00)

8.) 30(x)-8

Bet the last nine unique singles once:
(34,1,9,32,27,6,13,00,30)

9.) 19(x)-9

Track seven new consecutive unique singles.

...5,32,33,34,31,00,11 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven consecutive unique singles:

1.) 31(win)+29

Track seven new consecutive unique singles.

...8,20,17,32,4,33,30 (newest spin-value)

Bet the last seven consecutive unique singles once.
(8,20,17,32,4,33,30)

1.) 30(win)+29
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Grand total: +22 units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Normy2000 on Nov 17, 03:10 PM 2018
Hello Proof,
I coded it in Rx with a 25 steps progression.
Reached Step 22 at spin 1665 and step 24 at step 1941, other than that, it won on 5200 dublin spins.
Need a huge BR,  :twisted:

Reveal (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Normy2000 on Nov 17, 03:14 PM 2018
Same spins, flat bet.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 17, 06:51 PM 2018
thanks for testing Normy2000
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Nov 18, 09:28 PM 2018
About step 2 of Vaddis:
It's 88888 (if the number is 8 )  then on a hit, 7.

What after that?  Is it back to 8 or would it be  7777 then another hit, 6666, then 5555 until down to 1111, so seeking ever shorter gaps?

Add to that the pairs...

I wonder.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Nov 19, 09:39 AM 2018
I did exploit Excel to extract the following information:

Question was: how many times a number will hit before the other number in the pair hits?

So I ran many times -10k trials of 1000 spins-, each gathering the infos for every 18 pairs (disregard zero).

It turns out, no matter which type of pair one uses (37pair, +18pair, +1pair, whatever), there is 51% times a number will hit once before the other number hits.  I had expect it to be exactly at 50%, but they all average 50,9%, 51%.

Here is a sample:
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/11/19/source3ad0b.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/Tc8qV)

So, top right, there were 4 918 244 switches in a 10k x 1000 spins.  A switch happens when the other nr in the pair arrives.

Of these 4918244 switches, 2 505 587 times did the first nr hit once before the other one kicked in (2nd top left).  So, an average of 50,94475%.
The other columns report how many times the nr hit twice, 3 times, 4 times...  with a minimum, maximum, average and median value for all 1000 spins in a trial.

In all the 1000 spin test, the maximum a nr repeated before the other one hit was 26 ( in this sample), the minimum was 6.  These value are consistent in all trials.

How do we take advantage of this?
From these nrs, a good way to play would be to remove the hit nr in the pair and keep the other unhit, as opposed to keeping the hit and removing the unhit.

Now, when to play both nrs, when to play only one?  It needs still to be figured out.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Mako on Nov 19, 04:18 PM 2018
Ben, can this be added to your number density recovery method, meaning removing the hit nrs from it under certain trigger circumstances and focusing on the pairs, and vice versa?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Nov 19, 11:09 PM 2018
For sure,

there are 2 aspects to decide, how many nrs to play, and which ones to play.
The grinding recovery applies to how many.

About which ones, have a look at the following datas.   The numbers in the pair are coming out this way. ( Mako, RCR, you know?)
Take pair 11, in this example.  Say a 37pair, 11/26.
Sequence: 1,1,1,1,2,2,1,2,1,1,1,1,4,2,2,2,1,5,1,5,2,4,1.
So the nr out in the pair, if 11 was the first one to come.
11,26,11,26,11,11,26,26,11,26,26,11,26,11,26,11,11,11,11,26,26,11,11,26,11,11,11,11,11,...

Whereas pair 18 would have been: 1,1,9,1,1,3,1,2,...
So: 18,19,18,18,18,18,18,18,18,18,18,18,...

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/11/19/source7db3f.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/Tqkus)

So sequences with smaller runs and more switching (pair 8 ), will show profit if playing switch.
Pair 11 totalizes 23W/21L.  Pair 14: 23/17
Now this doesn't tell how many spins it takes between hits, so we don't know how much every hit costs.

When adding the other nr on a loss, though, so at 2nrs, one is certain to hit it next time.  Could it be then the time to play a run?  Stay at 2nrs until next switch?  Or the nr that's running only?  Must be thought over.
Nevertheless, these reflexions are intriguing.

It is less of a big deal also when attempting to recover with nr density, because anyway at some point many pairs will be played with 2 nrs.
Comes another question: always keep one of the 2nrs or also delete the last one on a win?  Depends, I guess, if reaching new highs, or new lows, or if playing an incomfortable amount of nrs.  I like keeping the last nr in a pair when playing below 22nrs.  I'd never keep one  if playing 24 or more nrs, especially early in a recovery.  (My feeling is the sweet spot is from 18 to 24 nrs using the grind).

Bref, 51% switch is already noteworthy.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 20, 02:12 AM 2018
Thanks for the input Bigbroben.

Remember a bettor usually has 15 to 20 seconds
to place a bet, so execution should be fairly simple.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 20, 06:13 AM 2018
Here's an idea :)

***Red or Black singles***

Bet the last four Red singles outcomes and one number numerically
higher (if the last decision is Red) and vice versa if the last decision is Black.

Example: 20,2,12,31,5,14,36,12 (newest spin-value)

Bet 12,13:  36,0:  14,15:  5,6 once:    1.) 13(x)-8

Bet 13,14:  31,32:  2,3:  20,21 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Nov 20, 08:21 AM 2018
Here's an idea :)

***Red or Black singles***

Bet the last four Red singles outcomes and one number numerically
higher (if the last decision is Red) and vice versa if the last decision is Black.

Example: 20,2,12,31,5,14,36,12 (newest spin-value)

Bet 12,13:  36,0:  14,15:  5,6 once:    1.) 13(x)-8

Bet 13,14:  31,32:  2,3:  20,21 once....

Surprising start...
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/11/20/source.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/THHFt)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Nov 20, 09:35 AM 2018
Here's the file I created to calculate the Switch/Run sequences.

Reduced it to 500 spins so the files gets smaller than 1.5Mb.
If anyone sees an error that could radically change results, please share!

P.S.: find Waldo!

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on Nov 20, 01:40 PM 2018
P.S.: find Waldo!

Gotcha!  ;)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Nov 20, 01:48 PM 2018
Fun isn't it?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 20, 10:50 PM 2018
Surprising start...
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/11/20/source.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/THHFt)

Seek and you shall find  :thumbsup:

I'm hoping the Red-Black phenomena holds

Thanks for testing Bigbroben  8)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Nov 20, 11:05 PM 2018
These are the only spins I tested though.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Nov 21, 04:21 PM 2018
Here's the file I created to calculate the Switch/Run sequences.


If anyone sees an error that could radically change results, please share!


Found it!

I was running tests win 10k spins per shot and saw the switch average went from 51% to 50.15.  Then ran 37 spin tests and the switch average was 77%.
Thought: something wrong.

Indeed, if only the first switch per pair is taken into account, switches and run end up the same, in the long run.  Since some pairs showed more switching than others, more 1s appeared, creating an unbalance in the calculations, which is diminished with ever longer spin tests.

So, yeah, 50/50, as expected.

Let's move on.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 22, 03:00 AM 2018
Alright then here's another idea :)

Bankroll suggestion: 216 units

Track until you have seven consecutive unique singles.

Bet that spin-value and the number numerically higher once.

Repeat betting the last decision outcome and the
higher number (always two numbers in play) until in profit.

Example: 21,0,13,9,18,3,14 (newest outcome)

Bet 14,15 once:    1.) 3(x)

Bet 3,4 once:        2.) 0(x)

Bet 0,1 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 22, 10:07 AM 2018
One more idea :)

Two Blacks,Two Reds Plus One

Procedure: Note the newest two Red and Black outcomes.

Bet those four and one number numerically higher once.

Example:  14,31,2,31,21 (newest spin-value)

Bet 14,15, 21,22 & 2,3, 31,32 once:    1.) 17(x)

Bet 14,15, 21,22 & 31,32, 17,18 once....

Bankroll suggestion: 192 total units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 28, 02:33 AM 2018
Some time to brainstorm, so here goes  :)
==============================
Bankroll suggestion: 210 total units

Procedure: Track five consecutive unique singles (qualifier)

Flat-bet those five once.  If miss

Bet the six consecutive unique singles.  If miss

Bet the seven consecutive uniques...

If nine unique singles miss, restart tracking five new unique singles.

Stop when in profit.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 30, 03:24 PM 2018
Time for a new idea so here goes:
==============================
Bankroll suggestion: 180 units total

Procedure: Note the newest three unique singles outcomes.

Place *two* chips on each unique and one chip on
the number numerically higher (nine chips in play).

Repeat steps with the newest outcomes until in profit.

Example: 21,36,9 (newest outcome)

Bet #21 (two chips), #22:  #36 (two chips), #0:  #9 (two chips), #10 once:  1.) 13(x)-9

Bet #36 (two chips), #0:  #9 (two chips), #10: 13 (two chips), #14 once...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 02, 02:52 AM 2018
Alright, a different approach:
==============================
Look at the marquee.  Which singles have repeated in the last 12 spins?

Bet those singles and the number numerically higher continuously.

As more repeats show within 12 spins bet those also with its compliment
(Max eight numbers in play).  Stop when in profit.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 02, 02:33 PM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Sunday, December 2,2018 @ 1:30pm CDT USA

...18,13,13,5,27,
19,18,24,5,5,36,17 (newest outcome)

Bet 18,19   13,14   5,6:    1.) 1(x)-6               2.) 14(win)+30
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+24
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 02, 03:33 PM 2018
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Sunday, December 2,2018 @ 1:51pm CDT USA

...31,16,13,18,23,13,34,11,9,2,9 (newest spin-value)

Bet 13,14    9,10:    1.) 19(x)-4               2.) 5(x)-4

3.) 19(x)-4*

Bet 13,14     9,10     19,20:    4.) 18(x)-6

*according to Vaddi bet the number
numerically less if the higher number is not available.

Bet 13,14    9,10    19,20    *18,17:    5.) 16(x)-8

6.) 5(x)-8               7.) 29(x)-8               8.) 17(win)+28

9.) 4(x)-8

*Bet the newest four repeat singles with compliments

Bet 18,17    19,20    9,10    5,6

10.) 31(x)-8               11.) 27(x)-8               12.) 17(win)+28

*Bet the newest four repeat singles with compliments

Bet 19,20,    5,6,    9,10    17,18:   

13.) 1(x)-8                 14.) 12(x)-8               15.) 18(win)+28
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+14
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 06, 01:49 AM 2018
Can't sleep, so here's another idea.
==============================
Bankroll suggestion: 165 total units

Track eight consecutive unique singles.  Bet once.

If win (and in profit end session)

If miss restart tracking eight new unique singles...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: bigmoney on Dec 06, 04:05 AM 2018
last tweleve numbers ...find a gap of 4 spaces and bet them using a progression
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 06, 03:09 PM 2018
This idea looks good atm:
==============================
---American Wheel Sectors of Four---

A.) 28,9,26,30                    F.) 25,29,12,8

B.) 11,7,20,32                    G.) 19,31,18,6

C.) 17,5,22,34                    H.) 21,33,16,4

D.) 15,3,24,36                     I.) 23,35,14,2

E.) 13,1,27,10
==============================
---European Wheel Sectors of Four---

A.) 32,15,19,4                    F.) 16,33,1,20

B.) 21,2,25,17                    G.) 14,31,9,22

C.) 34,6,27,13                    H.) 18,29,7,28

D.) 36,11,30,8                     I.) 12,35,3,26

E.) 23,10,5,24
---------------------------------------------------------------
Note the newest spin-value.

Bet the corresponding sector and one
numerically higher number's sector once.

Example: #13 (newest outcome)

Bet 34,6,27,13 & 14,31,9,22 & 0 once (European Wheel)

1.) 25(x)-9

Bet 21,2,25,17 & 12,35,3,26 & 0....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 07, 12:27 AM 2018
One more idea :D
=============================
Track four unique singles. 
Qualifier is two High and two Low singles

Example: 12,34,36,10 (qualifier)

Bet those four unique singles once:    1.) 0(x)-4

Bet the five unique singles once:         2.) 13(x)-5

Bet the six uniques singles once....

If eight unique singles miss restart qualifier with new uniques.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Let Me Win on Dec 07, 12:37 AM 2018
Why 'track'?

Each spin is an independent event and the wheel has no memory.  Right?

So what possible benifit or purpose could be gained by 'tracking'.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 07, 12:41 AM 2018
I'm noticing a (very short-term) consistent hit-rate with tracking that pattern.

*also jotting down notes on ideas (not to be taken too seriously)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Let Me Win on Dec 07, 12:45 AM 2018
When people say they can see patterns in random data it is the same as when people say they can see faces of evil spirits in the smoke clouds after 9/11

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 07, 12:46 AM 2018
Stop trolling me!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Let Me Win on Dec 07, 12:49 AM 2018
I'm not, I'm telling you the truth.
Nor am I charging you $25 via PayPal for it either!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 07, 01:01 AM 2018
Chaos Theory look it up
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Let Me Win on Dec 07, 02:21 AM 2018
Roullete has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with 'chaos theory' as the conditions in which the ball is spun remain constant on each spin.

Better that you look up 'the law of independent trials'instead.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 07, 03:54 AM 2018
Where are you ideas for Vaddi's system?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 09, 09:41 AM 2018
One more shot at this.

Track the last consecutive six unique singles.

Bet those six once.  If win (and in profit) end session.

If miss bet the seven unique singles
once.  If win (and in profit) end session.

If miss bet the eight unique singles once.

If miss bet the nine unique singles once.

If miss restart with the last six
consecutive unique singles and repeat steps.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 12, 07:45 PM 2018
Alright here's another look to consider:

Remember the parings list?

Here is the newest outcome: #3

Bet #3, #4 and the three neighbors around #4 once.

#3, 32,15,19,4,21,2,25 (European Wheel)

#3, 14,35,23,4,16,33,21 (American Wheel)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 16, 10:27 AM 2018
Hi, Missing 1%?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 16, 10:30 AM 2018
24/8=3, 12/4=3,, this is average as per law of third, what about if system deviate from this, and as roulette is based on balance, so can exploit future outcomes , isnt it?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 18, 10:19 PM 2018
Average results using vaadi system in online casino
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 18, 10:48 PM 2018
It dawns on me just now Vaddi may
only be playing three singles per game.

Last decision, numerically one higher and one lower
than last decision once, repeat with the newest outcome.

Stop on a win or after 12 consecutive misses.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 18, 10:50 PM 2018
Average results using vaadi system in online casino

How did you interprete Vaddi's explanations?  How did you play?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 18, 11:09 PM 2018
It dawns on me just now Vaddi may
only be playing three singles per game.

Last decision, numerically one higher and one lower
than last decision once, repeat with the newest outcome.

Stop on a win or after 12 consecutive misses.

Although he started with his Step1 then kept the mystery about the step2 with pairs, splits,...

Are you refering to this step2 or would you say he changed his mind with time, in such a way that in the end his ideas were not as when he began his thread?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 18, 11:19 PM 2018
8 recent number bet. If sigle more than double than partner bet.also.. I again reread his clues and found. Pairing should be based on recent 4 numbers..so I guess. Pairing number will change after 4 spins.. Based on recent 4  results...will check this way too..  But it seems. System has worth
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 18, 11:44 PM 2018
Although he started with his Step1 then kept the mystery about the step2 with pairs, splits,...

Are you refering to this step2 or would you say he changed his mind with time, in such a way that in the end his ideas were not as when he began his thread?

Looking at step two and his bankroll requirement 12x (number of singles played)

I'm also looking at the first number to repeat in a session and betting those three
(the repeat single, the single numerically ahead LD and numerically one lower for up to 12 spins.

Ex: 20,35,14,3,0,27,20 (newest spin-value)

Bet 19,20,21 for up to 12 spins. (stop on a win)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 18, 11:55 PM 2018
To answer your question I'm still stuck about the step 2 mystery.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 19, 12:10 AM 2018
atm what seem to work is betting the newest twice-hit repeater within 12 spins-
(with a single numerically higher of LD and one numerically lower has a hit rate  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 12:26 AM 2018
Ex: 20,35,14,3,0,27,20 (newest spin-value)

Bet 19,20,21 for up to 12 spins. (stop on a win)    proof read.. So total how many numbers u betting... Pairing  or  splitting will b effective if singles more than double are coming... And possible stage for  this situation is middle of cycle etc
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 19, 12:31 AM 2018
I'm thinking a three singles bet atm.  (speculation)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 19, 12:37 AM 2018
One more thing.  In 24 consecutive spins
I've noticed usually 3 to 5 repeaters emerge.

It could be six or nine singles bet with the
numerically higher and lower bets added to the repeaters.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 01:59 AM 2018
I guess splitting or pairing should not be on sleepers..
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 19, 02:10 AM 2018
If it produces a consistent hit rate then  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 19, 02:14 AM 2018
One more thing.  In 24 consecutive spins
I've noticed usually 3 to 5 repeaters emerge.

Hi Proof
From the time tables.

Spins 1-10, 76% of the time its a 9/10; so 1 repeat.
Spins 11-20; it should really be 5 non-hit and 5 repeats, but it usually comes 7 non-hit and must be 3 repeat.

So your on the right track as more often than not by 20th spin there's 4 repeats.

Repeats; 1-3-5-7 and 30 by the 60th spin
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 19, 02:18 AM 2018
xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18931.0
There's some sheets showing the repeats.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 02:46 AM 2018
I wonder why casino will change rules. Based on what have been extracted till now from clues...seems something missing... Missing like counting  in blackjack gave players edge. Which situation can give player  edge in roulette and force casino to change game rules  as  per VAD.or it was just his assumption..he gave clues only and kept actual solution secret . Seems some reason there....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 19, 02:55 AM 2018
Got an idea.

Track 10 unique singles.  Bet the newest seven (change bet each spin)
for up to five spins.  Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 19, 03:05 AM 2018
Proof
here's todays air ball from J247
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/12/19/source.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/O5D7B)

So here's the offering from someone who according to one of the forum experts is deluded.

You arrived at the table and won repeat betting 5#'s.
Let's assume you arrived 10 spins later, so spin 11 is now your spin 1; win repeat with 3#'s.
And on it goes, on and on; and on and on.

Just like this Davey Libra

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/12/19/source5e799.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/O5Nz9)

So you see the 1st 10 spin's; i'll say no more and get back up into the ivory tower
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 03:36 AM 2018
This point I copied from VAD system.

The inside numbers constantly 'try' to balance with each other in a sort of uniform dance. And there are ways to temporarily exploit the imbalances.From time to time,
There are ways to temporarily exploit ..... I think this is something to consider how to exploit imbalances
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 19, 03:41 AM 2018
This was after 12:30am; on the praised MPR, the Generals nothing can beat it.
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/12/19/source50396.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/O5Ikl)

So Random.org gave 10L-10L But i wanted to pass the 59000 unit mark on the leaderboard and keep old Normy behind.

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/12/19/source879ad.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/O5mwc)

(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/12/19/source4a3bf.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/O5rda)

It can be done. Cough
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 04:00 AM 2018
 Using  VAD system clues. I don't see  any threat to casino i. But still he thinks... Game rule can change..... And another. Point.... Solution is simple to understand and play..... Contrary arguments also..... Like  his system not worth to play > 200 spins... Not good for online or rng.... Still he claims game rules can change if he reveal solution.... :-\
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 04:16 AM 2018

 Using  VAD system clues. I don't see  any threat to casino i. But still he thinks... Game rule can change......... Contrary arguments also..... Like  his system not worth to play > 200 spins... Not good for online or rng.... Still he claims game rules can change if he reveal solution.... :
At one point he mention in grail no need to analyse or think and then he again mention he use imbalances  to exploit... Without tracking and calculating how can know imbalance...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 04:25 AM 2018
Seems initial results gave him good profit and in excitement. He extra believe in his solution... But all spins in front of us... No perfect way ...yes for long term and with heavy bankroll. Playing 8 nos.or repeaters can may be successful... But again his thought of best profit range.... Seems contrary.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 05:09 AM 2018
Using six nos.means one line bet.. One guy able to win 200000 USD just a year playing on RNG and playing same six numbes. You tube all videos. Charles king... Another baccarat player Jaysilva able to win 1200000 USD just playing player banker....they didn't put their system secret..Not sure what VAD intention.... I m thinking to just add repeaters in my playing only if they start coming... In bulk...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 05:27 AM 2018
From his post I can see just to tell how many numbers to bet. He created so much thrill and.  And called it secret no.  Greater than 6 less than 9.. Etc.... I not know what reason.. Even though it will not impact anyone... May b things are not  as much as we  considering... Seems he spent lot of effort to conclude. 8 no. To  bet on....  Even though statistics for each no. Are given  online long time back.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 19, 05:35 AM 2018
Even though statistics for each no. Are given  online long time back.

where are these statistics
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 07:46 AM 2018
xs://x.google.com/amp/s/scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2011/05/26/on-beating-roulette-part-1/amp/       there is paper 4. Idea is same... Moreover 9 bet system on predicted sector quiet old too
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 07:58 AM 2018
VAD system calculated 8 numbers.  Keeping if win at 8   ..with ..1.2  sequence  then 8  bet will break even. But what about if win at 9 or later spin.....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 19, 08:19 AM 2018
But what about if win at 9 or later spin.....
You all know 9#'s is -9 and 10#'s will be -19

I use 3 ways for repeats; and i think most know of them.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 08:20 AM 2018
He said... Rules will b change if he gave solution. As it happend to black jack...but Black jack is not random game like roulette... And it's not in control of dealer.. So there casino change rule. But in roulette dealer spins wherever he wants.. It's always in their control there is no point law of third will  impact on casino.
.In his system key is balance which is based on law of third.. He use this to exploit... Temporarily it can but long-term cannot without huge bank roll....atlast ball is controlled by dealer... VAD system is worth playing in proper conditions.. But can it b holy grail..am not certain
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 19, 08:24 AM 2018
I agree with the general LOTT is not of much use; ok, so 24 is average.
But where do they hit?
Again and again you need a time-table for non-hit
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 08:25 AM 2018
Idea of betting on 8 unique number is also old... Published in holy grail of roulette book. Only difference VAD and that system is that there it says to bet all coming numbers until win. But VAD replace old no. With new one.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 08:34 AM 2018
There is one android app free. Jmap roulette predictor.. That predit 5 no. That is worth to consider... How it predict 5 numbers.. Inventor also studied thousand of spins and most dominant patterns.  He took one no. Like that... And another system partner no. Bet... U can view in YouTube  under roulette boy name. .worth to consider too
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 08:41 AM 2018
24 numbers.. Where they hit... ¿  I guess one number to repeat in live roulette...probability is if single drop numbers  are close to eachyother on roulette wheel.. Then  more chance any one of them repeat... So it depends on dealer which sector at what time he chooses during one cycle.. My observation is in online live roulette during 32 spins which one dealer do approximately.. Spun each pattern... Opposite neighbour... Right left..etc. With careful observation.. Can predict... Track topper wining ..if any sector more winner.. Dealer defiantly change.. Etc
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 08:51 AM 2018
Dealers are expert.. They can spun ball wherever they want... And creates patterns to loose.. Different patterns.. So no statics system successful.... Law of third can be used.. But it will be successful always.. Doubtful
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 19, 08:55 AM 2018
just had these on MPR; betting for repeats. +367 on 28 placed bets.

There was a nasty section. But what do you know; profit.
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/12/19/sourced5eaf.png) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/OGOFr)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 09:07 AM 2018
Dealer cannot change current pattern without changing ball speed or router speed...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 09:09 AM 2018
Yes good pickup.... Of no.  😇
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 09:20 AM 2018
NOTTOPHAMMER; many repeats but I not see perfect partners .when repeats occur in narrow range.... I assume dealer hitting particular sector that time.....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 09:39 AM 2018
@NOTTOPHAMMER.....in case if no repeaters, or repeaters length is greater than 8 what you will do ?  Will it be with progression cycle by cycle until hit?


Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Person S on Dec 19, 11:42 AM 2018
xs://giphy.com/gifs/88iJdPlt5jdkfIoP1j/fullscreen
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Dec 19, 11:57 AM 2018
Will it be with progression

Yes
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 09:15 PM 2018
Your magic no. Is¿ 15
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 11:16 PM 2018
Based on VAD clue. Seems he using 2 units on doubles..... And one on singles
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 19, 11:20 PM 2018
Player advantage last no. Seems 17
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 20, 08:06 AM 2018
Here is free site for roulette software(no registration or fees)
,(AlarianGUTracker will help in tracking repeater singles, doubles etc)
xs://real-free.ru/programs-for-playing-casino-in-roulette

Free books
xs://x.pdfdrive.com/roulette-books.html
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Dec 20, 10:51 AM 2018
informative guide for  repeater system and strategies


xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/downloads/files/the_law_of_the_third.pdf
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 10:58 AM 2018
I did enjoy the Sun Tzu quotes when I first read this document!

The attack scheme works fine until it doesn't.
The tracking is shorter with splits than with stright-ups, though.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 09:41 PM 2018
Been testing real quick the following:
Considering the pair37 idea, I thought: sometimes the nr will repeat, sometimes the other nr in the pair will.
So I let the first spins go by until a pair shows or a nr repeats.  Kept playing the "mode" until it would change.

So if playing for repeaters and a pair hits, restart with the previous nr's pair nr.  Kind of a "follow the wheel mode".

Good first test. 
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/12/20/sourcef5c7e.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/OsP8L)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 10:01 PM 2018
Or when pairs start to hit, play the pairs too?

Vaddi, where are you?  Have a few question for you.
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/12/21/source.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/OsjlS)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Ricky on Dec 21, 01:30 AM 2018
Or when pairs start to hit, play the pairs too?
Hi Bigbroben,

you are on the right track.  :thumbsup:

Its all about the balance.

Listen to what the wheel is saying. It speaks load and clear. Adjust your play accordingly.

Cheers,
Ricky
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: -Katalyst- on Dec 21, 03:00 AM 2018
Well said Ricky  - it's not Mumbojumbo - couldn't agree more  :thumbsup:
- even though there is greater variance with inside bets - this is where one can profit handsomely from the game ....consistently
**one needs to be dynamic with their system - not mechanical

-Best Wishes-
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 21, 03:03 AM 2018
One more shot :)

Bet the newest Odd single, the one number numerically less
and the newest Even single-also one number numerically less once.

Repeat steps with each new spin-value.

Stop on a win or after nine consecutive misses.

Example: 31,10,12,0,14 (newest outcome)

Bet 14,13 & 31,30 once:    1.) 3(x)-4

Bet 3,2 & 14,13 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Let Me Win on Dec 21, 03:10 AM 2018
 Anyone taking this thread seriously needs to have their head examined.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Steve on Dec 21, 03:20 AM 2018
I just dont understand why people dont learn to code rx and test properly with a click. You'll save loads of time, and better understand youve been going in circles.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 21, 06:13 AM 2018
We know, Steve,  but it's also fun to do it this way.  Keeps the dream longer.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 21, 07:55 AM 2018
Anyone taking this thread seriously needs to have their head examined.

Thanks for your contribution.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 21, 07:56 AM 2018
you are on the right track.  :thumbsup:
Its all about the balance.

Ricky, thanks for the encouragement.

How far are your down the track?  Any other ideas you might want to share?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 21, 08:00 AM 2018
**one needs to be dynamic with their system - not mechanical

Indeed, I think any fixed, stiff, mechanical approach to roulette systems will fail.  A sensitive and adaptative subjective play might help to overcome negative variance.  When to continue, when to stop.... decided on impression rather than pure maths.

Guts beat a math game?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Dec 22, 08:00 PM 2018
Well for a first test!

Place 1u on the 2 neighbours numerically +1 & -1.  Add and reset on new high.

Was it you, Proof, who suggested something in this sense?

Mmmmhh...
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/12/22/source58c90.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/OTRio)

Nothing wrong with these nr distribution.
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2018/12/22/sourced203e.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/OTbrH)


Still seeking.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 22, 10:14 PM 2018
I have some time just now.  Lemme try :)
==============================
Note the newest outcome.  Is it Red or Black?

If Red bet the last three Red outcomes and one
numerically less respectively (Black vice-versa) and zero once.

...,20,26,12,35,14,9,3 (newest spin-value)

Bet 3,2: 9,8: 14,13,0:    1.) 31(x)-7

Bet 31,30: 35,34: 26,25,0....

Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 24, 02:01 AM 2018
New four number approach:

Note the newest four outcomes:

Bet the respective numerically higher number of
those four once.  Repeat steps with the newest four.

Stop on a win or after nine consecutive misses.

Example: 21,30,0,14 (newest spin-value)

Bet 22,31,1,15 once:    1.) 19(x)-4

Bet 31,1,15,20....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 26, 02:35 AM 2018
"Vaddi's Streets" :)
==============================
Bankroll suggestion: 12 units per session

Procedure: Note the newest spin-value.

Bet the last decision street *unless it is a third column
outcome.  In that case bet the next higher street once.

Example: #31 (newest spin-value)

Bet s31-33 once:    1.) 21(x)-1

Bet s22-24 once....

*If case zero shows bet s1-3 once.

*Also If #36 shows wait one spin for the next outcome.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 01, 10:58 PM 2019
after analyzing spins , found that  last draw number square , usually hits.
keeping that in mind may be optimized game play//
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 01, 11:12 PM 2019
i guess , VAD, found a simple way than he shared. analysed last two numbers draw ,their square numbers, hits frequently(exclude 0)

23,6,[24],26,0,22,[30],19,33,27,12,28,7,[7],13,34,25,1,21,28,[24]...........
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 02, 10:59 AM 2019
So you are talking about the squares on the table? Are you changing your bet every spin? So last two spins were

11
20

You bet 8,9,11,12 and 20,21,23,24 for one spin?
If loss, drop the 20 and add the next square?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: daveylibra on Jan 02, 02:11 PM 2019
In which case we would be betting 8 numbers per spin. Would we not have to win on average every 4.5 times to break even?  Which we don't achieve in the example...  so not impressed.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 03, 02:15 AM 2019
I have some time just now so here is a new tactic.  :)
==============================
Note the newest two Red and Black outcomes. 

Bet those two Red or two Black numbers
and their High/Low same column counterparts once. 

Repeat steps with the newest two Reds or Blacks.

Example: 21,31,5,17 (newest outcome)

Bet 17,20 & 31,4 once:  1.) 3(x)-4

Bet 3,36 & 5,32 once....

*Repeat last bet if zero shows
Stop on a win or after nine consecutive misses.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 03, 07:07 AM 2019
I m seeing some light in dark.VAD is genius  .magic number is for sure not 8
@ProofRead
instead of 36 ,try  12 numbers on a paper with 3 sets ,like 1,2,3,4 in one set, and so on, apply law of third and see how to manage balance.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 03, 07:20 AM 2019
So you are talking about the squares on the table? Are you changing your bet every spin? So last two spins were

11
20

You bet 8,9,11,12 and 20,21,23,24 for one spin?
If loss, drop the 20 and add the next square?

Yes i change..but  it was just my thought, and I realized now  may be its not long term solution..but some how can benefit in short term
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 03, 08:32 AM 2019
may be its not long term solution..but some how can benefit in short term

This is true for all methods.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: celescliff on Jan 03, 09:57 AM 2019
Really, there is no such thing as short term.

Every spin you play wether you divide the spins you play into smaller sessions or whatever, the spins you play with your system will all still belong in one long term session no matter what.

It will not make a difference.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Jan 03, 11:06 AM 2019
CELESCLIFF  you're wrong! what makes you think that?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Let Me Win on Jan 03, 11:27 AM 2019
No, he is not wrong.

It's not open to debate or argument.
It is a stone cold fact.

If YOU don't agree then the problem is YOUR chimpanzee level of intelligence.

Every maths teacher at every school in every country would all spit in your face with utter contempt should they hear you disagree in person.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Jan 03, 11:44 AM 2019
please confirm your words with mathematical facts! and do not knock on the keyboard as one of the monkeys who are forced to do it in the hope that they will copy one of the great books!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: celescliff on Jan 03, 12:05 PM 2019
evs, perhaps you can explain why we are wrong about that instead?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Jan 03, 12:41 PM 2019
I can! but first correctly formulate it and publish it on one of the mathematical forums. after receiving your reply, please send it here. Maybe someone will be ashamed. Don't be afraid to waste time looking for the right answers. Don't be lazy!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: celescliff on Jan 03, 12:58 PM 2019
I can! but first correctly formulate it and publish it on one of the mathematical forums. after receiving your reply, please send it here. Maybe someone will be ashamed. Don't be afraid to waste time looking for the right answers. Don't be lazy!

Why not do that yourself? The only one that will be ashamed is you.

Why should i waste my time when i know I'm right?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Jan 03, 01:08 PM 2019
CELESCLIFF  you're wrong! what makes you think that?
You behave incorrectly I asked the first question! Give an explanation as you understand. Then I will.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Let Me Win on Jan 03, 01:25 PM 2019
1) entry and or exit points are completely useless, the math doesn't change regardless of when you start or stop.

1a) "triggers" on when to bet are useless. (see above)

2) changing tables, changing casinos is useless, it's a math game.

3) Hit and run (basically all of the above combined) is useless.
The run from hell or the amazing run from heaven where you win every spin can happen as soon as you stop playing.
You HAVE to formulate a way to play every spin.

4) Past spins are useless - each spin is independent. This doesn't mean much unless you are tracking spins, waiting for x,y and/or z to happen before you start playing. Which you shouldn't be doing.

Analogy - a scientist is going into a room flooded with radiation.
According to this way of thinking - you can jump in the room and then jump out 30 seconds later and you'll likely be ok.
You can do this once per day for months......... and you'll die.

Another scientist goes into the same room and stays there - he dies. Yep, doesn't really matter - one dies sooner than the other but the end result is that they are both dead.

Prolonging the event doesn't stop it from happening - and it doesn't make the time spent waiting for it to happen because you popped in and out of the room any less appealing.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Jan 03, 01:40 PM 2019
1) entry and or exit points are completely useless, the math doesn't change regardless of when you start or stop.

1a) "triggers" on when to bet are useless. (see above)

2) changing tables, changing casinos is useless, it's a math game.

3) Hit and run (basically all of the above combined) is useless.
The run from hell or the amazing run from heaven where you win every spin can happen as soon as you stop playing.
You HAVE to formulate a way to play every spin.

4) Past spins are useless - each spin is independent. This doesn't mean much unless you are tracking spins, waiting for x,y and/or z to happen before you start playing. Which you shouldn't be doing.

Analogy - a scientist is going into a room flooded with radiation.
According to this way of thinking - you can jump in the room and then jump out 30 seconds later and you'll likely be ok.
You can do this once per day for months......... and you'll die.

Another scientist goes into the same room and stays there - he dies. Yep, doesn't really matter - one dies sooner than the other but the end result is that they are both dead.

Prolonging the event doesn't stop it from happening - and it doesn't make the time spent waiting for it to happen because you popped in and out of the room any less appealing.

Almost all agree with you !
But the connection to the whole already implies the past!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: celescliff on Jan 03, 01:45 PM 2019
evs, learn a programming language or atleast learn rx and code your system.

Get a bunch of spins and first run all the spins in one long term session.

Next, run there same spins again but this time use a win and stop loss and add one to each session you won and lost.

Now look and compare the result in the statictics and look at the net %.

What do you think the result will be and why?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: evs on Jan 03, 02:08 PM 2019
Difficulties with the translation!
As I understand it:
1)Generate a random sequence (0;1)
2)We divide the random sequence into parts (some of which we can throw out and insert similar ones from another random sequence)
Am I right?
ANSWER: the ratio (0) and (1) will not change.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 03, 02:11 PM 2019
@ProofRead
instead of 36 ,try  12 numbers on a paper with 3 sets ,like 1,2,3,4 in one set, and so on, apply law of third and see how to manage balance.

Turns out your suggestion is a good idea  :thumbsup:
==============================
Procedure: Separate the table into numerical sets of four:

A.) 1,2,3,4                        B.) 5,6,7,8                       C.) 9,10,11,12

D.) 13,14,15,16               E.) 17,18,19,20               F.) 21,22,23,24

G.) 25,26,27,28               H.) 29,30,31,32               I.) 33,34,35,36
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note the last non-zero outcome,  Bet the four
number group containing the LD number once.

Example: #30 (newest spin-value)

Bet H.) (29,30,31,32) once:    1.) 13(x)-4

Bet D.) (13,14,15,16) once....

*If zero shows re-bet the last bet
Stop on a win or after nine consecutive misses.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: benis71 on Jan 03, 02:33 PM 2019
Proof,this is your Holy Grail? ::)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 03, 02:41 PM 2019
Nope.  Just looking at Elite's idea
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 03, 10:29 PM 2019
I m seeing some light in dark.VAD is genius  .magic number is for sure not 8


I am open to discussion!  Why not 8 as the magic nr?

How did you get to this opinion?

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 04, 10:38 AM 2019
Vaadi Explains all his system ,  only thing he hide is how to select numbers..
he gave clue for this  , balance, perfect pair etc, only missing is this.as from, different blogs , i found very few persons who claim they are consistently wining every session so i do believe there is a way to be a consistent winner.for us to figure out is how to select numbers, once found that simple formula,  then leave a clue and start life in roulette .
Vaadi explained , within 25 spins, he mostly gets profit and formula for that is very simple even a child can. almost similar comment i found in another forum where that  Gentleman claims he has grail and he only give this to his daughter ....Balance and partner number selection, how we can, there is a simple forumula, need to found,
i m thinking this way, is 1 will be balance with 2 or with 36, 2 will b balance with 3 or with 34, which stage in a game should i b on same numbers to be repeated( i dont think so this is part of grail as per vaadi , there is no need for calculation pen or paper ), , i m analysing one chart, magic square of moon, i dont think so , there will be more balance chart then that in world ever,, worth to see.
My idea of  12 numbers was, so that we can analyse small numbers samples and can better use  that sample to figure out perfect balance, once figure out , then that formula can be applied  37 numbers to further conform.


 
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 04, 10:48 AM 2019
as per VaaD , magic number is greater than 6 and less than 9 ... as we know he only giving clues so may be it can be 9-6 =3 magic number  or it can be 6 or 9..

but i guess, magic number changes along with game, but basic rule is total numbers to bet should not exceed 9. and as PER VAD , it should not be too low, so perfect number , i guess is to bet on 6,7,8,9 , all these i guess will give profit ,,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 04, 10:56 AM 2019
one correction, its magic square of sun,

how Vaadi , discover his method.analysing thousands of spins and manual testing, then using that info he brainstorm and devise methods  and atlast he devised method one day.
we are using his clues only to figure it out, so may be not successfull, path already he giving, if we follow same path, i hope we can get that, if it exits
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 04, 11:44 AM 2019
He says 24/8=3 
               12/4=3

24 numbers land

12 doubles land

2/1 ratio

That's the basis of the grail. His words.




Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 04, 01:44 PM 2019
one correction, its magic square of sun,


Is this a translation mistake or you really mean ''magic square of sun''?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Let Me Win on Jan 04, 02:40 PM 2019
He really means it  :sad2:

It's a well known voodoo bullsh!t
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 04, 09:12 PM 2019
He says 24/8=3 
               12/4=3

24 numbers land

12 doubles land

2/1 ratio

That's the basis of the grail. His words.

yes  ..but one point , he mentioned , in grail no need for pen or paper or any calculation..above is possible only, if we tracking every number and that cannot b without any software or pen or paper,i guess he flows with game..if single dropping, he is on unique numbrs , when double dropped , he change his game and include last dropping numbers too.  etc, so i guess basis of grail is you do whatever wheel is doing,this he also mentioned in his way of playing.. impressive technique he discoverd is no progression, so his method has more accuracy with less than 9 numbers playing, so it means, if play on 9 numbers then hit should b within 3 spins avg, so he is always close to next dropping numbers, for that he has simple formula, which a child can learn within 5 minutes..
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 04, 09:25 PM 2019
wht he given is a puzzle, and to get actual formula, unite each piece  one by one, ..
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 04, 09:30 PM 2019
Sergio has given one chart based on 185 numbers, played, he claimed he played exactly same as  per VAD system. so any one can decode that graph playing on same numbers , in RX extreme. that i m trying.If any one got success in predicting, then for benefit of others, put clue here before muting on this forum
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 04, 10:13 PM 2019
He said it all has to do with the last 4 spins. I take that to mean in the last 4 numbers out there is some connection in the next 8 numbers that appear next. The question is are you picking your numbers based on the table or the wheel? I think it's the wheel.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 04, 10:57 PM 2019
He said it all has to do with the last 4 spins. I take that to mean in the last 4 numbers out there is some connection in the next 8 numbers that appear next. The question is are you picking your numbers based on the table or the wheel? I think it's the wheel.

yes , seems like that, one VAD quote, if dealer signature then he laughs and takes his bank,, agree, latest 4 spins,seems like having connection with future spins..he mentioned, in real play, 15,15, 9, 15  etc, means current number repeat  happens as compared to RNG and also , one more point he added, if dealer plays completely random still he has edge, means, he putting some bets on random way too.

all this he achieved with a simple formula,  so i hope formula can be in such a way, that it selects numbers keeping in latest 4 spins, then predict one next number, and so on
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 04, 11:52 PM 2019
There is this method on the web where, with a formula, it calculates the ''volatility'' of last 4 nrs to predict the next one.  I don't know how reliable it is ( I suppose it is pink slime) but hey, why not?

I did not spend time on it, but here, attached, in case someone was interested.  Of course, it is not Vaddi, for this one here needs a computer for sure to calculate!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 05, 12:00 AM 2019
There is this method on the web where, with a formula, it calculates the ''volatility'' of last 4 nrs to predict the next one.  I don't know how reliable it is ( I suppose it is pink slime) but hey, why not?

I did not spend time on it, but here, attached, in case someone was interested.  Of course, it is not Vaddi, for this one here needs a computer for sure to calculate!

I already tried this, not working,
 
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 05, 12:05 AM 2019
as per VAD  , if there are no repeats within magic number,(may b 4 is magic number).
then he calculate based on these 4 numbers 4 more numbers and bet on 8 numbers togehter then , 4 numbers latest drawn and 4  calculated numbers, this way system can be balance, to capture doubles and to capture singles .. i guess.

for predicting next number , he said partner number on table, but as we know it not works, so my guess is he calculates partner number for each number  separately with a simple formula . within only playing last draw 8 numbers, it fails in long term. so magic lies in his predicting number formula, 4 numbers, form latest 4 draw numbers, i guess
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 05, 12:28 AM 2019
I have a moment just now, so here a new idea  ^-^
==============================
Separate streets into four sets of three:

s1-3, s4-6, s7-9:    s10-12, s13-15, s16-18

s19-21, s22-24, s25-27:  s28-30, s31-33, s34-36
------------------------------------------------------------------
Procedure: Note the newest non-zero spin-value.  Bet the
other two streets in the respective group and a chip on zero once.

Repeat steps with the newest spin-value.
Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: #23 (newest spin-value)

Bet 19,20,21         25,26,27,0:    1.) 10(x)-7

Bet 13,14,15         16,17,18,0....

*In case of the American wheel bet one chip on the 0/00 split.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 05, 05:40 AM 2019
Just woke up with this one :)
==============================
Last Four decisions & clockwise one neighbor

Note the newest four outcomes.
Bet those four and one neighbor clockwise

Example: 13,9,20,2 (newest spin-value)

(European Wheel: Bet 13,36:    9,22:   20,14:    2,25:    1.) 0(x)-8

Bet 9,22:      20,14:    2,25:    0,32....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Winner on Jan 05, 08:25 AM 2019
Why not think in terms of 12 numbers .in over millions of spins it is fact that one dozen will have min of 4 repeats .ex I would play the first dozen , you could choose which ever. And play the new numbers as they come in and up your flat bet on all repeats.within that dozen.just an idea.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: foreverBOB on Jan 05, 08:56 AM 2019
Correction winner: in a 37 cycle one dozen will have at least 2 repeats, not 4
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 05, 09:45 AM 2019
Why not think in terms of 12 numbers .in over millions of spins it is fact that one dozen will have min of 4 repeats .ex I would play the first dozen , you could choose which ever. And play the new numbers as they come in and up your flat bet on all repeats.within that dozen.just an idea.

I actually think this is a very good thought. Instead of focusing on all numbers. Just bet on all the numbers that have apppeared in one dozen.

Another thought is to play the neighbors on each repeater once a number has repeated.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 05, 10:18 AM 2019
i guess, VAD , system, is law of third.playing on 37 numbers house edge is 2.70.
but if we play in 37 spins only 24 numbers , 10 repeaters , and may be one or two comes 3 times and to get this he manage a bet sequence( i think this betting pattern is the key , which is somehow threating )...
So if someone can figure out how to place bets in such a way, that  after 37 spins, if 10 repeaters comes, at any stage no matter, but he will get benefit, because he touch only 24 numbers.he gave a clue at the end of his thread, 2 chips on doubles or 1 chip on doubles or half a chip .option 2 and 3 will make u smile, means, on doubles, as i understand it will b, 2 chips on singles, one chip on doubles, that i guess..so if progress until 37 spins,toucing 24 numbers only, may b this way, any one can suggest
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 05, 10:35 AM 2019
to increase accuracy he mentioned wait until no doubles in your magic number, suppose its 8 magic number, then we left with 31 spins, to play, out of 31, spins, now only 16 new number will come, so we will loose 16 times, and we will win 15 times, so with little progression, every 37 spin cycle if it get close to law of third, we can be always be in  profit, and we got Holy grail then i guess, because we always win in 37 spin cycle. suppose if first cycle, got imbalanced, then start 2nd cycle . so if law of third exists , which is mathematically proven fact, then for sure will be in profit, so only thing i can see, we need to manage bets in such a way, that if we loose 16 times, and win, 15 times in 37 cycle we will be in profit,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 05, 10:42 AM 2019
By the way:

golden ratio (Phi): 1.618034...

37/Phi: 22.86, rounded to 23. 
Could be another proportion to start with, since it is close to 2/3rds of 37, but not quite.

More accurate?

Just an idea...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 05, 10:45 AM 2019
another thought, in real gameplay i noticed, that if doubles are not dropping then singles can go until 16 spins, so if we weight until first doubles hit > magic number selected e.g 8 magic number.
then start betting on all numbers , singles doubles(with half value chip).
may be that way accuracy can be improved more.and as we reach target profit  for that cycle  stop that cycle.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 05, 11:03 AM 2019
below quote from roulette passion(who claims he has vaadi holy grail)
24 single -12 repeated - 13 without leaving.
Here is a tremendous balance and you have to see it.
I want you to get it, man.

It has two phases of balance, I can not say anything else.

my analysis on this  is
two phases of balance, ::
first phase single must need to drop ,
2nd phase  repeater.
this way only one cycle can be balance

to catch, singles, pairing concept, that i guess, is the conclusion of vaadi system..

but if prolong to 2nd cycle connected with first cycle, then  a way to catch sleepers who are going to turn in singles, that i guess, is with pairing concept too, e.g 1 and 2 drop, then possible sleeper no 3 is going to turn into singles in next cycle, etc
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 05, 11:25 AM 2019
I think the pairs are two numbers that are side by side on a wheel. A pair of numbers. Once you get a pair that has hit, no matter now many spins apart in the cycle, you bet on those two numbers. Would this fall into law of the third?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Winner on Jan 05, 11:44 AM 2019
I actually think this is a very good thought. Instead of focusing on all numbers. Just bet on all the numbers that have apppeared in one dozen.

Another thought is to play the neighbors on each repeater once a number has repeated.
Don’t get caught in dealing with all the numbers concentrate on one section probability is all the same .i did this years agowith  a guy named AMK we did tons of research on this ,one dozen that’s all you need .test it you’ll see
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 05, 04:05 PM 2019
I think the pairs are two numbers that are side by side on a wheel. A pair of numbers. Once you get a pair that has hit, no matter now many spins apart in the cycle, you bet on those two numbers. Would this fall into law of the third?

I think you're on to something with the neighbors-when three
contiguous neighbors have two hits bet all three for a third hit.

Ex: 0,32,15 (European wheel)-0 hits, then 15
(whichever set of three hits then bet all three for 12 spins.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 05, 09:03 PM 2019
Or so:

Although rng, no real wheel.  Once 3 neighbours hit since the beginning of the  cycle, play them? Add as they come or reset at nh?

Below, a quick test, no reset, add the blocks of 3 as they come:
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2019/01/05/sourcea8e30.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/O1Ne1)
(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2019/01/05/source32432.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/O1pa5)(http://x://x.pichost.org/images/2019/01/05/source13aaf.jpg) (http://x://x.pichost.org/image/O1uir)
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Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 05, 10:49 PM 2019
Thanks again Bigbroben  :thumbsup:

I tested it manually and I get the same results-
-BUT-

It's not playable unless the bettor is
very knowledgable of wheel neighbors.

Vaddi's system must be simplier to implement.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 06, 12:02 AM 2019
Yes, it must be simpler.
It can of course be modified to a shorter window, say 8 or 12 spins.  If 3 neighbours, or if only 2, or if a repeat in 8, or a repeat and a neighbour in 12...

Did 2 more, got +77 and -199 if I kept all eligible nrs until end of the 37 spins.  Overall positive but I have the feeling it's not quite it.  Perhaps indeed a reset on a new high or on first hit.
Or of course play step1, and then this method, in case of failure of step1...
For step1 can get a long way until it busts, then it's only a 36u deficit to overcome.  Restart at step1 if no new high in 37 spins?

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 06, 03:42 AM 2019
i have put some thougts on MODI system in below thead,
almost i hope i decoded.one 1% missing, hope any one of you can better  check that and give his thoughts...
 
xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20356.new#new
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: stringbeanpc on Jan 06, 05:22 AM 2019
I think you're on to something with the neighbors-when three
contiguous neighbors have two hits bet all three for a third hit.

Ex: 0,32,15 (European wheel)-0 hits, then 15
(whichever set of three hits then bet all three for 12 spins.

Proofreaders2000, thanks for the idea.
After reviewing recent live spins from a b&m casino single 0 wheel, multiple wins with only one loss

Good results for this session but more testing required

18
36
21
18
14
29   start betting on 22,18,29
23
2
36   start betting on 27,13,36 or 13,36,11 or 27,13,36.11
13
14
11   win 27,13,36 or 13,36,11 or 27,13,36.11
33
31
0
1   
29   win 22,18,29
20   start betting 33,01,20 or 01,20,14 or 33,01,20,14
-- dealer change
25
3
29   
22   start betting on 22,18,29 again
5
4
0
18   win 22,18,29
18
29    start betting 22,18,29 or 18,29,07 or 22,18,29,07
27
24   lose 33,01,20
2
21   start betting on 04,21,02 or 21,02,25 or 04,21,02,25
31
13
23
32
22    win 22,18,29
16
21   win 04,21,02
21
14
20   start betting on 20,14,31 or 01,20,14 or 01,20,14,31
17
20   win 20,14,31
24
8
0
32   start betting on 26,0,32 or 0,32,15 or 26,0,32,15
31
15   win 0,32,15
-- dealer change
15
6
32
35
6
33
31
9
4
28
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 06, 05:23 AM 2019
There is this method on the web where, with a formula, it calculates the ''volatility'' of last 4 nrs to predict the next one.  I don't know how reliable it is ( I suppose it is pink slime) but hey, why not?

I did not spend time on it, but here, attached, in case someone was interested.  Of course, it is not Vaddi, for this one here needs a computer for sure to calculate!

Below code for this  calcluation,

 public int getOnePredictedNumber(List<Integer> inputNumbersArayInt) {
          if(inputNumbersArayInt.size()<5) {
          return  99;
          }else {
             int j=0;
             final int[] testnum= {0,0,0,0};
              for (int i = inputNumbersArayInt.size()-1; i >=inputNumbersArayInt.size()-4; i--) {
                
                 if(inputNumbersArayInt.get(i).equals(0)) {
                    testnum[j]=1;
                 }else {
                     
                    testnum[j]=inputNumbersArayInt.get(i);
                 }
                j++;
            }
              double f= (testnum[0]*(testnum[1]+testnum[2]))/(testnum[3]+1);
              if (f >0 && f<=36) {
                 return (int) Math.round(f);
              }else {
                
                 double ff= (f-(testnum[3]*testnum[3]))/(testnum[1]+testnum[2]);
                 return (int) Math.round(ff);
              }
          }
          
          
       }
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: stringbeanpc on Jan 06, 05:45 AM 2019
i have put some thougts on MODI system in below thead,
almost i hope i decoded.one 1% missing, hope any one of you can better  check that and give his thoughts...
xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20356.new#new

Elite, that is a good idea putting the numbers into groups
Perhaps when there is no repeat within 8 spins, determine the hot group(s) and play these groups.
It may require playing from eight to ten numbers.

Group1 RLO 01,03,05,07,09
Group2 BLE 02,04,06,08,10
Group3 RLE 12,14,16,18
Group4 BLO 11,13,15,17,
Group5 RHO 19,21,23,25,27
Group6 BHE 20,22,24,26,28
Group7 RHE 30,32,34,36
Group8 BHO 29,31,33,35

look at this test session from a live single 0 wheel

Number  Group
18   3
36   7
21   5
18   3   win

14   3
29   8
23   5
2   2
36   7
13   4
14   3   win

11   4
33   8
31   8
0   n/a
1   1
29   8
20   6
-- dealer change
25   5   lose
groups present 1, 4,5,6 and 8(three times)
groups missing 2, 3, 7

3   1
29   8
22   6
5   1
4   2
0   n/a
18   3
18   3   win

29   8
27   5
24   6
2   2
21   5
31   8
13   4
23   5   lose
groups present 2,4,5(three times),6,8(twice)
groups missing 1,3,7

32   7
22   6
16   3
21   5
21   5   win

14   3
20   6
17   4
20   6   win

24   6
8   2
0   n/a
32   7
31   8
15   4
-- dealer change
15   4   win

6   2
32   7
35   8
6   2   win

33   8
31   8
9   1
4   2
28   6   end of session
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 06, 07:22 AM 2019
I also posted in this in the MODI thread. In the original thread, notice the poster was only paying attention to the four number groups. He ignored the five number groups. Vaddi did say that the person who posted MODI had an understanding of how numbers connect to each other even thou he didn't know what MODI was.

 Maybe if one of the 4 number groups hit twice within 8 spins play those for 8 spins? I do think there is something to MODI. If you observe tables enough, the number groups DO cluster together very often. It's uncanny to be honest. Even the five number groupings. But he seems to be focusing on just the 4 number groups.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nichedelico on Jan 06, 07:58 AM 2019
Hello everyone guys,
I've always read the forum but never reply.
(Sorry for my english it's not my native language)
I don't know how to test a system automatically but only manually. So i leave here my idea of Vaddy, )but you know manually it's difficult to know if it's valid or not ) my goal every time (in fun mode) it's to take a 50 euro balance to the maximum with 10 cent in rng for a faster test and i play like this: 1 stage like always 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8. After the first stage i take the 2nd dozen as my reference, and playing only the pairs of the numbers hit on the 2nd dozen (with one chip on double and half on the pairs, so if i have a number on the center column, one chip on the number an two on the spilts for cover the pairs, if it's on the top or bottom column, two chip on double and one on pairs = 4 chips total per numbers only in the second dozen )  and continue at the same time to add the last number hit and cancel the last one (but not the numbers in the dozen! I leave them here for all the session). What do you think?
Thank you
Nico
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ignatus on Jan 06, 08:03 AM 2019
....hi everyone, now? i must say,hmm? what is this really about? you try to solve a "riddle" ..that is "the holy grail" by posting random ideas? that haven't been tested by yourself enough? hmmm..i'd say, stop it now. focus on your own "game" or "system"....IF you find something that "works" pretty good .. you can work on that/post it *in your own thread* etc? ...because? you'll never solve this "riddle",....this way.

Thank you :)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nichedelico on Jan 06, 08:12 AM 2019
....hi everyone, now? i must say,hmm? what is this really about? you try to solve a "riddle" ..that is "the holy grail" by posting random ideas? that haven't been tested by yourself enough? hmmm..i'd say, stop it now. focus on your own "game" or "system"....IF you find something that "works" pretty good .. you can work on that/post it *in your own thread* etc? ...because? you'll never solve this "riddle",....this way.

Thank you :)


Ok, sorry for posting here! Thank you
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 06, 08:16 AM 2019
....hi everyone, now? i must say,hmm? what is this really about? you try to solve a "riddle" ..that is "the holy grail" by posting random ideas? that haven't been tested by yourself enough? hmmm..i'd say, stop it now. focus on your own "game" or "system"....IF you find something that "works" pretty good .. you can work on that/post it *in your own thread* etc? ...because? you'll never solve this "riddle",....this way.

Thank you :)

Ignatus, wtf?

We are having fun, just let us do it, like we let you post ideas that are not tested enough.

This is a thread that is very interesting, with people positively participating.

Nichedelico, I encourage you to speak more often!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 06, 08:50 AM 2019
Nico,

Don't be afraid to share ideas. It was a very interesting post and can be looked into. That's what this board is all about. Sharing ideas. Outside the box thinking. Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nichedelico on Jan 06, 08:56 AM 2019
Ok thank you guys  :) i don't want to cause any trouble  ;D
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 06, 09:53 AM 2019
Elite, that is a good idea putting the numbers into groups
Perhaps when there is no repeat within 8 spins, determine the hot group(s) and play these groups.
It may require playing from eight to ten numbers.

Group1 RLO 01,03,05,07,09
Group2 BLE 02,04,06,08,10
Group3 RLE 12,14,16,18
Group4 BLO 11,13,15,17,
Group5 RHO 19,21,23,25,27
Group6 BHE 20,22,24,26,28
Group7 RHE 30,32,34,36
Group8 BHO 29,31,33,35

look at this test session from a live single 0 wheel

Number  Group
18   3
36   7
21   5
18   3   win

14   3
29   8
23   5
2   2
36   7
13   4
14   3   win

11   4
33   8
31   8
0   n/a
1   1
29   8
20   6
-- dealer change
25   5   lose
groups present 1, 4,5,6 and 8(three times)
groups missing 2, 3, 7

3   1
29   8
22   6
5   1
4   2
0   n/a
18   3
18   3   win

29   8
27   5
24   6
2   2
21   5
31   8
13   4
23   5   lose
groups present 2,4,5(three times),6,8(twice)
groups missing 1,3,7

32   7
22   6
16   3
21   5
21   5   win

14   3
20   6
17   4
20   6   win

24   6
8   2
0   n/a
32   7
31   8
15   4
-- dealer change
15   4   win

6   2
32   7
35   8
6   2   win

33   8
31   8
9   1
4   2
28   6   end of session

thanks  man for this ,,, further, i think its a way of tracking Deler mind, either  he is on low or  high thnking etc, i guess , modi was in good Mood  when he discovered this trick :)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 06, 09:58 AM 2019
Modi, method, sergio,  seqence pairing method, and vaadi method, of latest 8 spin repeats, all somehow relate with dealer mind, once know where he want hit  , advantage is there, that is holy grail, as i see online roulette dealers are almmost perfect, in spoting, sector, why not., they are  doing this on same wheel many years and they have to save their job, so no surprize,law of third is really a key but not master key. Play like dealer mind, can give advantage,
@ProffRead, right, neigbours should b from wheel, if dealer lastest spins going near by any specific number, but if game going random, then pairing from table, i guess is better
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 06, 10:10 AM 2019
just another thought, even casino know law of third somehow , advantages for players, they cannot get rid of this, because random world should follow random probabilty, if any roulette withdrawing numbers, uniquely , from past 50 spins, means, something wrong with that wheel, its not random and can come under  casino monitoring agencies,
as i know for any RNG to pass from authorities, it shouid pass law of third to be eligble for public, one thought,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ozon on Jan 06, 12:23 PM 2019
Elite had pretty good suggestions to play 4numbers grups.
I've had several good sessions lately, although I think it's a rather short run.
We only play 1 to a dozen three groups
1-2-3-4
5-6-7-8
9-10-11-12
After dropping a number from a given group, we play this group for 4 spins. If we have a hit, we play through the next 4 spins
Sometimes we will play 4 numbers sometimes 8, and sometimes 12 numbers for a moment.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 06, 12:52 PM 2019
Elite had pretty good suggestions to play 4numbers grups.
I've had several good sessions lately, although I think it's a rather short run.
We only play 1 to a dozen three groups
1-2-3-4
5-6-7-8
9-10-11-12
After dropping a number from a given group, we play this group for 4 spins. If we have a hit, we play through the next 4 spins
Sometimes we will play 4 numbers sometimes 8, and sometimes 12 numbers for a moment.

Very good idea. It goes to the theory that a child can do it. No tracking, no pen. Just look at the top of the board and repeat exactly what the wheel is doing. Recycling numbers. So are you saying if a number hasn't hit in 4 spins you keep the original set of 4 but then add the newest set for the next 4 spins? Making 8 numbers. He did say bet each number 8 times then drop if it hasn't hit.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 06, 01:04 PM 2019
Elite had pretty good suggestions to play 4numbers grups.
I've had several good sessions lately, although I think it's a rather short run.
We only play 1 to a dozen three groups
1-2-3-4
5-6-7-8
9-10-11-12
After dropping a number from a given group, we play this group for 4 spins. If we have a hit, we play through the next 4 spins
Sometimes we will play 4 numbers sometimes 8, and sometimes 12 numbers for a moment.

Any chance you can post an example of how you would play? When do you decide to play 8 or 12 numbers?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kan@am@ on Jan 06, 01:49 PM 2019
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Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ozon on Jan 06, 01:57 PM 2019
I played the simplest version
When the number came out, for example number 2 i play group 1-2-3-4, that will hit in 4 spins, if within these 4 spins and hit this group i play this group for the next 4 spins and  until dosent repeat
The number of played numbers depends on the results, if we have, for example, a series of numbers say 30-4-16-12 .....
We play groups 1 and 3 at the same time
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kan@am@ on Jan 06, 11:59 PM 2019
.Here Sandrino tried to give some hint.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 07, 06:50 AM 2019
In the original thread a poster named virgiliodonis posted this quote

Quote from: ombrerico on May 31, 2013, 05:03:40 PM
Quote
In mathematics, the factorial of a non-negative integer n, denoted by n >> 4!=24

Virgilio você quer dizer que o numero especial é o 6?
Olá Ombrerico,
Quero dizer que é o n=4.
Quando perguntas  "Vaddi could tell if the number is between 6 and 10 even or odd?". Vaddi enfatisa que é o factor de um numero anunciado, {And if you read my above posts, that X number is a factor of a bigger number that I've quoted}, então pode ser o numero 24. cujo factor é 4! (quatro factorial= 4x3x2x1),

virgiliodinis

He then later appeared to have posted the way he played it, then it was taken down. Can anyone decipher hat it says?

The 4x3x2x1 seems critical.

Vaddi always says if there is no repeat in the last set of spins which I take to mean the last 4 spins, that there will be some connection in the next 4 spins dropped.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 07, 08:09 AM 2019
Something that appears to work atm:

Bet the last four unique singles...and continue
to bet those same four numbers for up to nine spins.

Example: 23,0,18,7 (newest spin-value)

Bet 23,0,18,7 for up to nine spins.  Stop on a win.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 07, 08:27 AM 2019
Something that appears to work atm:

Bet the last four unique singles...and continue
to bet those same four numbers for up to nine spins.

Example: 23,0,18,7 (newest spin-value)

Bet 23,0,18,7 for up to nine spins.  Stop on a win.

I have been wondering something. The original Vaddi  thread was started in 2013. This Luck of the Irish posted this thread in 2012.

xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9740.0

It shows that the most optimal time to try to bet for a repeat is spins 5-10. After the first 4 spins. I am wondering if he was somehow incorporating these stats into his method. Coincidentally I just posted this in Ignatus newest thread today.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 07, 09:21 AM 2019
apart from this, my observation is , most important thing is when to enter in game.
and realize which playground is where we trying to win.
below some facts.
1-Dealer is expert to throw ball in any sector area.
2-casino knows almost which sector or almost number is going to drop next.
(study the structer of latest wheels, inside they have lazers  that measure speed of ball, etc and can predict no, before ball land).
3- Pitboss constantly monitoring the profit and loss going on that roulette table.

What casino do to make players loose.
 1- they change the ball  if more players are winning(isnt't it cheating?)
 2- based on pitboss feedback, dealer will change sector to hit,
 3-Dealer will spin either wheel slower or faster or ball speed change based on Pitboss feedback to hit some particular sector(if roulette random then why this ).
4- computer can reject your bets( if with minimal  chips u winning freqently, isnt this cheating?)
5-another , not conformed but my observation is they control ball some how , especially weekends, i observed this . may b i m right or wrong
6- camera  view changs as dealer throw ball until bet open.
7- sometime they pick ball from one number and throw from other side(isnt this cheating, when palyer aleady palced bets? how much chances of looosing now)

just think this way, bets are closed , all placed bets, and they know which number is having lower stacks.
Dealer  will spin where? no holy grail man. this is the reason, player says hit and run..
See the battlefield , how heavily its guarded, we are just prey , going there..

If roulette is perfectly random, wihtout biased, then  2.70% house edge, but using tactics and progression can be beaten.
above my observation is for the most reliable casinos.

once some one is good in predicting, then he will see, more counter measure casino has done to loose players.
Believe me casino is like a red ass monkey that need big banana to satisfy,
more perfect your are in game, more hurdle u will see apart from predicting in online gaming.

all tricks here , strategies, are not useless, but why it flops is , casino, knows where what people are doing.

Before entering game , always check , previous last 2 sessions(50 to 70 spins), and see what you are going to do, is same as its happening now?

then start observing latest outcomes addition point(try to predict  sectors, based on ball speed it will heplful later to decide which possible number will hit again, )
see when it will be good to enter(as per Vaadi 25 spins, and profit of a day).
but before playing that fully ready , knows what wheel is doing, where is balance now.
roulete constangly changing..why  , because palyers on pattrens, so they break pattrens,
slow and steady. not much profit there, make your goal, and quit.(why, because our mind stuck with current pattrens and till it adopt with new patterns, we already loose some prifits and this going on untill all loose).Break, take relax when join after  some time, then u can see roulette patrrens with new angle, this is the logic, i guess, players suggest to take a break,,,,,















Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 08, 12:07 AM 2019
I have been wondering something. The original Vaddi  thread was started in 2013. This Luck of the Irish posted this thread in 2012.

xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9740.0

It shows that the most optimal time to try to bet for a repeat is spins 5-10. After the first 4 spins. I am wondering if he was somehow incorporating these stats into his method. Coincidentally I just posted this in Ignatus newest thread today.

I tried a five unique single qualifier builder but the hit rate isn't constant.
==============================
New idea :)

Bet newest two Red's or Black's natural splits & zero each spin
Stop on a win or after seven consecutive misses.

Example: 23,0,11,9,15 (newest spin-value)

Bet 15/18 & 8/11,0 once:    1.) 3(x)-2

Bet 3/6 & 9/12,0 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 08, 06:31 PM 2019
New idea :)
==============================
Track for two consecutive numerically higher or lower singles' outcomes.  Bet
those two and the next lower and higher numbers respectively for up to nine spins.

Example: 12,0,3,19,35,4 (newest spin-value)

Bet 2,3,4,5 for up to nine spins.  Stop on a win.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ignatus on Jan 08, 06:51 PM 2019
New idea :)
==============================
Track for two consecutive numerically higher or lower singles' outcomes.  Bet
those two and the next lower and higher numbers respectively for up to nine spins.

Example: 12,0,3,19,35,4 (newest spin-value)

Bet 2,3,4,5 for up to nine spins.  Stop on a win.


......im sorry proof,.....but ....you soooo lost,..im sorry..very soory.....you missed the target completley.....im sorry, you're lost,....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 08, 06:54 PM 2019
I'm trying to figure the puzzle out Ignatus
(Plz feel free to help)  :)
==============================
*Something to add.

If you see a new trigger bet the new trigger
instead, but continue the countdown to nine spins.

Example: 12,0,24,6,18,5 (newest spin-value)

Bet 7,6,5,4:    1.) 2(x)-4               2.) 32(x)-4               3.) 25(x)-4*

Bet 23,24,25,26:    4.) ....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ignatus on Jan 08, 07:08 PM 2019
I'm trying to figure the puzzle out Ignatus
(Plz feel free to help)  :)
==============================
*Something to add.

If you see a new trigger bet the new trigger
instead, but continue the countdown to nine spins.

Example: 12,0,24,6,18,5 (newest spin-value)

Bet 7,6,5,4:    1.) 2(x)-4               2.) 32(x)-4               3.) 25(x)-4*

Bet 23,24,25,26:    4.) ....

Well,..that's a nice idea,..yes, very nice, thanks,, :) But it will Also fail,....Because? First off, as irish88 has proven, by statistics over 30 millions spins..."most repeats", comes within the frame of,...."8-10" spins, ....also, "this idea" is bet
9/2=4..(so you bet only 4 numbers), (i've seen those stats myself,.....so, that means, to conclude your idea, it was nice, but it will not work, in the long run,...etc...Because? You would bet Every other bet (skip 1 bet) and? "skipping bets" won't help, as has been proven by the "pros"...so,the conclution now,...is... that, this is also a complete failure.......yes...you lost the target again...... :)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 08, 07:50 PM 2019
.Here Sandrino tried to give some hint.

I think at one time Sandrino posted the way he played but then edited and took down his messages. 

A couple of interesting things posted

Hi sandrino

Thnx for sharing the info


Do you still Knock the numbers off the bottom and add the latest landed number? up to 4 numbers? so the magic x number is now 4?

thnx sandrino i'm a little slow but  it is much clearer now

so if you don't knock numbers off and dont add new ones that means you bet on same 4split (8 numbers) until you get some profit?

Vaddi always said it's about the last 4 spins. Then there would be some connection in the next 8 spins out.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 08, 08:13 PM 2019
Hey Ignatus.  According to the late Flat_Ino, a lifetime
test for a system should be in profit after 400 bets. :)

Don't forget the 'fun' part in creating systems  ^-^
==============================
@all

"If you see a new trigger bet the new trigger
instead, but continue the countdown to nine spins.

Example: 12,0,24,6,18,5 (newest spin-value)

Bet 7,6,5,4:    1.) 2(x)-4               2.) 32(x)-4               3.) 25(x)-4*

Bet 23,24,25,26:    4.) ....
"

European wheel recommended
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ignatus on Jan 08, 08:33 PM 2019

Bet 7,6,5,4:   


Well, Blessings Upon you proof<3 :) You got a fantastic vision, and i thank you, now, you start to work in the right direcition... :) ....but...im sorry to say,...this will also fail.....yes, it's true,...it's a *complete* failure..... yes,.. :) why? Becaause...as I've told you before,....this,..."frame" is "too small"..you must include, these "outside possibilities", "outside" your, "frame", witch is, "4 numbers" .. :) so, conclution, again....this is a complete failure,...:) ....End of the story,... (as I've already told you..?)..you must include the this frame of 8-10 numbers, if you're ever going to succeed,...that's a fact, both logically, scientifically and..? (as proven from the stats, that, again, irish88, has revealed to me...)....so conluding words for "Vladdis Grail",....this is.....a "non-working system"...That's it...so End this thread, now, im not givning you any more support.... Try focus on my thread "AI~FLAT_8",...im telling you..this original idea did Not come from "any ordinary" "source", that "you believe or believe not"...but, that's a fact, and im not dreaming,.... thank you..now. you/we work on THIS ---> xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=24867.msg218988;topicseen#msg218988 i am *not* giving Any more support to this thread. so That's my final words.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 09, 12:12 AM 2019
One more idea :)

Note each last decision spin-value.  Bet the newest
single, the next numerically higher number and zero once.

Stop on a win or after 12 consecutive misses.

Example: #33 (newest spin-value)

Bet 33,34,0 once:    1.) 14(x)-3

Bet 14,15,0 once....

*If #36 shows bet 36,35,0 once.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ignatus on Jan 09, 01:46 AM 2019
One more idea :)

Note each last decision spin-value.  Bet the newest
single, the next numerically higher number and zero once.

Stop on a win or after 12 consecutive misses.

Example: #33 (newest spin-value)

Bet 33,34,0 once:    1.) 14(x)-3

Bet 14,15,0 once....

*If #36 shows bet 36,35,0 once.

 8) That, was the most clever, and fun system, i *ever seen*..... :love:

Thanks  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 09, 05:28 AM 2019
Vaadi, system, puzzle , i guess, now its clear..pair number is numerically higher no..
that some time happens in real game. but repeats always..so i guess, 1% need to accommodate for pairing if required.
Important thing, i think is when to enter game...?
when single only dropping?
when double and single both comming up?
or when no repeats in your magic no?
or if  no repeats in magic no but  before that, doubles dropped and balance the game already ?
or when no repeats in your magic no and before that few only doubles dropped?

....may be if consider these can be effective,


Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 09, 05:50 AM 2019
below one chart for illustration
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 09, 06:20 AM 2019
i guess, playing on pairs is conditional with when no  doubles dropping and singles are dropping like crazy(as per vad)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 09, 06:31 AM 2019
considering, scanrios of doubles, singles an pairs
below 3 posibilites only
1- singles are converting into doubls
2-pairing nubers are landing
3-random numbers are landing(no pair,no doubles)

so below game plan can b
if doubles are coming and able to hit 3 doubles, then change to pairs , observing recent 4 spins.if hit  3 pairs, then change to double

1st and two will b win by vad methods , wht about third case?
i guess in that case need to be on last dropping numbers with 8 numbers. to catch repeaters or may be observe, for for few spins

beauty i  can see in VAD system is its long term wining, while failure can be for short span of time,,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 09, 09:50 AM 2019
again started decoding..
Think of roulette in these terms and no other:

24 numbers land
12 doubles land

2:1 ratio.

The factors 4 and 8

24 / 8 = 3
12 / 4 = 3


in one ideal cycle, have 24 no drops,   12 doubles +12 singles
to capture doubles, we know well, how to capture, singles also because , doubles and singels both in 50 50 ratio,, so i guess, betting on 8 numbers, 4 will b on recent landing nos and 4 will b on pairs,,,,analysing +++
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 09, 10:04 AM 2019
The thing with Vaddi is he says it goes up and down quite a bit. I think everyone expects to be in immediate profit say after 4-8 spins. That isn't the case. You have to flat bet but at some point it will get into profit at a new high. Like he said, it usually took till around spin 24 to get into profit.  One that happens you re-set with a new set of numbers. That is how I am interpreting it now. Again you have to follow the wheel. It will eventually go back to where it once was. Make sense? I could be completely wrong of course.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 09, 10:16 AM 2019
If about 24 spins to be back in profit, after 8 spins of step1 ( if it is 8), that leaves 16 spins to recover from a -36u deficit.  Or is it 24 spins to recover?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 09, 10:21 AM 2019
Vadi quote:  if you're using $10 chips, how about making $350 in about 10 minutes without sweating and without using any progression?

based on above, using 1$ chip, we can make profit of 35$ within 10 minutes, ..in 10 minues avg spins can be 15 to 20.. so seems like he making profit around 20 spins, in one session,,

@Irish, seems like this,as you thinking
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 09, 10:27 AM 2019
after giving alll clues , he said he will not share his simple method,, ommmm, seems something ++ there,
his cluses
1-bet on 8 sets, like , one chip on first landed no and keep going on until 8,
  block state; if no hit within that range. if hit and get new high start from begining
2-pair numbers, to bet  capture singles
3-bet on doubles with lower amounts than singles

he mentioned, predict sleepers based on lands or doubles? i didnt get the clue how to do this.
He agree on MOD01 system that its for predicting, singles to doubles
one more point he added , think numbers like  2,4,6,8, etc,,
Once clue he given, every no has its mirror...

++vad cluce: wheel, balance, partner no.
balane, partner no , got idea, what he mean by wheel? how to use this in his system? no clue in my mind

so what was final solution he got based on above presented facts ...  :( thinking on way

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 09, 10:36 AM 2019
sad thing, he never returned on this forum, my worriness is , and good wishes for his life,
and somehow if he able to read this thread, my request him to join here .without any clue also ok. I personally feel , he is a good man, give important thing of his experience to all, for free,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 09, 11:01 AM 2019
here attach two cycles no from real wheel
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 09, 11:30 AM 2019
i think, based on above facts, he devised a gameplay which covers all these aspects,

may be he playing on latest 4 numbrs until 12 spins and then from 12 to 24 spins he using 8 numbers,  max .
OR
First stage (1 to 12  spins), sleepers turning into singles.
singles will drop  then doubles, so initial game play can be bet on pairs instead of drop nos to catch sleepers
2nd stage(12 to 24)
bet on singles..

one thought
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ozon on Jan 09, 11:34 AM 2019
I have one question, what is the evidence that Vaddis had a long term winning system.
From what results he played short sessions, probably still used the BM casino, I had several strategies that would bring a profit of more than 5k spins flatbet, and later started to lose.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 09, 11:37 AM 2019
here attach two cycles no from real wheel

So looking at this reminds me of the 37 back to basics thread.

xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20411.0

Once a number a appears in a street or double street they seem to hit in clusters. Table pairs really seems to hit in clusters. I am a follow the wheel guy but this seems to indicate otherwise.

I think 6th sense has an idea what's going on and says it is somewhat related to Vaddi.

Elite( or anyone else) check that thread out and see if you can make sense of it. I honestly couldn't really figure out exactly how to apply it. I think AYK tracker is a great tool but I only play at live b and m casinos and really can't use it. If someone can make sense of it for me I would be very grateful.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 09, 11:39 AM 2019
smoke fog, all around, but no concrete evidence, dark dark,,,,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 09, 11:41 AM 2019
So looking at this reminds me of the 37 back to basics thread.

xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20411.0

Once a number a appears in a street or double street they seem to hit in clusters. Table pairs really seems to hit in clusters. I am a follow the wheel guy but this seems to indicate otherwise.
I think 6th sense has an idea what's going on and says it is somewhat related to Vaddi.

Elite( or anyone else) check that thread out and see if you can make sense of it. I honestly couldn't really figure out exactly how to apply it. I think AYK tracker is a great tool but I only play at live b and m casinos and really can't use it. If someone can make sense of it for me I would be very grateful.

checking on this Irish,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 09, 11:46 AM 2019
I have one question, what is the evidence that Vaddis had a long term winning system.
From what results he played short sessions, probably still used the BM casino, I had several strategies that would bring a profit of more than 5k spins flatbet, and later started to lose.

Yes got your point, i m analyzing this because of  his confidence in his system.as he shared and was confident, i guess there was something he able to figure it out.. may be or may not be he is in consistent profit..
If he always winning, as per human nature,  he must come on forum.
Not sure what happend.
I am trying to figure out only  how he can he  play a system  and think that can b a holy grail. 20 spins, 35 dollar profit. seems not very charming, but he said its consistent long term winning, that think attracts to study on his thoughts
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 09, 11:52 AM 2019
I have one question, what is the evidence that Vaddis had a long term winning system.
From what results he played short sessions, probably still used the BM casino, I had several strategies that would bring a profit of more than 5k spins flatbet, and later started to lose.

We don't know how many spin/sessions he played/tested before to claim it was a HG.  It is possible to have a successful 1000 spins and cry wolf too early.
I have the impression his ''HG'' took different shapes as the thread was going on.
Nevertheless, I have to agree Step1 is a good start: I ran simulations where overall score was still above zero after 1000 sessions ( although it tanked later on, of course).  Ran manually, I would have thought it to be unbeatable system for a long time; thanks to computers and simulations, illusions and dreams last shorter....

Thinking right now of a new idea, inspered by PHP, water droplets, neighbours....
Later!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 09, 12:12 PM 2019
Enjoy this tracker.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 09, 12:17 PM 2019
We don't know how many spin/sessions he played/tested before to claim it was a HG.  It is possible to have a successful 1000 spins and cry wolf too early.
I have the impression his ''HG'' took different shapes as the thread was going on.
Nevertheless, I have to agree Step1 is a good start: I ran simulations where overall score was still above zero after 1000 sessions ( although it tanked later on, of course).  Ran manually, I would have thought it to be unbeatable system for a long time; thanks to computers and simulations, illusions and dreams last shorter....

Thinking right now of a new idea, inspered by PHP, water droplets, neighbours....
Later!

Interesting thread here BBB,

xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19562.0

A quote from MoneyT

Quote (selected)
We have 6 runners racing for 1 mile daily for the next 13 days.

Using the pigeonhole theory we can figure out the minimum amount of wins for 1 runner out of the 6.  We dont know who will win but we do know the minimum wins within the 13 days......

Atleast 1 runner will win 3 times.

Lets say each runner wins 2 times.  That will mean its been 12 days(6*2)...so on the 13th day 1 will have 3 wins no matter which way you slice it!

Is this about double streets? Anyone figure this out?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: ignatus on Jan 09, 12:26 PM 2019
Interesting thread here BBB,

xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19562.0

A quote from MoneyT

Quote (selected)
We have 6 runners racing for 1 mile daily for the next 13 days.

Using the pigeonhole theory we can figure out the minimum amount of wins for 1 runner out of the 6.  We dont know who will win but we do know the minimum wins within the 13 days......

Atleast 1 runner will win 3 times.

Lets say each runner wins 2 times.  That will mean its been 12 days(6*2)...so on the 13th day 1 will have 3 wins no matter which way you slice it!

Is this about double streets? Anyone figure this out?

Greetings, Irish88.

Solution to this, is very simple,....forget about the carpet,...:) simple, it's "6 numbers bet" random is random, so, that's the soulution to the code,...if you can develop this further , in some way ,..... yess? :)

I'd say....Random is Random....so?

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 09, 02:22 PM 2019
Hey guys you can always do a "pivot" on Natural Lines:

Natural Lines: L1-6, L7-12, L13-18, L19-24, L25-30, L31-36

(all Vaddi of course)

If the newest spin-value is Odd Bet the next numerically Higher Line.
If the newest spin-value is Even bet the next numerically Lower Line.

And bet zero always-(which makes seven numbers in play)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 09, 02:47 PM 2019
Actually the hit rate is better the other way :)

If the newest spin-value is Even Bet the next numerically Higher Line.
If the newest spin-value is Odd bet the next numerically Lower Line.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 07:16 AM 2019
i think game will be dynamic, atleast after 4 numbers drop need to change the bets accordinly based on what has been changed as per law of third.
I think this law of third is against players than casino.Just imagining , if in every cycle 30+ numbers comes then how easy was it to win, just betting 7 non hit numbers after 20 spins..Decoding this 24 out of 36(for simplicity), 12 doubles , 12 repeaters and 12 sleepers how difficult it is to win using balance number 8.

Now i think, whoever claims he has HG, may be not true, e,g if take the case of sergio, who claims, he has HG of vaadi,but he is ready to sell it..
why, if any system giving 200 units per day , then in one year how much 200*365=73000 euros, then why need to sell? Vaadi claims, his system can change game rules , but  after that what happen he didnt joined.. and his start to end thead totally changing , and what he presented in his  ending thread , i think it  is not easy to understand for an experienced roulette palyers then how come a  child can play and win, where is  so much to consider during play, e.g like pair numbers, lands, mirrors , doubles, etc..

But i guess to know something is better  than nothing, so i m intersted  to know his system ,,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 07:23 AM 2019
yesterday session, deadliest one, see the repeaters and neighbors range how far it is. lands also far, if any one has good system , may be this cycle will help him to validate his system either profitable or not,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 07:33 AM 2019
Consider 8 number as balance, which is key of VAD system , how come someone can bet on doubles, singles, sleepers, nighbours at the same time, taking that case, 3  numbers i  can choose for latest lands, then 3 for neighbors, and 2 for sleepers,  in that case how much is chance i will win, withing 4 spins, as i posted one graph above, nohting works, pairing also came in back pairing.. repater length is too long, neigbours also came in lenghty periods, 
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 07:48 AM 2019
above ,numbering, i still left doubles and mirror numbers.if including those also, then bet can be like this
2 lastest lands, 2 neighbours, 2 sleepers,, 2 mirror numbers= 8 number balance
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Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 08:33 AM 2019
seems mirror listing can be helpful
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 11, 09:06 AM 2019
How would it?
How do you describe mirror nrs?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 12:20 PM 2019
big bro , i hope u know better than me, mirror ,  i guess, is 36-landed number, may be. Mirro in terms of roulette wheel and table, i mean in my post.so best mirror which is more powerful, either wheel vs table or in sequential, 1 to 36, then mirror in opposite.i m still in analysing phase, man.till now i  guess lands are more powerful, because number comes in uniform dance as per Vaadi. so when singles are comong then lands are powerful, if law of third towrds doubles  , mean stage 2 then singles are more powerful, if balance game then i guess lands better
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 12:28 PM 2019
i m just thinking may be comparing two  sides, together may be can give some clue figuring out next landing nos, but still not sure how to do that.
two sides means, number vs mirror or table vs wheel..  and what can be a best bet , based on stages, all numbers in 0 state ,in fist state, then they turn to singls, (2nd stage) then singles turn to doubles(3rd stage,)  so based on these 3 states bets need to adjust accordingly  , i guess, will see how it goes man, not sure yet Big Bro. But i think one member Six sence have more knowledge,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 12:50 PM 2019
and repeaters drop ranges, i guess matters too, as roulete is all about balance, so i guess, it means, if doubles currently repeating, long distances, then in future they are going to repeat in narrow ranges, etc, then can only be balance there,so based on that can catch repeaters, same case for neighbours /partner numbers, i guess
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 01:02 PM 2019
as per law of third there should be 13 unhits numbers, keeping that i guess, there should be 13 gaps also , in lands, so a land cannot grow longer, there should be missing gaps,  as per law of thirds, so if a land consists of 5 nubmbers so most probaly  the next two sides numbers will not drop,
just my thinking. Vaadi also mentioned his post, he uses lands and mirrors to predict sleepers,

so if a land has one residents then most probably other two neigbhours  possiblity to come is higher, VAAD also said, think in terms of 2, 4, 12, 24,
so singles going to doubles, means 2, residents, in  a land, trippe going to be quad means, 4, may be he means this, and he uses this in his system,

the picture i post above, single nubmers without neigbours in table mode are only  3, other all becomes doubles or more, so if any one playing this, way, how he can loose, may b he means, this as HG,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 01:10 PM 2019
in wheel mode there are 4 singles , as compared to table where only  3 , so may be he emphasizing , table more than wheel , because in table mode numbers, possibility of nubmers to become doubles is more than on wheel..
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 11, 01:17 PM 2019
as per law of third there should be 13 unhits numbers, keeping that i guess, there should be 13 gaps also , in lands, so a land cannot grow longer, there should be missing gaps,  as per law of thirds, so if a land consists of 5 nubmbers so most probaly  the next two sides numbers will not drop,
just my thinking. Vaadi also mentioned his post, he uses lands and mirrors to predict sleepers,

so if a land has one residents then most probably other two neigbhours  possiblity to come is higher, VAAD also said, think in terms of 2, 4, 12, 24,
so singles going to doubles, means 2, residents, in  a land, trippe going to be quad means, 4, may be he means this, and he uses this in his system,

the picture i post above, single nubmers without neigbours in table mode are only  3, other all becomes doubles or more, so if any one playing this, way, how he can loose, may b he means, this as HG,

I think you are very close here. I don't fully understand what you are saying to be completely honest but I can make enough of it that it makes great sense. If you notice in the trackers two becomes fours. Splitting and pairing. This reference has been used over and over with Vaddi. Maybe once you have a pair, you bet the other two numbers on either side. But again I ask, Is Vaddi wheel based or table based? A pair in the table 17,18 or 7,11(American wheel). Both? Eventually the gaps fill in. Is this due to the law of the third? Does it have to happen? The gaps fill in or it has to back to where it once was?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 01:21 PM 2019
i think , repeaters in games are for loosing ,,, just imaging if  repeaters are not too many , how easy was  to win just plying, on lands,
inspite of all this info, Vaadi Given, is how  to manage all this with balance number, seems we know what going to land but with 8 numbers, all this to mange, how ? i guess sergio using , many numbers in his grail, so he playing with minimal amoutn, becaus that will give more accuracy, but less profit, so killer challenge lies how to manage bets, i guess, around magic number.wihtout that number system has no power, but to manage that one without progression is really a challenge,  a challenge to find Grail , i think
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 11, 01:25 PM 2019
Is Vaddi wheel based or table based?

Wheel based.  He wasn't sure if it would work on rng, but he suspected it might work.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 01:36 PM 2019
I think you are very close here. I don't fully understand what you are saying to be completely honest but I can make enough of it that it makes great sense. If you notice in the trackers two becomes fours. Splitting and pairing. This reference has been used over and over with Vaddi. Maybe once you have a pair, you bet the other two numbers on either side. But again I ask, Is Vaddi wheel based or table based? A pair in the table 17,18 or 7,11(American wheel). Both? Eventually the gaps fill in. Is this due to the law of the third? Does it have to happen? The gaps fill in or it has to back to where it once was?

IRish, Vaadi mentioned his post, its table, not wheel,
in 37 spins there will be 13 unit numbers, so gaps will be around that, important thing is singles are becoming doubles in 37 spins, so e.g if first 4 spins, are spread,means with gaps, then better bet can be aournd those numbers as per table ..because gaps must need to fill.if its start of game, then all numbers in 0 state  , after 4 spins, 4 becomes singles, but 33 numbers are in 0 state, so i think that time instead of betting singles, should go on neighbours, becuse best balance numbers to bet are 8,  after 8 spins, may be then better to include few singles also, becuase 8 numbers in single state but 29 in 0 state , and out of 29 , as per law of third, 16 more to come, so probability of coming neighbours is more than singles to repeat, but if doubles are dropping, so i guess it all depends how game going, if e.g ball is hitting any particular number on wheel, so means,there is more chance of coming doubles, as an external factor.Also i see, doubles ranges contract and expand, based on that, i think need to adjust the bets also..

how to bet, i think better if any number is single then bet on its two neigbous, e.g 15 comes, then bet on 14,15,16. so keeping balance, we can be around, 2 numbers   this way total will b six, and other two we can include latest number, so based on above chart, i think we should b  aournd  doubles  or singles nubmers,but difficult part is managing these bets with 8 numbers bet. number must will land in neighbours, but when and how, this all need to manage, till yet i didnt find any good method ,, to deal with these situations,

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 01:42 PM 2019
from vaadi quote , how he manging doubles

1) 2 chips on doubles

2) 1 chip on doubles

3) Half of a chip on doubles

2) and 3) should make you smile. Smiley

- Vaddi
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 01:44 PM 2019
to predict numbers, what he does, he also mentioned,,see below. how he comparing , is it any two  lists, wheel and table layout? or mirror number ? not sure yet . may be  he makes two lists, one mirror list, (is that list is 1to 36 and 2nd 36 to 1, or its table and wheel,  ? no idea)

Hi Vaddi, first of all thank you very much for sharing this information, I wanted to ask you since you have spoken of "mirror" if in fact your system has at least some analogy with the "mirror system", which for those who do not know him (it's easy) works like this:

- Using only the chanches even (R / B, E / O, H / L)
- Ex. use of R / B, on five outputs (the number of outputs of waiting is then decided by the player)

R
R
B
R
B

- At this point the bet amount will be exactly to 'reverse (just as you see things in the mirror, that is reversed from right to left and vice versa) of these five issues, then:

B
B
R
B
R

The system as it is very clear, hoping that the next five releases will probably also only slightly different from the first five.
Obviously this is just a simple example of how to proceed, we know that at least on RNG you can also get more than 30 outputs of the same color, the system lends itself to having different variations on the web I think they are much information about it. Thanks and regards.
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Re: Wish I could openly share Roulette Grail
« Reply #331 on: July 30, 2013, 11:09:58 PM »
I guess the basic idea is somewhat similar, except that I'm using inside numbers.

The inside numbers constantly 'try' to balance with each other in a sort of uniform dance. And there are ways to temporarily exploit the imbalances.

From time to time, I warn against red / black systems because there's no way of exploiting reliable roulette constants.

The constants that I seek to exploit are...

- 24 singles every 37 spins

- 12 doubles every 37 spins

- 13 no-hits every 37 spins

Now, that's a reliable roulette pattern every 37 spins and it's a way of informing you that roulette is not perfectly random.

If you are aware of perfectly exploitable and reliable constants in a red / black strategy, then power to you. If not, watch out.

- Vaddi
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 01:48 PM 2019
and i guess he not betting on singles in some stage, when one of forum member aksed how to manage , doubles singles, with 10 numbers, what he answered is as below

so, when I state  24 'singles', I'm looking at it from the point of view that singles must occur first before doubles can manifest.

I know ... putting the grail together based on the many clues I've provided is a killer challenge. Different components that are presented impact on other suggested elements and transforms the final solution into something ne
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 01:50 PM 2019
and how he predicts slepper, he answerd as below (if any one have idea about mirror then plz share, what that mirror is, is it reverse list or its table to wheel, or its something else). one session i notices, out of 9 , 5 mirrirs came, if considering revers list, but that were two far ranges,
so how to flow with lands/doubles. flow with lands meeans lands growing, doubles means, doubles growing i guess, but how to float with them, not sure,


VAD:All elements of roulette have a mirror and you can use lands / doubles to flow with and to predict sleepers.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 11, 01:55 PM 2019
from vaadi quote , how he manging doubles

1) 2 chips on doubles

2) 1 chip on doubles

3) Half of a chip on doubles

2) and 3) should make you smile. Smiley

- Vaddi

So stupid question on my part. What is a double? A repeater? Or a pair on the table?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 01:57 PM 2019
what he said how can b a consistent winner.. below (what does 2,4,12 means, if any one have idea, plz share)


I now believe that there are many answers to winning against roulette consistently once you grasp ideas with regard to ...

- flat betting
- balance
- paired numbers
- following the wheel
- doubles (12)
- singles (24)
- using dropped numbers to predict future drops
- thinking in terms of even numbers: 4, 8, 12, 24, 36
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 02:02 PM 2019
Wheel based.  He wasn't sure if it would work on rng, but he suspected it might work.

just corection to my below thread,  i didnt find when he said, its table or wheel, but about pairing he said, that are  must be , backward pariing or froward paring, so big bro ben, how u get that he said its wheel , neighbours, even though now i also feeling he means, wheel, becuase he mentioed dealer signature in one of his post,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 02:09 PM 2019
So stupid question on my part. What is a double? A repeater? Or a pair on the table?

Irish, first i do correct my before post. i now reread his imporat points again , and didnt find he means wheel or table, but i gues it can be wheel as in one of his post he said, something about dealer also.

Nothing is stupid man. let me explain,
double and repeater same meaning, if one number comes more than one time, e.g if 3 landed and after few spins if it lands again, then its a repeater or doubles,
pair number means, number connected with each other, e.g 1,2,3,4,5,6  here 1  connectes with 2, so  1 and  2 are pairs same, 2, and 3 are pairs, its going towrds 1 to 36, same way pair can be backwar also if go from 36 to 1 then 36 has pair with 35,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 02:13 PM 2019
for pairing what he said, below. but he consider wheel also in his game play as can depicted, so need to connect wheel also with this pairing, may be to find more clues

Hi,

Are the pairings a sort of code ? lol Or are they meant as they are written

They are meant as they are written.  Wink

- Vaddi
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 02:16 PM 2019
I think you are very close here. I don't fully understand what you are saying to be completely honest but I can make enough of it that it makes great sense. If you notice in the trackers two becomes fours. Splitting and pairing. This reference has been used over and over with Vaddi. Maybe once you have a pair, you bet the other two numbers on either side. But again I ask, Is Vaddi wheel based or table based? A pair in the table 17,18 or 7,11(American wheel). Both? Eventually the gaps fill in. Is this due to the law of the third? Does it have to happen? The gaps fill in or it has to back to where it once was?

 gaps will filled as after 37 spins 24 numbers will drop, and  there is no way they can occur without filling gap,if playing on gaps u can loose if numbers are repeating, and there are 12 numbers to repeat, and 13 will not come at all, so how to manage this situation, as i can see this law of third is not player friendly , it seems more casino friendly
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 02:22 PM 2019
Wheel based.  He wasn't sure if it would work on rng, but he suspected it might work.
HI Ben, i guess, he uses wheel, but he plays on sequence, and combining both  may b that its mirror, so predict numbers, so he follows wheel for sure, without seeing and follow wheel is like we just playing blindly on rng roulete so your are right in this sense   but what he said he perfer phsyscal wheel because it follows nature rule that is law of third , so here confusion, man, his concern looks towrds law of third more than, wheel
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Kattila on Jan 11, 02:26 PM 2019
Here a idea ( nothing to do with vaddis) for you ....
You have 6 different numbers , each of that numbers did not hit the 
neighbors (Wheel) of the other ones. Start to bet that 6 and the two
neighbors of each, so 18 numbers. If lose bet all that 18 and the new
number and the two neighbors (or 2 close numbers), so bet 21 numbers.
If lose , bet that 21 and the new number + 2 neighbors ( or 2 close numbers),
so bet 24 numbers .  Still need good MM plan for this.
Also can start with 5 diff . numbers , so 15 no,  18 no , 21  no, 24 no .

cheers
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 02:40 PM 2019
Here a idea ( nothing to do with vaddis) for you ....
You have 6 different numbers , each of that numbers did not hit the 
neighbors (Wheel) of the other ones. Start to bet that 6 and the two
neighbors of each, so 18 numbers. If lose bet all that 18 and the new
number and the two neighbors (or 2 close numbers), so bet 21 numbers.
If lose , bet that 21 and the new number + 2 neighbors ( or 2 close numbers),
so bet 24 numbers .  Still need good MM plan for this.
Also can start with 5 diff . numbers , so 15 no,  18 no , 21  no, 24 no .

cheers


hi katalia , this way progression will be high and require good balance, even though accuracy is more,  but profit will b low and balance require will b high, and if it goes, until table limit  , like martingle very quickly
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 02:42 PM 2019
i got some idea on mirror system and i hope vad using same way, if take 1 to 36 one list and 36 to 1 2nd list, so  nubmers will not be same, as  35 hit  two times and 1 hit also two times, 34 hit 3 times and 3 hits  3 times, so keeping that and also keeping law of third, can reach to next landing numbers one thought ,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Herby on Jan 11, 02:52 PM 2019
2nd list

For a second list you have (37! - 1) = (13763753091226345046315979581580902400000000 - 1) possiblities.  :question:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 02:57 PM 2019
For a second list you have (37! - 1) = (13763753091226345046315979581580902400000000 - 1) possiblities.  :question:

yes but law of third says 24 number only will drop in one cycle. example for mirror can be like RR BBRR , so now how many chnce, same pattren will repeat, but u r right , there are many possiblites with numbers, but what vadi says number comes in uniform dance, and we have lands and doubles to predict sleepers, so we have to keep that lands, (consecutive numbers landed) and doubles, also in mind, so in this way can get close to next predicted numbers, so  getting minor advantage, can beat roulete in long term, one thought,

For 2nd list we not include all numbers, every number one mirror, 36 cannot be mirrir with 36, so we left with only 18 numbers, then law of third says 24 drops, so if we are playing 14 spins, and 12 numbers drop, then how much left , then also  how many gaps , that time,  may be analysing all this can get near by target
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 03:13 PM 2019
one quote from vad, making some clues he using, sequence only, not not considering, wheel movement, or dealer signature, etc.
and i guess, when he says, follow wheel , it means,  bet on latest number


The GRAIL does NOT try and guess what the wheel will do. And, that's part of the magic.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 03:54 PM 2019
a real example of mirror, lands, and pairs,doubles , any  light there? in mirror always left goes to right , thinking this way  ::::
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 04:14 PM 2019
In vaadi one post he mention , 18 numbers also , if more than 18 numbers and that system required progressino then that system needs to tweak,


i think 18 also a break even number and  and multiple of higher number(36), may be numbers can be increased based on current gameplay, and law of third stats , other wise it seems not easy to grab  to  so many things going togehter .....one thought
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: The General on Jan 11, 05:38 PM 2019
one quote from vad, making some clues he using, sequence only, not not considering, wheel movement, or dealer signature, etc.
and i guess, when he says, follow wheel , it means,  bet on latest number


The GRAIL does NOT try and guess what the wheel will do. And, that's part of the magic.

Anyone that will only leave "clues" as to how to win with a roulette system is usually one or more of the following.

1. An idiot
2. A scamming Gypsy
3. Delusional
4. A fraud
5. A high school dropout
6. Seriously sucks at math
7. A fool
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: RouletteGhost on Jan 11, 06:45 PM 2019
Anyone that will only leave "clues" as to how to win with a roulette system is usually one or more of the following.

1. An idiot
2. A scamming Gypsy
3. Delusional
4. A fraud
5. A high school dropout
6. Seriously sucks at math
7. A fool

or

someone winning consistently for years using their mechanical system due to nice money management and a combination of luck
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 11, 09:02 PM 2019
As Bigbroben would say "Another file on the desk"  :)
=============================
Note the newest spin value.  If last decision was Even
bet that number and the six numerically higher numbers.

If last decision was Odd bet that number
and the six numerically lower numbers.

Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: #30 (newest spin-value)

Bet 30,31,32,33,34,35,36 once:    1.) #3(x)-7

Bet 3,2,1,0,36,35,34 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 11, 09:43 PM 2019
As Bigbroben would say "Another file on the desk"  :)


There are many files on my desk, really...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 11, 10:13 PM 2019
hehe  ^-^
==============================
How about this...

Last four Odd outcomes vs Last four Evens

...29,23,21,6,20,32,9,10,0 (newest spin-value)-Even

If the last decision is Even bet the last four Even
outcomes & next numerically higher numbers respectively.

If the last decision is Odd bet the last four Odd
outcomes & next numerically lower numbers respectively.

Example: (from above)

Bet 0,1:        10,11:        32,33:        20,21 once:    1.) 25(x)-8 (Odd)

Bet 25,24:    9,8:            21,20:        23,22 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 11, 10:27 PM 2019
Singles in Streets play & Zero

Note the last three outcomes.  Are they unique streets?

Bet the last decision numbers and one
numerically higher**they have to be in the same street

Example: 21,9,31 (newest spin-value)

Bet 21,19:        9,7:         31,32,0 once:    1(x)-7

Bet 1,2:            31,32:     9,7,0 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 11, 11:18 PM 2019
or

someone winning consistently for years using their mechanical system due to nice money management and a combination of luck

your words gave some hope in dark...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 12, 01:14 AM 2019
Indeed, Elite  :thumbsup:
==============================
Law of the third inspired play

Bet the newest natural split from the two newest dozens

Stop on a win or after nine consecutive misses.

Example: 36,21,1 (newest spin value)

Bet 21/24 & 1/4 once:     1.) 12(x)-2

Bet 21/24 & 9/12 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 12, 01:27 AM 2019
Add zero and play for up to seven
spins (five numbers in play).  Stop on a win.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 12, 04:18 AM 2019
vadi clues   , i think can b below


- flat betting  ( my view:bet on numbers without progression)
- balance  (My view:max numbers to bet should be <10)
- paired numbers( bet on paird numbrs too)
- following the wheel(bet on latest drop numberes)
- doubles (12)
- singles (24)
- using dropped numbers to predict future drops(i guess its now mirror concept,lands and doubles)
- thinking in terms of even numbers: 4, 8, 12, 24, 36( this i thinnk represents  different stages in a cycle,  means, after 4 spins, 8 spins, 24 spins, what happend and count of doubles , singels etc, so if any imbalnce then use that in your favour keeping in mind remaining spins in that cycle and law of third constants)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 12, 04:28 AM 2019
based on above facts and roulette ghost prediction,(with luck and balance management can be winner)...luck will count if imbalance goes towards balance, but if not then luck to bad luck, and  cycle goes to next cycle, until, profit or loss of that session....
i think we need roulette ghost more than roulette luck to cope with this situation .. one thought
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 12, 04:45 AM 2019
one cycle, based on law of third, seems like , 12 spins to wait and then enter in cycle, better,. If after 12 spins, suppose 11 came and one doubles then now from 12 to 24 , how much max new numbrs can come?  keeping tht  total will be 24 numbers to show...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 12, 05:03 AM 2019
with 12  repeats
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Shogun on Jan 12, 11:23 AM 2019
Notto has given us some very useful stats on non hits and repeats in a 40 spin cycle.
I think it’s something like:
Spins 11-20 is 3 repeats.
21 -30 is 5 and and 31-40 is 7.
Theses are averages.
Check out for yourself. Maybe this can help.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 12, 01:12 PM 2019
Did this get overlooked,
bet 33 and 2 neighbours each side
1 -5 + 36
bet 33 and 1   2 neighbours each side
10 -10
bet 33;1;10
19 -15
bet 33;1;10;19  2 neighbours each side
16 -20 +36
bet 33;1;10;19;16  2 neighbours each side
22 -25
bet 33;1;10;19;16;22  2 neighbours each side
17 -30
bet 33;1;10;19;16;22;17  2 neighbours each side
9 -35 +36
bet 33;1;10;19;16;22;17;9  2 neighbours each side
16 -40 +108

bets -180  total +216 here he shows 8 spins is the win from balance

xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18252.0


Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 12, 01:26 PM 2019
i think , no HG, exists.I mean, a consistent way to win every time,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 12, 01:31 PM 2019
Did this get overlooked,
bet 33 and 2 neighbours each side
1 -5 + 36
bet 33 and 1   2 neighbours each side
10 -10
bet 33;1;10
19 -15
bet 33;1;10;19  2 neighbours each side
16 -20 +36
bet 33;1;10;19;16  2 neighbours each side
22 -25
bet 33;1;10;19;16;22  2 neighbours each side
17 -30
bet 33;1;10;19;16;22;17  2 neighbours each side
9 -35 +36
bet 33;1;10;19;16;22;17;9  2 neighbours each side
16 -40 +108

bets -180  total +216 here he shows 8 spins is the win from balance

xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18252.0

Great find Notto. I completely believe in playing hit numbers and neighbors from the wheel.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 12, 02:25 PM 2019
Did this get overlooked,
bet 33 and 2 neighbours each side
1 -5 + 36
bet 33 and 1   2 neighbours each side
10 -10
bet 33;1;10
19 -15
bet 33;1;10;19  2 neighbours each side
16 -20 +36
bet 33;1;10;19;16  2 neighbours each side
22 -25
bet 33;1;10;19;16;22  2 neighbours each side
17 -30
bet 33;1;10;19;16;22;17  2 neighbours each side
9 -35 +36
bet 33;1;10;19;16;22;17;9  2 neighbours each side
16 -40 +108

bets -180  total +216 here he shows 8 spins is the win from balance

xs://x.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18252.0

Notto I am just a little confused with the above method. Once you get a hit and are in profit you are not resetting back to one number and 2 wheel neighbors?

I see if numbers overlap you just add another unit on to the number that has overlapped. Just wondering if you reset one you win and are in profit? Or do you continue adding hit numbers and their neighbors?

Thanks
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 12, 09:26 PM 2019
A test.
Play hit nrs.  Reset at new high.  When past 8 nrs, keep on adding. On a hit, delete the nr and make sure the neighbours +1/-1 have a unit on them.  If not, a unit on the neighbours.  If they're already full, just delete the hit one.  Stop if lose with 24 nrs? Or if 200 below high?  Or after 37 spins without a nh?

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 12, 09:31 PM 2019
New two columns singles scheme :)

Note the newest two columns to show (this will be your playing area)

12,34,3 (newest spin-value)-Columns one and three are active.

Only bet the newest six numbers from these two columns and zero once.

Repeat steps if miss.  Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 25,36,23,24,12,25,14.8,18,32,29 (newest spin-value)

Second and Third columns are the newest to hit.

Bet the newest six in these two columns and zero once.
(Bet 29,32,18,8,14,12,0 once):    1.) 1(x)-7

First and second columns are the newest.

Bet the newest six in these two columns and zero once.
(Bet 1,29,32,8,14,25,0....)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 12, 09:56 PM 2019
Proof, are you testing all those ideas or is this brainstorming?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 12, 09:59 PM 2019
A bit of both.  I do some manual testing, but don't have RX for charts.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 12, 09:59 PM 2019
General,
What's your take on Vaddi's supposed ''magic nr''?  I.e. how many nrs do you play?  Only the nrs that have a crazy stdev or their neighbours too? How wide?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 12, 10:01 PM 2019
A bit of both.  I do some manual testing, but don't have RX for charts.

Good.  I don't have Rx either but the equivalent is possible with excel.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 12, 10:08 PM 2019
A test.
Play hit nrs.  Reset at new high.  When past 8 nrs, keep on adding. On a hit, delete the nr and make sure the neighbours +1/-1 have a unit on them.  If not, a unit on the neighbours.  If they're already full, just delete the hit one.  Stop if lose with 24 nrs? Or if 200 below high?  Or after 37 spins without a nh?

This is better than bad...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 12, 10:47 PM 2019
A bit of both.  I do some manual testing, but don't have RX for charts.
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From this site u can download RX free activated
xs://real-free.ru/programs-for-playing-casino-in-roulette
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 12, 10:58 PM 2019
Unfortunately my breznievnyeskaia porogoroz is not so good... (hope it doesn't mean anything...!)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 12, 11:14 PM 2019
I appreciate the help Elite, but the language is a barrier for me. 
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 13, 12:33 AM 2019
open site in chrome , and translate into english

xs://real-free.ru/programs-for-playing-casino-in-roulette/roulette-xtreme-2-0.html
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Let Me Win on Jan 13, 05:48 AM 2019
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Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 13, 06:15 AM 2019
I give away much more than I sell Let Me Win.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 13, 07:01 AM 2019
Two-Hit Single Tactic

Track for eight unique singles.  When a repeat outcome shows
bet that number and +1 and -1 numerically for up to 12 spins.

Example: 31,14,9,0,23,6,29,14 (newest spin-value)

Bet 13,14,15 for up to 12 spins.  Stop on a win.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nichedelico on Jan 13, 02:04 PM 2019
This is better than bad...


wow! i'll try it!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Mako on Jan 13, 04:31 PM 2019
This is better than bad...

Interesting, will try to set aside some time this week to throw some RX spins at it.  Nice Ben.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 14, 01:30 AM 2019
Two-Hit Single Tactic

Track for eight unique singles.  When a repeat outcome shows
bet that number and +1 and -1 numerically for up to 12 spins.

Example: 31,14,9,0,23,6,29,14 (newest spin-value)

Bet 13,14,15 for up to 12 spins.  Stop on a win.

Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Monday, January 14, 2019 @ 12:02am CST USA

...31,00,12,20,36,13,34,13 (newest spin-value)

Bet 12,13,14 for up to 12 spins.  Stop on a win.

1.) 15(x)-3               2.) 30(x)-3               3.) 11(x)-3

4.) 1(x)-3                 5.) 33(x)-3               6.) 26(x)-3

7.) 13(win)+33
---------------------------------------------------------------------
+15
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Monday, January 14, 2019 @ 12:23am CST USA

...28,33,28 (newest spin-value)

Bet 27,28,29 for up to 12 spins.  Stop on a win.

1.) 9(x)-3                 2.) 16(x)-3               3.) 7(x)-3

4.) 18(x)-3               5.) 34(x)-3               6.) 29(win)+33
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
+18
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 14, 02:37 AM 2019
Modi system 8 lines..
I right vertically ....  It's sequential pairing..  Same suggested by vadii...  Here first  two lines
1 3 5 7 9 11
2 4 6 8 10 12

Vertically. First two lines. Same others...
Pairing next number .

1 2
3 4
5 6
7 8
9 10
11 12

First 18 numbers he keeping two rows with 5 numbers and two with  4 no. Row.. Similar structure is for 18 to 36 section

May be one 5 no row should b played with 4 no... Row  based on trigger.
9 no bet with balance number of 9
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 14, 02:58 AM 2019
Vaddi indicated nine numbers as the balance number,
but the hit rate suffers unless the system is near perfect.
==============================
New idea  ;D

Seventh and Eighth outcome with +1 number

Note the seventh and eighth outcomes.  Bet those two
numbers and a +1 number numerically on both respectively. 

Repeat with the newest spin-values each spin. 
Stop on a win or after nine consecutive misses.

Example: 12,3,9,0,14,3,27,36 (newest spin-value)

Bet 12,13 & 3,4 once:    1.) 20(x)-4

Bet 3,4 & 9,10 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 14, 04:16 AM 2019
Vaadi indicated. I think 8 numbers.... I hope u able to download RX.   Eager to see some graph... Moreover I found one app name.  number_filter.1.0 on same site May b that can of interest too.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 14, 07:39 AM 2019
REG:MODI
on roulette wheel,  2nd  12 are not randomly distributed, they are either on right side of 0 or opposite of that .
that of course what i see is the dealer advantage.(he can avoid throwing on this or away if most bets on 2nd dozen numbers, i guess).
thinking this way, if numbers on roulette wheel are also same as on table, how  it was easy for dealer and player both to take advantage.
Roulette wheel distribution gives edge to house, not easy for dealer to hit particular dozen numbers, as neighbors numbers are surrounding by other dozen numbers, so no one can easily guess what dealer trying to do..and may be MOD1 designed a way to  somehow figure based on patterns which area dealer will try to hit, in future based on past 6 spins, one thought..

so if suppose 6 spins no 2nd dozen showed then we see some numbers which are neighbors of 2nd dozen, so that means, for sure dealer trying to  hit 2nd dozen, and that time if we are on same area numbers, that can be advantage,, may be because of that MOD1 said, we cannot beat random, but in cases based on patterns can take advantage, ,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 14, 08:06 AM 2019
what is vaadi holy grail promising, you will never loose, as i too not loosing after reading his clues,,

what i found is Holy grail  roulette ........................................., not to play roulette, you will never loose :):)

he spend 18 months in testing roulette, and after that he found, in 10 minutes, he can earn 35 dollars.
I think if he spend so much time in doing PHD research, he will definitely earn  300 dollar  for one hour lecture  without risking any money,.
Guranteed profit
and why he gave clues is , so that others will also suffer as he suffered for   2 years, may be  :):)
.. He missed reall holy grail...:P
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 14, 08:22 AM 2019

 What Vaadi  published is , seems like it was during his testing, and he also told, how he will play online roulette to remain in cover .
So all his theory is before going in real battle. Rx extreme charts very promising, where we no fear of loosing money where there is no enemy, but real game play is different, where casino tracking every spin, where dealer constantly looking on winner list  , where pitboss, eyes on profit and loss and where dealer, pit boss, all have fear to loose their job , if they will not generate profit for casino..
How heavily guarded casino house, ? a lot more , ..

so real chart is that which is based on actual game play, that  can b followed, but Vaadi , unfortunate didn't showed any chart, so everything is assumption, may be his system work or not, no surety, as no proof ever been seen,

Moreoever, casino what i see is not having only 2.70 % house edge, thery are having 70% hosue edge, because dealer can spot a sector, they cut off every method , which can win, VB, Computer prediction.They  want player to play randomly but from their side, are thy random?

House edge of 2.70 percent lies when game is totally random, which is not..one thought
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 14, 09:28 AM 2019
Decoding Vaadi System;
i think no one exactly decoded how he was playing.For his system to decode , we need to understand its clues giving pattern or way..
I like  his way of giving clues :) what he discoved , worth or not, not much that

here take example of his first post ..

Vaadi:"As I've said, I won't tell you what that perfect number is, but it's between 6 and 10"
 clue he given  then look at 2nd clue

Vaadi:And if you read my above posts, that X number is a factor of a bigger number that I've quoted.
 Now decode:  what we see is biggest number he quoted is 10 ? (factors of 10 = 1, 2, 5, and 10)
but no one is bigger than 6 and less than 10  then what he quoted biggest number.......
its not 6 not 10 , its 16 (6+10)
factors of 16 are (1, 2, 4, 8, 16)
then to find final his magic number, (its greater than 6 and less than 10  which can be ....8 :)



Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Scarface on Jan 14, 09:34 AM 2019
I'm sure its 8.  Because 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36.  You need 1 hit in 36 number to break even
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Winner on Jan 14, 09:48 AM 2019
It’s 8 it’s 9its 6 wtf giving it up dudes a guy came along fed you some bullshit and you guys are still trying to pick up the shits . Make your lunch money and go home.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 14, 10:19 AM 2019
It’s 8 it’s 9its 6 wtf giving it up dudes a guy came along fed you some bullshit and you guys are still trying to pick up the shits . Make your lunch money and go home.
Yes Winner; your right, singles,then splits or is it pairs. On various trackers you can see non-hit come for 18 or 20 spins and pairing still miss those non-hit.

There'd be better taking the average for repeats over 40 spins of 1-3-5-7; but watch the non-hits. As non-hit decrease it's obvious repeats are going to happen even with 1/37 spin mentality.
The next quetion is when do hit once go R1; then R2' this is where the balance comes; comes to what, that thing called LOTT, that the general and his buddies threw out to confuse, but the best of it, the 10'000 star burst spins he gave all show this phenomenon called LOTT
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 14, 10:46 AM 2019
It’s 8 it’s 9its 6 wtf giving it up dudes

Hey Weener, it could be 7 also.  Don't forget nr7.  Never, ever, forget nr7.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 14, 12:03 PM 2019
i not able to get any clue man , all i m doing is , i stopped play,, :)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 14, 12:04 PM 2019
it seems for me, that Vad gave clue , so ppl play accordingly and loose and he will not be able to spot by casino, using similar kind of technique .
else he will not disappear ,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Shogun on Jan 14, 12:11 PM 2019
Hey Weener, it could be 7 also.  Don't forget nr7.  Never, ever, forget nr7.

This made me laugh 😂
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 14, 12:16 PM 2019
i not able to get any clue man , all i m doing is , i stopped play,, :)

If you just play for fun, it's ok to lose, just like any hockey player: they'll play again for fun even after a loss.
If you get down because you lost money and you were seriously thinking you'd win, there is a problem.

High expectations opens the way to deceptions.

Or, consider Vaddi's clue: even a 10 y-old would understand.
Think like a child, forget everything too complicated.

But I'm sure in the end it'S no HG that Vaddi found, at least not with RNGs.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Winner on Jan 14, 03:05 PM 2019
Hey Weener, it could be 7 also.  Don't forget nr7.  Never, ever, forget nr7.
If you keep playing this game all you will be able to afford is wieners  all beef are good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 14, 03:11 PM 2019
Yes.  The ones at Costco are just 1.50$ plus a soft drink!
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: The General on Jan 14, 03:40 PM 2019
If you keep playing this game all you will be able to afford is wieners  all beef are good  :thumbsup:

Too many nitrates.  Headaches, heart disease and cancer.  Avoid processed meats.  Off the bone meats are much better.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 14, 10:44 PM 2019
So. What I see after reading all experienced players views .there is no way for long term winning... Casino pockets are too tights to take money out...: (
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Winner on Jan 14, 11:42 PM 2019
So. What I see after reading all experienced players views .there is no way for long term winning... Casino pockets are too tights to take money out...: (
Tight like a virgin
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 14, 11:53 PM 2019
Don't be blue Elite.  "Necessity is the mother of invention"

Meanwhile I have this idea  ^-^
==============================
Last four Reds vs Blacks Plus High/Low Mirror Pair plus Zero
(Nine numbers in play)

Procedure: Note the newest outcome.  Is it Red or Black?

Bet the newest four Red or Black spin-values, the opposite
High/Low mirror number respectively and a chip on zero once.

Repeat steps with the newest outcome's trigger.
Stop on a win or after four consecutive misses.

Example: 31,5,17,31,2,29,33,5,18,35,27,11,4 (newest spin-value)

Bet 4,31:    11,26:    35,2:      33,6,0 once:    1.) 36(x)-9

Bet 36,3:    27,12:    18,21:    5,32,0 once....

*1st number spin-value, mirror number listed
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 15, 01:31 AM 2019
virgin

Then how to kum out  if situation... So tight
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 15, 01:40 AM 2019
Here what I experienced after vaadi clues.
Magic no is multiple of biggest no he quoted.
24 biggest no. And multiple is 8
So he say play on 8 no to loose instead  of  more than 8...  8 balance no. So with 120 units it will take  20  minutes for casino  to take out all your money.


😉
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 15, 03:02 AM 2019
Elite plz cheer up  :thumbsup:  We'll get there.
==============================
New tactic  ^-^   ^-^

Bet the last decision and three numbers numerically lower and
higher each spin with a chip on zero.  Repeat for each new spin value.

Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: #30 (newest spin-value)

Bet 27,28,29,30,31,32,33 & 0 once:   1.) 23(x)-8

Bet 20,21,22,23,24,25,26,0....

*If #1,#2,#3 or #36,#35,#34 shows,
wrap around to the highest/lowest number.

Example: #2 (newest spin-value)

Bet 35,36,1,2,3,4,5,0 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 16, 12:43 AM 2019
After giving all clues. And how to play. Based on pairs.. What VAD said at the end.... He will not reveal his simple formula method.... And that method of play is serious damage.  He designed method based on the clues he given... If it's so simple on pairing and double  ..lands. then this he already reveal..... But actual method of play is similar to this but he didn't reveal...

During his testing... He consider mirror also.. But it  was his deep thinking only. I think so
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 16, 03:32 AM 2019
Actual method of play is in such form that is consistent win and if lot of ppl adopt that way to place bets. Then it can be banned... Thinking on way. I m stuck how to manage this with magic no. And without progression
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 16, 05:16 AM 2019
Did a little research

In a typical 12 spins you should have eight uniques and two twice hit singles.

That said here's my idea...
==============================
If a single repeats at least once (twice hit or more) bet that number
and the +1 numerically ahead for up to nine spins. (two numbers). 

If another twice hit repeat shows within 12 spins bet that
number and the +1 numerically ahead for up to nine spins.

Stop on a win or after -36 units drawdown.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Example: 12,31,0,25,9,13,12,1,22,34,6,15 (newest spin-value)

Bet 12,13 for up to nine spins:    1.) 0(x)-2*

Bet 12,13 and 0,1 for up to nine spins respectively.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 16, 06:35 AM 2019
i am  manually testing on real spins, every day, 100 spins, applying differnt combinations, still now, i can say, HG not discovered, but i leaned a lot ..
this system, is useful, in tracking shift in game, then what to do, with magic no 7 or 8 without progression , not sure :)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 16, 06:40 AM 2019
i am  manually testing on real spins, every day, 100 spins, applying differnt combinations, still now, i can say, HG not discovered, but i leaned a lot ..
this system, is useful, in tracking shift in game, then what to do, with magic no 7 or 8 without progression , not sure :). few times, i able to figure out few numbers coming up, based on law of third, but that was with sixth sence, no system,,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 16, 06:42 AM 2019
few spins for today, may be u can apply ur technique and see how balance goes .
Few number dancing uniformly , but most not :(
ayk Ghost production, givining new tracker, hope all having this
x://ayk.bplaced.net/tracker8/
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 16, 07:06 AM 2019
something foundatation..
Quote from: Andrey86Pak on July 25, 2013, 10:21:51 PM
Hi  Vaddi!
This topic is related to the Holy Grail.
x://x.money-maker-machine.com/forum/silvers-room/roulette-numbers-data-extractor-player-(rss-pro-for-playtech)/
Are you wrote that:
Quote
try this sleepers method:

1) Spin the wheel 37 times or track 37 spins at a live online casino.

2) Flat-bet straight up, on ...

14, or ...
15, or ...
16, or
17 numbers that have not hit within those 37 spins.

If your first bet wins, continue tracking.

If your first bet loses, bet a second time.

If your second bet wins, continue tracking.

If your second bet loses, continue tracking.

Tracking for another 37 spins is easy: Remove numbers from the bottom of the landed numbers column so that you will always have 37 spins in the column. Use the Remove button to achieve this.

Don't bet on less than 14 numbers. And don't bet on more than 17 numbers.

If there are less than 14 numbers that don't hit within the 37 spins, don't bet. Continue adding numbers that land, then removing numbers from the bottom of the landed column to maintain 37 spins in the column.

If there are more than 17 numbers that don't hit within the 37 spins, don't bet. Continue adding numbers that land, then removing numbers from the bottom of the landed column to maintain 37 spins in the column.

Don't use any progression with this strategy. Only flat-bet.
   
Let me know how it goes.



The above approach is what eventually led to my ultimate discoveries. Smiley

That original train of thought was a major stepping stone.

It's amazing how an idea can spark other ideas to the point where you see a much bigger picture.

The grail is where it's at, and it involves out-of-the-box thinking that was born out of the above quoted approach. Wink

- Vaddi
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 16, 07:48 AM 2019
seems, like all have given up. or found and quiet :(
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 16, 10:59 AM 2019
Not quiet, sleeping :)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 16, 12:41 PM 2019
1) Spin the wheel 37 times or track 37 spins at a live online casino.

2) Flat-bet straight up, on ...
14, or ...
15, or ...
16, or
17 numbers that have not hit within those 37 spins.
If your first bet wins, continue tracking.
If your first bet loses, bet a second time.
If your second bet wins, continue tracking.
If your second bet loses, continue tracking.

Don't bet on less than 14 numbers. And don't bet on more than 17 numbers.
Don't use any progression with this strategy. Only flat-bet.

This is what it should ressemble, if I understand right.
Delete nrs from column E and  ''Bring your own numbers''!



Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 16, 01:46 PM 2019
If you guy are planning to bet 14+ numbers (unless you are
playing RNG) you will realistically have 10 seconds to place your bets. 

*Maybe you can place seven or eight splits in that time.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: clivetwo on Jan 16, 02:04 PM 2019
I have got this Holy Grail sorted I have been using it for three nights in a row and stop on £1000 per night.
It is so simple and no need to analyse anything.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 16, 02:06 PM 2019
Sure!

Would you mind giving clues other than the ones already repeated over and over here?
 
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: clivetwo on Jan 16, 02:25 PM 2019
Just stopped today's session £1,372.00 using £5 per number on 5 numbers.
This is on a live roulette dealer wheel with changing dealers every 18 to 20 spins, this changeover has not made any difference to my play strategy, I just carry on betting as normal. I have to go out and pick up the kids and maybe back at 10 pm and will fill in the rest. Back soon.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 16, 02:42 PM 2019
Okay,

1) Do you only play numbers or do you go down to splits, quads, streets?
2) Do you always play one base unit on all bets or do some have 2u, others only one?
3) How many numbers?  Fixed or variable?

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: buffalowizard on Jan 16, 02:47 PM 2019
I have got this Holy Grail sorted I have been using it for three nights in a row and stop on £1000 per night.
It is so simple and no need to analyse anything.
With all due respect, 3 nights of wins in a row does not a holy grail make.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: clivetwo on Jan 16, 06:09 PM 2019
Hi, I am back home now.
BUFFALOWIZARD
There is no Holy Grail that exists in winning the roulette wheel, I was meaning that I have got the Vaddis Holy Grail system worked out. I also can say that I have been winning on roulette for the past 12 years with different systems, I can also mention that I have been testing this system on live casino Play For Fun for the last 4 weeks with the same results.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: clivetwo on Jan 16, 06:14 PM 2019
Okay,

1) Do you only play numbers or do you go down to splits, quads, streets?
2) Do you always play one base unit on all bets or do some have 2u, others only one?
3) How many numbers?  Fixed or variable?

I only play single numbers, and there is a progression system, I am presently using 5 numbers but started with eight numbers, this is up to the player how many numbers to choose.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 16, 06:37 PM 2019
I only play single numbers, and there is a progression system, I am presently using 5 numbers but started with eight numbers, this is up to the player how many numbers to choose.

Clive,

Are you using numbers from the top of the board? Are you only using numbers that have appeared? Does the pair chart mean anything? Would you say this is a wheel based method or table layout based? I would be grateful if you can steer some of us in a further direction. Glad to hear you are winning.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nottophammer on Jan 16, 06:44 PM 2019
Pump-it
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Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: clivetwo on Jan 16, 07:20 PM 2019
Clive,

Are you using numbers from the top of the board? Are you only using numbers that have appeared? Does the pair chart mean anything? Would you say this is a wheel based method or table layout based? I would be grateful if you can steer some of us in a further direction. Glad to hear you are winning.

Ok first depending on your bankroll I suggest that you start with 8 numbers, I use only 5 numbers with a bankroll of £1700 getting the early hits for more profit but with a long progression system. Play with 8 numbers until you can use a larger bankroll.

The simple way of this is to look at the first outcome on the Markey, for example, we have 10 numbers on the Markey
when we first view the casino wheel, so, for example, we have ( 27),32,32,34, 22, 26, 35, 15, 21, 17, 31.

I have just taken these 10 numbers straight from the casino plus the next spin which was 27 this is a hit because we have 26. So this is how we bet on these numbers, 33,35,23,27,36,16,22,18. you win on 27 bet each outcome with one unit up, so 32 bet 33 simples and it works. Do not use anything but live roulette dealers, the rest is a scam.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 16, 07:30 PM 2019
Ok first depending on your bankroll I suggest that you start with 8 numbers, I use only 5 numbers with a bankroll of £1700 getting the early hits for more profit but with a long progression system. Play with 8 numbers until you can use a larger bankroll.

The simple way of this is to look at the first outcome on the Markey, for example, we have 10 numbers on the Markey
when we first view the casino wheel, so, for example, we have ( 27),32,32,34, 22, 26, 35, 15, 21, 17, 31.

I have just taken these 10 numbers straight from the casino plus the next spin which was 27 this is a hit because we have 26. So this is how we bet on these numbers, 33,35,23,27,36,16,22,18. you win on 27 bet each outcome with one unit up, so 32 bet 33 simples and it works. Do not use anything but live roulette dealers, the rest is a scam.

So you are only betting the pair numbers, that's it. You don't play one number out? You look at the top 5 on the marquee and bet their pair number. For you do you drop the oldest number and add the new pair number? So your set of 5 is changing by 1 number each spin?

Thank you for info. Very nice of you.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: clivetwo on Jan 16, 07:34 PM 2019
So you are only betting the pair numbers, that's it. You don't play one number out? You look at the top 5 on the marquee and bet their pair number. For you do you drop the oldest number and add the new pair number? So your set of 5 is changing by 1 number each spin?

Thank you for info. Very nice of you.

Yes pick the first 5 and if no hit pick the next new outcome number to add to my five.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: clivetwo on Jan 16, 07:53 PM 2019
 marquee first set 7,4,36,24,36,1,35,29,32,23   BET  8,5,0,25,2. NEXT NUMBER OUTCOME 9, BET 10, 8, 5, 0, 25,
Do not worry about duplicate numbers just use one number above and pass the duplicate number and carry on.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 16, 08:10 PM 2019
How are you implementing a progression? After 7 misses are you adding a unit? As someone who plays live wheels,  it is a very regular occurrence to see the numbers line up the way you are showing. But I also see where a dealer can be in the same 9-12-18 number section or side for long periods. And the oppposite number wouldn't appear for awhile. But it does look good. Thank you for your generous information.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 16, 08:33 PM 2019
Magic no is multiple of biggest no he quoted.
24 biggest no. And multiple is 8

😉

Or 6&4=24.
Or he said 24out, 14 singles, 10 repeats.
So could be 1 24x1
2 12x2
3 3x8
4 4x6
5 5x2
6 6x4
7 7x2
8 8x3
... could be any.

As long as a win costs less or equal to 36.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 16, 09:15 PM 2019
Or 6&4=24.
Or he said 24out, 14 singles, 10 repeats.
So could be 1 24x1
2 12x2
3 3x8
4 4x6
5 5x2
6 6x4
7 7x2
8 8x3
... could be any.

As long as a win costs less or equal to 36.

yes , right, 8 is balance number, and 7 is player advantage..
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 16, 09:59 PM 2019
Ah ha!

How did you get to this conclusion?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 17, 12:28 AM 2019
Ah ha!

How did you get to this conclusion?

1+2+3+4+5+6+7+7=35  in 8 attempts
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 17, 12:30 AM 2019
Hey guys got an idea for you  :thumbsup:
==============================
Zero and Neighbors Plus Newest Two Unique Singles Builder

First bet is five numbers: (American Wheel) 2,0,28 plus newest two
unique singles (or European wheel: 26,0,32 plus newest two unique singles.)

If miss add the newest outcome and bet all six

If miss add the newest outcome and bet all seven, eight, nine
(Stop on a win in any case)

If nine numbers miss end session.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Example: ...34,12 (newest outcome)-European wheel

Bet 26,0,32,34,12 once:    1.) 5(x)-5

Bet 26,0,32,34,12,5 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 17, 12:33 AM 2019
using that mgic no, in 24 spin, need to win only 3 time
while 21 loose, still have profit
24/8=3
so in 24 spins  only 3 wins, and  u in profit, i think something like that
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 17, 12:43 AM 2019
Because of this 8 times 7  .i think vaadi said he will not go in basic mathematics. Else it will confuse. Some players...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 17, 12:47 AM 2019
I think bet is not latest drop and pair... It should be based on facts....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 17, 03:52 AM 2019
Will do analyse this sleeper method today.... To see what can b benefit based on that... All players comments and knowledge.. And thoughts very positive on this forum...
@clive. Analyse skill is one step ahead.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 17, 03:59 AM 2019
I think 7 or 8 bet system should b like that with each add no. Target should b close and close.to hit.. So reach peak. More probability to hit.. Something like that..
Vaddi added one quote...if u r keen observer of roulette wheel as well as close observer of roulette table......

Giving some meaning but couldn't get yet what mean by keen observer of wheel... Close observer meaning... Neighbour numbers I think so.


One tought if numbers spread out wheel then they will b close on table. If they close on wheel they will far away on table...... Idea only

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 17, 04:20 AM 2019
I think a trigger would be involved on the seven
to eight numbers bet, maybe something with the parings?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 17, 05:00 AM 2019
I think a trigger would be involved on the seven
to eight numbers bet, maybe something with the parings?


Yes looks like that.. @ Clive analysis coverd one part.. Neighbours.. Very good thought. But I hope something spicy need to add on top of that... So that progression can be reduced
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 17, 05:19 AM 2019
Really genius ppls.. Who thought differently.... Like Vaadi.. Modi.. And a lot there in cover who develop impressive methods...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 17, 05:44 AM 2019
I read somewhere. There is concept of differential betting in grail type system
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 17, 06:08 AM 2019
Yes pick the first 5 and if no hit pick the next new outcome number to add to my five.

Any other suggestions .as u said u  win frequently.. Any other system or thought to study further
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 17, 06:42 AM 2019
Alright some spice  8)
=============================
Plus One Pairing Trigger Singles Builder

Starting with the last eight outcomes, track
outcomes until you have an ascending match. 

From that point bet the last decision
single, building to up to eight numbers in play.

Example: 12,3,19,25,0,23,7,20 (newest spin-value)

Bet #20:    1.) 27(x)-1

Bet 20,27:    2.) 0(x)-2

Bet 20,27,0....

*Stop on a win at any time.  If all
eight numbers in play miss end session.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 17, 07:33 AM 2019
This is what it should ressemble, if I understand right.
Delete nrs from column E and  ''Bring your own numbers''!


Your excel not opening in my system.. by the way i have OPEN OFFICE,,,not microsft one
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 17, 10:20 AM 2019
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+7=35  in 8 attempts

But on the 8th spin, 7/8 times it will not be the 8th number hitting, 1/8 times it will be the number left behind.  Each number has equal chances of hitting.  Ran sims and each position hits an equal amount of times on the 8th spin.  Or at any spin, actually.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 17, 12:50 PM 2019
7/
these 7 numbers selected should be from HOlyGrail, then it will work:) this selection i not know
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 17, 12:55 PM 2019
i guess, HG , there are possible 3 hits(minum) within 24 numbers.This is the only case it can work, and vaadi somhow found that ,, may be seems like that .when in profit , then reset, and e.g if its blocked state then more chance to hit  hit with 7 numbers, then system will recoup its looses, this is the idea behind,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: buffalowizard on Jan 17, 03:55 PM 2019
Any other suggestions .as u said u  win frequently.. Any other system or thought to study further

Clive said he solved the puzzle and hasnt lost, shouldn't we be testing his way like crazy? Seems to have been palmed off
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 17, 04:20 PM 2019
That's true.  However some think it is a seven or eight number bet using the marquee outcomes.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 17, 04:54 PM 2019
One more idea :)
==============================
Three Column Natural Splits Plus Zero

Note the three newest column outcomes.  Bet
the natural split on each and a chip on zero once. 

Repeat steps with the newest outcome triggers on each spins. 

Stop on a win or after five consecutive misses.

Example: 21,0,31,5,20 (newest spin-value)

Bet 21,24:     31,34:     20,23,0 once:    1.) 16(x)-7

Bet 21,24:     13,16:     20,23,0 once....
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 17, 11:33 PM 2019
Clive said he solved the puzzle and hasnt lost, shouldn't we be testing his way like crazy? Seems to have been palmed off

Yes yesterday I notice in one casino. Doubles dropping more than pair. Seems like many people testing clive system there.. Remember casino  go opposite. >:D
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 17, 11:45 PM 2019
I just tested Clive's Five Number +1 suggestion
Good on European wheel, Mixed results on American.
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Thursday, January 17,2019 @ 10:12pm CST USA

...31,22,12,34,2,2 (newest spin-value)

Bet 32,23,13,35,3:    1.) 5(x)-5

Bet 23,13,35,3,6:      2.) 21(x)-5

Bet 13,35,3,6,22:      3.) 25(x)-5

Bet 35,3,6,22,26:      4.) 1(x)-5

Bet 3,6,22,26,2:        5.) 28(x)-5

Bet 6,22,26,2,29"      6.) 6(win)+31
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+6
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Thursday, January 17,2019 @ 10:18pm CST USA

Session total: -35 units
==============================
Test: Cetic Casino European Wheel-
Thursday, January 17,2019 @ 10:26pm CST USA

...15,18,17,8,13 (newest spin-value)

Bet 16,19,18,9,14:    1.) 16(win)+31
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Thursday, January 17,2019 @ 10:28pm CST USA

...00,8,7,32,25 (newest spin-value)

Bet 1,9,8,33,26:          1.) 22(x)-5

Bet 9,8,33,26,23:        2.) 15(x)-5

Bet 8,33,27,24,16:      3.) 28(x)-5

Bet 33,27,24,16,29:    4.) 34(x)-5

Bet 27,24,16,29,35:    5.) 23(win)+31
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+11
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 18, 12:14 AM 2019
More Clive's Five Number +1 results.
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Thursday, January 17,2019 @ 10:54pm CST USA

...33,16,22,4,28 (newest spin-value)

Bet 34,17,23,5,29:    1.) 17(win)+31
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Thursday, January 17,2019 @ 10:56pm CST USA

Session total: -35 units
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Thursday, January 17,2019 @ 11:04pm CST USA

Session total: -35 units
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 18, 12:37 AM 2019
Clive's Five Number +1 results continued
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino American Wheel-
Thursday, January 17,2019 @ 11:19pm CST USA

...20,31,15,10,21 (newest spin-value)

Bet 21,32,16,11,22:    1.) 0(x)-5

Bet 32,16,11,22,1:       2.) 19(x)-5

Bet 16,11,22,1,20:       3.) 22(win)+31
--------------------------------------------------------------------
+21
==============================
Test: Celtic Casino European Wheel-
Thursday, January 17,2019 @ 11:23pm CST USA

...14,23,30,10,0 (newest spin-value)

Bet 15,24,31,11,1:     1.) 28(x)-5

Bet 24,31,11,1,29:     2.) 2(x)-5

Bet 31,11,1,29,3:       3.) 4(x)-5

Bet 11,1,29,3,5:         4.) 15(x)-5

Bet 1,29,3,5,16:         5.) 8(x)-5

Bet 29,3,5,16,9:         6.) 24(x)-5

Bet 3,5,16,9,25:         7.) 25(win)+31
---------------------------------------------------------------------
+1
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nichedelico on Jan 18, 03:02 AM 2019
Thanks for testing Proof, i think he's using a progression also. Clive quote  "I only play single numbers, and there is a progression system, I am presently using 5 numbers but started with eight numbers, this is up to the player how many numbers to choose."
but what progression?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 18, 06:40 AM 2019
Thanks for testing Proof, i think he's using a progression also. Clive quote  "I only play single numbers, and there is a progression system, I am presently using 5 numbers but started with eight numbers, this is up to the player how many numbers to choose."
but what progression?

Progression can win big using 5 or 6 numbers... But if any day. Bad luck.. Then all profit gone... Depends on bankroll how long u can resist... Clive system is not based on facts.  Law of third never say last 5 neighbour repeats will happen... In 37 spins 24 hits 12 doubles.. These are facts to build long term winning system.. I guess
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 18, 07:02 AM 2019
5 no. Progression start slowly. E. G lost 7 times now increase one unit. So have to increase based on to cover losses... But as non hits happen in longer sequence. Then u ve to increase 4..8..  Units on eachyunhit. Imagine  that u r playing 5 no. And 50 dollar on each no... Then u can better judge ur heart beats.. Seeing 32 uncoverd nos
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 18, 07:08 AM 2019
24 numbers land
12 doubles land

2:1 ratio

Factors 4 and 8

4/12=3
8/24=3

That's the basis of the grail.

8 numbers for doubles + singles strategy

Or only four numbers for doubles only strategy


How do we interpret this riddle?

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nichedelico on Jan 18, 07:26 AM 2019
24 numbers land
12 doubles land

2:1 ratio

Factors 4 and 8

4/12=3
8/24=3

That's the basis of the grail.

8 numbers for doubles + singles strategy

Or only four numbers for doubles only strategy


How do we interpret this riddle?

Maybe playing with restricted table? 4 doubles only on a dozen, 8 numbers on 24 numbers?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 18, 07:28 AM 2019
24 numbers land
12 doubles land

2:1 ratio

Factors 4 and 8

4/12=3
8/24=3

That's the basis of the grail.

8 numbers for doubles + singles strategy

Or only four numbers for doubles only strategy


How do we interpret this riddle?

step 1:my guess..
start your every cycle when there are no hits within 7 numbers . now you will encounter with 17 new numbers only ,within 30 spins..
so our starting point is set for our game play in each session.So will never bet until 7 singles drop in sequence.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 18, 07:43 AM 2019
Maybe playing with restricted table? 4 doubles only on a dozen, 8 numbers on 24 numbers?

You might be right Nichedelico. Winner said this a couple of weeks ago. Just focus on repeats in 1 dozen. A lot of people thought Turbo only concentrated on numbers that had appeared in the first dozen.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 18, 07:44 AM 2019
step 1:my guess..
start your every cycle when there are no hits within 7 numbers . now you will encounter with 17 new numbers only ,within 30 spins..
so our starting point is set for our game play in each session.So will never bet until 7 singles drop in sequence.

24/8 =3 means, i guess, if u play until 24 spins then
3 wins at sequence of 8 numbers
 if u start playing 1+2+3.. and on 8 u win =balance = 0
8 onwards 16 , u win on 16 , then balance 0
16 onwards 24 u  win , balance =0 .
with 8 numbers u are in balance mode to play roulette, increaseing that u will b in loss
12/4 =3 means that i not know :)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 18, 07:48 AM 2019
I saw in one forum where a guy was predicting 6 numbers  wihtout even seeing roulette wheel and was successful, 3 times out of 4, from there i still laughing on all roulette computers, dealer signatures players and manufacturer of systems who are selling their system  5k euro, 20 k euro, 70k euro..:)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 18, 07:53 AM 2019
any one can explain what is this 12/4 =3 tq
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: nichedelico on Jan 18, 08:14 AM 2019
Maybe someone already think about that but this could be an idea?
Like Vaddi said:
You can play at any time so bet on the first number you see on marquee and so on until 8, or if you see 8 numbers without repetition start to bet ( but with the 1% changing game).
The 1% maybe it will be like:
if you start betting from 1 number and no winning in first 8,  change the bet to the last 4 with +1 pair on the table (so flat bet, same chips like first stage), 1 chip on doubles and half on singles (in cents--> First stage 20 cents x numbers / Second stage 4+4 20 on double and 20 on split, or 30 on double and 10 on single if we have to go at the bottom of the table with the pair...maybe if we play 2 chips only on doubles results will be the same?). Winning 24/74 spins. Same thing if you see 8 numbers with no rep play at the same time with last 4. I've tried few session with good results ,but you know only few session. But i think respect Vaddi's clue or not?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 18, 08:23 AM 2019
Looking at 12 outcomes of the 00 Roulette marquee just now.  Three numbers hit twice.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 18, 08:33 AM 2019
Depending on the position of the repeating nr, if running the 123..8 step, would you have missed a repeater?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 18, 08:35 AM 2019
I wrote the numbers down:

...21,2,16,5,32,36,29,11,29,16,24,11 (newest outcome)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 18, 08:36 AM 2019
Last nr on the right?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 18, 08:37 AM 2019
Correct
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 18, 08:45 AM 2019
He said you have to bet each number 8 times. After the 8th spin you drop the oldest number.  He said it's impossible to get every repeater so that's why you have to play singles plus doubles. I was at a table last week and 19 straight uniques came out. He said the profits go up and down in perfect waves flatbetting. So you may have a significant drawdown but eventually you reach a new profit high and reset.
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 18, 09:25 AM 2019
small mofication in HolyGrail by clive
HolyGrailV2.
if no repeat on lastest 5 numbers then bet on those 5 number pair + lastest 5th number drawn, so total =6 units
if no win then on 6th spin, lastest 5 numbers pair and 5th and 6th spin latest number..=total 7
block state until win, changing with each number

why i got this idea of 2 lastest number is because vaadi metoned that in real wheel, frequently hit, top nos, so this way this system can b a little balance,or bet on 7 pairs until one double hit from marquee list, then include two latest numbers and other 5 pairs....but during tacking if singles more than expected (keeping 24 hits in 37 cycles with 12 repeats..) in that case now for sure singles going to be double, that case we can switch , bet to latest 5 sinlges + latest 2 pair, one idea, may b any one can test this one..as pair working for clive, so i hope this will add a spice on tht system  and we keeping law of third stats also in this system , so hope it will hve better successs.

for first 5 spins why i said is Vaadi also metioned if you need more accuracy then wait unitl no double in your magic no,
so what i made this system keeping all his clues some how to mange with 7 numbers
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 18, 09:32 AM 2019
latest two numbers will capture,
doubles hits together, e.g 29 , 29
or double after one single
e.g as Proof read got numbers
29,11,29
and also will cover another most frequent pattren,
29,11,11, ..

and with HolyGrialV2, we have pair advantage also, keeping balance of game in mind, switching pairs to singles and singles o pairs,
based on testing experince, further

if it still not works as expected, means, profit in 24 spins  then will need to add more spice :)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 18, 09:40 AM 2019
So target is to run Vaadi "Grail Machine",which is outof order from few years :)
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Irish88 on Jan 18, 09:41 AM 2019
24 numbers land
12 doubles land

2:1 ratio

Factors 4 and 8

4/12=3
8/24=3

That's the basis of the grail.

8 numbers for doubles + singles strategy

Or only four numbers for doubles only strategy


How do we interpret this riddle?

Looking at the above

The 4/12=3   four numbers for doubles only strategy.

Maybe you only  bet the last 4 numbers only.

8/24=3 singles and doubles strategy

You take the last 4 spins and also add their pair number and bet those. He always said it's about the last 4 spins. And that the numbers will connect in further spins.

Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 18, 09:46 AM 2019
my sixth sence says magic is in 12/4 =3 and 24/8=3 .it seem like some sort of code,.
if divide roulette in 4 parts then 24 is 3/4 of that part, and  12 are 1/4 of that part
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 18, 10:01 AM 2019
Looking at the above

The 4/12=3   four numbers for doubles only strategy.

Maybe you only  bet the last 4 numbers only.

8/24=3 singles and doubles strategy

You take the last 4 spins and also add their pair number and bet those. He always said it's about the last 4 spins. And that the numbers will connect in further spins.


he also mentioned each cycle starts with all numbers 0 ... then 0 converts to 1 and one converts to 2, so in our inital stage if we are on 1 then most numbers comming up are from 0 to 1 and we can loose,, so i said, use pairing during initial game play , however, if any doubles comes,  then take latest 2  numbers, if another double comes, then use 4 or 5 numbers for double, it depends, how game is going on,
if u noted he asked in which stage doubles can come, in the beginning or middle or end, so as per normal behaviour, doubles will come after singles are in some quantity .based on that i devised this system, will see it works or not, :)

inital game play can be only on pair of 5 numbres, but once double came, take 2 latest numbers, if another came, then 4 on singles and 3 on pairs, keeping stats also of that cycle, if e,.g double reach to 12 within 30 spins, then there is no point to bet on singles for remaining 7 spins  as per law of third. so considering this, now we need to choose latest numbers neighbours if forward one hit already then take backward number, if that also hit then take  one no next to forward no pair, and keep going on that way, for ramaing 7 spins, as more chance unhit numbers are going to land, this way one cycle can be completed,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Elite on Jan 18, 10:15 AM 2019
during pairing gameplay , means hunt for singles , if pair number already hit then no pair with that number, pair with previous no , if that also hit, then use next to next number, and track this way,

this i think more better approach, and with this if many players using one table, then no one can be spotted, as all will be on different stage of the game, but with first game play , either pair, or doubles, very easy for casino to track it out and play opposite and even though that  if succssful, eventually will turn into loss.
I think based on law of third and stats this appraoch is better during hunt of sleepers, to be turn on singles,
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: clivetwo on Jan 18, 12:01 PM 2019
Hi, Guys, this is my progression not a very good one but seems to work for me, as you can see from my winnings I have only once gon past 6 spins and that was to spin 8.

Someone also asked what other systems I use well this system relates a lot to this thread and I urge you to try it if you don't already do so.

Siple just wait for a repeater then bet the next number below and the next number up just 2 numbers unless there are more than one repeat in the marquee and you want to bet on more numbers.

For example, 19 10 35 16 19 comes in bet 18 and 20. this works as good as the other system.


Spin Bet    Spots   Profit   Bankroll               
1     5       5            155       25           WINS   
2     5       5            130       50         £130.00         
3     5       5            105       75         £12.00         
4     5       5              80             100         £55.00         
5     5       5              55             125         £130.00         
6     5       5              30             150         £55.00         
7     5       5                5             175         £130.00         
8     6       5              11             205         £130.00         
9     7       5              12             240         £155.00         
10     8       5                8             280         £155.00         
11     10       5              30             330         £130.00         
12     11       5              11             385         £105.00         
13     13       5              18             450         £55.00         
14     15       5              15             525         £130.00         
15     17       5                2             610         £30.00         
16     20       5              10             710               
17     23       5                3             825               
18     27       5              12             960               
19     31       5                1             1115               
20     36       5                1             1295     TOTAL PROFIT            
21     42       5                7             1505        £1,402.00      
                           
                           
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jan 18, 01:04 PM 2019
Hi, Guys, this is my progression not a very good one but seems to work for me, as you can see from my winnings I have only once gon past 6 spins and that was to spin 8.

Someone also asked what other systems I use well this system relates a lot to this thread and I urge you to try it if you don't already do so.

Siple just wait for a repeater then bet the next number below and the next number up just 2 numbers unless there are more than one repeat in the marquee and you want to bet on more numbers.

For example, 19 10 35 16 19 comes in bet 18 and 20. this works as good as the other system.


Spin Bet    Spots   Profit   Bankroll               
1     5       5            155       25           WINS   
2     5       5            130       50         £130.00         
3     5       5            105       75         £12.00         
4     5       5              80             100         £55.00         
5     5       5              55             125         £130.00         
6     5       5              30             150         £55.00         
7     5       5                5             175         £130.00         
8     6       5              11             205         £130.00         
9     7       5              12             240         £155.00         
10     8       5                8             280         £155.00         
11     10       5              30             330         £130.00         
12     11       5              11             385         £105.00         
13     13       5              18             450         £55.00         
14     15       5              15             525         £130.00         
15     17       5                2             610         £30.00         
16     20       5              10             710               
17     23       5                3             825               
18     27       5              12             960               
19     31       5                1             1115               
20     36       5                1             1295     TOTAL PROFIT            
21     42       5                7             1505        £1,402.00

if you check back on one of my comments on a thread this was my very first starting point...only i bet the higher number...of the repeat...
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: buffalowizard on Jan 18, 01:09 PM 2019
if you check back on one of my comments on a thread this was my very first starting point...only i bet the higher number...of the repeat...
Was it a long term winner 6th?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: buffalowizard on Jan 18, 01:13 PM 2019
Hi, Guys, this is my progression not a very good one but seems to work for me, as you can see from my winnings I have only once gon past 6 spins and that was to spin 8.

Someone also asked what other systems I use well this system relates a lot to this thread and I urge you to try it if you don't already do so.

Siple just wait for a repeater then bet the next number below and the next number up just 2 numbers unless there are more than one repeat in the marquee and you want to bet on more numbers.

For example, 19 10 35 16 19 comes in bet 18 and 20. this works as good as the other system.


Spin Bet    Spots   Profit   Bankroll               
1     5       5            155       25           WINS   
2     5       5            130       50         £130.00         
3     5       5            105       75         £12.00         
4     5       5              80             100         £55.00         
5     5       5              55             125         £130.00         
6     5       5              30             150         £55.00         
7     5       5                5             175         £130.00         
8     6       5              11             205         £130.00         
9     7       5              12             240         £155.00         
10     8       5                8             280         £155.00         
11     10       5              30             330         £130.00         
12     11       5              11             385         £105.00         
13     13       5              18             450         £55.00         
14     15       5              15             525         £130.00         
15     17       5                2             610         £30.00         
16     20       5              10             710               
17     23       5                3             825               
18     27       5              12             960               
19     31       5                1             1115               
20     36       5                1             1295     TOTAL PROFIT            
21     42       5                7             1505        £1,402.00

For the second system, do you rebet on new repeaters as they come in?
For example

36
12
8
36 bet 35 and 1?
28
30
23
11
10
9
10 now bet 9 and 11?
 Thanks BW
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: 6th-sense on Jan 18, 01:15 PM 2019
Was it a long term winner 6th?

Not long term no.on its own and doesn’t include the pairing chart.
Anything on ayks tracker needs to be tested wth real spins as the random.org are simply not viable ..there is definitely inconsistency against real spins ..
Simply click on step and import spins ..ayk kindly did this feature for me
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: clivetwo on Jan 18, 01:48 PM 2019
For the second system, do you rebet on new repeaters as they come in?
For example

36
12
8
36 bet 35 and 1?
28
30
23
11
10
9
10 now bet 9 and 11?
 Thanks BW
Yes I do
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: Bigbroben on Jan 18, 02:03 PM 2019
For how many spin?
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: buffalowizard on Jan 18, 02:08 PM 2019
Yes I do

Thanks clive. I prefer this one as it's only 2 number bet and this gives greater scope for MM. Has decent hit rate in my initial testings too. How long you played this one for? Also, do you use a standard up-as-you-lose 2 number progression.? Cheers
Title: Re: Vaddis Holy Grail
Post by: buffalowizard on Jan 18, 03:40 PM 2019
Hi, Guys, this is my progression not a very good one but seems to work for me, as you can see from my winnings I have only once gon past 6 spins and that was to spin 8.8

Someone also asked what other systems I use well this system relates a lot to this thread and I urge you to try it if you don't already do so.

Siple just wait for a repeater then bet the next number below and the next number up just 2 numbers unless there are more than one repeat in the marquee and you want to bet on more numbers.

For example, 19 10 35 16 19 comes in bet 18 and 20. this works as good as the other system.


Spin Bet    Spots   Profit   Bankroll               
1     5       5            155       25           WINS   
2     5       5            130       50         £130.00         
3     5       5            105       75         £12.00         
4     5       5              80             100         £55.00         
5     5       5              55             125         £130.00         
6     5       5              30             150         £55.00         
7     5       5                5             175         £130.00         
8     6       5              11             205         £130.00         
9     7       5              12             240         £155.00         
10     8       5                8             280         £155.00         
11     10       5              30             330         £130.00         
12     11       5              11             385         £105.00         
13     13       5              18             450         £55.00         
14     15       5              15             525         £130.00         
15     17       5                2             610         £30.00         
16     20       5              10             710               
17     23       5                3             825               
18     27       5              12             960               
19     31       5                1             1115               
20     36       5                1             1295     TOTAL PROFIT            
21     42       5                7             1505        £1,402.00

Two last points. Do you bet a number that hits for a third time or ignore it?
13
32
13, bet 12/14
22
32, bet 31/33
27
13 do you get 12/14 again here?

Also, do you include zero, so if it hits twice you back 1/36? Thanks